I am also trying to trade for Irons. I am finding that it is impossible to trade a 2nd rounder for him. This is in 3 or 4 12/14 team dynasty. Have you seen him going for this?
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wannabee
Footballguy
All depends on the owners. He went mid 2nd in my ppr league to the Rudi owner. I do think that a savvy owner will extort as much as he can for Irons to the Rudi owner. I would pick up Watson for now and play it as though you do not need Irons. But, if you really want Irons in a normal dynasty league, he should be worth a 2008 2nd, or a 2nd and a 3rd if you wanted to make sure you get him. I like Irons' talent, but he is far from a sure thing.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
Hey Wannabee,
Me again, just received a trade offer D. Williams for Boldin
10 teams 7 player keeper
starting lineup 1 QB, 2 RB's, 3 WR's, 1 Flex( RB, WR, TE), 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF
My keepers
Leinart, Westbrook, Ronnie Brown, J. Lewis, Boldin, S. Smith, R. Moss
His keepers
Cutler, McNabb, Addai, Bush, Portis, D. Williams, Reggie Brown.
My first reaction was no way and looking at his team I don't think I could make an even trade with him for Williams or any of his other RB's. Really it will all come down to what Lewis will do this year, I think he will be a good 3 RB for me and with Willaims sharing carries this year I think those too will be fairly even.
I do not have a 1st round pick, I traded that and my 2.01 for S. Smith but I do have 2.06 & 2.07.
So do I take this trade thinking of the future since Lewis will be gone within 2 years.
Are there any trades that you can see that would make sense between these 2 teams?
Me again, just received a trade offer D. Williams for Boldin
10 teams 7 player keeper
starting lineup 1 QB, 2 RB's, 3 WR's, 1 Flex( RB, WR, TE), 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF
My keepers
Leinart, Westbrook, Ronnie Brown, J. Lewis, Boldin, S. Smith, R. Moss
His keepers
Cutler, McNabb, Addai, Bush, Portis, D. Williams, Reggie Brown.
My first reaction was no way and looking at his team I don't think I could make an even trade with him for Williams or any of his other RB's. Really it will all come down to what Lewis will do this year, I think he will be a good 3 RB for me and with Willaims sharing carries this year I think those too will be fairly even.
I do not have a 1st round pick, I traded that and my 2.01 for S. Smith but I do have 2.06 & 2.07.
So do I take this trade thinking of the future since Lewis will be gone within 2 years.
Are there any trades that you can see that would make sense between these 2 teams?
wannabee
Footballguy
the major question I have is the scoring.
wannabee
Footballguy
if the scoring is non-PPR, I think I would gladly take DWilliams over Boldin, even though I am a Boldin fan. RBs are worth a ton more than WRs in non-PPR leagues. If PPR, I probably like Boldin a little more. If PPR, the only deal I see (and do not know if both owners will like) is Lewis and Boldin for DWilliams and Reggie Brown. I am one that is not sold on lewis in Cleve this year.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
No PPR other then that the scoring is pretty standard.So you would say this is a no brianer to do if the scoring is No PPR.Would you drop Lewis and keep either Heap or Chicago's Def if I traded for Williams or would you keep Lewis for a fill in on bye weeks.I would think I could get a average WR in the second round.I just received another trade in this league which is my 2008 1st round pick for J. Walker what do you think about this one.
wannabee
Footballguy
I would not take the Walker deal in non-ppr leagues since you have to drop someone. Since you have to drop someone. I might look at a 2-for-1 deal first before accepting. Do you think the other owner would give you an extra pick if you included lewis in the deal?? Or do you think he would go for a Lewis/Boldin for Addai or maybe you can swap QBs in the deal if you add Lewis? Just thinking of ways to add value to the deal for you since you ill have to drop someone
Packers4ever
Footballguy
I don't think he would give me a pick if I include Lewis in the deal just because then he would have the problem with having to many keepers. The other deal you are talking about with swapping QB's are you thinking Lewis/Boldin/Leinart for Addai and either McNabb or culter.
wannabee
Footballguy
yes, if you can squeeze Addai out of the deal. Also, if you like Mcnabb more than Leinart, you can use a Lewis/Boldin/Leinart for Mcnabb and DWill type of deal.The other thought is to stay with the Boldin for DWill deal and see if you can "sell" Lewis to a RB-starved team for an extra pick.
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Footballguy
I offered him two second rounders and Wes Welker (he has Randy Moss) for Irons and he wouldn't do it. I guess since he has no good runners he is hoping for an injury (he has Irons, Lorenzo Booker, Reuben Droughns, Betts, and Buckhalter to go with Thomas Jones).Looks like I'll be keeping Morency.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
So you would still do the Boldin/Williams deal eventhrough I would only have S. Smith & R. Moss as 2 of my 3 starters at WR. Do you think Williams will do as good as Lewis this year.I offer another team J. Lewis and 3.07 for Coles & 2.10 but has not respond would you make this trade he only has Maroney as a starting RB but does have the #1 pick. Another team only has LJ and have been trying to trade him Lewis and 2.06 for either Driver or Cotchery he has 5 of the top 20 WR's. His WR's Fitz, Walker, Colston, Driver, & Cotchery. I would like to get Fitz what would you think is a fair deal from him. I was thinking my 1st this year and my 2.06 & 2.07 this year but I think he will want either Brown or Westbrook in the deal. What do you think about this or should I just stay with the Boldin for Williams trade and hope to pickup a 3 WR at 2.06.
wannabee
Footballguy
ok, let's start from the top:I think this deal is a very close one, and much depends on your thoughts of DWilliams. I think he is still a year away from being a full time starter. The more I think about it, I might hold Bolding. Sorry to be wishy-washy. I am not a huge Boldin fan, but he is much more certain than DWilliams, who may never emerge.If you only have 2 WR keepers, I would not worry. You could draft a few veterans like Jerry Porter, Eddie Kennison, etc that will be fine in a WR3 by committee. This would allow you to have a couple of prospects on the bench like a rookie wr or a wr like drew carter or patric crayton.I would not give Lewis and a 2nd for Cotch in a non-PPR, even though I am a huge Cotch fan. Lewis is still startable in Cleve. I would do that deal for Driver though.I would not trade a front line RB for Fitz, or any other WR. RBs are so gold in non-PPR leagues. I hope I answered them all.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
Thanks for answering all my questions. I think I am just going to stay with who I have and hope I can make a run at the title.
wannabee
Footballguy
A few days ago, I posted my QBs to watch and a few reasons why. I had written an article for another site and just summarized the data earlier. Here is the full article:
Each year, there are several Quarterbacks that are way underrated and undervalued. Most times, it is because they are coming off of an injury-plagued season or because they had a poor playoff stretch. When looking for “sleeper” Quarterbacks, it is best to identify those who have produced at a high level in the past and are being undervalued for some reason. In addition, situation might improve or limit the future productivity of these Quarterbacks.
The following are the Quarterbacks who are good bets to outperform expectations of fantasy owners:
Eli Manning - Peyton’s little brother had a very good year in 2005 finishing as the fourth best Quarterback. He followed that up with a down year in 2006 falling short of expectations on his way to a QB11 finish after having an ADP of QB5. The Giants offense as a whole seemed to take a step back in 2006, with the exception of Tiki Barber. The conservative offense by Coughlin led to Eli having much fewer pass attempts in 2006 than 2005, which hurt fantasy production. Eli improved his completion percentage and had a higher Quarterback rating in 2006, but also had eighteen interceptions. Manning is still a young Quarterback in the NFL. One major concern is the lack of offensive weapons with the retirement of Tiki Barber. In 2007, the Giants drafted a young Wide Receiver in Steve Smith who should help the passing game. Getting Amani Toomer healthy again should help as well. The Giants, and Eli in particular, missed Toomer when he went down with injury. Eli manning is being drafted as the thirteenth Quarterback taken in drafts. He finished as QB11 last year and I see that as a worst-case scenario for Eli. I expect Eli to finish in the eight or ten Quarterbacks in production. Eli has had over twenty touchdowns each of the last two seasons and that trend should continue.
Matt Hasselbeck – The Seattle offense as a whole had a difficult season in 2006. The injury to Shaun Alexander, the loss of Steve Hutchinson, and the injury to Darrell Jackson all contributed to a down year for Hasselbeck, who missed 4 games himself. In 2006, Hasselbeck had his lowest pass completion percentage; yards per attempt average, and Quarterback rating in several years. He did have 18 Touchdowns in 12 games. In the offseason, the Seahawks cut Jerramy Stevens, the starting Tight End, and traded Darrell Jackson, the best Wide Receiver. The Seahawks say they have faith in D.J. Hackett to step up into the void left by Jackson. Also, Bobby Engram is healthy, which should help, as he is a very good slot receiver. The Seahawks signed the veteran Marcus Pollard to replace Stevens. Currently, Hasselbeck is being drafted as the fourteenth Quarterback taken. With a healthy Shaun Alexander, the Seahawk offense should be much more productive. That offense revolves around a strong running game and Maurice Morris did not garner respect from opposing defenses. Just like with Eli Manning above, I prefer to draft Quarterbacks that have performed at a high level in the past. Being able to draft Matt Hasselbeck as a backup Quarterback is a steal. He should perform as a passable starting quarterback, but is being drafted as a fantasy backup.
Ben Roethlisberger – Ben Roethlisberger is a Quarterback coming off of an eventful 2006 season where he entered the season still banged up from motorcycle crash. One concern for Big Ben is that he has missed four games during the last two years. But even with not starting every game, he has out-produced his ADP each year. I look for that to continue. In 2006, Roethlisberger had an ADP of the fifteenth Quarterback drafted, but exceeded expectations producing fantasy starter numbers as the tenth best fantasy Quarterback. He is still developing as a Quarterback and 2006 showed many of his shortcomings. Big Ben finished the 2006 season with 23 interceptions in fifteen games in a run-oriented offense. With the coaching change, and Arians stepping into the Offensive Coordinator role, I expect the interceptions to go down and the completion percentage to improve. Arians is already talking about a wide-open offense with three and four Wide Receiver sets and a more controlled, short passing game. This should help Roethlisberger out-produce his 2007 ADP of the sixteenth Quarterback drafted. If Roethlisberger can produce such good numbers in 2006 in only 15 games, and so many interceptions, I see him being a top six Quarterback in 2007. He has always produced good fantasy numbers, when healthy, but now will be in a more fantasy-friendly offense.
Rex Grossman – Rex Grossman is a Quarterback vilified by many Bears’ fans and fantasy owners for his performance down the stretch in 2006. Even with his poor performance in the last half of the 2006 season, Grossman finished as the fifteenth best Quarterback in fantasy production. I know that surprises many. In 2006, he was drafted as the thirty-fourth Quarterback in fantasy drafts and out-produced expectations by a wide margin. Last year was the only season that Grossman had started more than three games. He is still young and learning. He had twenty interceptions but is working hard to improve his fundamentals this offseason. One of his major problems in 2006 came from throwing off his back foot when there was pressure on the pocket. He is working on stepping up into the pocket to help correct these mistakes. Even though Grossman finished as QB15 last year, he is being drafted as QB26 so far in 2007. I expect Grossman to out-produce that ADP by a wide margin, maybe even enough to sneak into the top ten Quarterback range. The Bears drafted a pass-catching Tight End in Greg Olsen. They also get Mark Bradley back healthy and another year of experience for Bernard Berrian. Rex Grossman is the Quarterback who I have on all of my value lists in redraft and dynasty. He is a very solid QB2 on any and every fantasy team.
Jake Delhomme – Most fantasy footballers have given up on Jake Delhomme after a disappointing 2006 after high expectations. In 2005, Delhomme finished as the twelfth best Quarterback. So, in 2006, fantasy owners drafted Delhomme as QB7 (per ADP) and but he disappointed those owners finishing as QB21. Delhomme did miss three games in 2006 that contributed to the low production. The Panthers as a team disappointed in 2006, not just Delhomme. The running game was not up to what many expect for the Panthers. Delhomme is a Quarterback that produces much better fantasy numbers in years that the Panthers’ running game enjoys success. In fact, his two best years as a NFL Quarterback came when Stephen Davis played very well. In 2007, Delhomme has an ADP of QB21. I expect the Panthers running game to improve with DeAngelo Williams having another year of experience. Delhomme did lose Keyshawn Johnson, but the Panthers drafted Dwayne Jarrett to replace him. Also, Drew Carter gets one more year of experience. News Offensive Coordinator, Davidson, should help as well. Many teams knew what to expect from the Panthers in 2006, so the change should help Delhomme and the running game be more efficient. Jake Delhomme should be a solid QB2 for many fantasy teams in 2007 and maybe sneak into the low QB1 range.
Damon Huard – In 2006, Huard only started 8 games and still finished with a TD/Int ratio of 11/1 and a QB rating of 98. In 2006, only starting half of the games, Huard finished as QB29. That is pretty impressive. With Trent Green now in Miami, and Brodie Croyle getting the press, Huard has an ADP of QB36. Croyle has struggled with injuries and weak arm strength through college and now into the NFL. I expect Huard to be the starting Quarterback in Kansas City sooner than later. Brodie Croyle is not a QB that will win many games for the Chiefs that could also lead to a change. If you are looking for a solid QB3 that could produce as a solid QB2, think about Huard late in your fantasy drafts.
None of the above Quarterbacks are being drafted as fantasy starters but the four drafted as primary backups for fantasy teams have very good chances to produce like fantasy starters and reward their fantasy owners. The other two, Grossman and Huard, are being drafted as QB3 for their fantasy teams and drafted after many lesser Quarterbacks are drafted. Each of these six Quarterbacks should easily out-produce their ADP, and expectations.
Each year, there are several Quarterbacks that are way underrated and undervalued. Most times, it is because they are coming off of an injury-plagued season or because they had a poor playoff stretch. When looking for “sleeper” Quarterbacks, it is best to identify those who have produced at a high level in the past and are being undervalued for some reason. In addition, situation might improve or limit the future productivity of these Quarterbacks.
The following are the Quarterbacks who are good bets to outperform expectations of fantasy owners:
Eli Manning - Peyton’s little brother had a very good year in 2005 finishing as the fourth best Quarterback. He followed that up with a down year in 2006 falling short of expectations on his way to a QB11 finish after having an ADP of QB5. The Giants offense as a whole seemed to take a step back in 2006, with the exception of Tiki Barber. The conservative offense by Coughlin led to Eli having much fewer pass attempts in 2006 than 2005, which hurt fantasy production. Eli improved his completion percentage and had a higher Quarterback rating in 2006, but also had eighteen interceptions. Manning is still a young Quarterback in the NFL. One major concern is the lack of offensive weapons with the retirement of Tiki Barber. In 2007, the Giants drafted a young Wide Receiver in Steve Smith who should help the passing game. Getting Amani Toomer healthy again should help as well. The Giants, and Eli in particular, missed Toomer when he went down with injury. Eli manning is being drafted as the thirteenth Quarterback taken in drafts. He finished as QB11 last year and I see that as a worst-case scenario for Eli. I expect Eli to finish in the eight or ten Quarterbacks in production. Eli has had over twenty touchdowns each of the last two seasons and that trend should continue.
Matt Hasselbeck – The Seattle offense as a whole had a difficult season in 2006. The injury to Shaun Alexander, the loss of Steve Hutchinson, and the injury to Darrell Jackson all contributed to a down year for Hasselbeck, who missed 4 games himself. In 2006, Hasselbeck had his lowest pass completion percentage; yards per attempt average, and Quarterback rating in several years. He did have 18 Touchdowns in 12 games. In the offseason, the Seahawks cut Jerramy Stevens, the starting Tight End, and traded Darrell Jackson, the best Wide Receiver. The Seahawks say they have faith in D.J. Hackett to step up into the void left by Jackson. Also, Bobby Engram is healthy, which should help, as he is a very good slot receiver. The Seahawks signed the veteran Marcus Pollard to replace Stevens. Currently, Hasselbeck is being drafted as the fourteenth Quarterback taken. With a healthy Shaun Alexander, the Seahawk offense should be much more productive. That offense revolves around a strong running game and Maurice Morris did not garner respect from opposing defenses. Just like with Eli Manning above, I prefer to draft Quarterbacks that have performed at a high level in the past. Being able to draft Matt Hasselbeck as a backup Quarterback is a steal. He should perform as a passable starting quarterback, but is being drafted as a fantasy backup.
Ben Roethlisberger – Ben Roethlisberger is a Quarterback coming off of an eventful 2006 season where he entered the season still banged up from motorcycle crash. One concern for Big Ben is that he has missed four games during the last two years. But even with not starting every game, he has out-produced his ADP each year. I look for that to continue. In 2006, Roethlisberger had an ADP of the fifteenth Quarterback drafted, but exceeded expectations producing fantasy starter numbers as the tenth best fantasy Quarterback. He is still developing as a Quarterback and 2006 showed many of his shortcomings. Big Ben finished the 2006 season with 23 interceptions in fifteen games in a run-oriented offense. With the coaching change, and Arians stepping into the Offensive Coordinator role, I expect the interceptions to go down and the completion percentage to improve. Arians is already talking about a wide-open offense with three and four Wide Receiver sets and a more controlled, short passing game. This should help Roethlisberger out-produce his 2007 ADP of the sixteenth Quarterback drafted. If Roethlisberger can produce such good numbers in 2006 in only 15 games, and so many interceptions, I see him being a top six Quarterback in 2007. He has always produced good fantasy numbers, when healthy, but now will be in a more fantasy-friendly offense.
Rex Grossman – Rex Grossman is a Quarterback vilified by many Bears’ fans and fantasy owners for his performance down the stretch in 2006. Even with his poor performance in the last half of the 2006 season, Grossman finished as the fifteenth best Quarterback in fantasy production. I know that surprises many. In 2006, he was drafted as the thirty-fourth Quarterback in fantasy drafts and out-produced expectations by a wide margin. Last year was the only season that Grossman had started more than three games. He is still young and learning. He had twenty interceptions but is working hard to improve his fundamentals this offseason. One of his major problems in 2006 came from throwing off his back foot when there was pressure on the pocket. He is working on stepping up into the pocket to help correct these mistakes. Even though Grossman finished as QB15 last year, he is being drafted as QB26 so far in 2007. I expect Grossman to out-produce that ADP by a wide margin, maybe even enough to sneak into the top ten Quarterback range. The Bears drafted a pass-catching Tight End in Greg Olsen. They also get Mark Bradley back healthy and another year of experience for Bernard Berrian. Rex Grossman is the Quarterback who I have on all of my value lists in redraft and dynasty. He is a very solid QB2 on any and every fantasy team.
Jake Delhomme – Most fantasy footballers have given up on Jake Delhomme after a disappointing 2006 after high expectations. In 2005, Delhomme finished as the twelfth best Quarterback. So, in 2006, fantasy owners drafted Delhomme as QB7 (per ADP) and but he disappointed those owners finishing as QB21. Delhomme did miss three games in 2006 that contributed to the low production. The Panthers as a team disappointed in 2006, not just Delhomme. The running game was not up to what many expect for the Panthers. Delhomme is a Quarterback that produces much better fantasy numbers in years that the Panthers’ running game enjoys success. In fact, his two best years as a NFL Quarterback came when Stephen Davis played very well. In 2007, Delhomme has an ADP of QB21. I expect the Panthers running game to improve with DeAngelo Williams having another year of experience. Delhomme did lose Keyshawn Johnson, but the Panthers drafted Dwayne Jarrett to replace him. Also, Drew Carter gets one more year of experience. News Offensive Coordinator, Davidson, should help as well. Many teams knew what to expect from the Panthers in 2006, so the change should help Delhomme and the running game be more efficient. Jake Delhomme should be a solid QB2 for many fantasy teams in 2007 and maybe sneak into the low QB1 range.
Damon Huard – In 2006, Huard only started 8 games and still finished with a TD/Int ratio of 11/1 and a QB rating of 98. In 2006, only starting half of the games, Huard finished as QB29. That is pretty impressive. With Trent Green now in Miami, and Brodie Croyle getting the press, Huard has an ADP of QB36. Croyle has struggled with injuries and weak arm strength through college and now into the NFL. I expect Huard to be the starting Quarterback in Kansas City sooner than later. Brodie Croyle is not a QB that will win many games for the Chiefs that could also lead to a change. If you are looking for a solid QB3 that could produce as a solid QB2, think about Huard late in your fantasy drafts.
None of the above Quarterbacks are being drafted as fantasy starters but the four drafted as primary backups for fantasy teams have very good chances to produce like fantasy starters and reward their fantasy owners. The other two, Grossman and Huard, are being drafted as QB3 for their fantasy teams and drafted after many lesser Quarterbacks are drafted. Each of these six Quarterbacks should easily out-produce their ADP, and expectations.
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Footballguy
Hey wannabee.
I have a question about the value of future picks in dynasty leagues. A team in my league recently did a trade which gives him a number of older players in key positions. His top two runners are Thomas Jones and Ahman Green (29 and 30, respectively), and Terrell Owens (34) is one of his top receivers. He really doesn't have any young players of note who will step up.
I have this team's 2008 first round pick, but I think his 2009 pick might be higher due to the age of his players.
The question is, how much more valuable is a 2008 rookie pick than a 2009 pick, and what could I expect to get in addition to the 2009 pick in a trade?
Thanks.
I have a question about the value of future picks in dynasty leagues. A team in my league recently did a trade which gives him a number of older players in key positions. His top two runners are Thomas Jones and Ahman Green (29 and 30, respectively), and Terrell Owens (34) is one of his top receivers. He really doesn't have any young players of note who will step up.
I have this team's 2008 first round pick, but I think his 2009 pick might be higher due to the age of his players.
The question is, how much more valuable is a 2008 rookie pick than a 2009 pick, and what could I expect to get in addition to the 2009 pick in a trade?
Thanks.
wannabee
Footballguy
That is a tough one. A just a general estimate, I would say the 2008 pick is worth twice the 2009 pick. There is a good chance that team has issues at RB and is very reliant on TO to carry the team to the playoffs. I will say that a team starting those Rbs and TO is probably a team finishing in the middle third of your league. It probably would not take a lot for that team to be a bottom third of th league team. I would hold tight for a little to see how it plays out. If he has a rash of injuries, you would hate to give away the pick too cheaply. But, I do like the idea of thinking ahead.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
wannabee
Footballguy
my only response so far.
I have been working on them and looking at best to post the rankings, with and without commentary, and how to break it down.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just post the rankings you can add commentary and field questions after that.I for one would be interested in picking them apart even though I do not play PPR.I am more curious about what method you used in creating the rankings than the rankings themselves. As we have discussed earlier this offseason. I know there are a lot of different things you factor into them. Curious about what you ended up with.BTW I am getting on a plane in just a couple days so I dont have long to give this a look.my only response so far.
wannabee
Footballguy
I will try to post them this week. I have a non-ppr draft coming up in a week so it might be a couple weeks before I can post some non-PPR rankings after the draft.Just post the rankings you can add commentary and field questions after that.I for one would be interested in picking them apart even though I do not play PPR.I am more curious about what method you used in creating the rankings than the rankings themselves. As we have discussed earlier this offseason. I know there are a lot of different things you factor into them. Curious about what you ended up with.BTW I am getting on a plane in just a couple days so I dont have long to give this a look.my only response so far.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
No problemo I wouldn't want to show my hand leading into a draft either.I will try to give a look once I get settled in in the desert then.I will try to post them this week. I have a non-ppr draft coming up in a week so it might be a couple weeks before I can post some non-PPR rankings after the draft.Just post the rankings you can add commentary and field questions after that.I for one would be interested in picking them apart even though I do not play PPR.I am more curious about what method you used in creating the rankings than the rankings themselves. As we have discussed earlier this offseason. I know there are a lot of different things you factor into them. Curious about what you ended up with.BTW I am getting on a plane in just a couple days so I dont have long to give this a look.my only response so far.I have been working on them and looking at best to post the rankings, with and without commentary, and how to break it down.
wannabee
Footballguy
As I promised Bia, I will post my rankings. I have them pretty deep, so I will try to post a few a night (12 per) along with a little bit of commentary.
These rankings are for PPR Dynasty leagues. Please let me know if anything stands out. I realize that I swim upstream on many players which will be good fodder for discussion.
These rankings are for PPR Dynasty leagues. Please let me know if anything stands out. I realize that I swim upstream on many players which will be good fodder for discussion.
wannabee
Footballguy
Peyton Manning - obvious QB1. More questions in the running game and an improvement in the rookie slot WR.
Carson Palmer - solid, dependable QB and fairly safe. Should finish as a top 5 QB.
Tom Brady - performed at a high level with average to poor WRs in the past. With Moss, Stallworth, and especially Welker, I expect another solid year.
Donovan McNabb - Has always put up great fantasy numbers when healthy. The Eagles brought in Curtis, who should provide some speed to the lineup. McNabb is a top QB.
Drew Brees - A stellar 2006 helped the transition to NO. I do see a slight downtick due to the loss of the veteran Horn. Colston as WR1, and either Henderson or Meachem as WR2, with Copper and Patten as depth, the Saints WRs are solid. But, I do notice a lack of veteran leadership. A healthy Reggie Bush will make almost every season decent for Brees. The signing of Johnson at TE helps, too.
Mark Bulger - The signing of Bennett offsets the loss of Curtis. McMichael will help and Linehan knows how to use him. I also like the subtle signing of Minor and the drafting of Leonard, both very good receivers. SJackson is a very good receiver himself. So, Bulger has enviable weapons with the venerable Holt and Bruce outside. I see no coincidence in Bulger's healthy season last year and the exit of Martz. Bulger is a very accurate QB with a head coach that knows how to use him.
Vince Young - Love the upside Young provides. The general lack of weapons in Tennessee limits the upside. The Titans lose the top RB, and two top WRs from 2006. I see Scaife breaking out in 2007 (hunch). Also, the young WRs will have a difficult time adjusting to Young (on the fly) the way the vets did last year.
Ben Roethlisberger - I love the upside. He had a top fantasy year last year despite missing time and starting the year recovering from the effects of the idiotic motocycle crash. I like the new offense. I look at it as though I know what Ben did in a conservative offense under Cowher and am excited about the possibility of Ben using 3 and 4 WR sets employed by Arians. Willie Parker saw his carries jump a ton in 2006, we shall see how Parker will be used in 2007. I suspect he will have more catches in 2007.
Matt Hasselbeck - I like QBs that have produced at a high level in the past. Hasselbeck should be healthy by training camp. I see much of his success, or failure, tied to the running game. The injury to Alexander, along with injuries to Hass himself and Darrell Jackson, really hurt the Seahawk offense. MoMo is not the caliber of RB to keep the defense honest and most know that a successful passing offense has to have a threat that a RB can make a play. Hackett, Branch, Engram, Burleson, and the rookies, are plenty good enough to help Hasselbeck to a few more top 10 seasons.
Matt Leinart - A QB with the weapons AZ has will be productive. I do see Leinart as a perennial QB in the QB7-QB12 range. He strikes me as a QB that will be consistent, but will have issues have the truly breakout years. Also, one thing to take note of next year is how the new coaching staff addresses the running game. I do expecta more conservative game plan in 2007 with Green gone, but pass effeiciency should compensate.
Michael Vick - Has some huge games and some stinkers. The running helps minimize the stinker games. The new coach, Petrino, wants better efficienct passes. The WRs have been upgraded with Horn and Laurent Robinson.
Jay Cutler - Denver has two very solid WRs in Walker and Marshall. Walker is star and Marshall looks like he can be. The signing of Graham should help as well. The Broncos had very little TE production with Alexander last year. Also, the improved running game with Henry should help Cutler's growth as a QB.
Carson Palmer - solid, dependable QB and fairly safe. Should finish as a top 5 QB.
Tom Brady - performed at a high level with average to poor WRs in the past. With Moss, Stallworth, and especially Welker, I expect another solid year.
Donovan McNabb - Has always put up great fantasy numbers when healthy. The Eagles brought in Curtis, who should provide some speed to the lineup. McNabb is a top QB.
Drew Brees - A stellar 2006 helped the transition to NO. I do see a slight downtick due to the loss of the veteran Horn. Colston as WR1, and either Henderson or Meachem as WR2, with Copper and Patten as depth, the Saints WRs are solid. But, I do notice a lack of veteran leadership. A healthy Reggie Bush will make almost every season decent for Brees. The signing of Johnson at TE helps, too.
Mark Bulger - The signing of Bennett offsets the loss of Curtis. McMichael will help and Linehan knows how to use him. I also like the subtle signing of Minor and the drafting of Leonard, both very good receivers. SJackson is a very good receiver himself. So, Bulger has enviable weapons with the venerable Holt and Bruce outside. I see no coincidence in Bulger's healthy season last year and the exit of Martz. Bulger is a very accurate QB with a head coach that knows how to use him.
Vince Young - Love the upside Young provides. The general lack of weapons in Tennessee limits the upside. The Titans lose the top RB, and two top WRs from 2006. I see Scaife breaking out in 2007 (hunch). Also, the young WRs will have a difficult time adjusting to Young (on the fly) the way the vets did last year.
Ben Roethlisberger - I love the upside. He had a top fantasy year last year despite missing time and starting the year recovering from the effects of the idiotic motocycle crash. I like the new offense. I look at it as though I know what Ben did in a conservative offense under Cowher and am excited about the possibility of Ben using 3 and 4 WR sets employed by Arians. Willie Parker saw his carries jump a ton in 2006, we shall see how Parker will be used in 2007. I suspect he will have more catches in 2007.
Matt Hasselbeck - I like QBs that have produced at a high level in the past. Hasselbeck should be healthy by training camp. I see much of his success, or failure, tied to the running game. The injury to Alexander, along with injuries to Hass himself and Darrell Jackson, really hurt the Seahawk offense. MoMo is not the caliber of RB to keep the defense honest and most know that a successful passing offense has to have a threat that a RB can make a play. Hackett, Branch, Engram, Burleson, and the rookies, are plenty good enough to help Hasselbeck to a few more top 10 seasons.
Matt Leinart - A QB with the weapons AZ has will be productive. I do see Leinart as a perennial QB in the QB7-QB12 range. He strikes me as a QB that will be consistent, but will have issues have the truly breakout years. Also, one thing to take note of next year is how the new coaching staff addresses the running game. I do expecta more conservative game plan in 2007 with Green gone, but pass effeiciency should compensate.
Michael Vick - Has some huge games and some stinkers. The running helps minimize the stinker games. The new coach, Petrino, wants better efficienct passes. The WRs have been upgraded with Horn and Laurent Robinson.
Jay Cutler - Denver has two very solid WRs in Walker and Marshall. Walker is star and Marshall looks like he can be. The signing of Graham should help as well. The Broncos had very little TE production with Alexander last year. Also, the improved running game with Henry should help Cutler's growth as a QB.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Always enjoy your posts, but I am disappointed in you including Big Ben in the top twelve. He is consistently ranked by most pundits in the 12 to 16 range and he needs to stay there, so that ten team and twelve team leages will allow me to draft him late. 
Kitna missing in the top twelve? Thoughts on Eli manning who I expect around eleven or twelve?
Kitna missing in the top twelve? Thoughts on Eli manning who I expect around eleven or twelve?
wannabee
Footballguy
This is for dynasty so I have Kitna down a little. I will have Eli in the 13/14 range. Personally, I like him more since he has had two seasons of 20+ TDs, but I am a bit fearful on the 2007 situation. I am afraid that a Jacobs failure means no running game and the Giants have decent WRs, and a great TE. I look for Shockey to have a good year as a security blanket. In all fairness to Eli, it really hurt him when Toomer went out last year. Drafting Smith as WR3 (this year), to go with Plax and Toomer will help. Also, the conservative offense of Coughlin does Eli no favors. So, long term, I think Eli is a great buy low. In 2007, could be a rocky year with many highs and lows, but should still outproduce my ranking. Thanks for the comments. My rankings are pretty deep so I will try to find a way to speed up the process so this does not drag out for a month.Always enjoy your posts, but I am disappointed in you including Big Ben in the top twelve. He is consistently ranked by most pundits in the 12 to 16 range and he needs to stay there, so that ten team and twelve team leages will allow me to draft him late.Kitna missing in the top twelve? Thoughts on Eli manning who I expect around eleven or twelve?
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
With all the negatives you recognise surrounding VY I am suprised you have him ranked so high. From that I have to guess you think those WR will mature and Young will have some stellar seasons from 2008 on?
Other than that I like how the list is looking so far with only a few minor quibles. I would not have McNabb as high but I would not have him lower than 7 either. Not sure I like Hasselhoff that high but its hard to argue with the Walrus offense.
How many years are you looking at for your QB rankings?
It must be a longer view than 2 years or else I think Kitna should be up there. I can see him playing another season beyond this one especialy if this year goes really well for him.
Other than that I like how the list is looking so far with only a few minor quibles. I would not have McNabb as high but I would not have him lower than 7 either. Not sure I like Hasselhoff that high but its hard to argue with the Walrus offense.
How many years are you looking at for your QB rankings?
It must be a longer view than 2 years or else I think Kitna should be up there. I can see him playing another season beyond this one especialy if this year goes really well for him.
wannabee
Footballguy
I will try to answer them as best I can. I do a lot of quantitative analysis for the rankings, but a good measure of "gut" has to be applied to sort out the close calls and the injury risk situations.
With all the negatives you recognise surrounding VY I am suprised you have him ranked so high. From that I have to guess you think those WR will mature and Young will have some stellar seasons from 2008 on? Compared to many, I thought my ranking was "low" for VY. I do expect the Titans to address WR in free agency next year. Also, there is a chance Fisher is gone. I think VY can do a lot with minimal help, but the current Titan team is void of offensive talent outside of Young. I like Young's future and would by him in every league, but most value him as a top 5 QB which is too rich for me. Young was QB11 in PPG last year. With improvement expected offset by lack of personnel, this ranking looks right to me.
Other than that I like how the list is looking so far with only a few minor quibles. I would not have McNabb as high but I would not have him lower than 7 either. Another situation I see myself as in the minority. I see McNabb as the lowest member of the top tier. He had the highest PPG of any QB last year. Discounting for injuries only brings him down to the lowest spot in the first tier for me.
Not sure I like Hasselhoff that high but its hard to argue with the Walrus offense. I think much depends on Alexander's health and how the Seahawks address RB in the 2008 offseason. But, I am looking for a bounceback season.
How many years are you looking at for your QB rankings? The years is not exact for me if it is a young QB like the 1-2 year experience guys. But, on average, I use a 2-3 window for most of the rankings. If I see a young QB that cannot (in my view) get to a certain tier, the time frame does not matter and I just make sure to rank accordingly.
It must be a longer view than 2 years or else I think Kitna should be up there. I can see him playing another season beyond this one especialy if this year goes really well for him. Kitna finished as QB6 last year, gets Calvin, but the running game could be a mess. Other than wee 17, Kitna's better games were with a healthy Kevin Jones. The Martz offense thrives on a threat to run the ball. I am not high on Tatum Bell, but do like KJ. I might have Kitna too low, but I think 2007 might be the last year for him as a full-fledged starter for the entire year. At what point do the Lions pull Kitna for Stanton when they are mathmatically eliminated before Thanksgiving (might be a stretch)?
I am willing to discuss and tweak the rankings. I do appreciate the football talk and I do not take any of this personally. I can say that the next rankings of the QBs will have some shockers to many.
With all the negatives you recognise surrounding VY I am suprised you have him ranked so high. From that I have to guess you think those WR will mature and Young will have some stellar seasons from 2008 on? Compared to many, I thought my ranking was "low" for VY. I do expect the Titans to address WR in free agency next year. Also, there is a chance Fisher is gone. I think VY can do a lot with minimal help, but the current Titan team is void of offensive talent outside of Young. I like Young's future and would by him in every league, but most value him as a top 5 QB which is too rich for me. Young was QB11 in PPG last year. With improvement expected offset by lack of personnel, this ranking looks right to me.
Other than that I like how the list is looking so far with only a few minor quibles. I would not have McNabb as high but I would not have him lower than 7 either. Another situation I see myself as in the minority. I see McNabb as the lowest member of the top tier. He had the highest PPG of any QB last year. Discounting for injuries only brings him down to the lowest spot in the first tier for me.
Not sure I like Hasselhoff that high but its hard to argue with the Walrus offense. I think much depends on Alexander's health and how the Seahawks address RB in the 2008 offseason. But, I am looking for a bounceback season.
How many years are you looking at for your QB rankings? The years is not exact for me if it is a young QB like the 1-2 year experience guys. But, on average, I use a 2-3 window for most of the rankings. If I see a young QB that cannot (in my view) get to a certain tier, the time frame does not matter and I just make sure to rank accordingly.
It must be a longer view than 2 years or else I think Kitna should be up there. I can see him playing another season beyond this one especialy if this year goes really well for him. Kitna finished as QB6 last year, gets Calvin, but the running game could be a mess. Other than wee 17, Kitna's better games were with a healthy Kevin Jones. The Martz offense thrives on a threat to run the ball. I am not high on Tatum Bell, but do like KJ. I might have Kitna too low, but I think 2007 might be the last year for him as a full-fledged starter for the entire year. At what point do the Lions pull Kitna for Stanton when they are mathmatically eliminated before Thanksgiving (might be a stretch)?
I am willing to discuss and tweak the rankings. I do appreciate the football talk and I do not take any of this personally. I can say that the next rankings of the QBs will have some shockers to many.
wannabee
Footballguy
Phillip Rivers - capable and the weapons are more than ample
Eli Manning - I like his chances to bounce back within two years. Lack of weapons (esp run game) is a concern for 2007, but I like the outlook. Coughlin's conservatism hurts a ton, too.
Rex Grossman - I know I will hear it. Grossman was QB15 last year even after tanking down the stretch. He had 8 good games out of first 9 in only year with more than 3 starts. I expect further improvement.
Jon Kitna - I love the offense and the weapons. Worry is age, lack of protection in Martz offense, and the possibility of getting pulled late in the year to groom Stanton after Lions eliminated from playoffs.
Tony Romo - Great weapons for one, maybe two years, and has a solid run game to rely on. New head coach could change things. A lot of upside, but some risk. Little depth at wr.
Matt Schaub - A solid young QB on a team heavily invested in him and has a very good WR1 and solid run game. Great QB coach (Kubiak) and should improve.
JP Losman - Improvement in 2006. Evans helps. Lack of any other receiving option hurts. Also, I see a rook RB as a negative.
Jamarcus Russell - Love the upside. Have to be able to wait. The OLine is poor. The running game is less than stellar. Decent weapons. He is a great QB2/3 compliment to Kitna/Favre.
Jason Campbell - Solid WR1, TE, and great run game. We need to see improvement in year two. Showed promise last year. Needs to build on it in year 2.
Alex Smith - most have Smith much higher than I do. I see much more risk than most. I see three injury-prone WRs and a rookie. I see an injury-prone stud RB. I see a young TE with promise that might be a year away. Change in OC, a ton of risk at skill positions, and a solid run game might be enough to limit upside and overvalue Smith.
Tarvaris Jackson - A ton of upside. He will make plays with his legs. He has poor weapons and gets a solid run game. Still raw and probably 2-3 years away from potential that we can judge.
Byron Leftwich - I used to be a fan. I see risk from injury, and a poor wr cast, as reasons to limit his future. He did play well in 2006 before injury, but the Culpepper rumors are not a good sign for the future.
Brett Favre - One of my sleepers for 2006. He gets Jennings back and has a potent Driver/Jennings combo at WR. Will be hurt by loss of Ahman, but VMorency/BJackson should get most of the production Ahman had. Can be a top 10 QB this year once again.
Jake Delhomme - I like Delhomme to be a sleeper this year with an improved run game.
Brady Quinn - Good QB prospect
Drew Stanton - Good young QB Prospect in Martz offense
Chad Pennington - QB3 in most leagues. Hard to start Pennington with confidence. The addition of TomJones should help a little.
D Culpepper - Good buy low for 2008.
Steve McNair - A solid QB2 for 2007. Has good weapons and an improved run game.
D Huard - I like his chances more than Croyle in 2007.
A Rodgers - With this probably Favre's last year, Rodgers could have a chance in 2008 with good wrs.
J. Garcia - Had a solid 2006 in Philly. Brought to TB and has good weapons.
Trent Green - I look for Green to start less than 10 games in 2007, his last year.
J Beck - Favorite to start the games Green does not.
B. Croyle - Should start game one for KC. Has injury and arm strength concerns.
Here are the rest:
Joey Harrington
C Lemon
D. Anderson
D Garrard
Trent Edwards
Josh McCown
K Boller
David Carr
C Frye
K Kolb
C Simms
Quinn Gray
Kellen Clemens
S. Rosenfels
AJ Feeley
G. Frerotte
B Griese
Troy Smith
C. Batch
A Walter
Eli Manning - I like his chances to bounce back within two years. Lack of weapons (esp run game) is a concern for 2007, but I like the outlook. Coughlin's conservatism hurts a ton, too.
Rex Grossman - I know I will hear it. Grossman was QB15 last year even after tanking down the stretch. He had 8 good games out of first 9 in only year with more than 3 starts. I expect further improvement.
Jon Kitna - I love the offense and the weapons. Worry is age, lack of protection in Martz offense, and the possibility of getting pulled late in the year to groom Stanton after Lions eliminated from playoffs.
Tony Romo - Great weapons for one, maybe two years, and has a solid run game to rely on. New head coach could change things. A lot of upside, but some risk. Little depth at wr.
Matt Schaub - A solid young QB on a team heavily invested in him and has a very good WR1 and solid run game. Great QB coach (Kubiak) and should improve.
JP Losman - Improvement in 2006. Evans helps. Lack of any other receiving option hurts. Also, I see a rook RB as a negative.
Jamarcus Russell - Love the upside. Have to be able to wait. The OLine is poor. The running game is less than stellar. Decent weapons. He is a great QB2/3 compliment to Kitna/Favre.
Jason Campbell - Solid WR1, TE, and great run game. We need to see improvement in year two. Showed promise last year. Needs to build on it in year 2.
Alex Smith - most have Smith much higher than I do. I see much more risk than most. I see three injury-prone WRs and a rookie. I see an injury-prone stud RB. I see a young TE with promise that might be a year away. Change in OC, a ton of risk at skill positions, and a solid run game might be enough to limit upside and overvalue Smith.
Tarvaris Jackson - A ton of upside. He will make plays with his legs. He has poor weapons and gets a solid run game. Still raw and probably 2-3 years away from potential that we can judge.
Byron Leftwich - I used to be a fan. I see risk from injury, and a poor wr cast, as reasons to limit his future. He did play well in 2006 before injury, but the Culpepper rumors are not a good sign for the future.
Brett Favre - One of my sleepers for 2006. He gets Jennings back and has a potent Driver/Jennings combo at WR. Will be hurt by loss of Ahman, but VMorency/BJackson should get most of the production Ahman had. Can be a top 10 QB this year once again.
Jake Delhomme - I like Delhomme to be a sleeper this year with an improved run game.
Brady Quinn - Good QB prospect
Drew Stanton - Good young QB Prospect in Martz offense
Chad Pennington - QB3 in most leagues. Hard to start Pennington with confidence. The addition of TomJones should help a little.
D Culpepper - Good buy low for 2008.
Steve McNair - A solid QB2 for 2007. Has good weapons and an improved run game.
D Huard - I like his chances more than Croyle in 2007.
A Rodgers - With this probably Favre's last year, Rodgers could have a chance in 2008 with good wrs.
J. Garcia - Had a solid 2006 in Philly. Brought to TB and has good weapons.
Trent Green - I look for Green to start less than 10 games in 2007, his last year.
J Beck - Favorite to start the games Green does not.
B. Croyle - Should start game one for KC. Has injury and arm strength concerns.
Here are the rest:
Joey Harrington
C Lemon
D. Anderson
D Garrard
Trent Edwards
Josh McCown
K Boller
David Carr
C Frye
K Kolb
C Simms
Quinn Gray
Kellen Clemens
S. Rosenfels
AJ Feeley
G. Frerotte
B Griese
Troy Smith
C. Batch
A Walter
wannabee
Footballguy
Here are the RBs without commentary for the sake of time. I know I have a few much different than most. Please let me know what you think I am way off base on.
Tomlinson
S Jackson
Reggie Bush
Larry Johnson
Brian Westbrook
Frank Gore
Willie Parker
Clinton Portis
MJ Drew
Joseph Addai
Laurence Maroney
Adrian Peterson
Willis McGahee
Ronnie Brown
Rudi Johnson
Kevin Jones
Cedric Benson
Travis Henry
Michael Turner
Shaun Alexander
Marshawn Lynch
M Barber III
DeAngelo Williams
Jerious Norwood
Deuce McAllister
Thomas Jones
Brandon Jacobs
Ahman Green
Edge James
Julius Jones
Vernand Morency
Carnell Williams
Brandon Jackson
Jamal lewis
Lamont Jordan
Ladell Betts
Leon Washington
Chester Taylor
Lorenzo Booker
Kenny Irons
Michael Bush
Mike Bell
LD White
R Droughns
Chris Henry
Tatum Bell
Chris Brown
Deshaun Foster
Fred Taylor
Adrian Peterson
Warrick Dunn
Ron Dayne
Sammy Morris
Michael Robinson
Garrett Wolfe
DeDe Dorsey
Dwayne Wright
Tony Hunt
Ahmad Bradshaw
Kolby Smith
Antonio Pittman
Dominic Rhodes
Ricky Williams
Maurice Hicks
Michael Bennett
Brian Leonard
Marcel Shipp
C Dillon
Kevan Barlow
C Buckhalter
Deshawn Wynn
Michael Pittman
Jerome Harrison
Kenny Watson
Greg Jones
Mewelde Moore
TJ Duckett
Musa Smith
A Thomas
N Davenport
Maurice Morris
Kenneth Darby
Kevin Faulk
Cedric Houston
Thomas Clayton
Dom Davis/Williams
Ciatrick Fason
Eric Shelton
Verron Haynes
Chris Perry
Wali Lundy
Chris Taylor
Noah Herron
Ryan Moats
Tomlinson
S Jackson
Reggie Bush
Larry Johnson
Brian Westbrook
Frank Gore
Willie Parker
Clinton Portis
MJ Drew
Joseph Addai
Laurence Maroney
Adrian Peterson
Willis McGahee
Ronnie Brown
Rudi Johnson
Kevin Jones
Cedric Benson
Travis Henry
Michael Turner
Shaun Alexander
Marshawn Lynch
M Barber III
DeAngelo Williams
Jerious Norwood
Deuce McAllister
Thomas Jones
Brandon Jacobs
Ahman Green
Edge James
Julius Jones
Vernand Morency
Carnell Williams
Brandon Jackson
Jamal lewis
Lamont Jordan
Ladell Betts
Leon Washington
Chester Taylor
Lorenzo Booker
Kenny Irons
Michael Bush
Mike Bell
LD White
R Droughns
Chris Henry
Tatum Bell
Chris Brown
Deshaun Foster
Fred Taylor
Adrian Peterson
Warrick Dunn
Ron Dayne
Sammy Morris
Michael Robinson
Garrett Wolfe
DeDe Dorsey
Dwayne Wright
Tony Hunt
Ahmad Bradshaw
Kolby Smith
Antonio Pittman
Dominic Rhodes
Ricky Williams
Maurice Hicks
Michael Bennett
Brian Leonard
Marcel Shipp
C Dillon
Kevan Barlow
C Buckhalter
Deshawn Wynn
Michael Pittman
Jerome Harrison
Kenny Watson
Greg Jones
Mewelde Moore
TJ Duckett
Musa Smith
A Thomas
N Davenport
Maurice Morris
Kenneth Darby
Kevin Faulk
Cedric Houston
Thomas Clayton
Dom Davis/Williams
Ciatrick Fason
Eric Shelton
Verron Haynes
Chris Perry
Wali Lundy
Chris Taylor
Noah Herron
Ryan Moats
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Now you have gone and done it. I hope this doesent negativly effect your upcoming draft.
On bush at 3 - do you see him getting a significant role as a runner taking away from Duece in 07? It looks that way to me as you have duece being RB 25. I am not convinced yet that Bush can handle the work between the tackles especially at the stripe but I do expect him to take a bigger chunk of the offense this year. I don't greatly disagree with the ranking especialy if your looking long term but what does history say about year 2 for RBs? I would probobly not take Bush until RB9-10.I may be wrong but I have AD at RB 4. 
I am thinking long term here.I think it is interesting you have Ahman just ahead of Edge. Neither are long term answers but both could be solid performers this year.I think Carnell Williams does better than you have him ranked. I like what Tampa has done with thier Oline. Petigout is a good run blocker. I think that is one of his strengths. He certainly did not hurt Tiki in that department any. I think his main weakness is as a pass blocking LT. Him and the young guards are a strong group to help Williams moving forward. Also Garcia is a veteran QB who can keep drives going. My main worry is Chucky throwing the ball too much. But that is not how the offense is built. I guess we will see. Chucky frustrates the hell out of me as a Caddy owner.Are you seeing a 3 headed monster at Rb for the Titans? All 3 are ranked very low.Nice list bee. Still chewing on this one.
wannabee
Footballguy
Bush => all about the receptions in a ppr league. I was impressed with NO's ability to get him the ball in space last year. The Saints lose Horn and I can see some of those catches go to Bush. I think Deuce is used to salt away games with the lead. Deuce will get his, but the Saints will be determined to get Bush his touches every game since he makes plays.Caddy => I think Caddy is a RB who needs high touches to produce fantasy points. He wears down the defenses. But, he has difficulty staying healthy with those high touches. A few things that I considered: a. The WRs will be in flux next yr assuming galloway retired, and maybe Garcia, too b. The presence of Alstot and Pittman taking touches away and maybe the biggest is Gruden might be gone after 2007. If so, and Garcia or Galloway is gone, too, that offense could be in shambles.Titans RBs => I see a 3 headed monster. I cannot see White as a multi-year stud. He has not shown the maturity or discipline to prove he deserves the opportunity (see Brown signing). Brown should only be in Tenn one year. Injuries are a concern. Henry is raw, with potential, but will need another year. Honestly, I could see a Mike Turner, or other FA, in Tenn next year.Now you have gone and done it. I hope this doesent negativly effect your upcoming draft.I am thinking long term here.I think it is interesting you have Ahman just ahead of Edge. Neither are long term answers but both could be solid performers this year.I think Carnell Williams does better than you have him ranked. I like what Tampa has done with thier Oline. Petigout is a good run blocker. I think that is one of his strengths. He certainly did not hurt Tiki in that department any. I think his main weakness is as a pass blocking LT. Him and the young guards are a strong group to help Williams moving forward. Also Garcia is a veteran QB who can keep drives going. My main worry is Chucky throwing the ball too much. But that is not how the offense is built. I guess we will see. Chucky frustrates the hell out of me as a Caddy owner.Are you seeing a 3 headed monster at Rb for the Titans? All 3 are ranked very low.Nice list bee. Still chewing on this one.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I forgot about the PPR aspect when looking at your list. Makes more sense having Bush that high because of that.
Supposedly Caddy has been working hard on improving as a reciever. I guess time will tell if he does or not.
You may be right about the titans. None of those guys excite me either. Even if Brown stays healthy and does well they do not seem willing to commit to him.
DeAngelo Lynch and Brandon Jackson might be better in a PPR than a normal league. All 3 of those guys are pretty good recievers.
Supposedly Caddy has been working hard on improving as a reciever. I guess time will tell if he does or not.
You may be right about the titans. None of those guys excite me either. Even if Brown stays healthy and does well they do not seem willing to commit to him.
DeAngelo Lynch and Brandon Jackson might be better in a PPR than a normal league. All 3 of those guys are pretty good recievers.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Heh. You know me too well.
wannabee
Footballguy
After looking at these two rookie RBs, and DWill (a 2nd yr RB), it is hard for me to be sold on these guys to the point I can move them up to where they are each being drafted. I feel we often forget how rare it is for younf RBs (or any RB) to get up to the level of a legit RB1 in any scoring format. I can see each being a RB2/3, but that is not what the expectations are.Thanks for the feedback. I am always willing to discuss, even re-consider, some of the rankings. I will try to put out the WR rankings tomorrow, without commentary.Biabreakable said:
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wannabee
Footballguy
Here are the WR rankings. I have a could in the WR40-60 range I am not comfortable about. I know many will not like a few of the choices, so let the discussion begin.
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chad Johnson
Andre Johnson
Torry Holt
Larry Fitzgerald
Lee Evans
Roy Williams
Calvin Johnson
Anquan Boldin
TJ Housh
Javon Walker
Plaxico Burress
Marques Colston
Santana Moss
Donald Driver
Terrell Owens
Marvin Harrison
Mark Clayton
Hines Ward
Laveranues Coles
Deion Branch
Braylon Edwards
Jerricho Cotchery
Reggie Brown
Randy Moss
Darrell Jackson
DJ Hackett
Greg Jennings
Dwayne Bowe
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
Chris Chambers
Bernard Berrian
Dwayne Jarrett
Jerry Porter
Demetrius Williams
Vincent Jackson
Robert Meachem
Patrick Crayton
Joey Galloway
Terry Glenn
Sidney Rice
Brandon Jones
Ronald Curry
Anthony Gonzalez
K. Curtis
Reggie Williams
Jason Hill
Drew Carter
Donte Stallworth
Chris Henry
Troy Williamson
Muhsin Muhammad
Devery Henderson
Isaac Bruce
Steve Smith
Ted Ginn
D. Hagan
Matt Jones
Joe Horn
Michael Clayton
Drew Bennett
Chad Jackson
Andrae Allison
Jacoby Jones
E. Kennison
Amani Toomer
Derrick Mason
Joe Jurevicius
Nate Washington
Mike Furrey
Laurent Robinson
Arnaz Battle
Wes Welker
Hank Baskett
James Jones
Mark Bradley
Johnny Lee Higgins
Maurice Stovall
Bobby Wade
Antonio Bryant
Mike Walker
Jeff Webb
Terrence Copper
Michael Jenkins
Paul Williams
Isaiah Stanback
Malcolm Floyd
Bobby Engram
Marty Booker
Bryant Johnson
Travis Wilson
Tab Perry
Ashley Lelie
Domenick Hixon
Samie Parker
David Clowney
David Givens
Shaun McDonald
Ernest Wilford
Koren Robinson
Cedric Wilson
Mike Williams
Courtney Taylor
Eric Parker
Roddy White
Ruvell Martin
Randel El
Jason Avant
Brad Smith
Justin McCareins
Peerless Price
Sam Hurd
Billy McMullen
Sinorice Moss
Kevin Walter
Nate Burleson
Roscoe Parrish
Dallas Baker
Doug Gabriel
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chad Johnson
Andre Johnson
Torry Holt
Larry Fitzgerald
Lee Evans
Roy Williams
Calvin Johnson
Anquan Boldin
TJ Housh
Javon Walker
Plaxico Burress
Marques Colston
Santana Moss
Donald Driver
Terrell Owens
Marvin Harrison
Mark Clayton
Hines Ward
Laveranues Coles
Deion Branch
Braylon Edwards
Jerricho Cotchery
Reggie Brown
Randy Moss
Darrell Jackson
DJ Hackett
Greg Jennings
Dwayne Bowe
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
Chris Chambers
Bernard Berrian
Dwayne Jarrett
Jerry Porter
Demetrius Williams
Vincent Jackson
Robert Meachem
Patrick Crayton
Joey Galloway
Terry Glenn
Sidney Rice
Brandon Jones
Ronald Curry
Anthony Gonzalez
K. Curtis
Reggie Williams
Jason Hill
Drew Carter
Donte Stallworth
Chris Henry
Troy Williamson
Muhsin Muhammad
Devery Henderson
Isaac Bruce
Steve Smith
Ted Ginn
D. Hagan
Matt Jones
Joe Horn
Michael Clayton
Drew Bennett
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Andrae Allison
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E. Kennison
Amani Toomer
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Joe Jurevicius
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Wes Welker
Hank Baskett
James Jones
Mark Bradley
Johnny Lee Higgins
Maurice Stovall
Bobby Wade
Antonio Bryant
Mike Walker
Jeff Webb
Terrence Copper
Michael Jenkins
Paul Williams
Isaiah Stanback
Malcolm Floyd
Bobby Engram
Marty Booker
Bryant Johnson
Travis Wilson
Tab Perry
Ashley Lelie
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Samie Parker
David Clowney
David Givens
Shaun McDonald
Ernest Wilford
Koren Robinson
Cedric Wilson
Mike Williams
Courtney Taylor
Eric Parker
Roddy White
Ruvell Martin
Randel El
Jason Avant
Brad Smith
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Peerless Price
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Billy McMullen
Sinorice Moss
Kevin Walter
Nate Burleson
Roscoe Parrish
Dallas Baker
Doug Gabriel
Packers4ever
Footballguy
Here we go again, everyone seems to want to trade with me for some reason but anyways here it goes.Another team has offered me McGahee for Boldin & J. Lewis or Boldin for Wayne should I take either one of them.My keepers with the first trade Leinart, Westbrook, McGahee, R. Brown, S. Smith, R. Moss and either Heap, Hasselbeck, or chicago DEF.My keepers with the 2nd tradeLeinart, Westbrook, J. Lewis, R. Brown, S. Smith, Wayne, R. MossMy Keepers without the tradeLeinart, Westbrook, J. Lewis, R. Brown, S. Smith, Boldin, R. MossBy looking at your WR ranking the 2nd one seems like a no brainer but I like the first one also since this would give me 3 stud RB's for the future but would leave me hanging at WR. I do not have a 1st round pick that is why I do not what to go into the draft without having 3 starting WR's.So what would you do?
wannabee
Footballguy
I would take Willis or Wayne for Boldin ... no question. I think I would take Willis over Wayve just because of non-PPR league. You should be able to find a couple of WRs to fill the WR3/4 role without much issue. There will be much better served getting a stud RB. Heap should be a fine keeper in Lewis' place. In non-PPR leagues, I place a very high price on RBs getting touches each week and I am starting to think WIllis could have a good year.Good luck.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
6 (2 must be rookies) player keeper league. 10 teams I have the 1.03 draft spot here are some of the players available LT, SA, Edge, TO, Harrison, H. Ward, Driver, Moss, Manning since we can not keep any player taken in the first 2 rounds.
My team:
QB Alex D. Smith, SF
QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
QB Jay Cutler®, DEN (Keeper)
QB Chad Pennington, NYJ
RB Carnell Williams, TB (Keeper)
RB Warrick Dunn, ATL
RB Ahman Green, GB
RB Jerome Harrison®, CLE (Keeper)
RB Travis Henry, DEN (keeper)
WR Chad Johnson, CIN (keeper)
WR Eddie Kennison, KC
WR Javon Walker, DEN (keeper)
His team:
QB Philip Rivers, SD
RB LaMont Jordan, OAK
RB Kevin Jones, DET
RB Wali Lundy®, HOU
RB Joseph Addai®, IND
RB Leon Washington®, NYJ
RB Justin Fargas, OAK
WR Reggie Wayne, IND
WR Deion Branch, SEA
WR Rod Smith, DEN
WR Reche Caldwell, NE
WR Isaac Bruce, STL
WR Greg Jennings®, GB
WR Donte Stallworth, PHI
TE Alge Crumpler, ATL
TE Kellen Winslow, CLE
Rookies can be kept at any draft spot. Standard scoring with no PPR. Starting lineup 1 QB, 2RB's, 3WR's, 1TE.
Travis Henry & 2.08 for 1.06 & 3.06.
If I did this trade I would keep either Green or Dunn or maybe Hasselbeck.
If I knew that SA would be there I would do this trade, would you feel comfortable with Edge as your top RB.
So 2 questions would you do this trade and could you live with Edge being your #1RB?
My team:
QB Alex D. Smith, SF
QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
QB Jay Cutler®, DEN (Keeper)
QB Chad Pennington, NYJ
RB Carnell Williams, TB (Keeper)
RB Warrick Dunn, ATL
RB Ahman Green, GB
RB Jerome Harrison®, CLE (Keeper)
RB Travis Henry, DEN (keeper)
WR Chad Johnson, CIN (keeper)
WR Eddie Kennison, KC
WR Javon Walker, DEN (keeper)
His team:
QB Philip Rivers, SD
RB LaMont Jordan, OAK
RB Kevin Jones, DET
RB Wali Lundy®, HOU
RB Joseph Addai®, IND
RB Leon Washington®, NYJ
RB Justin Fargas, OAK
WR Reggie Wayne, IND
WR Deion Branch, SEA
WR Rod Smith, DEN
WR Reche Caldwell, NE
WR Isaac Bruce, STL
WR Greg Jennings®, GB
WR Donte Stallworth, PHI
TE Alge Crumpler, ATL
TE Kellen Winslow, CLE
Rookies can be kept at any draft spot. Standard scoring with no PPR. Starting lineup 1 QB, 2RB's, 3WR's, 1TE.
Travis Henry & 2.08 for 1.06 & 3.06.
If I did this trade I would keep either Green or Dunn or maybe Hasselbeck.
If I knew that SA would be there I would do this trade, would you feel comfortable with Edge as your top RB.
So 2 questions would you do this trade and could you live with Edge being your #1RB?
wannabee
Footballguy
I would want more for Henry. I expect him to be a top 8-10 RB this season. I expect Edge to be in the RB12-15 range. So, it would have to be very worthwhile for me to give my best RB up in a trade.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
Now he has pulled out of both deals and came back to me with Wayne and 3.01 for 2.07, 3.07 and Boldin. Would you still do the this trade, I counter with Wayne for Boldin and 3.07 but he rejected it. This would only leave me with 2.06 & 3.01 in the first three rounds but I would have my starting lineup already taken care of.
Packers4ever
Footballguy
Players to be enter into the draft M. JonesB. MarshallC. ChambersB. BeirianS. HolmesI. BruceB. EdwardsT. GlennDroughnsDunnCotcheryL. BettsV. JacksonHasselbeckRomoSchaubCulterGallowayMuhammadJ. HornE. KennisonI already know the first 2 picks will be AD and CJII.
wannabee
Footballguy
With these keepers, I would do that deal to upgrade at WR> I have Wayne as a top 2-3 WR in every scoring system. Losing the 3rd rounder is probably equal to Matt Jones or VJax. That, and the drop from 2.07 to 3.01 is not too bad to upgrade to Wayne from Boldin.
Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
Hey everyone, wannabee has a new name. I am going to be going by my "real" name. I will still check in to this thread and answe questions in the forum.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Wow you are a staffer now! Congrats. Pick 12 keepers for me please:HasslebeckKitnaMatt SchaubLTCaddy WilliamsJamal LewisCorey DillonDom RhodesBrian CalhounMike TurnerTorry HoltReggie WayneDon DriverReggie BrownMatt JonesVincent JacksonJoey GallowayLJ Smith Jon KasayJacksonvilleJeff Tefertiller said:
Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
Thank you for the kind words. My spelling/typing will still be bad. Without knowing the scoring or starting lineups, I would choose the following players. A starting lineup allowing more RBs to start or scoring rules might change it a little. But, there are many on this list that will be included, or not, in any league.The easy ones are:HasslebeckKitnaMatt SchaubLTCaddy WilliamsJamal LewisMike TurnerTorry HoltReggie WayneDon DriverReggie BrownJoey GallowayLJ Smith The last cut will depend on two things. If you start 2 QBs, you should keep all three QBs. Also, how many WRs do you start? The last cut should be a RB or WR. I would keep LJ at TE and all four RBs. Hope this helps.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
thanks!Start 1qb/2rb/3wr/te/k/d Non ppr -standar 1/10 rush/rec 1/50 qb all td's = 6 this is a 10 team keeper league, 12 keepers are due on Aug 1. Lost the SB last year. have the 9th pick 1st round.I was thinking keep V.Jax and let Joey and LJ or Schaub go. trying to pull a trade for the keeper deadline and move Driver and/or Schaub for picks.
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