Waiting Till The 3rd Round For Your Starting Running Back (1 Viewer)

[LittlePhatty]

so after Picks 1 - 4 your screwed; because theres only 4 stud RBs left

How do you know there are only 4? The season has yet to be played.Last year Ray Rice could be had in Round 5.

Find this year's Rice. That's the idea.

 

[pantherclub]

I still think without one stud RB you will have a very hard time fielding a championship team, and it's really, really hard to find a true stud at that position outside of the first two rounds, and really in most drafts the first.

That is so not true. Not even remotely close to true. Only 4 out of the top 10 preseason ranked rb's end up in the top 10 at the end of the year. Any running back can get hot and carry you. Look at harrison, charles, dude from seattle, or dude from houston last year. Each one of these guys could have won you the title by the way they were playing. Look at 2 years ago when dwill went absolutely insane and won a ton of titles. He wasnt picked anywhere close to the top 8 rounds that year. Without getting a top 3-4 running back then it starts sliding into the gamble territory. Whereas you know AJ, Fitz, Wayne, Moss, Marshall, jennings and probably now White are good for their numbers and they can be had at the end of the 1rst throughout the 2nd. The same cannot be said for guys like Matthews, benson, Mendenhall, Geene or Thomas. These are the players with adp in the 2nd round. Sure they may work out but its probably just as likely as they wont. Why not get guarenteed numbers and then gamble with your running backs from the 4rth-5th on? You will also have you pickens of running backs as mostly everyone else with your mindset is now struggling to fill out their WR slots.

He was mid 6th or 7th I think... definitely not post 8th.

Sure okay he was a 6th round pick that won a ton of guys titles by himself. Still proves my point that there are a glut of guys that can produce sick big numbers from the 4rth on to not even being drafted. Wr's like that are few and far between. Miles Austin wasnt drafted last year and he is the only one I can think of. Who else was a ww wr that was available from say week 5 on that produced wr#1 numbers?

 

[pantherclub]

so after Picks 1 - 4 your screwed; because theres only 4 stud RBs left

How do you know there are only 4? The season has yet to be played.Last year Ray Rice could be had in Round 5.

Find this year's Rice. That's the idea.

I think he was mocking me.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I did it for Draftmasters Preimer, a couple of other guys did it too and our teams look good.

3 start WR 1PPR

http://football25.myfantasyleague.com/2010...;FRANCHISE=0000

1.09 9. KellysHeroes (FBG) Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Sat Jul 24 6:18:56 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.04 16. KellysHeroes (FBG) Marshall, Brandon MIA WR Sat Jul 24 7:37:18 p.m. ET 2010 marshall!!!!

3.04 28. KellysHeroes (FBG) Greene, Shonn NYJ RB Sun Jul 25 9:38:10 a.m. ET 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

4.04 40. KellysHeroes (FBG) McCoy, LeSean PHI RB Mon Jul 26 12:21:44 a.m. ET 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

5.09 57. KellysHeroes (FBG) Forte, Matt CHI RB Mon Jul 26 4:45:52 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

6.04 64. KellysHeroes (FBG) Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR Mon Jul 26 7:31:25 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

7.09 81. KellysHeroes (FBG) Cutler, Jay CHI QB Tue Jul 27 1:33:32 a.m. ET 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

pay attention boys, this is a very nice draft. If not for 3RR though Green might not have been there. Although in PPR leagues he does slide pretty far

I like it but I wouldn't want to depend on Cutler as my starter. Having a bad QB makes FF almost no fun. Cutler will still have 15+ insts this year Martz or no Martz.

Thanks Sniffer... if it was standard snake draft I would of ended up with Wells instead of Greene

3 DEF and 3 PKs when you only start 1 per week? 4 TEs? I would have taken Maroney at 9.09 as the last viable starting RB then follow up with a few picks later. Overall I'm liking it.

Thanks.. I miss judge where some of the lower tier guys would go like Maroney / Mason / Housh / Manningham This is one of the leagues where you draft and the system plays your best line up for the rest of the yr... and I have found that you want depth everywhere, including Def and PK. I explained my thinking in the write up section of the league

http://www.mfladdons.com/forum/viewforum.p...94da2b4e848a13d

So yeah, from rounds 17 - 25 I took 4 Ds and 3 PKs because I rather get something that will score points than a flyer that is usually a wasted pick. I took 3 TEs in a row; KW2 was nice value but I worry about his injury history / situation, Miller is top 10 TE when Ben plays but still didn't feel to comfortable at the TE position and saw Shaincoe as another value pick.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so after Picks 1 - 4 your screwed; because theres only 4 stud RBs left

How do you know there are only 4? The season has yet to be played.Last year Ray Rice could be had in Round 5.

Find this year's Rice. That's the idea.

I think he was mocking me.

so last yr if you went WR / WR / RB / RB / RB you had 2 stud WR and a Stud RB... proves the point of the thread

 

[pantherclub]

so after Picks 1 - 4 your screwed; because theres only 4 stud RBs left

How do you know there are only 4? The season has yet to be played.Last year Ray Rice could be had in Round 5.

Find this year's Rice. That's the idea.

I think he was mocking me.

so last yr if you went WR / WR / RB / RB / RB you had 2 stud WR and a Stud RB... proves the point of the thread

Last year I went wr/wr/wr/qb/rb/rb/rb/rb/rb. I finished 2nd in my league for the second year in a row doing the exact same thing. So yeah I guess it does prove the point of this thread. But mainly I guess I was sharing my research/knowledge to the dudes who say you have to pick a rb in the first 2 rounds to win. Sorry to get off track

 

[andrew11]

I think this is a very viable option...especially in a PPR. If you can grab 3 good-great WR's right off teh bat and then get lucky on a couple late RB's...I think you're in a prime position to make a Champioship run.

However, I do strongly think this strategy favors PPR leagues.

 

[Clifford]

First off I never said you HAD to get a RB in the first round or two. I said without a stud RB it's hard to field a championship team. And it's generally more likely that a pick on RB in the first will achieve stud level than will a RB taken in later rounds.

After the top 4, there are 3-6 more backs that I think have a top-ten floor with top-five upside (Gore, Turner, Sjax, Charles, Mendenhall, D-Will). Given that most 1st rounds will have 1-2 WRs and 1 QB, that means that depending on your draft, you have a really good shot at one of the above in the first.

All I'm saying is that without a stud to plug in at least one of your RB spots, you're going to have a hard time being competitive. If you are the type of drafter that is confident you have a couple of breakouts pegged and are willing to gamble on that, by all means grab elite talent at other positions first. But I think people are overvaluing WRs vs RBs that fall outside the uppermost tier. Sure, you should take a tier 1 WR over a tier 2 RB, but tier 1 this year is basically AJ, Fitz, Moss, and Austin. And two of those are shaky.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

I still think without one stud RB you will have a very hard time fielding a championship team, and it's really, really hard to find a true stud at that position outside of the first two rounds, and really in most drafts the first.

That is so not true. Not even remotely close to true. Only 4 out of the top 10 preseason ranked rb's end up in the top 10 at the end of the year. Any running back can get hot and carry you. Look at harrison, charles, dude from seattle, or dude from houston last year. Each one of these guys could have won you the title by the way they were playing. Look at 2 years ago when dwill went absolutely insane and won a ton of titles. He wasnt picked anywhere close to the top 8 rounds that year. Without getting a top 3-4 running back then it starts sliding into the gamble territory. Whereas you know AJ, Fitz, Wayne, Moss, Marshall, jennings and probably now White are good for their numbers and they can be had at the end of the 1rst throughout the 2nd. The same cannot be said for guys like Matthews, benson, Mendenhall, Geene or Thomas. These are the players with adp in the 2nd round. Sure they may work out but its probably just as likely as they wont. Why not get guarenteed numbers and then gamble with your running backs from the 4rth-5th on? You will also have you pickens of running backs as mostly everyone else with your mindset is now struggling to fill out their WR slots.

He was mid 6th or 7th I think... definitely not post 8th.

Sure okay he was a 6th round pick that won a ton of guys titles by himself. Still proves my point that there are a glut of guys that can produce sick big numbers from the 4rth on to not even being drafted. Wr's like that are few and far between. Miles Austin wasnt drafted last year and he is the only one I can think of. Who else was a ww wr that was available from say week 5 on that produced wr#1 numbers?

Steve Smith (giants) put up some good numbers and I'm betting he was on the waiver wire in a lot of leagues.

 

[greenheads]

"I think it is just as likely, if not more so to get good value at WR later in the draft than it is RB's"

Sorry I don't see it

OK name 3 wrs that you could have gotten after rd 8-9 worth starting as a #1 or #2 wr in a 12 team start 3 wr league in the 2009 draft or on waivers

now apply the same to rbs

 

[ATC1]

"I think it is just as likely, if not more so to get good value at WR later in the draft than it is RB's"Sorry I don't see itOK name 3 wrs that you could have gotten after rd 8-9 worth starting as a #1 or #2 wr in a 12 team start 3 wr league in the 2009 draft or on waiversnow apply the same to rbs

S. Rice, S. Smith (NYG), Austin, Sims- Walker, Meachum. That said I completely agree with the direction you are headed. I certainly think it is easier to pick that RB gem than WR gem in the draft.

 

[meeka]

"I think it is just as likely, if not more so to get good value at WR later in the draft than it is RB's"Sorry I don't see itOK name 3 wrs that you could have gotten after rd 8-9 worth starting as a #1 or #2 wr in a 12 team start 3 wr league in the 2009 draft or on waiversnow apply the same to rbs

S. Rice, S. Smith (NYG), Austin, Sims- Walker, Meachum. That said I completely agree with the direction you are headed. I certainly think it is easier to pick that RB gem than WR gem in the draft.

Sorry. He said name 3.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

"I think it is just as likely, if not more so to get good value at WR later in the draft than it is RB's"Sorry I don't see itOK name 3 wrs that you could have gotten after rd 8-9 worth starting as a #1 or #2 wr in a 12 team start 3 wr league in the 2009 draft or on waiversnow apply the same to rbs

WR: Steve Smith NYGMike Sims Walker - JaxS.RiceMeachemRB: Jamaal CharlesJospeh Addai - maybe depends on the leagueCedric Benson

 

[bolldpt]

I have to say this year especially with alot of NFL teams going to RBBC it really waters down the RB value. I think this is a huge point. If you dont get a stud in round 1 you can wait for RB while you load up on other positions. I agree with Andrew11, PPR leagues this makes alot of sense. I plan to load up on a couple of WRs and pass catching RBs later on.

 

[greenheads]

ok

nice point about the wr late rd/waiver gems

A lot depends on your roster requirements and the draft trends of your league

I do think there are more of these in the rb position, also surprise nfl starters at rb tend to be more consistent and put up more crazy points than surprise wrs

last year late rd or waiver startable rbs in my league (in addition to those already mentioned)

fred jackson

mendenhall

j harrison

ricky williams

 

[Niaboc]

im picking 6th this year the top 4 are so obvious im just hoping that 5th goes RB cause i want andre johnson i really dont see any reason why I should take a RB at that point they all seem equal to me with the double back system.. the only thing with taking a WR in the first round near the top is that your 2nd and 3rd are so crutial to your fantasy team ..

12man league

6 points per td

redraft.

 

[kutta]

I think people are thinking about this a bit incorrectly. Four years ago or so, everyone was drafting two RB's in the first two or three rounds. Then things started to change. People realized that RB's were overvalued and they should rethink this strategy. So now everyone equalizes the positions (VBD, etc.) and you see lots of WRs and some QBs going in the first two rounds. What this really means is that if you are a RB/RB guy, this is the perfect time to do it. RB value in the mid-second round is better than its ever been. There are so many RBBC's out there now, that if you can get a couple guys in the first two rounds who are the primary back, you are doing pretty well. Everyone else is going to be stuck with RBBC guys. And it's pretty easy to do now because most people are taking WRs and QBs.

So to say that RB/RB is so 2002, or that it has gone the way of the dinosaurs, is actually a good thing for those looking at doing it. It really is all about value, and with all the WRs and QBs being taken early nowadays, the RB value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds is also increasing.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I also did in No Mercy this June

12 Team Non-PPR / QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, ... No Flex play / Standard Snake Draft

Going over the rosters I was the only one that WR / WR

http://football10.myfantasyleague.com/2010...;FRANCHISE=0000

1.10 10. Kellys Heroes Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Thu Jun 17 6:13:08 p.m. PT 2010 fitz

2.03 15. Kellys Heroes Wayne, Reggie IND WR Fri Jun 18 9:36:07 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.10 34. Kellys Heroes Charles, Jamaal KCC RB Sat Jun 19 9:46:45 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

4.03 39. Kellys Heroes McCoy, LeSean PHI RB Sun Jun 20 3:35:27 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

5.10 58. Kellys Heroes Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR Mon Jun 21 2:29:57 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

6.03 63. Kellys Heroes Cutler, Jay CHI QB Tue Jun 22 7:55:40 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

7.10 82. Kellys Heroes Welker, Wes NEP WR Wed Jun 23 6:55:51 p.m. PT 2010 welker

I love this pick for WR4...

8.03 87. Kellys Heroes McFadden, Darren OAK RB Thu Jun 24 4:26:26 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

9.10 106. Kellys Heroes Brown, Donald IND RB Fri Jun 25 7:05:43 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

10.03 111. Kellys Heroes Bush, Michael OAK RB Fri Jun 25 4:00:25 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

11.10 130. Kellys Heroes Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB Sat Jun 26 8:28:34 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

12.03 135. Kellys Heroes Cooley, Chris WAS TE Sat Jun 26 6:56:38 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

13.10 154. Kellys Heroes Jones, James GBP WR Mon Jun 28 10:40:39 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

14.03 159. Kellys Heroes Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK WR Mon Jun 28 1:02:01 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

15.10 178. Kellys Heroes Olsen, Greg CHI TE Tue Jun 29 7:42:03 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

16.03 183. Kellys Heroes Longwell, Ryan MIN PK Wed Jun 30 5:10:15 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

17.10 202. Kellys Heroes Titans, Tennessee TEN Def Fri Jul 2 3:27:02 a.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

18.03 207. Kellys Heroes Bell, Mike PHI RB Fri Jul 2 8:02:39 p.m. PT 2010 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

 

[KentGraham10]

I think people are thinking about this a bit incorrectly. Four years ago or so, everyone was drafting two RB's in the first two or three rounds. Then things started to change. People realized that RB's were overvalued and they should rethink this strategy. So now everyone equalizes the positions (VBD, etc.) and you see lots of WRs and some QBs going in the first two rounds. What this really means is that if you are a RB/RB guy, this is the perfect time to do it. RB value in the mid-second round is better than its ever been. There are so many RBBC's out there now, that if you can get a couple guys in the first two rounds who are the primary back, you are doing pretty well. Everyone else is going to be stuck with RBBC guys. And it's pretty easy to do now because most people are taking WRs and QBs.So to say that RB/RB is so 2002, or that it has gone the way of the dinosaurs, is actually a good thing for those looking at doing it. It really is all about value, and with all the WRs and QBs being taken early nowadays, the RB value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds is also increasing.

Phew! I've been out of fantasy football for a few years and I was ingrained with the RB/RB strategy in the first two rounds, did it again this year. Looks like I didn't screw myself over as much as I thought when I first started reading this thread

 

[kutta]

I think people are thinking about this a bit incorrectly. Four years ago or so, everyone was drafting two RB's in the first two or three rounds. Then things started to change. People realized that RB's were overvalued and they should rethink this strategy. So now everyone equalizes the positions (VBD, etc.) and you see lots of WRs and some QBs going in the first two rounds. What this really means is that if you are a RB/RB guy, this is the perfect time to do it. RB value in the mid-second round is better than its ever been. There are so many RBBC's out there now, that if you can get a couple guys in the first two rounds who are the primary back, you are doing pretty well. Everyone else is going to be stuck with RBBC guys. And it's pretty easy to do now because most people are taking WRs and QBs.So to say that RB/RB is so 2002, or that it has gone the way of the dinosaurs, is actually a good thing for those looking at doing it. It really is all about value, and with all the WRs and QBs being taken early nowadays, the RB value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds is also increasing.

Phew! I've been out of fantasy football for a few years and I was ingrained with the RB/RB strategy in the first two rounds, did it again this year. Looks like I didn't screw myself over as much as I thought when I first started reading this thread

Your timing is perfect.

 

[HenryMuto]

Waiting to the 3rd round is nothing. In 2007 I waited until the 5th round and was told what an idiot I was by the rest of the league for waiting that long on RB's and then I demolished the league with my stud WR's and stud TE (getting Moss in the 4th was a nice help)

In 2008 I waited until the 7th round to pick my 1st RB...ended up coming in 2nd place out of 12 teams.

It is simple draft for value even if it means taking RB's later even beyond the 3rd round.