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While I understand your overall viewpoint, it's comments like these that make us all goChase Stuart said:
First four seasons:
Comp Att Comp% Yards YPA TD TD% Int Int%Bledsoe 1310 2379 55.1% 14642 6.15 80 3.36% 73 3.07%Palmer 1305 2036 64.1% 14899 7.32 104 5.11% 63 3.09%
Drew Bledsoe threw for 4,555 yards his second year in the league and made the Pro Bowl. He took his team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year, and made the Pro Bowl. He then made the Pro Bowl in his fifth year, too.Bledsoe was pretty much considered on the level of Palmer after five seasons. It's easy to say in retrospect that Bledsoe was meh, but that's exactly my point. Who's to say we won't argue in ten years that Carson Palmer made one playoff game in his first five seasons, and he put up great numbers only because of his stud WRs? Is that likely? No. But stranger things have happened.I'm pretty anti-Bledsoe, but his reputation back in the mid-'90s was sky high.While I understand your overall viewpoint, it's comments like these that make us all goChase Stuart said:Palmer was clearly superior in Comp%, YPA, and TD%. Bledsoe started 'meh' and continued to be 'meh' throughout his career. Palmer started 'wow'. There's no comparison.Code:Comp Att Comp% Yards YPA TD TD% Int Int%Bledsoe 1310 2379 55.1% 14642 6.15 80 3.36% 73 3.07%Palmer 1305 2036 64.1% 14899 7.32 104 5.11% 63 3.09%
I don't recall Bledsoe being universally considered a top 3 QB, as Palmer is now. Young, Elway, Marino, Favre, and possibly Kelly were all more well regarded than Bledsoe. I recall Bledsoe being a guy that threw the ball a LOT but never made any special plays that turned your head. He was atrocious in that Super Bowl run, too.Drew Bledsoe threw for 4,555 yards his second year in the league and made the Pro Bowl. He took his team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year, and made the Pro Bowl. He then made the Pro Bowl in his fifth year, too.While I understand your overall viewpoint, it's comments like these that make us all goChase Stuart said:First four seasons:
Comp Att Comp% Yards YPA TD TD% Int Int%Bledsoe 1310 2379 55.1% 14642 6.15 80 3.36% 73 3.07%Palmer 1305 2036 64.1% 14899 7.32 104 5.11% 63 3.09%Palmer was clearly superior in Comp%, YPA, and TD%. Bledsoe started 'meh' and continued to be 'meh' throughout his career. Palmer started 'wow'. There's no comparison.
Bledsoe was pretty much considered on the level of Palmer after five seasons. It's easy to say in retrospect that Bledsoe was meh, but that's exactly my point. Who's to say we won't argue in ten years that Carson Palmer made one playoff game in his first five seasons, and he put up great numbers only because of his stud WRs? Is that likely? No. But stranger things have happened.
I'm pretty anti-Bledsoe, but his reputation back in the mid-'90s was sky high.
Who says Palmer is considered a top 3 QB? In saying that, you are obviously slotting Peyton and Brady ahead of him. So you are saying that Palmer is universally considered to be better than Brees and Romo? I disagree. Some would rank Roethlisberger higher. And, while at different points in their careers, Favre clearly would be ranked ahead of Palmer in this type of discussion, since Palmer is unlikely to ever reach Favre's accomplishments (who is, besides Peyton?). I'm in your camp on this issue, but you are exaggerating here.I don't recall Bledsoe being universally considered a top 3 QB, as Palmer is now. Young, Elway, Marino, Favre, and possibly Kelly were all more well regarded than Bledsoe. I recall Bledsoe being a guy that threw the ball a LOT but never made any special plays that turned your head. He was atrocious in that Super Bowl run, too.Drew Bledsoe threw for 4,555 yards his second year in the league and made the Pro Bowl. He took his team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year, and made the Pro Bowl. He then made the Pro Bowl in his fifth year, too.While I understand your overall viewpoint, it's comments like these that make us all goChase Stuart said:First four seasons:
Comp Att Comp% Yards YPA TD TD% Int Int%Bledsoe 1310 2379 55.1% 14642 6.15 80 3.36% 73 3.07%Palmer 1305 2036 64.1% 14899 7.32 104 5.11% 63 3.09%Palmer was clearly superior in Comp%, YPA, and TD%. Bledsoe started 'meh' and continued to be 'meh' throughout his career. Palmer started 'wow'. There's no comparison.
Bledsoe was pretty much considered on the level of Palmer after five seasons. It's easy to say in retrospect that Bledsoe was meh, but that's exactly my point. Who's to say we won't argue in ten years that Carson Palmer made one playoff game in his first five seasons, and he put up great numbers only because of his stud WRs? Is that likely? No. But stranger things have happened.
I'm pretty anti-Bledsoe, but his reputation back in the mid-'90s was sky high.
Chase used the word yetHe's not necessarily disagreeing with you guys
Noted, and the Bledsoe example is a good one. Still, I think that Palmer's floor will be as another bledsoe, and bledsoe's "meh" is also accounted for by what Brady did (kind of the same way dungy was regarded when Chucky came in and won a SB with tampa)Chase Stuart said:
Not a big story; just #1 to the NFL and #2 to the AFL. That sort of stuff happened pretty regularly before the common draft.For example, Namath was the #1 pick to the Jets in the AFL. The Giants had the #1 pick that year, but most believe didn't take Namath because they feared the huge backlash in NY of being the "second team" if Namath signed with the Jets.
Um, yeah ok...and you're the same guy who says David Garrard is on par with Carson Palmer....
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Fair enough. I recall debating with friends about Palmer vs Brees as the 3rd best QB last off-season, and I suppose after this past season, Romo and Roethlisberger have crept into discussion. Favre obviously is out since he's retired. My real point being a case could easily be made for Palmer as the 3rd best QB, while there's no way you could place Bledsoe any higher than 5th at the same point in his career and likely he was closer to 6 or 7, which would put him in today's hodge-podge of Hasselbeck, McNabb, Rivers, Eli, and Bulger. Good, but not great. Palmer is much more closer to great.Who says Palmer is considered a top 3 QB? In saying that, you are obviously slotting Peyton and Brady ahead of him. So you are saying that Palmer is universally considered to be better than Brees and Romo? I disagree. Some would rank Roethlisberger higher. And, while at different points in their careers, Favre clearly would be ranked ahead of Palmer in this type of discussion, since Palmer is unlikely to ever reach Favre's accomplishments (who is, besides Peyton?). I'm in your camp on this issue, but you are exaggerating here.I don't recall Bledsoe being universally considered a top 3 QB, as Palmer is now. Young, Elway, Marino, Favre, and possibly Kelly were all more well regarded than Bledsoe. I recall Bledsoe being a guy that threw the ball a LOT but never made any special plays that turned your head. He was atrocious in that Super Bowl run, too.Drew Bledsoe threw for 4,555 yards his second year in the league and made the Pro Bowl. He took his team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year, and made the Pro Bowl. He then made the Pro Bowl in his fifth year, too.While I understand your overall viewpoint, it's comments like these that make us all goChase Stuart said:First four seasons:
Comp Att Comp% Yards YPA TD TD% Int Int%Bledsoe 1310 2379 55.1% 14642 6.15 80 3.36% 73 3.07%Palmer 1305 2036 64.1% 14899 7.32 104 5.11% 63 3.09%Palmer was clearly superior in Comp%, YPA, and TD%. Bledsoe started 'meh' and continued to be 'meh' throughout his career. Palmer started 'wow'. There's no comparison.
Bledsoe was pretty much considered on the level of Palmer after five seasons. It's easy to say in retrospect that Bledsoe was meh, but that's exactly my point. Who's to say we won't argue in ten years that Carson Palmer made one playoff game in his first five seasons, and he put up great numbers only because of his stud WRs? Is that likely? No. But stranger things have happened.
I'm pretty anti-Bledsoe, but his reputation back in the mid-'90s was sky high.
I always thought the high point of Bledsoe's career was taking a pass-first team with a lousy defense to the playoffs in his 2nd season in '94. Palmer has already done that and in the proccess - played better in 1 play against Pittsburgh than Bledsoe did all game against Cleveland. The '96 NE team was pretty stacked. Regardless of what his reputation was after that season, he basically handed the ball off to Curtis Martin against Pittsburgh and then did nothing against a Jacksonville defense that had been torched by Denver & Buffalo the previous two weeks.Drew Bledsoe threw for 4,555 yards his second year in the league and made the Pro Bowl. He took his team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year, and made the Pro Bowl. He then made the Pro Bowl in his fifth year, too.Bledsoe was pretty much considered on the level of Palmer after five seasons. It's easy to say in retrospect that Bledsoe was meh, but that's exactly my point. Who's to say we won't argue in ten years that Carson Palmer made one playoff game in his first five seasons, and he put up great numbers only because of his stud WRs? Is that likely? No. But stranger things have happened.I'm pretty anti-Bledsoe, but his reputation back in the mid-'90s was sky high.While I understand your overall viewpoint, it's comments like these that make us all goFirst four seasons:
Palmer was clearly superior in Comp%, YPA, and TD%. Bledsoe started 'meh' and continued to be 'meh' throughout his career. Palmer started 'wow'. There's no comparison.Code:Comp Att Comp% Yards YPA TD TD% Int Int%Bledsoe 1310 2379 55.1% 14642 6.15 80 3.36% 73 3.07%Palmer 1305 2036 64.1% 14899 7.32 104 5.11% 63 3.09%
I know it's not football, but since you asked I will answer. Of course Hakeem was worth the #1 pick in 1984. He showed that if you could surround him with talent, then he could lead you to a championship. I'm not even going to try to argue that he was better than MJ, but I don't think there was any Bulls title team that Hakeem could not have won a title on if you replaced MJ with him. You typically don't need to surround a center with as much help to win, and I think Hakeem proved that. He had less help on each one of his title teams, compared to MJ.As fas as the poll question, QB is arguably the games most important position. If you can get a franchise QB you take one.
