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I think that says it all.
I think an announcement that Carr got cut would get mostly the same reaction.I think that says it all.
Do you really think it's a health issue? I think it has more to do with a 43 year old QB literally getting off his couch in Long Island, flying to Carolina and five days later winning a game & looking like a better QB than David Carr has all season with an entire offseason of learning & playing in the same offense.
I disagree to an extent. If it were Jake nursing a bad back, he would be starting. But Carr is still pretty much unproven, and has looked uneven in the games he has been in. With 3 days of practice, Testaverde looked more comfortable back there than Carr. I think Fox is giving Vinny a chance to take the job. If he plays well and somehow beats the Colts (or keeps it competitive), I don't think we will see Carr back on the field. Of course, we all need to be reminded that Vinny hasn't exactly played well in the last couple of seasons that he started.
I think this is one of those times where stats can be mis-leading. Look at the QB's the Colts have faced so far:BreesV. YoungSchaub (without A. Johnson)CutlerGarciaGarrard/GrayI'm not saying that Vinnie is a top 10 QB but neither are any of these if you go by Avg. Passing yards per game. Couple that with the fact that many teams will try to play a ball control offense against them and their passing defense stats look good.IMHO - they may really be just middle of the pack vs the pass.
I don't think that anyone is talking about Vinny as a viable fantasy QB. But he was able to get the ball to Steve Smith, something Carr seemed to have trouble doing. And again, we are comparing Vinny to Carr, not Vinny to the rest of the NFL QB's. For Carolina's purposes and for owners of SS, Vinny looks to be the better option.
I disagree. Carr is proven, proven as a poor QB. Short of a miracle worker sports psychologist, I don't think there's any way to fix this guy.
Unproven in Carolina. But yes, given what I have seen of him here, I agree with you. I've mentioned it before, but he looks horrible in the pocket. When he injured his back, he turned completely around with his back to the line of scrimmage to avoid the rush. Sometimes he leaves the pocket too early, and almost all the time his vision down field is limited when he feels even a bit of pressure. I'm assuming he has been this way for years in Houston.
I don't know if he's worse than Shuler. That's a real tough call. Shuler had the added pressure of being the savior for the Skins, a major franchise. I remember I was in college at DC at the time, and they had already starting carving his bust for Canton the day after the draft.
He was courageous at first, but soon developed a tic that caused him to look for the pressure. Once you're looking the pressure instead of the play you're about to make, you're done, no matter how good your tools are... It has gotten so bad that Carr feels/sees pressure when it's not there. He almost never feels at ease enough in the pocket to let any plays develop downfield. His instincts once the pressure does come are "Danger Will Robinson Danger" instead of "Ill just have to find another way to beat you on this play".And dont think I'm an avowed Carr basher. I actually dealt for him in the offseason in 2006 in two dynasty leagues after Kubiak and the Texans decided to give him the big bonus and pass on VY in the draft. I mean, Kubiak made a QB out of Jake freakin Plummer! Carr gave Kubiak a lot more to work with than Plummer did... and failed. It was clear pretty early on in the 2006 season that Carr's weakness had become ingrained in him, and had morphed from "problem that needs fixing" to "fatal flaw" (see: Rex Grossman)Sad story that Carr has amounted to so little. He makes Joey Harrington look like a scrappy fighter. Most of the blame goes to Carr himself, but blood is also on the hands of Charlie Casserly and Chris Palmer among others.
That's because Joey Harrington IS a scrappy fighter.
4th rounder from New England Patritos?Sleeper 43 said:
jchapman70 said:
- but only after getting help from a sports psychologist, as Bloom suggested Carr should do. Personally, I think Harrington has looked pretty good given he's playing behind a disintegrating Atlanta OL (last week he went 12/18 for 128, 0 and 0 in relief of Leftwich), but I know I'm in the minority there. Anyway, I think Carr should ask Harrington for the name of Harrington's sports psychologist because he is clearly scarred after his years getting spammed every other play while in Houston. My .02. Oh, and Vinny is definitely the superior option for the Panthers at this juncture.
I agree with Bloom here. Carr is a great person. He's always been polite, appreciative of his position and his place in the leauge, etc but when it comes down to it, his mentality is far from the first guy to come to practice and the last guy to leave. His lack of being a team leader and failure to be the glue that brings a team together has been his downfall in the league based on the expectations that come from being a top draft pick. He just hasn't produced like a top pick should. He lasted longer than Tim Couch though.Sigmund Bloom said:
yeah, and?verySleeper 43 said:
And ... it isn't back to the good ol days with Delhomme again.Steve is still going to experience erratic QB play. Vinny puts some touch on a TD pass and hes a blessing all the sudden.Expect more of the same, no need for excitement. Make sense?yeah, and?verySleeper 43 said:
Don't understand why people are hating on the excitement aroud Vinny starting. It's obvious he can get the ball to Steve more than Carr. Carr stuggled getting the ball to him during the two games he was at QB. This is because he has trouble reading defenses. Vinny has been doing this forever and knows where to find #89. And don't give me any of this he only caught one pass for 69 yards. Smittee caught 10 passes from Vinnie, and they won. Can we honestly say that Carr can complete 10 passes to #89 and lead the team to a victory? The offense looks a lot better with Vinny, and I'm not saying they will beat the Colts, but he does give them a better chance to be competitive. Just an opinion from a Panther Homer.And ... it isn't back to the good ol days with Delhomme again.Steve is still going to experience erratic QB play. Vinny puts some touch on a TD pass and hes a blessing all the sudden.Expect more of the same, no need for excitement. Make sense?yeah, and?verySleeper 43 said:
no, Vinny was better at getting the ball to Smith than Carr ever was, make sense?And ... it isn't back to the good ol days with Delhomme again.Steve is still going to experience erratic QB play. Vinny puts some touch on a TD pass and hes a blessing all the sudden.Expect more of the same, no need for excitement. Make sense?yeah, and?verySleeper 43 said:
I saw that, i didnt think the question(which i dont recall) was that bad, but i felt bad for Carter after seeing Smith's reaction.Bermuda_Chub said:
Hopefully Vinny can stay upright until Week 17. 
He's been in the league long enough to "prove" himself. He's just not doing it.
