War in Iraq is "over" - Obama (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

2 maybe, maybe not but there's no question that our move into Iraq derailed our mission against AQ and Taliban

Undeniable.

 

[Jewell]

Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq

NYTimes; January 3, 2014; 906 PM

BEIRUT — A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.

The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.

Elsewhere in the province, local tribal militias claimed they were gaining ground against the al-Qaeda militants who surged into urban areas from their desert strongholds this week after clashes erupted between local residents and the Iraqi security forces.

In Fallujah, where Marines fought the bloodiest battle of the Iraq war in 2004, the militants appeared to have the upper hand, underscoring the extent to which the Iraqi security forces have struggled to sustain the gains made by U.S. troops before they withdrew in December 2011.

The upheaval also affirmed the soaring capabilities of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the rebranded version of the al-Qaeda in Iraq organization that was formed a decade ago to confront U.S. troops and expanded into Syria last year while escalating its activities in Iraq. Roughly a third of the 4,486 U.S. troops killed in Iraq died in Anbar trying to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq, nearly 100 of them in the November 2004 battle for control of Fallujah, the site of America’s bloodiest confrontation since the Vietnam War.

Events Friday suggested the fight may have been in vain.

“At the moment, there is no presence of the Iraqi state in Fallujah,” said a local journalist who asked not to be named because he fears for his safety. “The police and the army have abandoned the city, al-Qaeda has taken down all the Iraqi flags and burned them, and it has raised its own flag on all the buildings.”

At Friday prayers , held outdoors and attended by thousands of people, a masked ISIS fighter took the podium and addressed the crowd, declaring the establishment of an “Islamic emirate” in Fallujah and promising to help residents fight the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Iranian allies.

“We don’t want to hurt you. We don’t want to take any of your possessions,” the man told the crowd, according to the journalist, who attended the prayers. “We want you to reopen the schools and institutions and return to your normal lives.”

The extent of the militants’ control over the city was unclear, however. Some local tribes were challenging their presence, and there were scattered firefights, according to another Fallujah resident who also did not want to be named because he is afraid. The Iraqi army fired shells into Fallujah from bases outside the city, killing at least 17 people, and most residents spent the day hiding indoors, he said.

In the provincial capital, Ramadi, tribal fighters have succeeded in ejecting al-Qaeda loyalists, according to Ahmed Abu Risha, a tribal leader who fought alongside U.S. troops against al-Qaeda in Iraq following the “surge” of U.S. troops in 2007.

The tribesmen are cooperating with Iraqi police, Abu Risha said, and are receiving weapons and support from the Iraqi army. Among those killed in the fighting was Abu Abdul Rahman al-Baghdadi, the emir, or leader, of ISIS in Ramadi.

“All the tribes of Anbar are fighting against al-Qaeda,” he said. “We are happy this fight is taking place. We will confront them face to face, and we will win this battle.”

But it was unclear whether all the tribal fighters battling the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants were doing so in alliance with the Iraqi government. The current violence evolved from a year-long, largely peaceful Sunni revolt against Maliki’s Shiite-dominated government that drew inspiration from the Arab Spring demonstrations elsewhere in the region. But it was rooted in the sectarian disputes left unresolved when U.S. troops withdrew and inflamed by the escalating conflict in neighboring Syria. Those disputes include the exclusion of Sunnis from important decision-making positions in government and abuses committed against Sunnis in Iraq’s notoriously inequitable judicial system.

When Maliki dispatched the Iraqi army to quell a protest in Ramadi this week, local tribes fought back. Maliki ordered the troops to withdraw, creating an opportunity for al-Qaeda fighters to surge into towns from their desert strongholds and triggering battles across the province.

Though some tribes have turned against the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants, others have not, said Kirk Sowell, a political risk analyst based in the Jordanian capital, Amman, who edits the newsletter Inside Iraqi Politics.

“Basically, no one is in control,” he said. “The situation was really horrible anyway, and the operation against Ramadi made it worse.”

A group representing the tribal fighters, calling itself the Military Council of the Anbar Rebels, posted a video on YouTube in which masked men declared their opposition to Maliki’s government but made no mention of al-Qaeda. The fighters called on local members of the Iraqi security forces to desert, hand over their weapons “and remember always that they are the sons of Iraq, not slaves of Maliki.”

Whether or how the Iraqi security forces will be able to regain the initiative is unclear. ISIS fighters have steadily asserted their control over the province’s desert regions for months, buoyed by their consolidation of control over territory just across the border in Syria. They are more disciplined and better armed than the tribal fighters drawn into the fray over the past week, and the Iraqi security forces lack the equipment and technology that enabled U.S. troops to suppress the al-Qaeda challenge.

In the past year, al-Qaeda has bounced back, launching a vicious campaign of bombings that killed more than 8,000 people in 2013, according to the United Nations. Sectarian tensions between Iraq’s Sunnis and the Shiite-led government have been further inflamed by the war in Syria, where the majority Sunni population has been engaged in a nearly three-year-old struggle to dislodge President Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Shiite Alawite minority.

Al-Qaeda’s ascendant influence in Syria has given the militants control over the desert territories spanning both sides of the ­Iraqi-Syrian border, enabling them to readily transfer weapons and fighters between the arenas.

In Syria on Friday, there were demonstrations in several rebel-held towns against ISIS’s presence, and in at least one town ISIS fighters opened fire on protesters, echoing the suppression of anti-government demonstrations by Syria’s government in the early days of the revolt. Clashes also erupted between the al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters and Islamist fighters from the newly formed Islamist Front in the rebel-held north, in a sign of growing tensions between Syrians and foreign-influenced extremists.

Most residents of Fallujah do not support the al-Qaeda fighters, the journalist there said, but they also lack the means to oppose them, and they also oppose the Iraqi government.

“It is sad, because we are going back to the days of the past,” he said. “Everyone is remembering the battles of 2004 when the Marines came in, and now we are revisiting history.”

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq

NYTimes; January 3, 2014; 906 PM

BEIRUT — A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.

The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.

Elsewhere in the province, local tribal militias claimed they were gaining ground against the al-Qaeda militants who surged into urban areas from their desert strongholds this week after clashes erupted between local residents and the Iraqi security forces.

In Fallujah, where Marines fought the bloodiest battle of the Iraq war in 2004, the militants appeared to have the upper hand, underscoring the extent to which the Iraqi security forces have struggled to sustain the gains made by U.S. troops before they withdrew in December 2011.

The upheaval also affirmed the soaring capabilities of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the rebranded version of the al-Qaeda in Iraq organization that was formed a decade ago to confront U.S. troops and expanded into Syria last year while escalating its activities in Iraq. Roughly a third of the 4,486 U.S. troops killed in Iraq died in Anbar trying to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq, nearly 100 of them in the November 2004 battle for control of Fallujah, the site of America’s bloodiest confrontation since the Vietnam War.

Events Friday suggested the fight may have been in vain.

“At the moment, there is no presence of the Iraqi state in Fallujah,” said a local journalist who asked not to be named because he fears for his safety. “The police and the army have abandoned the city, al-Qaeda has taken down all the Iraqi flags and burned them, and it has raised its own flag on all the buildings.”

At Friday prayers , held outdoors and attended by thousands of people, a masked ISIS fighter took the podium and addressed the crowd, declaring the establishment of an “Islamic emirate” in Fallujah and promising to help residents fight the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Iranian allies.

“We don’t want to hurt you. We don’t want to take any of your possessions,” the man told the crowd, according to the journalist, who attended the prayers. “We want you to reopen the schools and institutions and return to your normal lives.”

The extent of the militants’ control over the city was unclear, however. Some local tribes were challenging their presence, and there were scattered firefights, according to another Fallujah resident who also did not want to be named because he is afraid. The Iraqi army fired shells into Fallujah from bases outside the city, killing at least 17 people, and most residents spent the day hiding indoors, he said.

In the provincial capital, Ramadi, tribal fighters have succeeded in ejecting al-Qaeda loyalists, according to Ahmed Abu Risha, a tribal leader who fought alongside U.S. troops against al-Qaeda in Iraq following the “surge” of U.S. troops in 2007.

The tribesmen are cooperating with Iraqi police, Abu Risha said, and are receiving weapons and support from the Iraqi army. Among those killed in the fighting was Abu Abdul Rahman al-Baghdadi, the emir, or leader, of ISIS in Ramadi.

“All the tribes of Anbar are fighting against al-Qaeda,” he said. “We are happy this fight is taking place. We will confront them face to face, and we will win this battle.”

But it was unclear whether all the tribal fighters battling the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants were doing so in alliance with the Iraqi government. The current violence evolved from a year-long, largely peaceful Sunni revolt against Maliki’s Shiite-dominated government that drew inspiration from the Arab Spring demonstrations elsewhere in the region. But it was rooted in the sectarian disputes left unresolved when U.S. troops withdrew and inflamed by the escalating conflict in neighboring Syria. Those disputes include the exclusion of Sunnis from important decision-making positions in government and abuses committed against Sunnis in Iraq’s notoriously inequitable judicial system.

When Maliki dispatched the Iraqi army to quell a protest in Ramadi this week, local tribes fought back. Maliki ordered the troops to withdraw, creating an opportunity for al-Qaeda fighters to surge into towns from their desert strongholds and triggering battles across the province.

Though some tribes have turned against the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants, others have not, said Kirk Sowell, a political risk analyst based in the Jordanian capital, Amman, who edits the newsletter Inside Iraqi Politics.

“Basically, no one is in control,” he said. “The situation was really horrible anyway, and the operation against Ramadi made it worse.”

A group representing the tribal fighters, calling itself the Military Council of the Anbar Rebels, posted a video on YouTube in which masked men declared their opposition to Maliki’s government but made no mention of al-Qaeda. The fighters called on local members of the Iraqi security forces to desert, hand over their weapons “and remember always that they are the sons of Iraq, not slaves of Maliki.”

Whether or how the Iraqi security forces will be able to regain the initiative is unclear. ISIS fighters have steadily asserted their control over the province’s desert regions for months, buoyed by their consolidation of control over territory just across the border in Syria. They are more disciplined and better armed than the tribal fighters drawn into the fray over the past week, and the Iraqi security forces lack the equipment and technology that enabled U.S. troops to suppress the al-Qaeda challenge.

In the past year, al-Qaeda has bounced back, launching a vicious campaign of bombings that killed more than 8,000 people in 2013, according to the United Nations. Sectarian tensions between Iraq’s Sunnis and the Shiite-led government have been further inflamed by the war in Syria, where the majority Sunni population has been engaged in a nearly three-year-old struggle to dislodge President Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Shiite Alawite minority.

Al-Qaeda’s ascendant influence in Syria has given the militants control over the desert territories spanning both sides of the ­Iraqi-Syrian border, enabling them to readily transfer weapons and fighters between the arenas.

In Syria on Friday, there were demonstrations in several rebel-held towns against ISIS’s presence, and in at least one town ISIS fighters opened fire on protesters, echoing the suppression of anti-government demonstrations by Syria’s government in the early days of the revolt. Clashes also erupted between the al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters and Islamist fighters from the newly formed Islamist Front in the rebel-held north, in a sign of growing tensions between Syrians and foreign-influenced extremists.

Most residents of Fallujah do not support the al-Qaeda fighters, the journalist there said, but they also lack the means to oppose them, and they also oppose the Iraqi government.

“It is sad, because we are going back to the days of the past,” he said. “Everyone is remembering the battles of 2004 when the Marines came in, and now we are revisiting history.”

This is unbe-fn-lievable.

 

[pantherclub]

Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq

NYTimes; January 3, 2014; 906 PM

BEIRUT — A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.

The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.

Elsewhere in the province, local tribal militias claimed they were gaining ground against the al-Qaeda militants who surged into urban areas from their desert strongholds this week after clashes erupted between local residents and the Iraqi security forces.

In Fallujah, where Marines fought the bloodiest battle of the Iraq war in 2004, the militants appeared to have the upper hand, underscoring the extent to which the Iraqi security forces have struggled to sustain the gains made by U.S. troops before they withdrew in December 2011.

The upheaval also affirmed the soaring capabilities of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the rebranded version of the al-Qaeda in Iraq organization that was formed a decade ago to confront U.S. troops and expanded into Syria last year while escalating its activities in Iraq. Roughly a third of the 4,486 U.S. troops killed in Iraq died in Anbar trying to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq, nearly 100 of them in the November 2004 battle for control of Fallujah, the site of America’s bloodiest confrontation since the Vietnam War.

Events Friday suggested the fight may have been in vain.

“At the moment, there is no presence of the Iraqi state in Fallujah,” said a local journalist who asked not to be named because he fears for his safety. “The police and the army have abandoned the city, al-Qaeda has taken down all the Iraqi flags and burned them, and it has raised its own flag on all the buildings.”

At Friday prayers , held outdoors and attended by thousands of people, a masked ISIS fighter took the podium and addressed the crowd, declaring the establishment of an “Islamic emirate” in Fallujah and promising to help residents fight the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Iranian allies.

“We don’t want to hurt you. We don’t want to take any of your possessions,” the man told the crowd, according to the journalist, who attended the prayers. “We want you to reopen the schools and institutions and return to your normal lives.”

The extent of the militants’ control over the city was unclear, however. Some local tribes were challenging their presence, and there were scattered firefights, according to another Fallujah resident who also did not want to be named because he is afraid. The Iraqi army fired shells into Fallujah from bases outside the city, killing at least 17 people, and most residents spent the day hiding indoors, he said.

In the provincial capital, Ramadi, tribal fighters have succeeded in ejecting al-Qaeda loyalists, according to Ahmed Abu Risha, a tribal leader who fought alongside U.S. troops against al-Qaeda in Iraq following the “surge” of U.S. troops in 2007.

The tribesmen are cooperating with Iraqi police, Abu Risha said, and are receiving weapons and support from the Iraqi army. Among those killed in the fighting was Abu Abdul Rahman al-Baghdadi, the emir, or leader, of ISIS in Ramadi.

“All the tribes of Anbar are fighting against al-Qaeda,” he said. “We are happy this fight is taking place. We will confront them face to face, and we will win this battle.”

But it was unclear whether all the tribal fighters battling the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants were doing so in alliance with the Iraqi government. The current violence evolved from a year-long, largely peaceful Sunni revolt against Maliki’s Shiite-dominated government that drew inspiration from the Arab Spring demonstrations elsewhere in the region. But it was rooted in the sectarian disputes left unresolved when U.S. troops withdrew and inflamed by the escalating conflict in neighboring Syria. Those disputes include the exclusion of Sunnis from important decision-making positions in government and abuses committed against Sunnis in Iraq’s notoriously inequitable judicial system.

When Maliki dispatched the Iraqi army to quell a protest in Ramadi this week, local tribes fought back. Maliki ordered the troops to withdraw, creating an opportunity for al-Qaeda fighters to surge into towns from their desert strongholds and triggering battles across the province.

Though some tribes have turned against the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants, others have not, said Kirk Sowell, a political risk analyst based in the Jordanian capital, Amman, who edits the newsletter Inside Iraqi Politics.

“Basically, no one is in control,” he said. “The situation was really horrible anyway, and the operation against Ramadi made it worse.”

A group representing the tribal fighters, calling itself the Military Council of the Anbar Rebels, posted a video on YouTube in which masked men declared their opposition to Maliki’s government but made no mention of al-Qaeda. The fighters called on local members of the Iraqi security forces to desert, hand over their weapons “and remember always that they are the sons of Iraq, not slaves of Maliki.”

Whether or how the Iraqi security forces will be able to regain the initiative is unclear. ISIS fighters have steadily asserted their control over the province’s desert regions for months, buoyed by their consolidation of control over territory just across the border in Syria. They are more disciplined and better armed than the tribal fighters drawn into the fray over the past week, and the Iraqi security forces lack the equipment and technology that enabled U.S. troops to suppress the al-Qaeda challenge.

In the past year, al-Qaeda has bounced back, launching a vicious campaign of bombings that killed more than 8,000 people in 2013, according to the United Nations. Sectarian tensions between Iraq’s Sunnis and the Shiite-led government have been further inflamed by the war in Syria, where the majority Sunni population has been engaged in a nearly three-year-old struggle to dislodge President Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Shiite Alawite minority.

Al-Qaeda’s ascendant influence in Syria has given the militants control over the desert territories spanning both sides of the ­Iraqi-Syrian border, enabling them to readily transfer weapons and fighters between the arenas.

In Syria on Friday, there were demonstrations in several rebel-held towns against ISIS’s presence, and in at least one town ISIS fighters opened fire on protesters, echoing the suppression of anti-government demonstrations by Syria’s government in the early days of the revolt. Clashes also erupted between the al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters and Islamist fighters from the newly formed Islamist Front in the rebel-held north, in a sign of growing tensions between Syrians and foreign-influenced extremists.

Most residents of Fallujah do not support the al-Qaeda fighters, the journalist there said, but they also lack the means to oppose them, and they also oppose the Iraqi government.

“It is sad, because we are going back to the days of the past,” he said. “Everyone is remembering the battles of 2004 when the Marines came in, and now we are revisiting history.”

This is unbe-fn-lievable.

you can thank GW Bush for that

 

[DrJ]

Al-Qaeda-linked force captures Fallujah amid rise in violence in Iraq

NYTimes; January 3, 2014; 906 PM

BEIRUT — A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.

The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.

Elsewhere in the province, local tribal militias claimed they were gaining ground against the al-Qaeda militants who surged into urban areas from their desert strongholds this week after clashes erupted between local residents and the Iraqi security forces.

In Fallujah, where Marines fought the bloodiest battle of the Iraq war in 2004, the militants appeared to have the upper hand, underscoring the extent to which the Iraqi security forces have struggled to sustain the gains made by U.S. troops before they withdrew in December 2011.

The upheaval also affirmed the soaring capabilities of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the rebranded version of the al-Qaeda in Iraq organization that was formed a decade ago to confront U.S. troops and expanded into Syria last year while escalating its activities in Iraq. Roughly a third of the 4,486 U.S. troops killed in Iraq died in Anbar trying to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq, nearly 100 of them in the November 2004 battle for control of Fallujah, the site of America’s bloodiest confrontation since the Vietnam War.

Events Friday suggested the fight may have been in vain.

“At the moment, there is no presence of the Iraqi state in Fallujah,” said a local journalist who asked not to be named because he fears for his safety. “The police and the army have abandoned the city, al-Qaeda has taken down all the Iraqi flags and burned them, and it has raised its own flag on all the buildings.”

At Friday prayers , held outdoors and attended by thousands of people, a masked ISIS fighter took the podium and addressed the crowd, declaring the establishment of an “Islamic emirate” in Fallujah and promising to help residents fight the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Iranian allies.

“We don’t want to hurt you. We don’t want to take any of your possessions,” the man told the crowd, according to the journalist, who attended the prayers. “We want you to reopen the schools and institutions and return to your normal lives.”

The extent of the militants’ control over the city was unclear, however. Some local tribes were challenging their presence, and there were scattered firefights, according to another Fallujah resident who also did not want to be named because he is afraid. The Iraqi army fired shells into Fallujah from bases outside the city, killing at least 17 people, and most residents spent the day hiding indoors, he said.

In the provincial capital, Ramadi, tribal fighters have succeeded in ejecting al-Qaeda loyalists, according to Ahmed Abu Risha, a tribal leader who fought alongside U.S. troops against al-Qaeda in Iraq following the “surge” of U.S. troops in 2007.

The tribesmen are cooperating with Iraqi police, Abu Risha said, and are receiving weapons and support from the Iraqi army. Among those killed in the fighting was Abu Abdul Rahman al-Baghdadi, the emir, or leader, of ISIS in Ramadi.

“All the tribes of Anbar are fighting against al-Qaeda,” he said. “We are happy this fight is taking place. We will confront them face to face, and we will win this battle.”

But it was unclear whether all the tribal fighters battling the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants were doing so in alliance with the Iraqi government. The current violence evolved from a year-long, largely peaceful Sunni revolt against Maliki’s Shiite-dominated government that drew inspiration from the Arab Spring demonstrations elsewhere in the region. But it was rooted in the sectarian disputes left unresolved when U.S. troops withdrew and inflamed by the escalating conflict in neighboring Syria. Those disputes include the exclusion of Sunnis from important decision-making positions in government and abuses committed against Sunnis in Iraq’s notoriously inequitable judicial system.

When Maliki dispatched the Iraqi army to quell a protest in Ramadi this week, local tribes fought back. Maliki ordered the troops to withdraw, creating an opportunity for al-Qaeda fighters to surge into towns from their desert strongholds and triggering battles across the province.

Though some tribes have turned against the al-Qaeda-affiliated militants, others have not, said Kirk Sowell, a political risk analyst based in the Jordanian capital, Amman, who edits the newsletter Inside Iraqi Politics.

“Basically, no one is in control,” he said. “The situation was really horrible anyway, and the operation against Ramadi made it worse.”

A group representing the tribal fighters, calling itself the Military Council of the Anbar Rebels, posted a video on YouTube in which masked men declared their opposition to Maliki’s government but made no mention of al-Qaeda. The fighters called on local members of the Iraqi security forces to desert, hand over their weapons “and remember always that they are the sons of Iraq, not slaves of Maliki.”

Whether or how the Iraqi security forces will be able to regain the initiative is unclear. ISIS fighters have steadily asserted their control over the province’s desert regions for months, buoyed by their consolidation of control over territory just across the border in Syria. They are more disciplined and better armed than the tribal fighters drawn into the fray over the past week, and the Iraqi security forces lack the equipment and technology that enabled U.S. troops to suppress the al-Qaeda challenge.

In the past year, al-Qaeda has bounced back, launching a vicious campaign of bombings that killed more than 8,000 people in 2013, according to the United Nations. Sectarian tensions between Iraq’s Sunnis and the Shiite-led government have been further inflamed by the war in Syria, where the majority Sunni population has been engaged in a nearly three-year-old struggle to dislodge President Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Shiite Alawite minority.

Al-Qaeda’s ascendant influence in Syria has given the militants control over the desert territories spanning both sides of the ­Iraqi-Syrian border, enabling them to readily transfer weapons and fighters between the arenas.

In Syria on Friday, there were demonstrations in several rebel-held towns against ISIS’s presence, and in at least one town ISIS fighters opened fire on protesters, echoing the suppression of anti-government demonstrations by Syria’s government in the early days of the revolt. Clashes also erupted between the al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters and Islamist fighters from the newly formed Islamist Front in the rebel-held north, in a sign of growing tensions between Syrians and foreign-influenced extremists.

Most residents of Fallujah do not support the al-Qaeda fighters, the journalist there said, but they also lack the means to oppose them, and they also oppose the Iraqi government.

“It is sad, because we are going back to the days of the past,” he said. “Everyone is remembering the battles of 2004 when the Marines came in, and now we are revisiting history.”

This is unbe-fn-lievable.

you can thank GW Bush for that

Yeah, with all the stuff we have to thank Obama for we need to make sure we spread it around some.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Does anyone really expect peace in any of these Mideast nations? Nothing can be done to prevent violence there... You can blame Bush, Obama, HW Bush, but there will always be violence in most of these places.

 

[Ilov80s]

The US is speeding up shipments of weapons, drones, etc to the Iraqi government to fight rebels. In 10 years those weapons will be in the hands of "terrorists" or some Iraqi government that we are at odds with. Round and round we go.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Obama Deploys Up to 1,500 More Troops to IraqPresident Barack Obama on Friday authorized the deployment of up to 1,500 more troops to Iraq in an expansion of the American fight against ISIS militants, the Pentagon said.

If all 1,500 are deployed, it would almost double the American presence in Iraq. The troops will serve in a non-combat role, expanding the U.S. mission of training and advising Iraqi forces, the Pentagon said.

That will include helping Iraqi forces in the highly volatile section of Anbar Province mostly under ISIS control, sources told NBC News. The sites that the additional troops will operate out of will be “where Iraqi security forces are taking the fight to the enemy,” Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said at a media briefing Friday.

A little less than half of the additional troops will be responsible for advising, while about 870 will be tasked with the “hands-on” training of troops, Kirby said. Coalition partners will also assist in the training — financially and by sending their own additional troops, Kirby said.

The U.S. troops will start arriving in Iraq “as soon as this month,” Kirby said, and the training would take about eight months. But Kirby clarified that the Iraqi troops weren’t being trained for a specific campaign, and would continue to combat ISIS “at the same time” of the training.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel recommended the additional troops at the request of the Iraqi government, Kirby said.

U.S. Central Command will also establish centers to train 12 Iraqi brigades, nine from the Iraqi army and three from the Kurdish security forces, the Pentagon said.


Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif. and the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, gave a qualified welcome to reports that Obama was planning to ask for more money for the fight.

“I remain concerned that the president’s strategy to defeat ISIL is insufficient,” he said, using another acronym for ISIS. “I would urge the president to reconsider his strategy and clearly explain how this additional funding supports a new direction. Such clarity is more likely to find swift congressional approval.”

“We need the support of congress to authorize the request,” Kirby said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-deploys-1-500-more-troops-iraq-n243736

See, now it's starting to look like Vietnam.

 

[SIDA!]

Mission Accomplished.

 

[RBM]

Pretty sure the history books will reference Obama as the Albert Pujols of foreign policy. Dude is KILLING IT.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Obama Deploys Up to 1,500 More Troops to IraqPresident Barack Obama on Friday authorized the deployment of up to 1,500 more troops to Iraq in an expansion of the American fight against ISIS militants, the Pentagon said.

If all 1,500 are deployed, it would almost double the American presence in Iraq. The troops will serve in a non-combat role, expanding the U.S. mission of training and advising Iraqi forces, the Pentagon said.

That will include helping Iraqi forces in the highly volatile section of Anbar Province mostly under ISIS control, sources told NBC News. The sites that the additional troops will operate out of will be “where Iraqi security forces are taking the fight to the enemy,” Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said at a media briefing Friday.

A little less than half of the additional troops will be responsible for advising, while about 870 will be tasked with the “hands-on” training of troops, Kirby said. Coalition partners will also assist in the training — financially and by sending their own additional troops, Kirby said.

The U.S. troops will start arriving in Iraq “as soon as this month,” Kirby said, and the training would take about eight months. But Kirby clarified that the Iraqi troops weren’t being trained for a specific campaign, and would continue to combat ISIS “at the same time” of the training.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel recommended the additional troops at the request of the Iraqi government, Kirby said.

U.S. Central Command will also establish centers to train 12 Iraqi brigades, nine from the Iraqi army and three from the Kurdish security forces, the Pentagon said.


Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif. and the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, gave a qualified welcome to reports that Obama was planning to ask for more money for the fight.

“I remain concerned that the president’s strategy to defeat ISIL is insufficient,” he said, using another acronym for ISIS. “I would urge the president to reconsider his strategy and clearly explain how this additional funding supports a new direction. Such clarity is more likely to find swift congressional approval.”

“We need the support of congress to authorize the request,” Kirby said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-deploys-1-500-more-troops-iraq-n243736

See, now it's starting to look like Vietnam.

Coincidence on the timing of this?

This is GOP driven and Obama's first post-election compromise.

 

[Rayderr]

Obama Deploys Up to 1,500 More Troops to IraqPresident Barack Obama on Friday authorized the deployment of up to 1,500 more troops to Iraq in an expansion of the American fight against ISIS militants, the Pentagon said.

If all 1,500 are deployed, it would almost double the American presence in Iraq. The troops will serve in a non-combat role, expanding the U.S. mission of training and advising Iraqi forces, the Pentagon said.

That will include helping Iraqi forces in the highly volatile section of Anbar Province mostly under ISIS control, sources told NBC News. The sites that the additional troops will operate out of will be “where Iraqi security forces are taking the fight to the enemy,” Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said at a media briefing Friday.

A little less than half of the additional troops will be responsible for advising, while about 870 will be tasked with the “hands-on” training of troops, Kirby said. Coalition partners will also assist in the training — financially and by sending their own additional troops, Kirby said.

The U.S. troops will start arriving in Iraq “as soon as this month,” Kirby said, and the training would take about eight months. But Kirby clarified that the Iraqi troops weren’t being trained for a specific campaign, and would continue to combat ISIS “at the same time” of the training.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel recommended the additional troops at the request of the Iraqi government, Kirby said.

U.S. Central Command will also establish centers to train 12 Iraqi brigades, nine from the Iraqi army and three from the Kurdish security forces, the Pentagon said.


Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif. and the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, gave a qualified welcome to reports that Obama was planning to ask for more money for the fight.

“I remain concerned that the president’s strategy to defeat ISIL is insufficient,” he said, using another acronym for ISIS. “I would urge the president to reconsider his strategy and clearly explain how this additional funding supports a new direction. Such clarity is more likely to find swift congressional approval.”

“We need the support of congress to authorize the request,” Kirby said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-deploys-1-500-more-troops-iraq-n243736

See, now it's starting to look like Vietnam.

Coincidence on the timing of this?

This is GOP driven and Obama's first post-election compromise.

What? Did all the elected GOP sentaors say "#### January! We're taking over now!"

 

[fatness]

Obama was the just the guy standing in the right place at the right time.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Bush Administration thought Malaki was there guy, oh how wrong they were. One thing the U.S. has never been good at, is picking leaders of foreign nations. What is happening in Iraq is mostly on Malaki, he was paranoid, inept, and ill-prepared for running the nation once we left. Think partisan politics in the U.S. and then imagine that Democrats are Sunnis and Republicans are Shi'a. Here we can all not like each others opinions but we don't start killing each other over it, over there it's different.

This is not to say the Obama Administration didn't make errors also, but pulling out of that place isn't one of them. What happened in Syria to ignite the rebirth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have been difficult to predict. Arming Syrian rebels was a slippery slope, hindsight says he might have been better off arming the rebels, but this might have happened anyway.

ISIS is a mix of former Saddam supporters and fundamentalists who know nothing but war and death. Hard to stop these kind of people in this part of the world, and week leadership like that of Malaki and the whole situation in Syria made a perfect recipe for carnage.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Bush Administration thought Malaki was there guy, oh how wrong they were. One thing the U.S. has never been good at, is picking leaders of foreign nations. What is happening in Iraq is mostly on Malaki, he was paranoid, inept, and ill-prepared for running the nation once we left. Think partisan politics in the U.S. and then imagine that Democrats are Sunnis and Republicans are Shi'a. Here we can all not like each others opinions but we don't start killing each other over it, over there it's different.

This is not to say the Obama Administration didn't make errors also, but pulling out of that place isn't one of them. What happened in Syria to ignite the rebirth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have been difficult to predict. Arming Syrian rebels was a slippery slope, hindsight says he might have been better off arming the rebels, but this might have happened anyway.

ISIS is a mix of former Saddam supporters and fundamentalists who know nothing but war and death. Hard to stop these kind of people in this part of the world, and week leadership like that of Malaki and the whole situation in Syria made a perfect recipe for carnage.

You really think there are Saddam supporters in Isis?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Bush Administration thought Malaki was there guy, oh how wrong they were. One thing the U.S. has never been good at, is picking leaders of foreign nations. What is happening in Iraq is mostly on Malaki, he was paranoid, inept, and ill-prepared for running the nation once we left. Think partisan politics in the U.S. and then imagine that Democrats are Sunnis and Republicans are Shi'a. Here we can all not like each others opinions but we don't start killing each other over it, over there it's different.

This is not to say the Obama Administration didn't make errors also, but pulling out of that place isn't one of them. What happened in Syria to ignite the rebirth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have been difficult to predict. Arming Syrian rebels was a slippery slope, hindsight says he might have been better off arming the rebels, but this might have happened anyway.

ISIS is a mix of former Saddam supporters and fundamentalists who know nothing but war and death. Hard to stop these kind of people in this part of the world, and week leadership like that of Malaki and the whole situation in Syria made a perfect recipe for carnage.

You really think there are Saddam supporters in Isis?

It's not my opinion, it's fact. You didn't know that?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Bush Administration thought Malaki was there guy, oh how wrong they were. One thing the U.S. has never been good at, is picking leaders of foreign nations. What is happening in Iraq is mostly on Malaki, he was paranoid, inept, and ill-prepared for running the nation once we left. Think partisan politics in the U.S. and then imagine that Democrats are Sunnis and Republicans are Shi'a. Here we can all not like each others opinions but we don't start killing each other over it, over there it's different.

This is not to say the Obama Administration didn't make errors also, but pulling out of that place isn't one of them. What happened in Syria to ignite the rebirth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have been difficult to predict. Arming Syrian rebels was a slippery slope, hindsight says he might have been better off arming the rebels, but this might have happened anyway.

ISIS is a mix of former Saddam supporters and fundamentalists who know nothing but war and death. Hard to stop these kind of people in this part of the world, and week leadership like that of Malaki and the whole situation in Syria made a perfect recipe for carnage.

You really think there are Saddam supporters in Isis?

It's not my opinion, it's fact. You didn't know that?

I am happily not that engrossed in the news these days. - My impression was that there are Sunnis who are assisting ISIS out of disgust with the shiites, but they are not themselves religious fundamentalists and they are not actually part of Isis in that respect. The Baathists were secular and not fundamentalist I do believe...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Bush Administration thought Malaki was there guy, oh how wrong they were. One thing the U.S. has never been good at, is picking leaders of foreign nations. What is happening in Iraq is mostly on Malaki, he was paranoid, inept, and ill-prepared for running the nation once we left. Think partisan politics in the U.S. and then imagine that Democrats are Sunnis and Republicans are Shi'a. Here we can all not like each others opinions but we don't start killing each other over it, over there it's different.

This is not to say the Obama Administration didn't make errors also, but pulling out of that place isn't one of them. What happened in Syria to ignite the rebirth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have been difficult to predict. Arming Syrian rebels was a slippery slope, hindsight says he might have been better off arming the rebels, but this might have happened anyway.

ISIS is a mix of former Saddam supporters and fundamentalists who know nothing but war and death. Hard to stop these kind of people in this part of the world, and week leadership like that of Malaki and the whole situation in Syria made a perfect recipe for carnage.

You really think there are Saddam supporters in Isis?

It's not my opinion, it's fact. You didn't know that?

I am happily not that engrossed in the news these days. - My impression was that there are Sunnis who are assisting ISIS out of disgust with the shiites, but they are not themselves religious fundamentalists and they are not actually part of Isis in that respect. The Baathists were secular and not fundamentalist I do believe...

Were is the key word.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Bush Administration thought Malaki was there guy, oh how wrong they were. One thing the U.S. has never been good at, is picking leaders of foreign nations. What is happening in Iraq is mostly on Malaki, he was paranoid, inept, and ill-prepared for running the nation once we left. Think partisan politics in the U.S. and then imagine that Democrats are Sunnis and Republicans are Shi'a. Here we can all not like each others opinions but we don't start killing each other over it, over there it's different.

This is not to say the Obama Administration didn't make errors also, but pulling out of that place isn't one of them. What happened in Syria to ignite the rebirth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have been difficult to predict. Arming Syrian rebels was a slippery slope, hindsight says he might have been better off arming the rebels, but this might have happened anyway.

ISIS is a mix of former Saddam supporters and fundamentalists who know nothing but war and death. Hard to stop these kind of people in this part of the world, and week leadership like that of Malaki and the whole situation in Syria made a perfect recipe for carnage.

You really think there are Saddam supporters in Isis?

It's not my opinion, it's fact. You didn't know that?

I am happily not that engrossed in the news these days. - My impression was that there are Sunnis who are assisting ISIS out of disgust with the shiites, but they are not themselves religious fundamentalists and they are not actually part of Isis in that respect. The Baathists were secular and not fundamentalist I do believe...

Were is the key word.

Incredible, will read, thanks.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I dunno...

"Many Baathists see ISIS as puritanical terrorists, and one can understand why. And ISIS certainly sees the Baathists as smoking, drinking ne'er do wells.... I think the Baathists are starting to get it that this potentially is a gross miscalculation" to think the two sides could work together, Tayler said.

Like I said, I don't think the baathists went fundy, they merely assisted ISIS. But they are cut from different cloth in the end.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I dunno...

"Many Baathists see ISIS as puritanical terrorists, and one can understand why. And ISIS certainly sees the Baathists as smoking, drinking ne'er do wells.... I think the Baathists are starting to get it that this potentially is a gross miscalculation" to think the two sides could work together, Tayler said.

Like I said, I don't think the baathists went fundy, they merely assisted ISIS. But they are cut from different cloth in the end.

A lot of ISIS are former Sadaam generals including the vice president of Iraq's Revolutionary Council.

Please continue to craft your opinion based on your domestic political affiliation.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

ISIS and JRTN aren't natural allies. The former wants to erase Iraq's current borders and establish a caliphate, while the latter has been a largely secular movement that seeks to regain the official power and influence it held before the U.S. invasion in 2003. But they are aligned in their opposition to, and hatred of, outgoing Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite-dominated government. Each side wants him to go, and JRTN recognizes that ISIS stands the best chance of violently overthrowing the Iranian-backed regime in Baghdad.

"The Baathists and ISIS had a marriage of convenience at the start of the takeover of Mosul," said Letta Tayler, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch and a former journalist, who has reported extensively from Iraq on ISIS's human rights abuses and persecution of Shiites and religious minorities. "Baathists got muscle from ISIS, and ISIS got local legitimacy through the Baathists."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I dunno...

"Many Baathists see ISIS as puritanical terrorists, and one can understand why. And ISIS certainly sees the Baathists as smoking, drinking ne'er do wells.... I think the Baathists are starting to get it that this potentially is a gross miscalculation" to think the two sides could work together, Tayler said.

Like I said, I don't think the baathists went fundy, they merely assisted ISIS. But they are cut from different cloth in the end.

A lot of ISIS are former Sadaam generals including the vice president of Iraq's Revolutionary Council.

Please continue to craft your opinion based on your domestic political affiliation.

I don't have one. Sorry, thought I was speaking objectively and just quoted from the article with my impressions.

Always appreciate your insights DD, thanks for the article.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I dunno...

"Many Baathists see ISIS as puritanical terrorists, and one can understand why. And ISIS certainly sees the Baathists as smoking, drinking ne'er do wells.... I think the Baathists are starting to get it that this potentially is a gross miscalculation" to think the two sides could work together, Tayler said.

Like I said, I don't think the baathists went fundy, they merely assisted ISIS. But they are cut from different cloth in the end.

A lot of ISIS are former Sadaam generals including the vice president of Iraq's Revolutionary Council.

Please continue to craft your opinion based on your domestic political affiliation.

I don't have one. Sorry, thought I was speaking objectively and just quoted from the article with my impressions.

Always appreciate your insights DD, thanks for the article.

Good