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Wade Wilson Suspended 5 Games for Steroids Violation...? (1 Viewer)

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I didn't know coaches got tested.

Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.

 
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I didn't know coaches got tested.Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
 
I didn't know coaches got tested.Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
The violation was while he was the Bears' QB coach, and he said he did not distribute them to anyone but that they were for personal use.
 
If true, this just says that everyone, literally everyone is using HGH. The bottles of this stuff must be passed out with the playbook. I'm sure some players are thinking - Hey, if the NFL doesn't or can't test for it, why not take something that will double my paycheck and performance level? It'll be interesting to see what kind of long term effects this will have on players 10, 15, 20 years from now.

 
I didn't know coaches got tested.Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
The violation was while he was the Bears' QB coach, and he said he did not distribute them to anyone but that they were for personal use.
Why would they care if a coach used it? Does it help him coach better? And to suspend him longer than an active player?
 
I didn't know coaches got tested.Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
The violation was while he was the Bears' QB coach, and he said he did not distribute them to anyone but that they were for personal use.
Why would they care if a coach used it? Does it help him coach better? And to suspend him longer than an active player?
No idea why he would be suspended for longer than an active player, but he claims he was taking it to help him deal with diabetes.
 
I didn't know coaches got tested.Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
The violation was while he was the Bears' QB coach, and he said he did not distribute them to anyone but that they were for personal use.
Why would they care if a coach used it? Does it help him coach better? And to suspend him longer than an active player?
Do you really buy that it was only for his personal use?
 
I didn't know coaches got tested.

Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
The violation was while he was the Bears' QB coach, and he said he did not distribute them to anyone but that they were for personal use.
Why would they care if a coach used it? Does it help him coach better? And to suspend him longer than an active player?
Do you really buy that it was only for his personal use?
Please look at my previous post.
 
I didn't know coaches got tested.

Saw this on Va.Tech Bottomline. Rewinded TiVo to make sure...trying to impress Carrie Underwood I guess.
Part of the probe that Rodney Harrison talked about last night. Now, what does a QB coach need HGH for? His QB perhaps? Seems like more may be coming...
The violation was while he was the Bears' QB coach, and he said he did not distribute them to anyone but that they were for personal use.
Why would they care if a coach used it? Does it help him coach better? And to suspend him longer than an active player?
Do you really buy that it was only for his personal use?
Please look at my previous post.
From the Cowboys Blog:
Cowboys QB coach Wade Wilson was suspended five games and fined $100,000 for violating NFL policy on performance-enhancing substances.

Wilson, who has diabetes, said he took a banned substance last fall in an attempt to improve his health. He said he did not distribute any substances to other people, and an NFL statement cited evidence supporting that claim. He declined to specify which substance he took.

"I can't say that I regret trying to improve my health and my quality of life due to complications from diabetes," Wilson said during a conference call with reporters. "I will apologize for any embarrassment to the Cowboys, to the NFL and most especially my family."

Wilson cannot have any contact with the Cowboys until Oct. 9, a penalty he felt was harsh considering his clean record during 27 years as a player and coach in the NFL.

"I was kind of taken aback by the severity of the penalty," he said. "I was taking a product that I thought was a legitimate product for legitimate reasons, and it came back to bite me."
 
I completely understand this, although it sucks for Wade Wilson. The NFL has to do its best to distance itself from HGH for the reasons given here so far -- Wilson's a coach and the logical leap is to think he could be distributing it to players.

Why they would be testing coaches for it, however, is beyond me.

 
I completely understand this, although it sucks for Wade Wilson. The NFL has to do its best to distance itself from HGH for the reasons given here so far -- Wilson's a coach and the logical leap is to think he could be distributing it to players.Why they would be testing coaches for it, however, is beyond me.
I don't think they can test for HGH. Harrison admitted it as his name was involved in the probe so I assume they have records of Wilson obtaining it rather than testing for it.Could a longer suspension for the coach be because of distribution purposes? Even though he says it was for himself, maybe the league doesn't buy that.
 
I completely understand this, although it sucks for Wade Wilson. The NFL has to do its best to distance itself from HGH for the reasons given here so far -- Wilson's a coach and the logical leap is to think he could be distributing it to players.Why they would be testing coaches for it, however, is beyond me.
I don't think they do test coaches for it. His name came up in an investigation in Albany, NY of doctors who issued prescriptions to people they had never even seen.
 
I hope everyone drafted for Depth this year.

Wali Lundy might be starting somewhere, after all!

:goodposting:

 
I have not seen these two mentioned previously, but I suspect this all stems from the Signature Compounding Pharmacy (FL) investigation started by Albany NY Prosecuting Attorney Soares.

Frankly, this is a violation of many people's medical privacy and that is being ignored in the McCarthyistic lynching of any people/organizations associated with performance enhancement. Why this is such a major issue (yes, it is an ethical issue, but the degree to which state governmental agencies and federal offices are pursuing it is completely out of proportion with the real issues of concern) is beyond me.

Consider this, many of the people who will be busted in the next month (no surprise they waited until the season started to gain more publicity) is that they are listed as receiving human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone (T) and possibly other drugs (e.g. anastrozole - an aromatase inhibitor) from the company who compounded and mailed the products. They were busted, BALCO style with more cameras than cops, because they had licensed physicians who were prescribing life-enhancing compounds/drugs to people they had not personally examined or screened with blood test to determine the presence/absence of approved clinical conditions. In other words, doctors were prescribing drugs to people who claimed via phone or internet, that they had symptoms of hGH or T deficiency.

The people, including many pro wrestlers and athletes, but many, many, more every day people, received the drugs from a (then) licensed pharmacy. In the eyes of the PATIENTS (though Soares claims they are customers as they were not examined in the context of a recognized physician-patient relationship), these drugs were being legally obtained because they were being prescribed by a doctor and sent from a pharmacy, not obtained from a part-time gym manager or personal trainer who kept a stash under the spare tire in the trunk.

These people (only the famous ones) are now being ostracized for following the rules of conduct and legally obtaining hGH, T, etc. For those employed in organizations that ban the compounds, a medical waiver could have been obtained if the condition was legitimate. The prescribing doctor would have been responsible for that. Obviously, the anti-doping violation is separate from the LEGAL status of the acts.

This is outrageous for two reasons.

1) This violates medical privacy and these people should collectively sue. They are not doctors and are not expected to know if the transaction was consistent with usual professional conduct. The doctors and pharmacy were licensed at the time.

2) the press is selectively reporting who was involved in LEGAL transactions. Professional conduct does not reflect on the patient, only the doctor/pharmacist. Why not list everyone (there were tens if not hundreds of thousands of prescriptions filled)?

This is no different from reporting the HIV status of people or who was receiving Viagra, anti-depressants, etc.

The media and the prosecuting attorneys are given carte blanche because this involves "steroids" and it is a buzz word.

A Washington DC madam was prevented from releasing her client list, as was Heidi Fleis (sp?) because it would be embarassing to the right people. Some Idaho Senator just resigned because he allegedly solicited gay sex in a public bathroom. Who else was arrested in that sting? Why is gay sex solicitation headline news but political prostitution is off-limits.

It is biased and openly just the press and politician (including prosecutors) vying for publicity during short-sighted crusades. Spend the time getting rid of the crack, crank and child abuse problems that plague the US. Most of us really don't care if adults are trying to be healthier in this culture of obesity and if athletes who entertain us and make their living need assistance in recovering from the wear and tear of professional sports, let them do so under medical supervision following guidelines developed using evidence based medicine, not a witch hunt.

We are learning that we have few role models in this era of drunk cosmonauts, homicidal diaper-wearing astronauts, drunk politicians, etc, etc, etc. It is time to really examine the rules and enforce the ones that matter and make sense.

 
I have not seen these two mentioned previously, but I suspect this all stems from the Signature Compounding Pharmacy (FL) investigation started by Albany NY Prosecuting Attorney Soares.

Frankly, this is a violation of many people's medical privacy and that is being ignored in the McCarthyistic lynching of any people/organizations associated with performance enhancement. Why this is such a major issue (yes, it is an ethical issue, but the degree to which state governmental agencies and federal offices are pursuing it is completely out of proportion with the real issues of concern) is beyond me.

Consider this, many of the people who will be busted in the next month (no surprise they waited until the season started to gain more publicity) is that they are listed as receiving human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone (T) and possibly other drugs (e.g. anastrozole - an aromatase inhibitor) from the company who compounded and mailed the products. They were busted, BALCO style with more cameras than cops, because they had licensed physicians who were prescribing life-enhancing compounds/drugs to people they had not personally examined or screened with blood test to determine the presence/absence of approved clinical conditions. In other words, doctors were prescribing drugs to people who claimed via phone or internet, that they had symptoms of hGH or T deficiency.

The people, including many pro wrestlers and athletes, but many, many, more every day people, received the drugs from a (then) licensed pharmacy. In the eyes of the PATIENTS (though Soares claims they are customers as they were not examined in the context of a recognized physician-patient relationship), these drugs were being legally obtained because they were being prescribed by a doctor and sent from a pharmacy, not obtained from a part-time gym manager or personal trainer who kept a stash under the spare tire in the trunk.

These people (only the famous ones) are now being ostracized for following the rules of conduct and legally obtaining hGH, T, etc. For those employed in organizations that ban the compounds, a medical waiver could have been obtained if the condition was legitimate. The prescribing doctor would have been responsible for that. Obviously, the anti-doping violation is separate from the LEGAL status of the acts.

This is outrageous for two reasons.

1) This violates medical privacy and these people should collectively sue. They are not doctors and are not expected to know if the transaction was consistent with usual professional conduct. The doctors and pharmacy were licensed at the time.

2) the press is selectively reporting who was involved in LEGAL transactions. Professional conduct does not reflect on the patient, only the doctor/pharmacist. Why not list everyone (there were tens if not hundreds of thousands of prescriptions filled)?

This is no different from reporting the HIV status of people or who was receiving Viagra, anti-depressants, etc.

The media and the prosecuting attorneys are given carte blanche because this involves "steroids" and it is a buzz word.

A Washington DC madam was prevented from releasing her client list, as was Heidi Fleis (sp?) because it would be embarassing to the right people. Some Idaho Senator just resigned because he allegedly solicited gay sex in a public bathroom. Who else was arrested in that sting? Why is gay sex solicitation headline news but political prostitution is off-limits.

It is biased and openly just the press and politician (including prosecutors) vying for publicity during short-sighted crusades. Spend the time getting rid of the crack, crank and child abuse problems that plague the US. Most of us really don't care if adults are trying to be healthier in this culture of obesity and if athletes who entertain us and make their living need assistance in recovering from the wear and tear of professional sports, let them do so under medical supervision following guidelines developed using evidence based medicine, not a witch hunt.

We are learning that we have few role models in this era of drunk cosmonauts, homicidal diaper-wearing astronauts, drunk politicians, etc, etc, etc. It is time to really examine the rules and enforce the ones that matter and make sense.
:kicksrock: mods> please move this post to the FFA where it will get the attention it deserves. TIA.
 
Wade Wilson sucked as a QB Coach, so maybe the HGH caused brain cramps.

I wonder if a side effect of HGH is sweaty palms. If so, he shared it with Rex Grossman.

 
Any word on a suspension of Jerry Jones for getting his face stretched tighter than John Daly's waistband at an all-you-can-eat buffet?

 
RedZone said:
I have not seen these two mentioned previously, but I suspect this all stems from the Signature Compounding Pharmacy (FL) investigation started by Albany NY Prosecuting Attorney Soares.

Frankly, this is a violation of many people's medical privacy and that is being ignored in the McCarthyistic lynching of any people/organizations associated with performance enhancement. Why this is such a major issue (yes, it is an ethical issue, but the degree to which state governmental agencies and federal offices are pursuing it is completely out of proportion with the real issues of concern) is beyond me.

Consider this, many of the people who will be busted in the next month (no surprise they waited until the season started to gain more publicity) is that they are listed as receiving human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone (T) and possibly other drugs (e.g. anastrozole - an aromatase inhibitor) from the company who compounded and mailed the products. They were busted, BALCO style with more cameras than cops, because they had licensed physicians who were prescribing life-enhancing compounds/drugs to people they had not personally examined or screened with blood test to determine the presence/absence of approved clinical conditions. In other words, doctors were prescribing drugs to people who claimed via phone or internet, that they had symptoms of hGH or T deficiency.

The people, including many pro wrestlers and athletes, but many, many, more every day people, received the drugs from a (then) licensed pharmacy. In the eyes of the PATIENTS (though Soares claims they are customers as they were not examined in the context of a recognized physician-patient relationship), these drugs were being legally obtained because they were being prescribed by a doctor and sent from a pharmacy, not obtained from a part-time gym manager or personal trainer who kept a stash under the spare tire in the trunk.

These people (only the famous ones) are now being ostracized for following the rules of conduct and legally obtaining hGH, T, etc. For those employed in organizations that ban the compounds, a medical waiver could have been obtained if the condition was legitimate. The prescribing doctor would have been responsible for that. Obviously, the anti-doping violation is separate from the LEGAL status of the acts.

This is outrageous for two reasons.

1) This violates medical privacy and these people should collectively sue. They are not doctors and are not expected to know if the transaction was consistent with usual professional conduct. The doctors and pharmacy were licensed at the time.

2) the press is selectively reporting who was involved in LEGAL transactions. Professional conduct does not reflect on the patient, only the doctor/pharmacist. Why not list everyone (there were tens if not hundreds of thousands of prescriptions filled)?

This is no different from reporting the HIV status of people or who was receiving Viagra, anti-depressants, etc.

The media and the prosecuting attorneys are given carte blanche because this involves "steroids" and it is a buzz word.

A Washington DC madam was prevented from releasing her client list, as was Heidi Fleis (sp?) because it would be embarassing to the right people. Some Idaho Senator just resigned because he allegedly solicited gay sex in a public bathroom. Who else was arrested in that sting? Why is gay sex solicitation headline news but political prostitution is off-limits.

It is biased and openly just the press and politician (including prosecutors) vying for publicity during short-sighted crusades. Spend the time getting rid of the crack, crank and child abuse problems that plague the US. Most of us really don't care if adults are trying to be healthier in this culture of obesity and if athletes who entertain us and make their living need assistance in recovering from the wear and tear of professional sports, let them do so under medical supervision following guidelines developed using evidence based medicine, not a witch hunt.

We are learning that we have few role models in this era of drunk cosmonauts, homicidal diaper-wearing astronauts, drunk politicians, etc, etc, etc. It is time to really examine the rules and enforce the ones that matter and make sense.
9/11 changed everything.

 
DOWNGRADE ROMO.

ok - I said it. I was getting tired of the non-football related impact this might have.

Romo has had 5 awesome games in the NFL and a few real stinkers. Some people are giving him top 7 rankings. After this, how does a relative inexpericed QB deal with it?

Romo is not the next Aikman....I'd say more Johnny Goat Horns for blowing the 1st Dallas playoff win since 95.

 
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DOWNGRADE ROMO.

ok - I said it. I was getting tired of the non-football related impact this might have.

Romo has had 5 awesome games in the NFL and a few real stinkers. Some people are giving him top 7 rankings. After this, how does a relative inexpericed QB deal with it?

Romo is not the next Aikman....I'd say more Johnny Goat Horns for blowing the 1st Dallas playoff win since 95.
Ummmm......what does holding a football for a FG attempt have to do with his quarterbacking ability???
 
On the question of a more severe penalty for staff: The commissioner made it clear when the new personal conduct policy was implemented that staff would be held to an even higher standard than players. I wonder how much he knew about Wilson already? NFL Security was being kept in the loop on this investigation.

 
DOWNGRADE ROMO.

ok - I said it. I was getting tired of the non-football related impact this might have.

Romo has had 5 awesome games in the NFL and a few real stinkers. Some people are giving him top 7 rankings. After this, how does a relative inexpericed QB deal with it?

Romo is not the next Aikman....I'd say more Johnny Goat Horns for blowing the 1st Dallas playoff win since 95.
Ummmm......what does holding a football for a FG attempt have to do with his quarterbacking ability???
just basing it on body of work......like most pro's. This thread is about a QB coach not being around for a month - which is a fairly important spot Dallas, considering that Romo has a 12 game starting experience and choked the season away his last play that meant anything.

No pressure Romo....if he handles it, then he's a legit star.

 
RedZone said:
I have not seen these two mentioned previously, but I suspect this all stems from the Signature Compounding Pharmacy (FL) investigation started by Albany NY Prosecuting Attorney Soares.

Frankly, this is a violation of many people's medical privacy and that is being ignored in the McCarthyistic lynching of any people/organizations associated with performance enhancement. Why this is such a major issue (yes, it is an ethical issue, but the degree to which state governmental agencies and federal offices are pursuing it is completely out of proportion with the real issues of concern) is beyond me.

Consider this, many of the people who will be busted in the next month (no surprise they waited until the season started to gain more publicity) is that they are listed as receiving human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone (T) and possibly other drugs (e.g. anastrozole - an aromatase inhibitor) from the company who compounded and mailed the products. They were busted, BALCO style with more cameras than cops, because they had licensed physicians who were prescribing life-enhancing compounds/drugs to people they had not personally examined or screened with blood test to determine the presence/absence of approved clinical conditions. In other words, doctors were prescribing drugs to people who claimed via phone or internet, that they had symptoms of hGH or T deficiency.

The people, including many pro wrestlers and athletes, but many, many, more every day people, received the drugs from a (then) licensed pharmacy. In the eyes of the PATIENTS (though Soares claims they are customers as they were not examined in the context of a recognized physician-patient relationship), these drugs were being legally obtained because they were being prescribed by a doctor and sent from a pharmacy, not obtained from a part-time gym manager or personal trainer who kept a stash under the spare tire in the trunk.

These people (only the famous ones) are now being ostracized for following the rules of conduct and legally obtaining hGH, T, etc. For those employed in organizations that ban the compounds, a medical waiver could have been obtained if the condition was legitimate. The prescribing doctor would have been responsible for that. Obviously, the anti-doping violation is separate from the LEGAL status of the acts.

This is outrageous for two reasons.

1) This violates medical privacy and these people should collectively sue. They are not doctors and are not expected to know if the transaction was consistent with usual professional conduct. The doctors and pharmacy were licensed at the time.

2) the press is selectively reporting who was involved in LEGAL transactions. Professional conduct does not reflect on the patient, only the doctor/pharmacist. Why not list everyone (there were tens if not hundreds of thousands of prescriptions filled)?

This is no different from reporting the HIV status of people or who was receiving Viagra, anti-depressants, etc.

The media and the prosecuting attorneys are given carte blanche because this involves "steroids" and it is a buzz word.

A Washington DC madam was prevented from releasing her client list, as was Heidi Fleis (sp?) because it would be embarassing to the right people. Some Idaho Senator just resigned because he allegedly solicited gay sex in a public bathroom. Who else was arrested in that sting? Why is gay sex solicitation headline news but political prostitution is off-limits.

It is biased and openly just the press and politician (including prosecutors) vying for publicity during short-sighted crusades. Spend the time getting rid of the crack, crank and child abuse problems that plague the US. Most of us really don't care if adults are trying to be healthier in this culture of obesity and if athletes who entertain us and make their living need assistance in recovering from the wear and tear of professional sports, let them do so under medical supervision following guidelines developed using evidence based medicine, not a witch hunt.

We are learning that we have few role models in this era of drunk cosmonauts, homicidal diaper-wearing astronauts, drunk politicians, etc, etc, etc. It is time to really examine the rules and enforce the ones that matter and make sense.
9/11 changed everything.
:no: HIPAA went into effect in April of 2003.
 
If true, this just says that everyone, literally everyone is using HGH. The bottles of this stuff must be passed out with the playbook. I'm sure some players are thinking - Hey, if the NFL doesn't or can't test for it, why not take something that will double my paycheck and performance level? It'll be interesting to see what kind of long term effects this will have on players 10, 15, 20 years from now.
Small details of suspension claim they caught him selling it
 
RedZone said:
I have not seen these two mentioned previously, but I suspect this all stems from the Signature Compounding Pharmacy (FL) investigation started by Albany NY Prosecuting Attorney Soares.

Frankly, this is a violation of many people's medical privacy and that is being ignored in the McCarthyistic lynching of any people/organizations associated with performance enhancement. Why this is such a major issue (yes, it is an ethical issue, but the degree to which state governmental agencies and federal offices are pursuing it is completely out of proportion with the real issues of concern) is beyond me.

Consider this, many of the people who will be busted in the next month (no surprise they waited until the season started to gain more publicity) is that they are listed as receiving human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone (T) and possibly other drugs (e.g. anastrozole - an aromatase inhibitor) from the company who compounded and mailed the products. They were busted, BALCO style with more cameras than cops, because they had licensed physicians who were prescribing life-enhancing compounds/drugs to people they had not personally examined or screened with blood test to determine the presence/absence of approved clinical conditions. In other words, doctors were prescribing drugs to people who claimed via phone or internet, that they had symptoms of hGH or T deficiency.

The people, including many pro wrestlers and athletes, but many, many, more every day people, received the drugs from a (then) licensed pharmacy. In the eyes of the PATIENTS (though Soares claims they are customers as they were not examined in the context of a recognized physician-patient relationship), these drugs were being legally obtained because they were being prescribed by a doctor and sent from a pharmacy, not obtained from a part-time gym manager or personal trainer who kept a stash under the spare tire in the trunk.

These people (only the famous ones) are now being ostracized for following the rules of conduct and legally obtaining hGH, T, etc. For those employed in organizations that ban the compounds, a medical waiver could have been obtained if the condition was legitimate. The prescribing doctor would have been responsible for that. Obviously, the anti-doping violation is separate from the LEGAL status of the acts.

This is outrageous for two reasons.

1) This violates medical privacy and these people should collectively sue. They are not doctors and are not expected to know if the transaction was consistent with usual professional conduct. The doctors and pharmacy were licensed at the time.

2) the press is selectively reporting who was involved in LEGAL transactions. Professional conduct does not reflect on the patient, only the doctor/pharmacist. Why not list everyone (there were tens if not hundreds of thousands of prescriptions filled)?

This is no different from reporting the HIV status of people or who was receiving Viagra, anti-depressants, etc.

The media and the prosecuting attorneys are given carte blanche because this involves "steroids" and it is a buzz word.

A Washington DC madam was prevented from releasing her client list, as was Heidi Fleis (sp?) because it would be embarassing to the right people. Some Idaho Senator just resigned because he allegedly solicited gay sex in a public bathroom. Who else was arrested in that sting? Why is gay sex solicitation headline news but political prostitution is off-limits.

It is biased and openly just the press and politician (including prosecutors) vying for publicity during short-sighted crusades. Spend the time getting rid of the crack, crank and child abuse problems that plague the US. Most of us really don't care if adults are trying to be healthier in this culture of obesity and if athletes who entertain us and make their living need assistance in recovering from the wear and tear of professional sports, let them do so under medical supervision following guidelines developed using evidence based medicine, not a witch hunt.

We are learning that we have few role models in this era of drunk cosmonauts, homicidal diaper-wearing astronauts, drunk politicians, etc, etc, etc. It is time to really examine the rules and enforce the ones that matter and make sense.
9/11 changed everything.
:wall: HIPAA went into effect in April of 2003.
Which came after 9/11.Don't get me wrong. I don't believe it but it's the excuse jokers keep giving every time they step on individual rights.

 

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