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VJax to be dealt? (1 Viewer)

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Does Smith have another deal up his sleeve?

By Michael Lombardo

SDBoltReport.com

Posted May 12, 2008

A.J. Smith is one of the most aggressive general managers in the NFL, so don’t believe for a second that his draft-day trade with the Patriots is the only deal he’s been working on this offseason. Team expert Michael Lombardo breaks down another potential deal, one that would pay short- and long-term dividends for the franchise.

What’s the proposed deal?

Trade wide receiver Vincent Jackson for a second-round pick in the 2009 draft. Teams such as the Miami Dolphins, Baltimore Ravens, Tennessee Titans, Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings would all be expected entrants in the bidding for the 6-foot-5, 241-pound receiver.

Why deal Jackson?

The Chargers have a logjam at receiver caused by the return of Eric Parker and the development of Buster Davis and Legedu Naanee. As the roster stands now, Davis would likely be the No. 4 receiver one year after being tabbed with a first-round pick. Naanee would be the No. 5 receiver and would be inactive on most game days.

The reason for moving Jackson instead of Parker, Davis or Naanee is that Jackson carries the most trade value. His value is at an all-time high after he averaged 100 yards per game in three playoff contests. However, that productivity came when Antonio Gates rendered ineffective by a toe injury. Jackson has been known to lose focus and disappear for long stretches in games; it remains to be seen if he can maintain his postseason efficiency as the No. 3 option in the passing game.

What are the short-term payoffs?

The Chargers receiving rotation falls into a natural order with Jackson out of the picture. Chris Chambers is still the top target while Parker returns to his old role as the No. 2 receiver. Parker has been productive in that role, totaling at least 47 catches and 650 yards every year between 2004-2006. Jackson failed to meet either of those numbers as the No. 2 last season.

Behind the starters, Davis would play out of the slot and Naanee would continue to develop as the No. 4. Kassim Osgood can drop no lower than No. 5 because he must be active on game days to contribute on special teams. This leaves the No. 6 slot open for Malcom Floyd, a talented developmental project the Bolts don't want to give up on yet.

What are the long-term benefits?

Firstly, the team recoups the second-round pick it traded away to land FB Jacob Hester. With the Chargers expecting two compensatory picks next year, that would give Smith at least nine selections to work with. That could prove crucial just one year before several core players come up for free agency.

Speaking of the possible mass exodus in 2009, dealing Jackson would alleviate a big contract from Smith’s to-do list. By not having to commit money to a new deal for Jackson, Smith can concentrate on players like Shawne Merriman, Philip Rivers and Marcus McNeill.

Are there any drawbacks?

The Chargers would hate to give up on a player of Jackson’s ability, especially after spending three years grooming him. He has the size of a tight end; yet his ability to drop his hips and create separation downfield is on par with the top receivers in the game. He is a dynamite target in the red zone and along the sidelines, especially on third down. Additionally, he boasts big-play ability, as evidenced by average of 16 yards per reception.

Dealing Jackson is especially scary because he played at a Div. II college and is only 25 years old. His best football may still be ahead of him and he could turn out to be a classier version of Terrell Owens.

Deal or no deal?

All signs point to no deal for the time being. Smith is a firm believer in competition and hopes his overloaded receiving corps brings out the best in everybody. He is determined to surround Rivers with as many weapons as possible as Rivers tries to join the ranks of draft classmates Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning.

Jackson could still be moved, especially if a team loses a big receiver in the preseason and gets desperate for a replacement. Barring a blow-away offer, however, expect the Chargers to stand pat. Smith would rather cut a good receiver at the end of camp than wind up without one at the end of the regular season.

....Most Charger fans seem to think this won't happen but thought I'd post it anyway....

 
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I dont know if I'd call this a rumor as much as someone saying it would make sense for Smith to put Jackson on the trade market.

Seeing as Smith wouldn't deal Turner last year in the name of depth, it's hard to see him dealing Jackson, unless Parker really is completely back, and Naanee and Davis are both developing well enough to look like future starters. Apparently Malcom Floyd had a terrific minicamp, so you can't completely count him out either. Another variable is Gates foot, which is not guaranteed to be 100% for the beginning of the season.

Add in that Jackson really did play the best ball of his career in the playoffs (throw it over his head and he has natural hands, whoda thunk it?), and seemed to be getting in a groove with Rivers, so that's yet another reason for them to see what they have before cashing Jackson in for a pick they traded for a backup RB.

An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.

 
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An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
Agreed and Smith's MO has been to lockup young players he's drafted to long term deals and let older vets walk when their looking at a big pay day (although Chambers is already making some decent change). I'd be very surprised if something like this went down since the players that are behind VJax are relatively unproven outside of Parker and starting Parker would be a decent step down from VJax at this point, especially in run blocking (VJax is a beast). Also, as you pointed out Smith's strategy seems to be to keep players despite knowing that they might walk at the end of their deal, D. Edwards, Brees, Turner, etc.
 
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.

In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.

 
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there. He also is a raw but very talented player who has size, speed and leaping ability. I agree that he probably wouldn't net a 2nd rounder but I think his NFL value is much greater than you think it is.
 
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I dont know if I'd call this a rumor as much as someone saying it would make sense for Smith to put Jackson on the trade market.
Right. Lombardo isn't saying he's heard this anywhere, he's just saying that in his own mind if he finds it an interesting possibility to speculate about.
 
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there.
Definitely correct. He's given some of the same blocking assignments that typically go to tight ends.
 
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there.
Definitely correct. He's given some of the same blocking assignments that typically go to tight ends.
Who would give up a second round pick for a blocking WR?
 
Phurfur said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Banger said:
Bizkiteer said:
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there.
Definitely correct. He's given some of the same blocking assignments that typically go to tight ends.
Who would give up a second round pick for a blocking WR?
The Chargers drafted him in the 2nd as a raw, unproven WR from a DivII school. Hard to believe he not worth that still with 2 years left on his rookie contract.
 
Phurfur said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Banger said:
Bizkiteer said:
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there.
Definitely correct. He's given some of the same blocking assignments that typically go to tight ends.
Who would give up a second round pick for a blocking WR?
Amen brother! :thumbup:
 
Phurfur said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Banger said:
Bizkiteer said:
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there.
Definitely correct. He's given some of the same blocking assignments that typically go to tight ends.
Who would give up a second round pick for a blocking WR?
The Chargers drafted him in the 2nd as a raw, unproven WR from a DivII school. Hard to believe he not worth that still with 2 years left on his rookie contract.
When compared to the price tag that other more polished impact type WR's have gone for...uhhh no! Other than his blocking, there is nothing to him. All his physical skills have not shown on the field or let alone consistant enough to warrant a 2nd rounder or any other high pick. I'm not saying he's a bum, but nobody has to game plan around him, so teams aren't going to give up much for him.
 
In 3 seasons he's never caught 42 passes or had 625 receiving yards. I don't see how he would be worth very much in the trading market.

 
Phurfur said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Banger said:
Bizkiteer said:
How he would command a 2nd round price tag or any player of real impact is beyond me. Last I checked, he has done little to nothing in the NFL. All he has going for him at this point is his youth and size. It's just too bad that youth & size doesn't score or stop the scoring of touchdowns by itself.In FF land we like to think more of certain players than they really do in the NFL...Vjax falls into that category IMO.
I think you have it opposite. He probably has more NFL value than he does fantasy value. He's a tremendous blocker which gets you zero fantasy points but it certainly counts a ton in the NFL when you are running the ball 20+ times a game. He's essentially like another TE out there.
Definitely correct. He's given some of the same blocking assignments that typically go to tight ends.
Who would give up a second round pick for a blocking WR?
The Chargers drafted him in the 2nd as a raw, unproven WR from a DivII school. Hard to believe he not worth that still with 2 years left on his rookie contract.
It doesn't work that way besides he is still raw and unproven.
 
this is pointless, VJax is not going to be traded and the only people talking about it are the guy who wrote this article and the people in this thread

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
The age of Chambers is a good point and I don't think it makes much sense to move Jackson to make room for a 29yo Parker either.Lastly, just because it hasn't been mentioned by anyone else, I don't think they'll get rid of their #2 WR when there's still some doubt Gates will be ready for the start of the season.Nothing about this makes much sense.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
You must still be dazed from all the draft work! :lmao: They traded for Chambers and knew exactly what they were getting in him. Matter of fact, the reason they traded for Chambers is that NONE of their other WR's were legit threats on or could stretch the field. All they had before Chambers was complimentary type WR's and showed flash here & there, but were never consistant. Why lock up a WR whose only asset is blocking or can't perform consistantly? A few plays or a game doesn't make a true NFL starter or a player worthy of being locked-up.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
You must still be dazed from all the draft work! :goodposting: They traded for Chambers and knew exactly what they were getting in him. Matter of fact, the reason they traded for Chambers is that NONE of their other WR's were legit threats on or could stretch the field. All they had before Chambers was complimentary type WR's and showed flash here & there, but were never consistant. Why lock up a WR whose only asset is blocking or can't perform consistantly? A few plays or a game doesn't make a true NFL starter or a player worthy of being locked-up.
If he carries over his play from January into the 08 season, Jackson will be worth locking up - I've been one of his biggest critics, but I was very impressed with his playoff efforts.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
You must still be dazed from all the draft work! :goodposting: They traded for Chambers and knew exactly what they were getting in him. Matter of fact, the reason they traded for Chambers is that NONE of their other WR's were legit threats on or could stretch the field. All they had before Chambers was complimentary type WR's and showed flash here & there, but were never consistant. Why lock up a WR whose only asset is blocking or can't perform consistantly? A few plays or a game doesn't make a true NFL starter or a player worthy of being locked-up.
If he carries over his play from January into the 08 season, Jackson will be worth locking up - I've been one of his biggest critics, but I was very impressed with his playoff efforts.
Very erie...it sounds like Marcus Robinson. One good year or partial and then...BAM, lock him up. Then you realize it was only one/partial year.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
You must still be dazed from all the draft work! :lmao: They traded for Chambers and knew exactly what they were getting in him. Matter of fact, the reason they traded for Chambers is that NONE of their other WR's were legit threats on or could stretch the field. All they had before Chambers was complimentary type WR's and showed flash here & there, but were never consistant. Why lock up a WR whose only asset is blocking or can't perform consistantly? A few plays or a game doesn't make a true NFL starter or a player worthy of being locked-up.
If he carries over his play from January into the 08 season, Jackson will be worth locking up - I've been one of his biggest critics, but I was very impressed with his playoff efforts.
Very erie...it sounds like Marcus Robinson. One good year or partial and then...BAM, lock him up. Then you realize it was only one/partial year.
There's good reason to be wary, but I don't think the Chargers can afford to go into 09 with both Chambers and Jackson under contract for only that year. I could MAYBE see reupping Chambers for 2 or 3 more years if he continues to be a difference maker and be on the same page with Rivers - but if they don't do that AND let Jackson test the FA market, well I just hope Davis and Naanee really develop in the next two years.Believe me, I am as skeptical of Jackson as anyone round these parts - but it's not impossible that he really turned the corner in January... I'll be :goodposting: once the season starts to see if he picks up where he left off.
 
I believe Chambers is a legit #1 WR. I don't believe Jackson is or ever will be. Can't see them dealing Jackson with Gates iffy right now. To be honest, I can see dealing him period with this team poised to make a Super Bowl run. If you don't make the run now (with LT still playing at a very high level), it's never going to happen.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
An interesting twist here is that both Jackson and Chambers are set to become FAs after the 09 season, and Chambers is going to be 30 at the beginning of THIS season, so you would think the Bolts would want to lock Jackson up long term and let Chambers walk, not vice versa.
You must still be dazed from all the draft work! :goodposting: They traded for Chambers and knew exactly what they were getting in him. Matter of fact, the reason they traded for Chambers is that NONE of their other WR's were legit threats on or could stretch the field. All they had before Chambers was complimentary type WR's and showed flash here & there, but were never consistant. Why lock up a WR whose only asset is blocking or can't perform consistantly? A few plays or a game doesn't make a true NFL starter or a player worthy of being locked-up.
If he carries over his play from January into the 08 season, Jackson will be worth locking up - I've been one of his biggest critics, but I was very impressed with his playoff efforts.
concur, I was quite down on him too, but he broke out bigtime during the playoffsagainst some stiff competition when the stakes were the highest.I will be extremely interested to see if VJax can build upon this short term success..
 

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