Vincent Jackson not likely to be a Viking? (1 Viewer)

[lazyike]

While Ziggy Wolf has gone after free agents like Jared Allen and Favre and has shown he is willing to spend quite a bit on these guys some local sports gurus think that they won't pursue Jackson. And in the words of of Sid Hartmann he's just a "bad guy" to have around. The Vikings also have a ridiculous Metodome lease that makes the Vikings one of the least profitable NFL teams. So, they rank near the bottom in value and income and with over 6 free agents, they would demand too much next year if the Vikings pay what it would take to get Jackson. Yes there is definetly a need but many would be surprised if they try to remedy their WR woes with Jackson.

 

[FavreCo]

The Star Tribune reports there hasn't been much information that has leaked out this weekend in terms of WR Vincent Jackson-to-the Vikings talks, but it appears the discussions are definitely alive and well. While we don't know specifics of the negotiations, the Vikings and Washington remain the two leading candidates to acquire the disgruntled wide receiver from San Diego. Keep in mind, however, that the Chargers are not obligated to trade the restricted free agent and could decide to let him sit out and thus get a third-round compensatory pick when he eventually does walk. If Jackson is going to land in Minnesota -- and it needs to happen before Wednesday because at that point Jackson would go from serving a four-game suspension to a six-game suspension -- it almost certainly is going to be for a one-year contract. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s) and Jackson has been hoping for more money under terms of a one-year deal. Jackson, though, lacks all leverage in this situation and would be wise to take what he can get for this season if he wants to play.

That's cheap for a WR of his caliber. Then he can run screaming after Lord Favre retires and the team goes to ####.

 

[Cassius]

this is definitely worth a new thread.

 

[lazyike]

Thats interesting as I have heard it would take 9 million to sign Jackson.

 

[jestertj]

While Ziggy Wolf has gone after free agents like Jared Allen and Favre and has shown he is willing to spend quite a bit on these guys some local sports gurus think that they won't pursue Jackson. And in the words of of Sid Hartmann he's just a "bad guy" to have around. The Vikings also have a ridiculous Metodome lease that makes the Vikings one of the least profitable NFL teams. So, they rank near the bottom in value and income and with over 6 free agents, they would demand too much next year if the Vikings pay what it would take to get Jackson. Yes there is definetly a need but many would be surprised if they try to remedy their WR woes with Jackson.

Any thread that involves these words should just be shut down.

 

[lazyike]

The Star Tribune reports there hasn't been much information that has leaked out this weekend in terms of WR Vincent Jackson-to-the Vikings talks, but it appears the discussions are definitely alive and well. While we don't know specifics of the negotiations, the Vikings and Washington remain the two leading candidates to acquire the disgruntled wide receiver from San Diego. Keep in mind, however, that the Chargers are not obligated to trade the restricted free agent and could decide to let him sit out and thus get a third-round compensatory pick when he eventually does walk. If Jackson is going to land in Minnesota -- and it needs to happen before Wednesday because at that point Jackson would go from serving a four-game suspension to a six-game suspension -- it almost certainly is going to be for a one-year contract. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s) and Jackson has been hoping for more money under terms of a one-year deal. Jackson, though, lacks all leverage in this situation and would be wise to take what he can get for this season if he wants to play.

That's cheap for a WR of his caliber. Then he can run screaming after Lord Favre retires and the team goes to ####.

Seems to me if Jackson was willing to take 4-6 mil he'd be signed already.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

The Star Tribune reports there hasn't been much information that has leaked out this weekend in terms of WR Vincent Jackson-to-the Vikings talks, but it appears the discussions are definitely alive and well. While we don't know specifics of the negotiations, the Vikings and Washington remain the two leading candidates to acquire the disgruntled wide receiver from San Diego. Keep in mind, however, that the Chargers are not obligated to trade the restricted free agent and could decide to let him sit out and thus get a third-round compensatory pick when he eventually does walk. If Jackson is going to land in Minnesota -- and it needs to happen before Wednesday because at that point Jackson would go from serving a four-game suspension to a six-game suspension -- it almost certainly is going to be for a one-year contract. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s) and Jackson has been hoping for more money under terms of a one-year deal. Jackson, though, lacks all leverage in this situation and would be wise to take what he can get for this season if he wants to play.

That's cheap for a WR of his caliber. Then he can run screaming after Lord Favre retires and the team goes to ####.

Seems to me if Jackson was willing to take 4-6 mil he'd be signed already.

He was offered $3.3M and told to "take it or leave it". Obviously, $6M would be nearly twice his current offer. Hard to say how much more it would take for him to play.

 

[Breesisdaman]

My money is on the Snyder pulling this off for the Skins perhaps with that rumored 3 way trade with the Jets. I would feel much better having McNabb Qb VJax than Farve at this point.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

My money is on the Snyder pulling this off for the Skins perhaps with that rumored 3 way trade with the Jets. I would feel much better having McNabb Qb VJax than Farve at this point.

I'm thinking the Redskins is the move here too. They're also (perpetually?) in win-now mode, and the NFC East looks really weak, so the Redskins have a legitimate chance to take the division and do some real damage in the playoffs. But good defenses will be able to gameplan against Cooley and Moss come playoff time, they need another weapon on the outside, Galloway/Armstrong etc aren't good enough.

 

[nysportsfan]

My money is on the Snyder pulling this off for the Skins perhaps with that rumored 3 way trade with the Jets. I would feel much better having McNabb Qb VJax than Farve at this point.

Where do the Jets fit in? not meant to be sarcastic, but I am curious.

 

[geoff8695]

My money is on the Snyder pulling this off for the Skins perhaps with that rumored 3 way trade with the Jets. I would feel much better having McNabb Qb VJax than Farve at this point.

Where do the Jets fit in? not meant to be sarcastic, but I am curious.

Albert Haynesworth from Washington to replace injured Kris Jenkins who is out for the season. Just an interesting rumor though.

 

[Breesisdaman]

My money is on the Snyder pulling this off for the Skins perhaps with that rumored 3 way trade with the Jets. I would feel much better having McNabb Qb VJax than Farve at this point.

Where do the Jets fit in? not meant to be sarcastic, but I am curious.

Albert Haynesworth from Washington to replace injured Kris Jenkins who is out for the season. Just an interesting rumor though.

The Skins dont have picks to send the Chargers but they do have big Albert Haynesworth who the Jets want and could be willing to send picks to the Chargers in order to send Vjax back to Washington. So far just a very interesting rumor than has some possible legitimacy.

 

[Gopher State]

Jackson rumor mill is refueled

With the Vikings receiving corps hurting, speculation on the troubled San Diego receiver heats up.

By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune

Harvin aggravates hip injury, will have MRI

Percy Harvin either hasn't been paying attention to all the Vincent Jackson rumors and speculation, or he made a shrewd sales pitch to Vikings brass.

After the Vikings wide receiver corps struggled again in a 14-10 loss to the Miami Dolphins, Harvin was asked about Sidney Rice's noticeable absence from the passing game.

"We're running basically the same plays," Harvin said. "It's just sometimes when you have a 6-5 receiver you can just throw it up to him -- whether he's covered or not -- and he can make a play. From that standpoint, we won't be able to fix that or find another receiver to replace him. We just have to come up with different schemes to try and get people open."

Or perhaps they'll add the 6-5 Jackson to the group. Vikings officials have been in discussions about whether to pursue the embattled but talented San Diego Chargers receiver as soon as Sunday evening.

The Vikings have been at the center of the Jackson rumor mill the past few weeks, and Sunday's performance might prove to be the tipping point.

Rice is sidelined for at least half the season after having hip surgery. Harvin said he is scheduled to have an MRI on his injured hip on Monday. Bernard Berrian has been nonexistent through two games.

The Vikings might feel no choice but to make a hard push to trade for Jackson, who is serving a four-game suspension.

"It's not for me to decide," quarterback Brett Favre said after throwing three interceptions. "I've heard the talk just like everyone else. I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone else: you know as much as I know. All I know is we got to get better with the guys we have in the room. I can't speak for other guys that are not here."

Jackson's suspension ends after four games if he's traded by 3 p.m. Wednesday. If not, he must sit out six games.

According to ESPN, the Vikings are considering offering Jackson, a restricted free agent, a one-year deal worth between $4 million and $6 million with a guarantee that the team will not franchise him next offseason. However, earlier reports placed that figure in the $7 million to $9 million range.

ESPN reported that Jackson wants a contract that averages $9.5 million per season with $30 million in guarantees. The report said that if the Vikings agree to that amount, the Chargers would ask for two draft picks, one being at least a second-rounder.

It seems unlikely that the Vikings would be willing to offer Jackson a long-term deal because they have players already in line for extensions, including Rice. And Jackson's off-the-field issues -- his suspension stems from two drunken-driving arrests -- bring risk.

The Vikings have even more cause for concern now with Harvin's hip injury, which was described as a bruise last week. Harvin aggravated the injury Sunday when he got hit by a helmet while blocking for Adrian Peterson in the second quarter.

Harvin was on the field for only 11 plays in the second half, most of them late in the fourth quarter with the game on the line. He said his hip "grabs" when he tries to run full speed or stop and go.

"We knew coming into the game that it was going to get tight," he said. "Just sitting on the sideline for a while my hip kept tightening up and it was hard to get it loose. When it came to the fourth quarter, my adrenaline got rushing a little bit so I kind of forced my way back onto the field."

Can't see Jackson going to Washington, why would the Chargers want to help the Jets? They both think their SB teams and both have to fight it out to get there. Minny is the front runner, but I think the sleeper is the the RAMS. MN has the money and the picks to make it happen, now we see if they do.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Jackson rumor mill is refueledWith the Vikings receiving corps hurting, speculation on the troubled San Diego receiver heats up.By CHIP SCOGGINS, Star Tribune Harvin aggravates hip injury, will have MRI Percy Harvin either hasn't been paying attention to all the Vincent Jackson rumors and speculation, or he made a shrewd sales pitch to Vikings brass.After the Vikings wide receiver corps struggled again in a 14-10 loss to the Miami Dolphins, Harvin was asked about Sidney Rice's noticeable absence from the passing game."We're running basically the same plays," Harvin said. "It's just sometimes when you have a 6-5 receiver you can just throw it up to him -- whether he's covered or not -- and he can make a play. From that standpoint, we won't be able to fix that or find another receiver to replace him. We just have to come up with different schemes to try and get people open."Or perhaps they'll add the 6-5 Jackson to the group. Vikings officials have been in discussions about whether to pursue the embattled but talented San Diego Chargers receiver as soon as Sunday evening.The Vikings have been at the center of the Jackson rumor mill the past few weeks, and Sunday's performance might prove to be the tipping point.Rice is sidelined for at least half the season after having hip surgery. Harvin said he is scheduled to have an MRI on his injured hip on Monday. Bernard Berrian has been nonexistent through two games.The Vikings might feel no choice but to make a hard push to trade for Jackson, who is serving a four-game suspension."It's not for me to decide," quarterback Brett Favre said after throwing three interceptions. "I've heard the talk just like everyone else. I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone else: you know as much as I know. All I know is we got to get better with the guys we have in the room. I can't speak for other guys that are not here."Jackson's suspension ends after four games if he's traded by 3 p.m. Wednesday. If not, he must sit out six games.According to ESPN, the Vikings are considering offering Jackson, a restricted free agent, a one-year deal worth between $4 million and $6 million with a guarantee that the team will not franchise him next offseason. However, earlier reports placed that figure in the $7 million to $9 million range.ESPN reported that Jackson wants a contract that averages $9.5 million per season with $30 million in guarantees. The report said that if the Vikings agree to that amount, the Chargers would ask for two draft picks, one being at least a second-rounder.It seems unlikely that the Vikings would be willing to offer Jackson a long-term deal because they have players already in line for extensions, including Rice. And Jackson's off-the-field issues -- his suspension stems from two drunken-driving arrests -- bring risk.The Vikings have even more cause for concern now with Harvin's hip injury, which was described as a bruise last week. Harvin aggravated the injury Sunday when he got hit by a helmet while blocking for Adrian Peterson in the second quarter.Harvin was on the field for only 11 plays in the second half, most of them late in the fourth quarter with the game on the line. He said his hip "grabs" when he tries to run full speed or stop and go."We knew coming into the game that it was going to get tight," he said. "Just sitting on the sideline for a while my hip kept tightening up and it was hard to get it loose. When it came to the fourth quarter, my adrenaline got rushing a little bit so I kind of forced my way back onto the field."Can't see Jackson going to Washington, why would the Chargers want to help the Jets? They both think their SB teams and both have to fight it out to get there. Minny is the front runner, but I think the sleeper is the the RAMS. MN has the money and the picks to make it happen, now we see if they do.

Jets - Antonio Cromartie was gained in a trade with the Chargers. It happens

 

[thehornet]

any news here?

 

[CrossEyed]

any news here?

Don't worry, the minute it happens there will be 6 new threads about it.

 

[Polar Dude]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

 

[thehornet]

any chance the skins step in and offer up something?

 

[Polar Dude]

Jets - Antonio Cromartie was gained in a trade with the Chargers. It happens

It's a decent point but an entirely different situation. The Chargers didn't feel like the Jets would actually benefit from the addition of Cromartie.

 

[geoff8695]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

 

[Keepers]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

No one is going to give up a 2nd rounder for him.

 

[Polar Dude]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

I'm aware of that. Obviously a 2nd-rounder has more value than a late 3rd. A late 3rd and having Jackson stay home doesn't have much more value than a mid-3rd though. It will take a 2nd to get VJax from San Diego.

 

[geoff8695]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

No one is going to give up a 2nd rounder for him.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 

[Polar Dude]

[No one is going to give up a 2nd rounder for him.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

Me neither.

 

[geoff8695]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

I'm aware of that. Obviously a 2nd-rounder has more value than a late 3rd. A late 3rd and having Jackson stay home doesn't have much more value than a mid-3rd though. It will take a 2nd to get VJax from San Diego.

Jackson won't be staying home though. So it's a possible 3rd/4th compensatory pick, or accept the offer from the highest bidder. I don't think SD gains anything by not trading him. It sounds like VJ won't even be coming back from week 10 on this season, and you can forget about 2011 and beyond. The rift between VJ and the Chargers is irreparable at this point. AJ added insult to injury when he reduced the tender from 3.2 mil to ~600k, and prevented VJ from being traded on the Sept. 4th deadline because the Chargers demanded too much compensation.Unless SD were to fire AJ, I can't imagine a scenario in which Jackson will ever play for them again.

 

[Gr00vus]

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on that network's pregame show that this could get done if Jackson is willing to take a one-year deal for $4 to $6 million and the Chargers are willing to take a third-round pick. It's likely, though, that the Chargers have been hoping for a higher-pick(s)

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

I'm aware of that. Obviously a 2nd-rounder has more value than a late 3rd. A late 3rd and having Jackson stay home doesn't have much more value than a mid-3rd though. It will take a 2nd to get VJax from San Diego.

Jackson won't be staying home though. So it's a possible 3rd/4th compensatory pick, or accept the offer from the highest bidder. I don't think SD gains anything by not trading him. It sounds like VJ won't even be coming back from week 10 on this season, and you can forget about 2011 and beyond. The rift between VJ and the Chargers is irreparable at this point. AJ added insult to injury when he reduced the tender from 3.2 mil to ~600k, and prevented VJ from being traded on the Sept. 4th deadline because the Chargers demanded too much compensation.Unless SD were to fire AJ, I can't imagine a scenario in which Jackson will ever play for them again.

He means not playing this year.

 

[geoff8695]

The Chargers believe they will get a 3rd rounder in compensation if he leaves via free agency. I doubt they would trade him away to another team for that instead of just letting him rot for a year and get the same package.

Compensatory picks are tacked onto the end of a round, so when you say 3rd rounder it's more like a high 4th round pick. And there's no guarantee that it will be a 3rd rounder, that's just best case scenario. Therefore, if AJ can get a 2nd rounder or a couple of draft picks it's probably worth taking.

I'm aware of that. Obviously a 2nd-rounder has more value than a late 3rd. A late 3rd and having Jackson stay home doesn't have much more value than a mid-3rd though. It will take a 2nd to get VJax from San Diego.

Jackson won't be staying home though. So it's a possible 3rd/4th compensatory pick, or accept the offer from the highest bidder. I don't think SD gains anything by not trading him. It sounds like VJ won't even be coming back from week 10 on this season, and you can forget about 2011 and beyond. The rift between VJ and the Chargers is irreparable at this point. AJ added insult to injury when he reduced the tender from 3.2 mil to ~600k, and prevented VJ from being traded on the Sept. 4th deadline because the Chargers demanded too much compensation.Unless SD were to fire AJ, I can't imagine a scenario in which Jackson will ever play for them again.

He means not playing this year.

DOH! My bad

 

[Riffraff]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.

Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

 

[Abrantes]

I just want this whole business to be done with. Every few days, it's "the Rams could really use V-Jax" all over again. I agree wholeheartedly, but just having a definite conclusion would be nice.

 

[fruity pebbles]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

plus there's no guarantee that the comp pick will even be a 3rd rounder. A bird in the hand...

 

[geoff8695]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

plus there's no guarantee that the comp pick will even be a 3rd rounder. A bird in the hand...

If they don't trade him by this Wednesday the price will start going down to the point that a trade isn't any better than a "potential" 3rd or 4th round compensation pick anyways. Either way, if a 3rd round pick in 2011 is the best they can do, then it's worth doing from SD's point of view. However, I get the feeling that AJ is setting the bar pretty high perhaps even higher than a 2nd rounder. I'ld really love to know what the offer was on Sept. 4th that AJ shot down.

 

[Gr00vus]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

plus there's no guarantee that the comp pick will even be a 3rd rounder. A bird in the hand...

If they don't trade him by this Wednesday the price will start going down to the point that a trade isn't any better than a "potential" 3rd or 4th round compensation pick anyways. Either way, if a 3rd round pick in 2011 is the best they can do, then it's worth doing from SD's point of view. However, I get the feeling that AJ is setting the bar pretty high perhaps even higher than a 2nd rounder. I'ld really love to know what the offer was on Sept. 4th that AJ shot down.

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

 

[Polar Dude]

I'ld really love to know what the offer was on Sept. 4th that AJ shot down.

The rumor mill says it was a 3rd.

 

[texasbirdfan]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.

Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

plus there's no guarantee that the comp pick will even be a 3rd rounder. A bird in the hand...

If they don't trade him by this Wednesday the price will start going down to the point that a trade isn't any better than a "potential" 3rd or 4th round compensation pick anyways. Either way, if a 3rd round pick in 2011 is the best they can do, then it's worth doing from SD's point of view. However, I get the feeling that AJ is setting the bar pretty high perhaps even higher than a 2nd rounder.

I'ld really love to know what the offer was on Sept. 4th that AJ shot down.

does it matter? he plays with a different deck than the other GM's. One of the reasons daddy Archie steered Eli to NY or more important away from the San Diego front office

 

[geoff8695]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.

Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

plus there's no guarantee that the comp pick will even be a 3rd rounder. A bird in the hand...

If they don't trade him by this Wednesday the price will start going down to the point that a trade isn't any better than a "potential" 3rd or 4th round compensation pick anyways. Either way, if a 3rd round pick in 2011 is the best they can do, then it's worth doing from SD's point of view. However, I get the feeling that AJ is setting the bar pretty high perhaps even higher than a 2nd rounder.

I'ld really love to know what the offer was on Sept. 4th that AJ shot down.

does it matter? he plays with a different deck than the other GM's. One of the reasons daddy Archie steered Eli to NY or more important away from the San Diego front office

It matters from the standpoint of whether or not what he is asking for could be so high that we can all stop worrying about it because it won't happen. If he turned down a 2nd rounder, then I won't even waste anymore time speculating in these types of threads. If he turned down a 3rd rounder, then I would say that it's still possible something happens.

 

[identikit]

per the infamous Hacksaw from San Diego:

ESPN reporting Vikings officials continued meetings about Vincent Jackson into afternoon...may be negotiating with agent at this hour.

 

[az_prof]

But what if they do get a 3rd as a compensatory pick? Say Jackson is the missing piece to getting Minny back into the Super Bowl or at least the NFC Championship. The pick would be at the very end of the round anyways, just like the comp pick. They gain nearly nothing.Now if it were The Rams' 3rd round pick, that would be more enticing.

But the thing is the compensatory pick wouldnt be until the 2012 draft. Any third in this years draft is worth a good deal more.

plus there's no guarantee that the comp pick will even be a 3rd rounder. A bird in the hand...

If they don't trade him by this Wednesday the price will start going down to the point that a trade isn't any better than a "potential" 3rd or 4th round compensation pick anyways. Either way, if a 3rd round pick in 2011 is the best they can do, then it's worth doing from SD's point of view. However, I get the feeling that AJ is setting the bar pretty high perhaps even higher than a 2nd rounder. I'ld really love to know what the offer was on Sept. 4th that AJ shot down.

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

 

[nysportsfan]

My money is on the Snyder pulling this off for the Skins perhaps with that rumored 3 way trade with the Jets. I would feel much better having McNabb Qb VJax than Farve at this point.

Where do the Jets fit in? not meant to be sarcastic, but I am curious.

Albert Haynesworth from Washington to replace injured Kris Jenkins who is out for the season. Just an interesting rumor though.

The Skins dont have picks to send the Chargers but they do have big Albert Haynesworth who the Jets want and could be willing to send picks to the Chargers in order to send Vjax back to Washington. So far just a very interesting rumor than has some possible legitimacy.

Another non-sarcastic question, but why would Haynesworth ply for the Jets in a similar defensive scheme to the one he is currently in? What about the Jets in a 3-4 makes it attractive? The Jets have a couple really underrated and productive guys in Pouha and DeVito, I'm not sure they want to give up anything signifcant for a disgruntled Haynesworth.

 

[Gr00vus]

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

I guess we'll find out in the next couple of days.

 

[bweiser]

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

I guess we'll find out in the next couple of days.

Yeah, I'm guessing he's not laying on a beach somewhere sipping pina coladas. Sure he's working out. He won' be in sync with favre or whoever right away, but he just has to run routes and catch a football (granted, favre probably has a few extra MPH on his his fastballs than philip rivers).

 

[HenryMuto]

 

[az_prof]

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

I guess we'll find out in the next couple of days.

We will. The fact that a trade hasn't happened already, however, suggests that his value is less than what the Charger's want it to be.

 

[Native]

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Vincent Jackson is a "long shot" to be traded prior to Wednesday's NFL-mandated deadline.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39278347/ns/...ts-player_news/

At least four teams have interest in Jackson, but it appears the roadblocks of trade compensation as well as a contractual agreement are just too large for the Vikings, Rams, or any other club to overcome. We wouldn't drop V-Jax in fantasy leagues just yet, but with each day the odds of him playing a single snap in 2010 go down. Chargers GM A.J. Smith isn't budging.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

 

[Wreckincrew]

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

I guess we'll find out in the next couple of days.

We will. The fact that a trade hasn't happened already, however, suggests that his value is less than what the Charger's want it to be.

Or the Chargers have 2+ teams bidding against each other and they are using the deadline to maximize the compensation.

 

[az_prof]

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

I guess we'll find out in the next couple of days.

We will. The fact that a trade hasn't happened already, however, suggests that his value is less than what the Charger's want it to be.

Or the Chargers have 2+ teams bidding against each other and they are using the deadline to maximize the compensation.

Maybe. But if I were a VJax owner I would trade him for a bag of chips about now...while there are still one or two people who want him more than a bag of chips.

 

[Deaddawg]

I picked him up late in the draft. So relatively small investment. Our waivers don't run till Thursday morning. If he isn't traded by the dead line, I am dropping him and picking up someone else. It was worth holding him if he got traded and I think most feel the same way. Sounds like AJ is willing to let this ride out as it is and take his 3 round compensatory pick. Sad really but this hurts both parties. /sigh

 

[bulger2holt]

Why wouldn't the Rams send a 3rd for him ? Plus, they have one of the wealthiest owners too. Bradford to Vjax and Sjax would rule.

 

[bweiser]

I think they want a 2nd. That seems to be the reasonable going rate for a player like Jackson.

He is NOT worth a second round pick for 12 games. He is a two time DUI convict and the next suspension will be even longer. He is clearly not the most team orientated player. He has had one superior season out of four. I wouldn't offer more than a third round pick. How good of shape will be in when he comes back in week 5? When did he last practice with any team? He will have to learn his new team's offense and get to know his new QB.

I guess we'll find out in the next couple of days.

We will. The fact that a trade hasn't happened already, however, suggests that his value is less than what the Charger's want it to be.

Or the Chargers have 2+ teams bidding against each other and they are using the deadline to maximize the compensation.

This, plus there are two teams playing tonight. Imagine if Colston got hurt. The Saints could sure use VJ if that happened. There's no urgency to doing a deal before 3:59 p.m. Wednesday (or whatever the deadline is).

 

[Ten Yard Fight]

VJAX is a Viking...