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War in Iraq is "over" - Obama (1 Viewer)

tommyGunZ

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Nine years of waste - both in human lies and > $1 Trillion - is finally officially over. :thumbup:

BREAKING NEWS

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end.

The president made the announcement at a White House briefing following a private video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

"Today I can say that troops in Iraq will be home for the holidays," Obama said.

More than 4,400 American military members have been killed, and another 2,000 wounded since the U.S. invaded Iraq in March 2003.

Obama said the United States will have a "strong and enduring partnership" with Iraq after pullout of troops.

The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president. Obama declared the end of the combat mission earlier this year. The main sticking point has been legal immunity for any U.S. forces that remain.
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Pretty sure the history books will reference Obama as the Albert Pujols of foreign policy. Dude is KILLING IT.

 
'tommyGunZ said:
Nine years of waste - both in human lies and > $1 Trillion - is finally officially over. :thumbup:

BREAKING NEWS

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end.

The president made the announcement at a White House briefing following a private video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

"Today I can say that troops in Iraq will be home for the holidays," Obama said.

More than 4,400 American military members have been killed, and another 2,000 wounded since the U.S. invaded Iraq in March 2003.

Obama said the United States will have a "strong and enduring partnership" with Iraq after pullout of troops.

The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president. Obama declared the end of the combat mission earlier this year. The main sticking point has been legal immunity for any U.S. forces that remain.
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Pretty sure the history books will reference Obama as the Albert Pujols of foreign policy. Dude is KILLING IT.
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Obama was the just the guy standing in the right place at the right time.
 
'Rayderr said:
'tommyGunZ said:
Nine years of waste - both in human lies and > $1 Trillion - is finally officially over. :thumbup:

BREAKING NEWS

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end.

The president made the announcement at a White House briefing following a private video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

"Today I can say that troops in Iraq will be home for the holidays," Obama said.

More than 4,400 American military members have been killed, and another 2,000 wounded since the U.S. invaded Iraq in March 2003.

Obama said the United States will have a "strong and enduring partnership" with Iraq after pullout of troops.

The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president. Obama declared the end of the combat mission earlier this year. The main sticking point has been legal immunity for any U.S. forces that remain.
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Pretty sure the history books will reference Obama as the Albert Pujols of foreign policy. Dude is KILLING IT.
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Obama was the just the guy standing in the right place at the right time.
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Details details...Oh, and Obama wanted more to stay...the Iraqis would not give our guys immunity...so we are pulling out so that Americans would not be subject to trial in Iraqi courts if arrested.

 
'Rayderr said:
'tommyGunZ said:
Nine years of waste - both in human lies and > $1 Trillion - is finally officially over. :thumbup:

BREAKING NEWS

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end.

The president made the announcement at a White House briefing following a private video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

"Today I can say that troops in Iraq will be home for the holidays," Obama said.

More than 4,400 American military members have been killed, and another 2,000 wounded since the U.S. invaded Iraq in March 2003.

Obama said the United States will have a "strong and enduring partnership" with Iraq after pullout of troops.

The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president. Obama declared the end of the combat mission earlier this year. The main sticking point has been legal immunity for any U.S. forces that remain.
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Pretty sure the history books will reference Obama as the Albert Pujols of foreign policy. Dude is KILLING IT.
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Obama was the just the guy standing in the right place at the right time.
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:goodposting: It was mission accomplished long before Obama took office. He's just riding coattails at this point.
 
Any predictions for how long Iraq remains one political entity? Think we're talking years--or months?

 
'sho nuff said:
'Rayderr said:
'tommyGunZ said:
Nine years of waste - both in human lies and > $1 Trillion - is finally officially over. :thumbup:

BREAKING NEWS

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end.

The president made the announcement at a White House briefing following a private video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

"Today I can say that troops in Iraq will be home for the holidays," Obama said.

More than 4,400 American military members have been killed, and another 2,000 wounded since the U.S. invaded Iraq in March 2003.

Obama said the United States will have a "strong and enduring partnership" with Iraq after pullout of troops.

The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president. Obama declared the end of the combat mission earlier this year. The main sticking point has been legal immunity for any U.S. forces that remain.
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Pretty sure the history books will reference Obama as the Albert Pujols of foreign policy. Dude is KILLING IT.
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Obama was the just the guy standing in the right place at the right time.
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Details details...Oh, and Obama wanted more to stay...the Iraqis would not give our guys immunity...so we are pulling out so that Americans would not be subject to trial in Iraqi courts if arrested.
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Thank you Iraqi council or whatever that thing is. Best thing they have done for us in a while!
 
'tommyGunZ said:
Coincidence? Halliburton Company (Public, NYSE:HAL) ]HAL 33.50 -2.81%
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So when you failed by giving Obama all the credit...you stoop to this once it was pointed out (from your own article/quote) that this was the agreed upon timeline already?
 
I remember the days when if you suggested not going to Iraq for any reason at all you were called a traitor, or worse. This was the event where the internet took a nasty turn and the rise of the FauxNews fear based reporting hit it's stride. Not sure we'll ever get that genie back in the bottle.

 
My question is a pretty simple one: suppose that after we leave, the Shiite dominated government begins to ignore their constitution and represses the Sunni and Kurd minorities, leading to violence and chaos. Suppose they then invite their Iranian friends to help them bring about "order"? What should we do at that point? Go back?

I ask because I have always believed that once we left, this sort of result becomes highly predictable.

 
It's time to start thinking about where Obama ranks amongst the greatest POTUS of all time with regards to national defense/foreign policy.

Right after Washington, just above Reagan?

 
'timschochet said:
I ask because I have always believed that once we left, this sort of result becomes highly predictable.
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Perhaps. A bigger question is does it matter that we leave in 2011 as opposed to 2021? If the "result" would be the same, isn't it better to leave now?
 
'timschochet said:
My question is a pretty simple one: suppose that after we leave, the Shiite dominated government begins to ignore their constitution and represses the Sunni and Kurd minorities, leading to violence and chaos. Suppose they then invite their Iranian friends to help them bring about "order"? What should we do at that point? Go back?
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Nothing.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
It's time to start thinking about where Obama ranks amongst the greatest POTUS of all time with regards to national defense/foreign policy.Right after Washington, just above Reagan?
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:thumbup: for bringing our military personnel home.I don't know much about foreign policy. What makes Obama so great?
 
Let's not get too off track here....tens of thousands of husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, sisters, and brothers are coming back and out of danger.

I don't care who started it at this point. I'll worry about that later.

 
A bigger question is does it matter that we leave in 2011 as opposed to 2021? If the "result" would be the same, isn't it better to leave now?
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Interestingly, this is almost word for word what Newt Gingrich said on Meet The Press two years ago.
 
'timschochet said:
My question is a pretty simple one: suppose that after we leave, the Shiite dominated government begins to ignore their constitution and represses the Sunni and Kurd minorities, leading to violence and chaos. Suppose they then invite their Iranian friends to help them bring about "order"? What should we do at that point? Go back? I ask because I have always believed that once we left, this sort of result becomes highly predictable.
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and how is this a US problem? Half of the world is run by dictators. We have way too many problems at home to be trying to solve everyone else's issues.
 
God bless the men and women who have given so much, those that died, those that were maimed and those that won't quite be the same. This is a good day that I feared wouldn't come this soon. The machinations beyond that I suppose can be debated, but I'm happy for this moment.

 
Still. Good job, Mr. President.

And thank you a million times over to those who did the job over there.

 
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This isn't the time for partisan bickering. The number of our young men's lives taken and dollars spent over there is going to stop rising. And that's awesome.

 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'David Dodds said:
Half of the world is run by dictators. We have way too many problems at home to be trying to solve everyone else's issues.
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:goodposting: But I believe that was Obama's argument for joining the battle to remove Moammar Gadhafi's saying something along the lines of " We must protect people from rulers who perform crimes against their own people".. But it is GREAT news we are getting completely out of Iraq.. :excited: :excited: Now to leave Afghanistan.. :popcorn:
 
'tommyGunZ said:
'timschochet said:
I ask because I have always believed that once we left, this sort of result becomes highly predictable.
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Perhaps. A bigger question is does it matter that we leave in 2011 as opposed to 2021? If the "result" would be the same, isn't it better to leave now?
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Not necessarily. John McCain argued back in 2008 that we would have to have an indefinite presence there, much like Korea. This was, and remains, an incredibly unpopular view on both sides of the political aisle. Yet I was inclined to agree with him.Consider: IMO, the decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam was one of the worst foreign policy decisions in American history. For all of Saddam's faults, he represented a Sunni buffer against Shiite Iran, which in geographic and cultural terms remains the biggest threat to our main goal in that part of the world-that goal is to secure a continual cheap, safe, transfer of oil from them to us for as long as it lasts. In order to secure that oil, we need a Middle East comprised of a bunch of competing nations either allied with us or too weak to do us damage. We cannot afford to have one hostile nation dominating the rest, and this is why Iran has always been and remains the biggest threat to us.By removing Saddam and the Sunnis and replacing them with a Shiite regime naturally friendly to Iran, we removed that buffer and made Iran immeasurably more powerful, to our long term cost. For the past several years, instead of Saddam representing the buffer to Iran, it was American troops which, unfortunately, represented that buffer. Our troops were the only ones standing between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Now those troops are gone. If Iran comes to dominate Iraq (which I believe WILL happen) and eventually threatens Saudi Arabia, we will have no choice but to return, at a much greater expense. This is why I think McCain was right and it would have been better to maintain some sort of presence there. The decision to invade in the first place was a terrible one, but I don't much like Obama's pulling out all of our troops now either. I think we'll come to pay for it bigtime.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
'snogger said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
He followed the timeline agreed to by the Bush administration in August of 2008.

Congratulations.
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Why must you rain on Obama's Parade :confused: ;)
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I just want to pinch it off before TGZ has a boardgasm.
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So Obama keeps his promise, great. What exactly is the problem?
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As far as Obama goes, nothing. Kudos to him.The fellating of him by TGZ is a bit over tht top though.

 
'tommyGunZ said:
It's time to start thinking about where Obama ranks amongst the greatest POTUS of all time with regards to national defense/foreign policy.

Right after Washington, just above Reagan?
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If you want to blame Bush for Iraq as a foreign policy failure that's something we can discuss, but crediting Obama for withdrawing our troops from Iraq as a huge foreign policy victory?!?!?!Link

All US forces will leave by 2011, Baghdad cabinet agrees

The Guardian, Sunday 16 November 2008

The US and Iraq will formally commit to a pact that withdraws all American forces from the country within three years, and pulls all combat troops out of most provinces by mid-2009, the Iraqi cabinet announced yesterday. The deal for the first time prescribes a timeline for an American departure from Iraq, which the US president-elect, Barack Obama, had foreshadowed as top of his foreign policy agenda when he takes office on January 20.
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'David Dodds said:
'timschochet said:
My question is a pretty simple one: suppose that after we leave, the Shiite dominated government begins to ignore their constitution and represses the Sunni and Kurd minorities, leading to violence and chaos. Suppose they then invite their Iranian friends to help them bring about "order"? What should we do at that point? Go back? I ask because I have always believed that once we left, this sort of result becomes highly predictable.
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and how is this a US problem? Half of the world is run by dictators. We have way too many problems at home to be trying to solve everyone else's issues.
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It's a US problem because the eventual consequences to our oil supply of a greater Iran which is dominant over Iraq are extremely problematic.
 
This is a bad decision. It's going to cost us It's not worth celebrating.

I really don't like this neo-isolationist trend I'm seeing in politics these days. It's an illusion. We can never go home again.

 
'tommyGunZ said:
It's time to start thinking about where Obama ranks amongst the greatest POTUS of all time with regards to national defense/foreign policy.Right after Washington, just above Reagan?
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I think Obama has been an excellent foreign policy president. Don't much like this decision, but overall he's been great.
 
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