Was Baltimore smart or stupid yesterday? (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

So baltimore trades up to get anotehr strong armed QB in the draft who is a bit raw in Flacco. I like the guy, but considering how far the other two fell, and how much they gave up to move up, was this the smart move?

Also, FLacco could turn out to be Boller part II. To me, if they were thinking Flacco, they should have waited.

 

[Blackjacks]

The Ravens got a tip that the NYJ were looking to trade back into the 1st and acquire Flacco. If he was their guy it was a good move. I still think Boller starts this year.

 

[Mustang Man]

The Ravens got a tip that the NYJ were looking to trade back into the 1st and acquire Flacco. If he was their guy it was a good move. I still think Boller starts this year.

You are right know way Facco starts this season. Out of the top 4 qb (Ryan, Henne, Brohm, Flacco) Flacco is the least ready to play. He has as much talent but he is the least ready to play. Boller should get the stat but if Troy Smith has a great mini camp and pre-season he could beat him out. The Ravens know Boller is nothing more then a back up.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'm a big fan of Flacco, as are the Ravens apparently.

The bottom line is that they got their QB, regardless of how it went down.

If he turns out to be the franchise QB that they hope he will become, no one will ever care if they got him at 26 or 18.

 

[phillyfan72]

I'm a big fan of Flacco, as are the Ravens apparently.The bottom line is that they got their QB, regardless of how it went down.If he turns out to be the franchise QB that they hope he will become, no one will ever care if they got him at 26 or 18.

Agreed. Remember, the Ravens traded out of the #8 spot and got a good deal in return. All of the talk was that there were many teams looking to trade up into the bottom of round one to get a QB, and everyone knew the Ravens were taking a QB with their first pick. They got who they wanted, and they still ended up with more picks, sounds like they did a good job to me, and I am not a Ravens fan.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Flacco seems to have a flaky demeanor. Maybe it's the unibrow...maybe it's the soft-spoken nature. Either way, he doesn't exactly scream leader in the huddle. In fact, I think his leadership (or lack of) was a negative of him entering the draft.

Ironically, Troy Smith received a lot of positive press b/c of Raven players respecting his huddle/leadership presence. To make matters worse, a few Ravens players have hinted that Boller does not have the same presence as Smith. It'll be interesting to see how the vets (Heap, Mason, Clayton, Williams, etc) perceive Flacco when he'll most likely remind them of Boller...and not Smith.

 

[obxlegends]

I'm a big fan of Flacco, as are the Ravens apparently.The bottom line is that they got their QB, regardless of how it went down.If he turns out to be the franchise QB that they hope he will become, no one will ever care if they got him at 26 or 18.

Agreed. Remember, the Ravens traded out of the #8 spot and got a good deal in return. All of the talk was that there were many teams looking to trade up into the bottom of round one to get a QB, and everyone knew the Ravens were taking a QB with their first pick. They got who they wanted, and they still ended up with more picks, sounds like they did a good job to me, and I am not a Ravens fan.

They got their second choice (Ryan) and still walk away with more picks then they had coming in. How can this be stupid?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Flacco seems to have a flaky demeanor. Maybe it's the unibrow...maybe it's the soft-spoken nature. Either way, he doesn't exactly scream leader in the huddle. In fact, I think his leadership (or lack of) was a negative of him entering the draft.Ironically, Troy Smith received a lot of positive press b/c of Raven players respecting his huddle/leadership presence. To make matters worse, a few Ravens players have hinted that Boller does not have the same presence as Smith. It'll be interesting to see how the vets (Heap, Mason, Clayton, Williams, etc) perceive Flacco when he'll most likely remind them of Boller...and not Smith.

Eli was given the same title as a guy that was not a leader.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Flacco seems to have a flaky demeanor. Maybe it's the unibrow...maybe it's the soft-spoken nature. Either way, he doesn't exactly scream leader in the huddle. In fact, I think his leadership (or lack of) was a negative of him entering the draft.Ironically, Troy Smith received a lot of positive press b/c of Raven players respecting his huddle/leadership presence. To make matters worse, a few Ravens players have hinted that Boller does not have the same presence as Smith. It'll be interesting to see how the vets (Heap, Mason, Clayton, Williams, etc) perceive Flacco when he'll most likely remind them of Boller...and not Smith.

Eli was given the same title as a guy that was not a leader.

...same with Carr and Harrington.

 

[twitch]

Baltimore is right up there with San Diego, New England and the Colts as one of the 4 or 5 best drafting teams in the NFL. No one is better at talent evaluation than Ozzie Newsome. Having said that, he's yet to hit even a single, let alone a homerun with a QB. So, its a fair question to ask. No one knows whether Flacco is going to pan out, so that question'll ride for 3 or 4 years. I love Ray Rice as a compliment RB to McGahee. And the Ravens still have 3 3rds. They know what theyre doing. You just cant honestly grade this draft for atleast 3 years because of the QB.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Flacco seems to have a flaky demeanor. Maybe it's the unibrow...maybe it's the soft-spoken nature. Either way, he doesn't exactly scream leader in the huddle. In fact, I think his leadership (or lack of) was a negative of him entering the draft.

Yeah, he's too unlike those holy terrors Eli Manning and Carson Palmer to be successful in the NFL.

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

As a Bengal fan, I'm thrilled.

 

[Jason Wood]

This won't be the popular opinion on the Sunday of draft day, but WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

Clearly they think they have their new franchise QB. If they're right, what they gave up to get him was excellent value. If he's another QB they judged incorrectly; it will set the franchise back another year or two. :X

I'm not personally inclined to believe Flacco is worth the pick; but I've said many times over that I'm not an NFL talent evaluator and neither are the rest of us; so let's just wait and see.

 

[T Bell]

This won\'t be the popular opinion on the Sunday of draft day, but WE JUST DON\'T KNOW.

Clearly they think they have their new franchise QB. If they\'re right, what they gave up to get him was excellent value. If he\'s another QB they judged incorrectly; it will set the franchise back another year or two.

I\'m not personally inclined to believe Flacco is worth the pick; but I\'ve said many times over that I\'m not an NFL talent evaluator and neither are the rest of us; so let\'s just wait and see.

Interesting to see your thinking evolve on such things:

The odd thing about Pasquarelli\'s column is the certainty. He doesn\'t write it as if that\'s a possible reason for the trade or that Campbell is one of a handful of players the Redskins covet. Very odd way to write an article, particularly given his open disdain for the Redskins organization.

Personally, to me, this screams of Len P getting a real scoop and then trying to screw over Snyder and the Skins by making the deal public (thus giving other teams a chance to make moves in front of 1.25).

I will say this, if Washington really did just give up three picks, including a 2006 1st rounder for Jason Campbell, it\'s yet another in a long line of boneheaded moves by Synder.

 

[KCC]

This won't be the popular opinion on the Sunday of draft day, but WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

Clearly they think they have their new franchise QB. If they're right, what they gave up to get him was excellent value. If he's another QB they judged incorrectly; it will set the franchise back another year or two.

I'm not personally inclined to believe Flacco is worth the pick; but I've said many times over that I'm not an NFL talent evaluator and neither are the rest of us; so let's just wait and see.

Agreed, but I also don't think the NFL-talent-evaluator bar is set too high given some of their success rates .

 

[Jason Wood]

This won\'t be the popular opinion on the Sunday of draft day, but WE JUST DON\'T KNOW.

Clearly they think they have their new franchise QB. If they\'re right, what they gave up to get him was excellent value. If he\'s another QB they judged incorrectly; it will set the franchise back another year or two.

I\'m not personally inclined to believe Flacco is worth the pick; but I\'ve said many times over that I\'m not an NFL talent evaluator and neither are the rest of us; so let\'s just wait and see.

Interesting to see your thinking evolve on such things:

The odd thing about Pasquarelli\'s column is the certainty. He doesn\'t write it as if that\'s a possible reason for the trade or that Campbell is one of a handful of players the Redskins covet. Very odd way to write an article, particularly given his open disdain for the Redskins organization.

Personally, to me, this screams of Len P getting a real scoop and then trying to screw over Snyder and the Skins by making the deal public (thus giving other teams a chance to make moves in front of 1.25).

I will say this, if Washington really did just give up three picks, including a 2006 1st rounder for Jason Campbell, it\'s yet another in a long line of boneheaded moves by Synder.

I have changed quite a bit; and have talked about it on the forums over the last few months. Call it draft fatigue or whatever but I finally hit the point this year where I just realized that 99.9% of everything we all think is based on very limited information [how many of these guys do we really see play and, absent of studying film and breaking down their snaps, do we really know what to look for]. When NFL teams and their multi-million talent evaluators basically do no better than a 50% hit rate IN A GOOD DRAFT YEAR; it just seems silly to argue vehemently on a forum about any pick. As a fan, it's inevitable we're going to feel certain ways about certain guys; and that's all fine and good. But looking back at draft grades and commentary from a few years ago is about as embarrassing an exercise at it gets; almost no one sounds smart reacting to a draft the day it's happening when you look back in retrospect.I promised myself I would just let the chips fall where they may this year and, I thought I had been doing a good job of it until the last hour or so. Now I'm pretty much morbidly depressed about the Eagles weekend and I really felt I had steeled myself against that.

 

[beermutts52]

Difference between Flacco and Boller is , Cam Cameron loves Flacco and Billick loved Boller. We all know Billick's history with QB's.

 

[Jason Wood]

Difference between Flacco and Boller is , Cam Cameron loves Flacco and Billick loved Boller. We all know Billick's history with QB's.

You don't honestly think Cam Cameron had much input in the Ravens draft, do you?

 

[bonesman]

The Ravens got a tip that the NYJ were looking to trade back into the 1st and acquire Flacco. If he was their guy it was a good move. I still think Boller starts this year.

I hope he comes in and goes Derrek Anderson on that ###. However, I see nothing from his 8 starts last year that leads me to believe he has it in him.

 

[North]

Smart- Traded down and received picks and still got their QB of the future. We will have to wait a few years to see if Flacco pans out but at least they weren't willing to sit around and wait for someone to fall to them. If they would have waited he would have been gone at the end of round 1.

On a side note I believe if he signs and learns the system quickly he should be the starter week 1. If you start Boller you are content on missing the playoffs and having a lost season. If thats the case then why don't you give the kid a chance to get use to the pro game and gain some experience?

 

[Brownsfan07]

screw the ravens! they'll still suck at QB. guaranteed.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The trade down was horrendous. You dont give away a free 3rd round pick (value) in the NFL.

Moving up to get a QB they like, that was fine.

 

[North]

The trade down was horrendous. You dont give away a free 3rd round pick (value) in the NFL.Moving up to get a QB they like, that was fine.

I think what they did was good for the team. Experts have said that what they did to Jax was like robbing the blind. They were able to move down and get the Jags 28th pick, 2 third rounders and a 4th rounder. So they give away one of the 3rds they got to move back up to get the guy they believe will be their franchise QB, they still have another 3rd from the previous deal and a 4th and they're able to get the player they want.I agree that their track record with QB's hasn't been great (the best one they drafted they cut and look at him now, pick 216 2005).I think they're on the right track with Flacco. Although he comes from a nubbins school, he has all the tools required to be successful in the NFL.

 

[stugnut]

I promised myself I would just let the chips fall where they may this year and, I thought I had been doing a good job of it until the last hour or so. Now I'm pretty much morbidly depressed about the Eagles weekend and I really felt I had steeled myself against that.

I agree that it takes a lot more perspective than 24 hours to be able to "grade" a teams draft and to further illustrate that point, you might find it interesting that NBC Sports graded out every teams draft so far and only one team got an "A+":The Philadelphia Eagles

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The trade down was horrendous. You dont give away a free 3rd round pick (value) in the NFL.Moving up to get a QB they like, that was fine.

I think what they did was good for the team. Experts have said that what they did to Jax was like robbing the blind. They were able to move down and get the Jags 28th pick, 2 third rounders and a 4th rounder. So they give away one of the 3rds they got to move back up to get the guy they believe will be their franchise QB, they still have another 3rd from the previous deal and a 4th and they're able to get the player they want.I agree that their track record with QB's hasn't been great (the best one they drafted they cut and look at him now, pick 216 2005).I think they're on the right track with Flacco. Although he comes from a nubbins school, he has all the tools required to be successful in the NFL.

The initial trade... moving down with the Jags... they were shorted on the returned value. How short? The value of a 3rd. Should have been made up in '09.You don't give away those type of players. Look at the value of the third round this year, tons of high quality prospects.Then they traded (as opposed to gave) away a little more to move up, which was perfectly fine.

 

[NYRAGE]

The Ravens got a tip that the NYJ were looking to trade back into the 1st and acquire Flacco. If he was their guy it was a good move. I still think Boller starts this year.

fwiwfrom today's NY Daily Newselaware QB Joe Flacco was the biggest reach, with the Ravens taking him at No. 18. But reports in Baltimore say the Ravens were concerned about the Jets trading up from No. 36 to get him, so after the Ravens traded down from No. 8 to the Jaguars' spot at No. 26 after they couldn't trade up to No. 2 to get Matt Ryan, they moved back up to Houston's spot for Flacco. But sources said the Jets had absolutely no interest in trading up for Flacco.