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Report: Wainwright likely needs Tommy JohnCardinals officials believe Adam Wainwright will likely need Tommy John surgery.Feb 23, 9:39 AMSource: Joe Strauss on Twitter
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Report: Wainwright likely needs Tommy JohnCardinals officials believe Adam Wainwright will likely need Tommy John surgery.Feb 23, 9:39 AMSource: Joe Strauss on Twitter
UPITER, Fla. • St. Louis Cardinals ace Adam Wainwright has flown back to St. Louis this morning to have his right elbow examined this afternoon after he experienced discomfort in the joint.
General manager John Mozeliak said he believes it is a "significant injury" and the early word is "not encouraging."
Tommy John surgery is one alternative to repair the damage for which Wainwright is being checked.
"After his bullpen on Monday, he did feel something in his right elbow," Mozeliak said. "I can say just based on the initial evaluation from our training staff, things do not look encouraging. But before we jump to any conclusions, we'll just wait until the re-evaluation this afternoon."
Mozeliak said there would be an update Wednesday afternoon.
Wainwright finished second in the Cy Young voting and he won 20 games last season for the Cardinals. He and Cy Young Award-winner Roy Halladay were the only pitchers in the National League to finish in the top 10 in the major pitching categories.
The righthander was first diagnosed with a tear in the same ligament back in 2004. He has twiced missed turns with a strain in his elbow related to that injury. Last summer, he missed his final start of last season due to discomfort in the joint. A checkup in November, however, assured him and the Cardinals of the joint's stability and structure, and even a few weeks ago, as spring training started, Wainwright insisted that he wasn't concerned about the joint.
"There is probably a connection between the ligament being compromised then to now," Mozeliak said. "Obviously, he's pitched very successfully between (2004) and now. I guess at some point, it's just a matter of time."
Wainwright has a $21-million, two-year option at the end of this season that was triggered by his finish in the Cy Young voting. To claim the option he must finish the year healthy and not on the team's disabled list.
It really is. Hopefully they'll jump in there on Millwood. If he can give a league average performance for ~200 innings, the Cards may be able to battle through it. Can't replace Waino's production, but if they can replace his innings with one guy it would help ease the pain. I shudder to think of Ian Snell or Miguel Batista seeing significant time at the back-end of the rotation as a result of this.That's just devastating for St. Louis. Sucks.
Jonny Gomes walked into the Cincinnati Reds spring training clubhouse early Wednesday morning singing at the top of his warbly voice. The melody was not recognizable, but the words were plaintive: “Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone,” he sang joyously.
Watch out for the ear hole, Jonny!Jonny Gomes walked into the Cincinnati Reds spring training clubhouse early Wednesday morning singing at the top of his warbly voice. The melody was not recognizable, but the words were plaintive: “Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone,” he sang joyously.
Watch out for the ear hole, Jonny!Jonny Gomes walked into the Cincinnati Reds spring training clubhouse early Wednesday morning singing at the top of his warbly voice. The melody was not recognizable, but the words were plaintive: “Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone,” he sang joyously.
Well ain't that just a kick in the head.Jonny Gomes walked into the Cincinnati Reds spring training clubhouse early Wednesday morning singing at the top of his warbly voice. The melody was not recognizable, but the words were plaintive: “Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone,” he sang joyously.
x2Watch out for the ear hole, Jonny!Jonny Gomes walked into the Cincinnati Reds spring training clubhouse early Wednesday morning singing at the top of his warbly voice. The melody was not recognizable, but the words were plaintive: “Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone,” he sang joyously.![]()
If there's a word that describes Adam Wainwright's impact on the Cardinals better than any other right now, it's this:Irreplaceable.There isn't a pitcher on the roster, a pitcher on the free-agent market or a pitcher the Cardinals could trade for who can replace, in just about any way, what one of the best starters alive would have given them had he not had to make a visit to his friendly neighborhood Tommy John surgeon.That's no slight to Kyle McClellan, no knock on Kevin Millwood, no rip on Joe Blanton or Kenshin Kawakami. But they're not Adam Wainwright -- because just about no one is.[+] EnlargeAdam WainwrightScott Rovak/US PresswireAdam Wainwright, 29, felt stiffness in his right arm after Monday's throwing session.If you were making a list of the best starting pitchers in baseball right this minute, Roy Halladay and Felix Hernandez might rank above Wainwright. But that might be it.For some reason, Wainwright doesn't get the love from the masses that a pitcher this dominant ought to get. But sometimes, this can be a how-can-I-miss-you-if-you-won't-go-away kind of world. So here's what the Cardinals will be missing while their ace is gone:• According to baseball-reference.com, Wainwright is one of only two pitchers in the sport who finished in the top seven in his league in Wins Above Replacement (among ALL players, not just pitchers) in each of the last two years. The other: Halladay.• Wainwright is also one of only two pitchers who have finished in the top three in Cy Young balloting in each of the last two years. The other: Hernandez.• Wainwright is one of just four pitchers who have worked at least 230 regular-season innings in each of the last two seasons. The others: Halladay, Felix and CC Sabathia.• And over those last two spectacular seasons -- in which Wainwright has gone 39-19 with a 2.53 ERA -- he's tied for first in the big leagues (with Hernandez) in starts allowing two earned runs or fewer (48). He ranks second in ERA, wins and quality starts. And he's third in the sport (or tied for third) in Adjusted ERA-Plus, most starts allowing one earned run or none and best average Game Score.But even those numbers don't quite capture what Adam Wainwright is, or what he means to his team."Losing him," said one NL scout Thursday, "that's a 10-game dropoff."Now that isn't what the numbers would say. Not exactly. According to baseball-reference.com, Wainwright has been worth about six wins per season more than an average replacement pitcher in both 2009 (6.0) and 2010 (5.7.). Our friends at FanGraphs calculated 2009 at 5.7, 2010 at 6.1 and estimated his WAR for this season to be 6.4.So the numbers would suggest he's worth about six wins, not 10. But that doesn't take in the whole picture, the same scout said."It's more than [six], because of what it means mentally," he said. "When you lose a guy like this, there's a psychological devastation. He's their No. 1. He's their rock. So when you lose him, it doesn't just affect one slot in the rotation. It's like losing a middle-of-the-order bat in your lineup. It forces other guys to slide up into different roles and gets them out of their comfort zones. And then those guys aren't the same."And it even affects other teams going in to play them. Instead of saying, 'Uh-oh, we've got to face Carpenter and Wainwright in this series,' now you're going to go get two out of three and feel pretty good about it. So the whole mindset of the Cardinals, and the league's mindset about the Cardinals, is altered now."When I was in Jupiter, Fla., last week, I heard quite a few Cardinals make the case that people were underestimating their rotation. I even heard them argue that their group was just as good as any team's rotation -- including the Phillies' mega-hyped group."I don't know what would separate them from our guys," closer Ryan Franklin said of the Phillies. "Our guys have pitched big games. They've pitched in the World Series. And Carpenter and Wainwright are two guys I'd match up with any team's top two. I'll take our two against anybody."Well, not anymore.And this is an injury that affects more than just this team's rotation. This is a star-driven team, a franchise built around its great players (Wainwright, Carpenter, Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday and Yadier Molina) -- with a big dropoff to the rest of the roster."The Cardinals have very few of what I'd call 'B' players," the same scout said. "They have 'A' players -- and then they have 'guys.' Now Yadier Molina has to be the best catcher in the league. Pujols has to be the best first baseman in the league. They need big improvement from their center fielder (Colby Rasmus). Those are the things that have to happen. They have to be an offensive team now."But the ripple effects keep coming. Carpenter turns 36 in two months, and this is the last guaranteed year on his contract. (The team holds a $15 million option for next year.) So this is an injury that could have a huge impact on his future.Wainwright himself has two option years left on his deal beyond this season, at $9 million for 2011 and $12 million for 2012. The contract language requires the Cardinals to pick up both options at the same time following this season. But that language also gives them the right to void those options if Wainwright ends this season on the disabled list, which he now clearly will. So even though the success rate of Tommy John surgery is extremely high, the club has a fascinating decision to make there.And then there's Albert. He, too, is on the last year of his deal. You might have heard that someplace. If Wainwright's absence causes this team to slide into the middle of the pack, who knows how, or if, that alters the year-long Pujols Watch?Does it turn up the heat? Hurt attendance? Cut revenues? Increase the pressure to sign him? Decrease the pressure to sign him? Put the Cardinals in a position where they have to fend off the inevitable trade rumors -- even though Pujols has indicated he would veto any trade and the Cardinals have said they have no interest in trading him?One sliding door leads them through so many more. And it's impossible to say with any certainty where all those doors will lead them.But we can be certain of one thing: In a division in which the Brewers and Cubs appear to have closed the gap between the Cardinals and Reds over this offseason, this is a devastating, franchise-altering injury in all sorts of ways. And it reinforces, more than ever, exactly what Adam Wainwright has become:Irreplaceable.
Yeah, and its not like the Cards haven't been through this before with Chris Carpenter. The team will carry on. Won't be as good, but they'll carry on.Starks' article makes it sounds like Wainwright is the first pitcher to ever blow his arm out
or notThat's just devastating for St. Louis. Sucks.
or notThat's just devastating for St. Louis. Sucks.
Seems like he faces a manager that makes worse decisions than him about 90% of the time.The manager and pitching coach deserve a tremendous amount of credit.Let's not give Larussa and Duncan too much credit. The lineup is stacked the rotation even without Wainwright was still good. Larussa got lucky that he faced a manager in the World Series that makes worse decisions than him.
Yea I'm actually going to give them a lot of credit.Let's not give Larussa and Duncan too much credit. The lineup is stacked the rotation even without Wainwright was still good. Larussa got lucky that he faced a manager in the World Series that makes worse decisions than him.
I would have definitely taken the under on 587 PAs for Berkman. He played nearly 1000 innings in the OF, the most he's done there since 2004.LaRussa has helped his legacy immensely with this championship. His Oakland clubs were so stacked that it almost seemed like he underachieved there in spite of three pennants. He's a first ballot HoF if he ever retires.I've posted this before but I think Dave Duncan has contributed enough to merit a few votes as well.cardinals won two ws they had no business winning whatsoever. i think its time this tony larussa is a horrible manager shtick stops. and lmao at stacked lineup. did you know lance berkman would be this good going into the year?