Wade Wilson to appeal his suspension (1 Viewer)

[1huskerfan]

Again, Wilson's claim that HGH was to be used for his diabetes is SKETCHY AT BEST. Most studies not only show that HGH doesn't help impotence but it actually makes the symptoms of Diabetes WORSE.Richard Rydze from the Steelers was wrapped up in this whole thing two, and despite his initial claims that the HGH had nothing to do with his role as team doctor, he ws FIRED in June.If I were Wilson, I'd keep my mouth shut about this whole thing.

But the Cowboys didn't get an in game advantage from Wilson using HGH.

You're assuming that Wilson was purchasing HGH for himself. Just like some people are buying the notion that Dr. Rydze was buying HGH for his elderly patients....with his own credit card.

Has Goodell been able to prove that he did not purchase it for himself? Sans evidence that he was distributing it, why no warning and a fine? The punishment WW got appears to be a much stiffer penalty in relation to the offense than that of BB and his offense. Which offense, WW using HGH or BB having an unfair competitive advantage for his team is more damaging to the league. In consideration of the facts known to date (of which the punishments should be based), I would say BB hurt the league much worse than WW.

Everyone is making it seem like the 'unfair advantage' was comparable to having 12 men on the field. It did nothing more than give them an advantage in preparation.

If I as an offense can anticipate where you as a defense are going to be coming from without you knowing it, how can I not have an advantage? I can now audiblize and run plays, routes, and other schemes and packages in a way that allows me the opportunity to exploit you because I know your plan for attacking me and can defend against it with an offensive plan to exploit weakenesses inherant in your defensive scheme. Yes you still have to execute and play, but I can't downplay the siginifcant advantage of knowing how to attack a defense because you know what they are doing to attack you.

You can do all that without the camera. If you want to argue that it should be illegal for a team to look at the other team's sideline, then hey, maybe they should be playing in skirts.

 

[pghrob]

Again, Wilson's claim that HGH was to be used for his diabetes is SKETCHY AT BEST. Most studies not only show that HGH doesn't help impotence but it actually makes the symptoms of Diabetes WORSE.Richard Rydze from the Steelers was wrapped up in this whole thing two, and despite his initial claims that the HGH had nothing to do with his role as team doctor, he ws FIRED in June.If I were Wilson, I'd keep my mouth shut about this whole thing.

But the Cowboys didn't get an in game advantage from Wilson using HGH.

You're assuming that Wilson was purchasing HGH for himself. Just like some people are buying the notion that Dr. Rydze was buying HGH for his elderly patients....with his own credit card.

Has Goodell been able to prove that he did not purchase it for himself? Sans evidence that he was distributing it, why no warning and a fine? The punishment WW got appears to be a much stiffer penalty in relation to the offense than that of BB and his offense. Which offense, WW using HGH or BB having an unfair competitive advantage for his team is more damaging to the league. In consideration of the facts known to date (of which the punishments should be based), I would say BB hurt the league much worse than WW.

Everyone is making it seem like the 'unfair advantage' was comparable to having 12 men on the field. It did nothing more than give them an advantage in preparation.

If I as an offense can anticipate where you as a defense are going to be coming from without you knowing it, how can I not have an advantage? I can now audiblize and run plays, routes, and other schemes and packages in a way that allows me the opportunity to exploit you because I know your plan for attacking me and can defend against it with an offensive plan to exploit weakenesses inherant in your defensive scheme. Yes you still have to execute and play, but I can't downplay the siginifcant advantage of knowing how to attack a defense because you know what they are doing to attack you.

You can do all that without the camera. If you want to argue that it should be illegal for a team to look at the other team's sideline, then hey, maybe they should be playing in skirts.

That's not what is being debated. The issue is equal access to tools being used to compete so that both teams are on a level playing field.

 

[1huskerfan]

Again, Wilson's claim that HGH was to be used for his diabetes is SKETCHY AT BEST. Most studies not only show that HGH doesn't help impotence but it actually makes the symptoms of Diabetes WORSE.Richard Rydze from the Steelers was wrapped up in this whole thing two, and despite his initial claims that the HGH had nothing to do with his role as team doctor, he ws FIRED in June.If I were Wilson, I'd keep my mouth shut about this whole thing.

But the Cowboys didn't get an in game advantage from Wilson using HGH.

You're assuming that Wilson was purchasing HGH for himself. Just like some people are buying the notion that Dr. Rydze was buying HGH for his elderly patients....with his own credit card.

Has Goodell been able to prove that he did not purchase it for himself? Sans evidence that he was distributing it, why no warning and a fine? The punishment WW got appears to be a much stiffer penalty in relation to the offense than that of BB and his offense. Which offense, WW using HGH or BB having an unfair competitive advantage for his team is more damaging to the league. In consideration of the facts known to date (of which the punishments should be based), I would say BB hurt the league much worse than WW.

Everyone is making it seem like the 'unfair advantage' was comparable to having 12 men on the field. It did nothing more than give them an advantage in preparation.

If I as an offense can anticipate where you as a defense are going to be coming from without you knowing it, how can I not have an advantage? I can now audiblize and run plays, routes, and other schemes and packages in a way that allows me the opportunity to exploit you because I know your plan for attacking me and can defend against it with an offensive plan to exploit weakenesses inherant in your defensive scheme. Yes you still have to execute and play, but I can't downplay the siginifcant advantage of knowing how to attack a defense because you know what they are doing to attack you.

You can do all that without the camera. If you want to argue that it should be illegal for a team to look at the other team's sideline, then hey, maybe they should be playing in skirts.

That's not what is being debated. The issue is equal access to tools being used to compete so that both teams are on a level playing field.

Did you bother to read your own quote? It has nothing to do with equal access.

 

[Whizzinator]

The league has a consistent HGH policy across all employees. You can't really argue for a reduction for Wilson unless you want to do so for all the other league employees nailed for PEDs. The reason he has an illegal substance is of no more relevance than the question of whether the Pats actually gained an advantage from having the cameras. The reason is, the rule is what it is and if you violate it you get the penalty which others who do similar things have gotten.For PEDs that's a suspension of 4 games, and an additional game for being in a position of authority.For team-level misconduct, it's a loss of draft picks and a fine. Which is what all the teams who played sal cap games were penalized.I just don't see that there's much comparison between these things.

If you don't reduce WW's punishment, you increase the severity of BB's.....by imposing a suspension.

I don't think you read the post you were responding to. They aren't related---if you want to argue WW's penalty you should be discussing what Merriman, Harrison, etc got. That's what his penalty is derived from.The PED policy and the game operations manual violations are two different things.

 

[1huskerfan]

The league has a consistent HGH policy across all employees. You can't really argue for a reduction for Wilson unless you want to do so for all the other league employees nailed for PEDs. The reason he has an illegal substance is of no more relevance than the question of whether the Pats actually gained an advantage from having the cameras. The reason is, the rule is what it is and if you violate it you get the penalty which others who do similar things have gotten.For PEDs that's a suspension of 4 games, and an additional game for being in a position of authority.For team-level misconduct, it's a loss of draft picks and a fine. Which is what all the teams who played sal cap games were penalized.I just don't see that there's much comparison between these things.

If you don't reduce WW's punishment, you increase the severity of BB's.....by imposing a suspension.

I don't think you read the post you were responding to. They aren't related---if you want to argue WW's penalty you should be discussing what Merriman, Harrison, etc got. That's what his penalty is derived from.The PED policy and the game operations manual violations are two different things.

That's too logical for these guys.7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 doors. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

 

[cowboyz]

It is inconsistent. I would be pissed if I was Wade too.

Inconsistent how? They broke different rules.

They are different rules....and BB broke the more serious rule. His transgression was much more serious than WW's.

But as I have been saying all week, the penalty for what BB is not defined, and with defining the penalty it could/would pose problems. The NFL policy on banned substances spells out the penalty, so they can simply point to it and say that was the rule, here is your penalty.I don't agree with it either, but that's how things have been set up.

I would laugh if Goddell said, "Wade your right, I'm gonna lift your suspension but I'm gonna fine you 500k and take your teams 1st round pick next year."

sure go ahead, take the bears 1st round pick

 

[pghrob]

Again, Wilson's claim that HGH was to be used for his diabetes is SKETCHY AT BEST. Most studies not only show that HGH doesn't help impotence but it actually makes the symptoms of Diabetes WORSE.Richard Rydze from the Steelers was wrapped up in this whole thing two, and despite his initial claims that the HGH had nothing to do with his role as team doctor, he ws FIRED in June.If I were Wilson, I'd keep my mouth shut about this whole thing.

But the Cowboys didn't get an in game advantage from Wilson using HGH.

You're assuming that Wilson was purchasing HGH for himself. Just like some people are buying the notion that Dr. Rydze was buying HGH for his elderly patients....with his own credit card.

Has Goodell been able to prove that he did not purchase it for himself? Sans evidence that he was distributing it, why no warning and a fine? The punishment WW got appears to be a much stiffer penalty in relation to the offense than that of BB and his offense. Which offense, WW using HGH or BB having an unfair competitive advantage for his team is more damaging to the league. In consideration of the facts known to date (of which the punishments should be based), I would say BB hurt the league much worse than WW.

Everyone is making it seem like the 'unfair advantage' was comparable to having 12 men on the field. It did nothing more than give them an advantage in preparation.

If I as an offense can anticipate where you as a defense are going to be coming from without you knowing it, how can I not have an advantage? I can now audiblize and run plays, routes, and other schemes and packages in a way that allows me the opportunity to exploit you because I know your plan for attacking me and can defend against it with an offensive plan to exploit weakenesses inherant in your defensive scheme. Yes you still have to execute and play, but I can't downplay the siginifcant advantage of knowing how to attack a defense because you know what they are doing to attack you.

You can do all that without the camera. If you want to argue that it should be illegal for a team to look at the other team's sideline, then hey, maybe they should be playing in skirts.

That's not what is being debated. The issue is equal access to tools being used to compete so that both teams are on a level playing field.

Did you bother to read your own quote? It has nothing to do with equal access.

Maybe we are not talking about the same thing here. I am saying that stealing signals via use of a camera is an advantage. The Pats had it, the Jets didn't. When one team has the tool and the other doesn't, that means they do not have equal access...ergo one team has an advantage that the other doesn't. That is why the BB offense is egregious. He broke a rule to get an unfair advantage over the opponent.

 

[1huskerfan]

Again, Wilson's claim that HGH was to be used for his diabetes is SKETCHY AT BEST. Most studies not only show that HGH doesn't help impotence but it actually makes the symptoms of Diabetes WORSE.Richard Rydze from the Steelers was wrapped up in this whole thing two, and despite his initial claims that the HGH had nothing to do with his role as team doctor, he ws FIRED in June.If I were Wilson, I'd keep my mouth shut about this whole thing.

But the Cowboys didn't get an in game advantage from Wilson using HGH.

You're assuming that Wilson was purchasing HGH for himself. Just like some people are buying the notion that Dr. Rydze was buying HGH for his elderly patients....with his own credit card.

Has Goodell been able to prove that he did not purchase it for himself? Sans evidence that he was distributing it, why no warning and a fine? The punishment WW got appears to be a much stiffer penalty in relation to the offense than that of BB and his offense. Which offense, WW using HGH or BB having an unfair competitive advantage for his team is more damaging to the league. In consideration of the facts known to date (of which the punishments should be based), I would say BB hurt the league much worse than WW.

Everyone is making it seem like the 'unfair advantage' was comparable to having 12 men on the field. It did nothing more than give them an advantage in preparation.

If I as an offense can anticipate where you as a defense are going to be coming from without you knowing it, how can I not have an advantage? I can now audiblize and run plays, routes, and other schemes and packages in a way that allows me the opportunity to exploit you because I know your plan for attacking me and can defend against it with an offensive plan to exploit weakenesses inherant in your defensive scheme. Yes you still have to execute and play, but I can't downplay the siginifcant advantage of knowing how to attack a defense because you know what they are doing to attack you.

You can do all that without the camera. If you want to argue that it should be illegal for a team to look at the other team's sideline, then hey, maybe they should be playing in skirts.

That's not what is being debated. The issue is equal access to tools being used to compete so that both teams are on a level playing field.

Did you bother to read your own quote? It has nothing to do with equal access.

Maybe we are not talking about the same thing here. I am saying that stealing signals via use of a camera is an advantage. The Pats had it, the Jets didn't. When one team has the tool and the other doesn't, that means they do not have equal access...ergo one team has an advantage that the other doesn't. That is why the BB offense is egregious. He broke a rule to get an unfair advantage over the opponent.

So the fact that the Pats could review the signs later gave them an advantage on Sunday? I don't see it. Anything of value needs to be caught in real time and a camera provides no advantage over a pair of binoculars.

 

[pghrob]

That's not what is being debated. The issue is equal access to tools being used to compete so that both teams are on a level playing field.

Did you bother to read your own quote? It has nothing to do with equal access.

Maybe we are not talking about the same thing here. I am saying that stealing signals via use of a camera is an advantage. The Pats had it, the Jets didn't. When one team has the tool and the other doesn't, that means they do not have equal access...ergo one team has an advantage that the other doesn't. That is why the BB offense is egregious. He broke a rule to get an unfair advantage over the opponent.

So the fact that the Pats could review the signs later gave them an advantage on Sunday? I don't see it. Anything of value needs to be caught in real time and a camera provides no advantage over a pair of binoculars.

Well,I think I have uncovered our disconnect. I agree about the real time issue being required for an unfair advantge occur. I am chagrinned to say that I may have completely misunderstood the offense. I thought the Pats had a camera with a live feed that was enabling a real time theft of signs to occur. If they are accused of simply stealing signs to use at a later date...well, that certainly changes things a bit.

 

[Workhorse]

Article from the other day in the Albany Times Union that suggests Wilson received both HGH and Steroids in multiple shipments, both at his home and at the Bears facility:

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story...&TextPage=3

Again, I didn't buy his diabetes excuse in the first place. Now? Doesn't look very good for ole Wade.