Walker and Colston (1 Viewer)

[jurrassic]

What are your feelings are Walker and Colston? Will Walker have a big year? He is a second year removed from injury but has to deal with a relatively new qb who did not target him much at the end of the last year, a renewed sense of the run game, and the aftermath of the Williams shooting. Colston came on strong as a rookie but is now the #1 and has the pressure to produce, along with the attention of the defenses. Where do you have these guys ranked. Would you draft them in the 3rd or 4t? Would you rely on them as your #1 wr? Would you rather a Brees or Brady in that spot?

 

[The Man with the Plan]

What are your feelings are Walker and Colston? Will Walker have a big year? He is a second year removed from injury but has to deal with a relatively new qb who did not target him much at the end of the last year, a renewed sense of the run game, and the aftermath of the Williams shooting. Colston came on strong as a rookie but is now the #1 and has the pressure to produce, along with the attention of the defenses. Where do you have these guys ranked. Would you draft them in the 3rd or 4t? Would you rely on them as your #1 wr? Would you rather a Brees or Brady in that spot?

Marques Colston was always the number 1 wide receiver for the Saints. You think those teams just let him score yards and touchdowns? Colston was the best wide receiver in the league last season when he was healthy. Then he suffered a devastating high ankle sprain. He wasn't right after that.In terms of PPG he was easily the best in the league. It says he played in 14 games but it was more like 12. He got hurt very early in the game against the Bengals and did nothing in a meaningless week 17 game against the Panthers. Not to mention the games in between when he was hurt.

He's healthy now. When he was healthy before he was playing like the best wide receiver in the league. Drew Brees is still there. Joe Horn is gone. The schedule is a joke. It's looking to me like all the stars are aligning for Marques Colston to become the #1 wide receiver in fantasy football this season.

P.S. Javon Walker's not bad but I like Colston better.

 

[JohnnyU]

What are your feelings are Walker and Colston? Will Walker have a big year? He is a second year removed from injury but has to deal with a relatively new qb who did not target him much at the end of the last year, a renewed sense of the run game, and the aftermath of the Williams shooting. Colston came on strong as a rookie but is now the #1 and has the pressure to produce, along with the attention of the defenses. Where do you have these guys ranked. Would you draft them in the 3rd or 4t? Would you rely on them as your #1 wr? Would you rather a Brees or Brady in that spot?

Marques Colston was always the number 1 wide receiver for the Saints. You think those teams just let him score yards and touchdowns? Colston was the best wide receiver in the league last season when he was healthy. Then he suffered a devastating high ankle sprain. He wasn't right after that.In terms of PPG he was easily the best in the league. It says he played in 14 games but it was more like 12. He got hurt very early in the game against the Bengals and did nothing in a meaningless week 17 game against the Panthers. Not to mention the games in between when he was hurt.

He's healthy now. When he was healthy before he was playing like the best wide receiver in the league. Drew Brees is still there. Joe Horn is gone. The schedule is a joke. It's looking to me like all the stars are aligning for Marques Colston to become the #1 wide receiver in fantasy football this season.

P.S. Javon Walker's not bad but I like Colston better.

I think you are overvaluing Colston in a big way. He won't sneak up on teams this year, and they will assign their best cornerback to him most days and roll coverage. That wasn't the case in 2006. Javon Walker is a better WR than Colston IMO, but that doesn't mean Walker will have a better year than Colston. I'll give you that.

 

[broker3d]

I like Walker but I am not high on Colston. I'm not an expert on the Saints or Colston but from what I hear is that Colston is not very good at separation but my main concern with Colston is that this year he will be lined up with the other teams #1 corner. and no, last year he was not. Horn took that.

I'm just not high on him, but I do see Devery Henderson picking up the slack.

Just my 2 pennies.

 

[Stashy]

People are foolish if they think players sneak up on teams. These are Pro teams. Countless hours are spent breaking down game film and analyzing players ability to prepare a game plan. I'm sure teams overlooked a 6'4 230 pound stud that was on fire. Come on man! I'm sure he didn't even get overlooked his very first regular season game. I'm sure he showed enough in the preseason to warrant him getting attention. Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking.

 

[Pipes]

People are foolish if they think players sneak up on teams. These are Pro teams. Countless hours are spent breaking down game film and analyzing players ability to prepare a game plan. I'm sure teams overlooked a 6'4 230 pound stud that was on fire. Come on man! I'm sure he didn't even get overlooked his very first regular season game. I'm sure he showed enough in the preseason to warrant him getting attention. Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking.

A couple of Colston's best games were against Pittsburgh & Tampa (back to back) in which Joe Horn was injured in both of those. Colston was the #1 WR and lit up a couple of pretty good defenses.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

People are foolish if they think players sneak up on teams. These are Pro teams. Countless hours are spent breaking down game film and analyzing players ability to prepare a game plan. I'm sure teams overlooked a 6'4 230 pound stud that was on fire. Come on man! I'm sure he didn't even get overlooked his very first regular season game. I'm sure he showed enough in the preseason to warrant him getting attention. Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking.

A couple of Colston's best games were against Pittsburgh & Tampa (back to back) in which Joe Horn was injured in both of those. Colston was the #1 WR and lit up a couple of pretty good defenses.

I tend to agree with these guys... not to mention, defenses also have their hands full covering Deuce and more importantly Reggie

 

[Jason Wood]

People are foolish if they think players sneak up on teams. These are Pro teams. Countless hours are spent breaking down game film and analyzing players ability to prepare a game plan. I'm sure teams overlooked a 6'4 230 pound stud that was on fire. Come on man! I'm sure he didn't even get overlooked his very first regular season game. I'm sure he showed enough in the preseason to warrant him getting attention. Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking.

A couple of Colston's best games were against Pittsburgh & Tampa (back to back) in which Joe Horn was injured in both of those. Colston was the #1 WR and lit up a couple of pretty good defenses.

I'm not saying Colston isn't a good young WR, but Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay weren't their typical defensive selves last year, FYI. PIT was 21st in passing yards allowed and 18th in yards per pass allowed. Tampa Bay was 15th in yards allowed and 23rd in yards per pass attempt. Both were squarely in the bottom half of the league last year in pass defense.

 

[JohnnyU]

People are foolish if they think players sneak up on teams. These are Pro teams. Countless hours are spent breaking down game film and analyzing players ability to prepare a game plan. I'm sure teams overlooked a 6'4 230 pound stud that was on fire. Come on man! I'm sure he didn't even get overlooked his very first regular season game. I'm sure he showed enough in the preseason to warrant him getting attention. Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking.

I guess 2007 will tell the tale.

 

[fightingillini]

What are your feelings are Walker and Colston? Will Walker have a big year? He is a second year removed from injury but has to deal with a relatively new qb who did not target him much at the end of the last year, a renewed sense of the run game, and the aftermath of the Williams shooting. Colston came on strong as a rookie but is now the #1 and has the pressure to produce, along with the attention of the defenses. Where do you have these guys ranked. Would you draft them in the 3rd or 4t? Would you rely on them as your #1 wr? Would you rather a Brees or Brady in that spot?

I am not that high on Colston. I really want to see him do it again before I am a believer. The reasons why he is ranked #17 on my cheatsheet are the following:1) Brees had a career year yardage wise......don't see him throwing for 4400......3800 is my projection for him.2) Bush will catch 80-90 passes again.....he's the #1 target for Brees.3) Defenses will double team him more this year......like to see how he does against those double teams.4) NO will run the ball a lot......McAllister will get about 250 carries, and Bush should get about 175. Add in any scrambles from Brees and other RBs.....and you're approaching 500 carries.5) NO likes to run the ball near the goalline.....I have McAllister scoring 10 rushing TDs and Bush scoring 5 rushing TDs.6) NO picked up Eric Johnson, a pretty good pass-catching TE......he is injury prone, but if he stays healthy, should get a lot of looks....we all know that Brees likes to throw the ball to the TE.So in a nutshell, I don't like Colston's upside, since I don't see him near the league's leaders in targets. My projection for Colston is 75 rec, 1050 yds receiving and 7 TDs.....decent numbers, but he's overvalued.

 

[fightingillini]

What are your feelings are Walker and Colston? Will Walker have a big year? He is a second year removed from injury but has to deal with a relatively new qb who did not target him much at the end of the last year, a renewed sense of the run game, and the aftermath of the Williams shooting. Colston came on strong as a rookie but is now the #1 and has the pressure to produce, along with the attention of the defenses. Where do you have these guys ranked. Would you draft them in the 3rd or 4t? Would you rely on them as your #1 wr? Would you rather a Brees or Brady in that spot?

Walker could have a huge season in DEN. He's the undisputed #1 guy and gaining rapport with Culter. Has a lot of upside. My projection for him is 80 rec, 1200 yds and 9TDs. His current ranking on my cheatsheet is #10.So yes, I would draft Walker in the late 3rd, and IMO you're getting a steal in the 4th.

 

[DoubleG]

I am not that high on Colston. I really want to see him do it again before I am a believer. The reasons why he is ranked #17 on my cheatsheet are the following:1) Brees had a career year yardage wise......don't see him throwing for 4400......3800 is my projection for him.2) Bush will catch 80-90 passes again.....he's the #1 target for Brees.3) Defenses will double team him more this year......like to see how he does against those double teams.4) NO will run the ball a lot......McAllister will get about 250 carries, and Bush should get about 175. Add in any scrambles from Brees and other RBs.....and you're approaching 500 carries.5) NO likes to run the ball near the goalline.....I have McAllister scoring 10 rushing TDs and Bush scoring 5 rushing TDs.6) NO picked up Eric Johnson, a pretty good pass-catching TE......he is injury prone, but if he stays healthy, should get a lot of looks....we all know that Brees likes to throw the ball to the TE.So in a nutshell, I don't like Colston's upside, since I don't see him near the league's leaders in targets. My projection for Colston is 75 rec, 1050 yds receiving and 7 TDs.....decent numbers, but he's overvalued.

Points 4-6 could be applied to Walker in Denver as well and 4 & 5 were just as much the case last year. Point 1 was partially because of Colston - who missed several games and still put up solid #'s. Point 2 is probably valid - but keep in mind that both Bush and Colston each got plenty last year (see Gates and LT - interestingly enough up until last year, Brees was their QB too.) In summary, Colston was WR15 as a rookie with several games missed (fpts./non ppr). With 10-12 more catches and another tuddy or 2 he'd crack the top 10. IF he stays healthy, I don't think it's that far fetched for him to check in at WR9 or 10 - right above Walker. I just don't see him taking a step back stat-wise if he stays healthy.My point is that last year Colston finished (in my non-ppr league) only 6 fantasy points behind Walker - if he stays healthy he should easily surpass him, as I don't see this "sophomore jinks" some are predicting.

 

[freeannyong]

1) Brees had a career year yardage wise......don't see him throwing for 4400......3800 is my projection for him.2) Bush will catch 80-90 passes again.....he's the #1 target for Brees.3) Defenses will double team him more this year......like to see how he does against those double teams.4) NO will run the ball a lot......McAllister will get about 250 carries, and Bush should get about 175. Add in any scrambles from Brees and other RBs.....and you're approaching 500 carries.5) NO likes to run the ball near the goalline.....I have McAllister scoring 10 rushing TDs and Bush scoring 5 rushing TDs.6) NO picked up Eric Johnson, a pretty good pass-catching TE......he is injury prone, but if he stays healthy, should get a lot of looks....we all know that Brees likes to throw the ball to the TE.

1) What did NO do to improve on defense that makes you think they will throw less?2) OK, what does this have to do with Colston?3) No way. Bush will be the focus of defenses, just like last year. It was sick to watch Jaws break down game films and see how much respect the D was giving Bush. Colston is number 2 to defenses.4) Again, why do you expect their pass/run ration to change much from last year. What did they do to get dramatically better on d?5) McAllister scored 10 times last year. Bush is not a goal line back, he dances way too much, especially when you have McAllister. 5 is a stretch. Colston will get a lot of looks because he is a huge target matched up against a small CB.6) Eric Johnson will not stay healthy.

 

[eliasartigue]

I am a Saints homer but I will share my opinion on this. Brees probably won't throw for 4400 yds this year because I think we will run the ball more. The DEF will be better than last year. Mark my words. I'm not talking a top 5 DEF but they are improved. Bush will run more between the tackles this year. He has been improving on that since camp started and he is showing he can handle it. I don't think he will get 80-90 balls thrown his way this year. I would say 60-75 range. Bush will get goaline carries this year and so will Deuce. I expect 10 TDs for Deuce and 10 rush/rec for Bush. Eric Johnston will get a few passes thrown to him. We did't utilize the TE last year due to injuries. IF E.Johnston stays healthy he should contribute in the red zone. Colston was and still is the number 1 WR. Horn was an afterthought last year. Part of the reason he is gone. I grabbed Walker in the 3rd round in a 10 team draft. Colsten went 2nd round I believe. I think Colsten will get nearly the same points as last year. I am sure Walker will be Cutlers fav target soon enough.

 

[Couch Potato]

I have nothing to offer you other than my intuition, but I've learned to trust my intuition over the years. I think Colston, for whatever reason, will disappoint. I'm aware he's being ranked in the WR10-15 range by most. I traded him late last year in any leagues I owned him in and have not sought to acquire him in drafts or trade at this year's price. I can't even point to a specific reason, so feel free to ignore this post, but something within me is screaming "WAY OVERPRICED" and I'm listening. I'm only projecting him at about 900 yards and 6 TDs, putting him at about WR30. Please don't point out last year's stats for him and that he did it with games missed. I know.

On the other hand, I think Walker will have a tremendous year and I'd gladly take him as a top-10 WR. Given the choice between the two, for me it's Walker hands down.

 

[newteech]

cool Colston video for those who haven't seen it (even if it is fake)

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Right or wrong, I am sold on Colston.

Too much like Gates coming out of nowhere as a big physical target for Brees.

Brees and Sean Peyton will get 4000 yards passing.

Now you must decide if Henderson or Copper or Eric Johnson will take away the receiving production from Colston or Bush.

 

[Couch Potato]

Right or wrong, I am sold on Colston.Too much like Gates coming out of nowhere as a big physical target for Brees.Brees and Sean Peyton will get 4000 yards passing. Now you must decide if Henderson or Copper or Eric Johnson will take away the receiving production from Colston or Bush.

Though he's started slowly, you shouldn't leave out their #1 pick Meachem. As the weeks go by his role should increase. Obviously, Payton isn't afraid to play a rookie (Colston last year) if he deems him ready.

 

[crimsonrebel]

yeah but the rookie that looks to be playred is Lance Moore, not Meachem.

 

[FFFIEND]

I like them both, but I like Walker much more than Colston. Walker has proven his worth time and time again.

 

[strong]

I like Colston a lot as a player but I think it's realistic that his numbers will decline from last year, especially his per game numbers.

First, I think Bush will score more touchdowns this season. Second, I see Henderson improving on his 750 and 6 season last year in 13 games. Third, I think Meachum will encroach on Horn's 650 & 4 last season in 10 games.

Last, NO was plagued with injuries to the wide outs last season, including Colston. While this diminished Colston's overall numbers, I think it greatly enhanced his per game numbers since he played several games without either Henderson or Horn.

I think 1000 yds and 6-7 TDs is a fair projection over 15 or 16 games. Not bad, but I think there's better/safer bets around his ADP...

 

[jabarony]

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