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Volek traded to SD (1 Viewer)
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Doug B
Footballguy
I'm assuming Volek is being brought in to back up Rivers, not to supplant him. SD's existing backup was a pretty green player, IIRC, so Volek should be able to help avoid a meltdown in case of an injury to Rivers.
How is Volek with the SD offense? Does he have a history with any of the Chargers' offensive coaches?
Volek, at one time, had wanted to get moved to a team for which he could start. That didn't seem to work out.
How is Volek with the SD offense? Does he have a history with any of the Chargers' offensive coaches?
Volek, at one time, had wanted to get moved to a team for which he could start. That didn't seem to work out.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He's not getting traded because he's too good to play for the Titans.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Rivers will start as long a heathly. Volek has no chance to start as long as Phil is healthy. Whitehurst is just too green to run a team with division title hopes.
-OZ-
Footballguy
No team would start Volek. If his own team brought in Collins, WTF would anyone consider him startable?This does not affect Rivers AT ALL.The brass couldn't feel confident with the idea of Whitehurst leading them to the playoffs. But, I'm not sure Volek is the guy either. Volek can do two things - hand off to LT, and throw to the big target, in this case, Gates.
Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
No affect on Rivers at all. I am a big follower of the Chargers and this has been rumored since last week before they played Tenn.
SD only had two QBs on the roster with Rivers starting for the first time and a rookie behind him. Not a lot of confidence for the team if one of them goes down. AJ Feeley was not the answer so Volek will probably be the No. 3 guy for now and possibly the No. 2 based on experience. Whitehurst will probably get mop up duty like he did against the Titans this past weekend because he is the future and Volek is not. But I think Volek might be the No. 2 after he picks up the offense based on experience.
Now I am wondering who gets waived to make room on the 53 man roster to make room for a third QB.
SD only had two QBs on the roster with Rivers starting for the first time and a rookie behind him. Not a lot of confidence for the team if one of them goes down. AJ Feeley was not the answer so Volek will probably be the No. 3 guy for now and possibly the No. 2 based on experience. Whitehurst will probably get mop up duty like he did against the Titans this past weekend because he is the future and Volek is not. But I think Volek might be the No. 2 after he picks up the offense based on experience.
Now I am wondering who gets waived to make room on the 53 man roster to make room for a third QB.
Doug B
Footballguy
Volek looked like starter material in late 2004. Has something seriously changed about his game?Kinda reminds of when the Saints signed Todd Bouman as a backup ... most Saints fans thought he stunk, but he had some rock-solid games for the Vikings.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Wow. Oakland can officially start crying now.
my man otis
Footballguy
Anyone recall what the Jets offered for Volek before getting Ramsey? IIRC it was higher than a 5th.
Usual Suspect
Footballguy
This was the slowest trade ever! What, about 3 weeks in the making?
I understand that they didnt' want Volek to give up their secrects to their week 2 oppenent, but would it have really mattered?
I understand that they didnt' want Volek to give up their secrects to their week 2 oppenent, but would it have really mattered?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Great deal for SD.
They have a solid team
but with no legitimate backup RB,
they were playing with fire.
Nice move.
They have a solid team
but with no legitimate backup RB,
they were playing with fire.
Nice move.
Athletic Supporter
Footballguy
Ron_Mexico said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm sure he meant QB instead of RB.Ron_Mexico said:
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Nope. Volek will startDoug B said:
B Maverick
Footballguy
I thought Rivers was the future? and Present?Harry Beanbag said:
Volek is brought in to be the backup in case of injury to Rivers. Nothing more. He can lead a team.Tenn is a poorly run team and what they do shouldnt be read into. They want to show that VY was the best choice so why hold onto a guy that could prove them wrong and be their starter? reach maybe but its a thought i had.Sd reportedly only had 52 people on the roster so no need to cut anyone.
corpcow
Footballguy
This is what surprises me. I would have expected Oakland given the way Brooks has played, and now with the injury. (Unless they have more faith in Walters, but then, they did play Brooks over himAndy Dufresne said:
).Playing time is definitely not the issue. He was always going to be second fiddle to Vince Young in the future, but at least he might have had a chance at playing this season until Vince is ready. (I mean, he's competing with Collins for god's sake). Now he's second fiddle to Rivers who is the present AND future. Maybe he thinks SD will win the Super Bowl and he wants a ring?
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
2004 SeasonGames: 10 Attempts: 357 Completions: 218 Percentage: 61.1 Yards: 2486 TDs: 18 INTs: 10-OZ- said:
Well I dont think he put up nearly 2,500 yards throwing to his TE
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jonessed
Footballguy
I just think he wants out of the Titans organization. If they are willing to trade him I'm sure he is all over it. He becomes a FA soon anyway right? He can pick and choose then.This is what surprises me. I would have expected Oakland given the way Brooks has played, and now with the injury. (Unless they have more faith in Walters, but then, they did play Brooks over himAndy Dufresne said:
David Dodds
Administrator
My take on all of this:
- The owner flexed his muscles on draft day and had to have Vince Young. I still do not believe that Jeff Fisher and Norm Chow (two USC guys) preferred Young over Leinart.
- The owner then told the coaches that he wanted Vince Young to start as soon as possible. They probably said something like..."He is not even close to starter material".
- Meanwhile Billy Volek is working hard to make this his team this season. The owner sees this and does not want a devisive team so he puts in motion the move to get rid of Volek.
- He calls Kerry Collins and asks the one question. Are you willing to come here and mentor Vince Young. Our goal is to get him ready to be the starter THIS SEASON. We do not want you unless you can do this. Desperate to play again Collins says yes.
- Owner moves Volek so there are no hurdles to starting his man.
- Collins is horrible as expected.
- Vince Young will be starting in a few weeks.
- Coaches will be let go at the end of the season after a horrible record.
The worst thing here is this owner could possibly ruin Vince Young. He is not ready. Getting thrust into action could do major harm towards him becoming a good NFL QB in my opinion.
- The owner flexed his muscles on draft day and had to have Vince Young. I still do not believe that Jeff Fisher and Norm Chow (two USC guys) preferred Young over Leinart.
- The owner then told the coaches that he wanted Vince Young to start as soon as possible. They probably said something like..."He is not even close to starter material".
- Meanwhile Billy Volek is working hard to make this his team this season. The owner sees this and does not want a devisive team so he puts in motion the move to get rid of Volek.
- He calls Kerry Collins and asks the one question. Are you willing to come here and mentor Vince Young. Our goal is to get him ready to be the starter THIS SEASON. We do not want you unless you can do this. Desperate to play again Collins says yes.
- Owner moves Volek so there are no hurdles to starting his man.
- Collins is horrible as expected.
- Vince Young will be starting in a few weeks.
- Coaches will be let go at the end of the season after a horrible record.
The worst thing here is this owner could possibly ruin Vince Young. He is not ready. Getting thrust into action could do major harm towards him becoming a good NFL QB in my opinion.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He's actually performed well without billy so far. Not sure how his value changed at all.
Nice conspiracy theory. I don't know for sure, but there are those on Tenn boards claiming inside knowledge that say there was a major, heated falling out between Volek and Chow, and that is what led to Volek's persona non grata status and the signing of Collins.
In the end, Volek was a place-holder just like Collins is. Tenn will be Vince's team, and that was going to happen regardless. Going this route flushed this season completely, but that was the most likely outcome anyway because this is not a very good Tenn team and it was not going to make the playoffs, even with Volek. However, signing Collins and trading Volek gets them an extra draft pick.
Fisher and Chow will be given one more year as Fisher is generally respected (prior to this Volek/Collins fiasco), and the owner will not want Vince to have to learn a new system heading into next season which would just stunt his growth. Vince will start most of this season and might win a few games as the schedule gets a lot easier after their bye. Tenn will get a high draft pick and look to build for next year.
In the end, Volek was a place-holder just like Collins is. Tenn will be Vince's team, and that was going to happen regardless. Going this route flushed this season completely, but that was the most likely outcome anyway because this is not a very good Tenn team and it was not going to make the playoffs, even with Volek. However, signing Collins and trading Volek gets them an extra draft pick.
Fisher and Chow will be given one more year as Fisher is generally respected (prior to this Volek/Collins fiasco), and the owner will not want Vince to have to learn a new system heading into next season which would just stunt his growth. Vince will start most of this season and might win a few games as the schedule gets a lot easier after their bye. Tenn will get a high draft pick and look to build for next year.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I agree with double D. It will be interesting to hear Volek's story once it surfaces over the next few weeks.
I agree w/ everything you said. He should not see the NFL playing field this year, other than NFL Europe. It's a franchise in disarray. Ironically, they traded what I believe to be a solid QB to a franchise formerly in disarray. Will Vince Young follow in the Ryan Leaf footsteps, or will he put in the work necessary to learn to do the pre-snap work that it takes to be an NFL QB? I hope so. Because his arm strength is there. The physical ability is there, though the mechanics need work. Norm Chow taught Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Matt Cassell, he can teach Vince Young with enough time and effort from Young. The mental ability, and effort, is the only thing that is lacking, and with hard work that can be developed. It will just take hard work, studying off the field, and impementation of what you learn off the field on the field.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
The smart move was to draft Leinart, and run an open competition between him and Volek. If Volek beats Leinart out, he has his chance to lead the franchise. If Leinart wins the job or Volek stumbles and loses the job during the season, he can't say he didn't get a shot.Drafting Young was a financial decision (see Mike Vick selling out the Georgia Dome every week), not a football decision.Nice conspiracy theory. I don't know for sure, but there are those on Tenn boards claiming inside knowledge that say there was a major, heated falling out between Volek and Chow, and that is what led to Volek's persona non grata status and the signing of Collins.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
As a Charger fan, I love the move for the following reasons:
- Provides quality backup QB depth. Whitehurst is a rookie, so it's nice to know that a Rivers turned ankle or sore shoulder does not mean our season is over.
- Blocks the Raiders and Chiefs. I'm much happier facing the Andrew Walter led Raiders and the Damon Huard led Chiefs than having to face Volek in either organization with a chip on his shoulder.
- The draft pick (whether it's a 5th or a 6th) isn't of much value to the Bolts at this point. Their roster is extremely young, deep, and most of the core players are signed for the long term. Their are not many roster spots available over the next two years, so whomever the Bolts took in the 5th or 6th round would likely have been a training camp cut anyway.
AJ Smith continues his masterful work since taking the GM reigns.
- Provides quality backup QB depth. Whitehurst is a rookie, so it's nice to know that a Rivers turned ankle or sore shoulder does not mean our season is over.
- Blocks the Raiders and Chiefs. I'm much happier facing the Andrew Walter led Raiders and the Damon Huard led Chiefs than having to face Volek in either organization with a chip on his shoulder.
- The draft pick (whether it's a 5th or a 6th) isn't of much value to the Bolts at this point. Their roster is extremely young, deep, and most of the core players are signed for the long term. Their are not many roster spots available over the next two years, so whomever the Bolts took in the 5th or 6th round would likely have been a training camp cut anyway.
AJ Smith continues his masterful work since taking the GM reigns.
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Drafting Young was a financial decision (see Mike Vick selling out the Georgia Dome every week), not a football decision.
Bah, that's horse****! Drafting Vince was about drafting the player with the most upside potential. Vince will be a huge success and a huge star for the Titans.
Bah, that's horse****! Drafting Vince was about drafting the player with the most upside potential. Vince will be a huge success and a huge star for the Titans.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Good pick-up by the Chargers. Even better if they sign him long term.
Tennessee is Young's team. Yes, it will sell tickets for a rebuilding squad. Yes, he can still become a league star.
No, the Raiders didn't need Volek, they need OL.
If Fisher is let go at the end of the season, he'd look great leading the squad wearing powder blues. He'll be signed by someone within the first week of being let go. Teams better hope they get the first interview.
Tennessee is Young's team. Yes, it will sell tickets for a rebuilding squad. Yes, he can still become a league star.
No, the Raiders didn't need Volek, they need OL.
If Fisher is let go at the end of the season, he'd look great leading the squad wearing powder blues. He'll be signed by someone within the first week of being let go. Teams better hope they get the first interview.
wannabee
Footballguy
Chargers | Volek trade update
Published Tue Sep 19 2:56:00 p.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Updating a previous item, the San Diego Chargers announced Tuesday, Sept. 19, that they have acquired QB Billy Volek (Titans) from the Tennessee Titans for a 2007 sixth-round draft pick. The draft choice could become a fifth-round choice if Volek participates in 50 percent of the team's total offensive plays this season.
Published Tue Sep 19 2:56:00 p.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Updating a previous item, the San Diego Chargers announced Tuesday, Sept. 19, that they have acquired QB Billy Volek (Titans) from the Tennessee Titans for a 2007 sixth-round draft pick. The draft choice could become a fifth-round choice if Volek participates in 50 percent of the team's total offensive plays this season.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
a 6th round pick ?
what a joke, he is almost free.
The Raiders should have offered
their 6th, it will be much higher
than San Diego's 6th rounder.
what a joke, he is almost free.
The Raiders should have offered
their 6th, it will be much higher
than San Diego's 6th rounder.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Ironically, that may be exactly why he got traded. Seriously, some of the behind the scenes stuff here is unbelievable.Andy Dufresne said:
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
You have no idea just how close you are to the truth. It is all correct except not exactly right on points 3, 4, and 5.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
LP Field has been sold out for EVERY game since the team moved to Nashville and has a very long PSL waiting list. They have no tickets to sell.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
Raiders can draft Brady Quinn #1 in the 2007 draft.
Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
I disagre that the fifth rounder would be a training camp casualty. I love the fact that the Chargers took Tim Dobbins with a fifth rounder selection. Granted the man is a rookie and has not played all that much in the first two games but he was a monster in the preseason. He will be a very good linebacker in year to come. Look at how well Matt Wilhelm and Carlos Polk have matured and turned into major contributors now. Both mid-round draft picks who see a lot of playing time. I will say, if Rivers stays healthy and Volek holds a clipboard all season and plays so little the draft pick is a sixth rounder, this is like stealing. I do like the fact that riding the pine in SD is much better than potentially scoring TD's against them if he landed in Oakland or KC. Good move by the Chargers and as a season ticket holder I am stoked AJ pulled the trigger on this.
Be very careful on this one. Just a word of warning Hawk, this could be sig worthy in about a year or so. Ryan Leaf down? A million dollar arm and a five cent head. As a Charger fan I have been down that road and this could really bite Tennessee in the backside a few years from now.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Disagree.In the NFL you can get out from under a bad draft pick eventually, but coaches like Jeff Fisher don't come along every day. He could be TEN's Cowher if they gave him time. He's built a team from top to bottom that was strong enough to come within a foot of winning a Superbowl. I can't think of ten guys in the NFL I'd rather have coaching my team and I can't think of any that are expected to be out of a job next year(maybe Parcells but won't he retire or at least take another couple years off?).
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
AJ has done a fantastic job with late picks the last few years - Dobbins as you mentioned in the 5th this year looks like a stud, Olivea in the 7th a couple years back, etc. I just don't see 6-7 holes in the roster right now for later round picks. Sure AJ may find another gem in the 6th, but if we concede that the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks are virtual locks to made the roster, do you see more than 3-4 guys on the current roster who are likely to be cut for whatever 5th rounder is available with the pick the Chargers would have held if they hadn't moved for Volek?Of course it's always better to have more shots (picks) to uncover gems, I'm just saying that b/c of the roster depth and youth, the chances to find someone that late to beat out someone currently on the roster are slim. But a lot could change between now and next season, so you never know.
I believe the Chargers had been carrying only 52 guys on the roster (in anticipation of this trade).Harry Beanbag said:
He's 3-7 as a starter, and his great stretch in 2004 was against terrible pass defenses.Doug B said:
Riffraff
Footballguy
Aye, the Foley + cop incident. They never signed a player after placing him on the non-football related injury list.
Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
So you mean the Chargers have been destroying Oakland and Tennessee without even the benefit of having a maxed out roster? I guess they really only needed about 25 guys total to beat those two teams anyway......
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Meh, it all evens out. I still can't believe they got something crazy like a conditional 3rd rounder for McNair when everyone in the world knew they'd have to cut him three weeks after the deal was made. Maybe he get a little too little with Volek but he got a lot more than he should have with McNair.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Kerry Collins is a former top 5 draft pick who has started for every team hes played for and has led a team to a Super Bowl. I'm not saying hes great, but hes not that terrible either.
