Was the Civil War about slavery? (1 Viewer)

[IC FBGCav]

What was it about?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Its always about money. Seriously.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Its always about money. Seriously.

Money earned from slavery.

 

[Reginald Cornsilks]

Which civil war?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Its always about money. Seriously.

Money earned from slavery.

I'll not argue that as an important part of it.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

In before "States rights" (as in, the states rights to allow slavery).

 

[IC FBGCav]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

 

[TripItUp]

depends who you talk to...about several issues not one.

Flawed poll.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

Fill us in then, Tacitus.

 

[Fennis]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

If the South had abolished slavery, there would not have been a Civil War.

 

[IC FBGCav]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

If the South had abolished slavery, there would not have been a Civil War.

LOL

 

[IC FBGCav]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

Fill us in then, Tacitus.

There were slaves on both sides.........war was 3 years in at least before the were declared free.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

Fill us in then, Tacitus.

There were slaves on both sides.........war was 3 years in at least before the were declared free.

Well don't I feel stupid.

 

[IC FBGCav]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

Fill us in then, Tacitus.

There were slaves on both sides.........war was 3 years in at least before the were declared free.

Well don't I feel stupid.

Love 50% of you posts and hate 50% guess you got me hooked

 

[Fennis]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

If the South had abolished slavery, there would not have been a Civil War.

LOL

I'm somewhere around 30/70 with yours.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Yes.

Duh.

-QG

 

[moleculo]

I find it curious that, in the Confederate States Constitution, it's explicitly illegal to import slaves except from the US or other Confederate States.

from wiki:

Whereas the original U.S. Constitution did not use the word slavery or the term "Negro Slaves",[27] but "Person held to Service or Labour"[28] which included whites in indentured servitude, the Confederate Constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.
Though Article I Section 9(1) of both constitutions are quite similar in banning the importation of slaves from foreign nations the Confederate Constitution permits the CSA to import slaves from the United States and specifies Africans as the subject. The importation of slaves into the United States, including the South, had already been illegal since 1808.[29]
Article I Section 9(1)
The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]
While the U.S. Constitution reads
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.[30]

so if they specifically outlawed importing slaves, does that imply they knew slavery was wrong all along? "OK, no new slaves. starting....NOW!"

 

[Jack White]

Those who voted YES need to do some digging beyond your high school textbooks and your Doris Kearns Goodwin books.

 

[FlapJacks]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

 

[DaVinci]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

If the South had abolished slavery, there would not have been a Civil War.

If the Union had respected the Confederate states' right to secede, there would not have been a civil war.

 

[FlapJacks]

Those who voted YES need to do some digging beyond your high school textbooks and your Doris Kearns Goodwin books.

Is it too early to congratulate you for your pending victory in the 2015 contest?

 

[cstu]

I find it curious that, in the Confederate States Constitution, it's explicitly illegal to import slaves except from the US or other Confederate States.

from wiki:

Whereas the original U.S. Constitution did not use the word slavery or the term "Negro Slaves",[27] but "Person held to Service or Labour"[28] which included whites in indentured servitude, the Confederate Constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.Though Article I Section 9(1) of both constitutions are quite similar in banning the importation of slaves from foreign nations the Confederate Constitution permits the CSA to import slaves from the United States and specifies Africans as the subject. The importation of slaves into the United States, including the South, had already been illegal since 1808.[29]

Article I Section 9(1)

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]

While the U.S. Constitution reads

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.[30]

so if they specifically outlawed importing slaves, does that imply they knew slavery was wrong all along? "OK, no new slaves. starting....NOW!"

Of course they knew it was wrong, but they were hanging on to the slaves they did have because they needed the cheap labor. The U.S. had outlawed the importation of slaves for over 50 years (1808) and most of the world had banned slavery by the time the South seceded.

It's willful ignorance if anyone claims that the Civil War was not about slavery (albeit for financial reasons).

 

[IC FBGCav]

I find it curious that, in the Confederate States Constitution, it's explicitly illegal to import slaves except from the US or other Confederate States. from wiki:

Whereas the original U.S. Constitution did not use the word slavery or the term "Negro Slaves",[27] but "Person held to Service or Labour"[28] which included whites in indentured servitude, the Confederate Constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.

Though Article I Section 9(1) of both constitutions are quite similar in banning the importation of slaves from foreign nations the Confederate Constitution permits the CSA to import slaves from the United States and specifies Africans as the subject. The importation of slaves into the United States, including the South, had already been illegal since 1808.[29]

Article I Section 9(1)

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]

While the U.S. Constitution reads

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.[30]

so if they specifically outlawed importing slaves, does that imply they knew slavery was wrong all along? "OK, no new slaves. starting....NOW!"

Of course they knew it was wrong, but they were hanging on to the slaves they did have because they needed the cheap labor. The U.S. had outlawed the importation of slaves for over 50 years (1808) and most of the world had banned slavery by the time the South seceded. It's willful ignorance if anyone claims that the Civil War was not about slavery (albeit for financial reasons).

YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT, BUT U CANT DO THAT.

 

[General Tso]

I used to be open to this debate until I heard Ken Burns speak on it once. Came away 100% convinced it was about slavery and nothing more.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I find it curious that, in the Confederate States Constitution, it's explicitly illegal to import slaves except from the US or other Confederate States. from wiki:

Whereas the original U.S. Constitution did not use the word slavery or the term "Negro Slaves",[27] but "Person held to Service or Labour"[28] which included whites in indentured servitude, the Confederate Constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.

Though Article I Section 9(1) of both constitutions are quite similar in banning the importation of slaves from foreign nations the Confederate Constitution permits the CSA to import slaves from the United States and specifies Africans as the subject. The importation of slaves into the United States, including the South, had already been illegal since 1808.[29]

Article I Section 9(1)

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]

While the U.S. Constitution reads

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.[30]

so if they specifically outlawed importing slaves, does that imply they knew slavery was wrong all along? "OK, no new slaves. starting....NOW!"

Of course they knew it was wrong, but they were hanging on to the slaves they did have because they needed the cheap labor. The U.S. had outlawed the importation of slaves for over 50 years (1808) and most of the world had banned slavery by the time the South seceded. It's willful ignorance if anyone claims that the Civil War was not about slavery (albeit for financial reasons).

YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT, BUT U CANT DO THAT.

grandfather clause

 

[ghostguy123]

Was it MOSTLY about slavery?

There are lots of things that happen for multiple reasons that may not have happened if one of several things had not happened.

I have no idea, just asking, but I was under the impression the Civil War was mainly over slavery (also money is not an incorrect answer because ultimately everything is about money in politics).

 

[timschochet]

I find it curious that, in the Confederate States Constitution, it's explicitly illegal to import slaves except from the US or other Confederate States.

from wiki:

Whereas the original U.S. Constitution did not use the word slavery or the term "Negro Slaves",[27] but "Person held to Service or Labour"[28] which included whites in indentured servitude, the Confederate Constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.Though Article I Section 9(1) of both constitutions are quite similar in banning the importation of slaves from foreign nations the Confederate Constitution permits the CSA to import slaves from the United States and specifies Africans as the subject. The importation of slaves into the United States, including the South, had already been illegal since 1808.[29]

Article I Section 9(1)

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]

While the U.S. Constitution reads

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.[30]

so if they specifically outlawed importing slaves, does that imply they knew slavery was wrong all along? "OK, no new slaves. starting....NOW!"

That was put in in order to keep Virginia happy, because the slave owners there made a huge profit selling slaves south to the larger cotton plantations.

 

[timschochet]

Was it MOSTLY about slavery?

There are lots of things that happen for multiple reasons that may not have happened if one of several things had not happened.

I have no idea, just asking, but I was under the impression the Civil War was mainly over slavery (also money is not an incorrect answer because ultimately everything is about money in politics).

The initial southern states seceded in order to protect slavery.

But the states of the upper South (Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee) joined the Confederacy after Lincoln, responding to Fort Sumter, called for a militia of 90,000 men to put down the rebellion. Those states reacted to what they believed was the threat of northern aggression against the South. So yes, slavery was the main cause, but it's actually a bit more complicated.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Those who voted YES need to do some digging beyond your high school textbooks and your Doris Kearns Goodwin books.

Textbook snob.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

its that damn confederate flag that causes so much trouble...started a war by golly

 

[GilbertGrape]

I find it curious that, in the Confederate States Constitution, it's explicitly illegal to import slaves except from the US or other Confederate States.

from wiki:

Whereas the original U.S. Constitution did not use the word slavery or the term "Negro Slaves",[27] but "Person held to Service or Labour"[28] which included whites in indentured servitude, the Confederate Constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.Though Article I Section 9(1) of both constitutions are quite similar in banning the importation of slaves from foreign nations the Confederate Constitution permits the CSA to import slaves from the United States and specifies Africans as the subject. The importation of slaves into the United States, including the South, had already been illegal since 1808.[29]

Article I Section 9(1)

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.[14]

While the U.S. Constitution reads

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.[30]

so if they specifically outlawed importing slaves, does that imply they knew slavery was wrong all along? "OK, no new slaves. starting....NOW!"

Slavery was a business. And slaves, as a commodity, were unique in that they reproduced. The South not only needed no new slaves, they had a glut of them. They wanted the US to take over Mexico and points South to expand the slave market. Ie, where they could sell new slaves. So while the primary reason behind the Civil War was slavery, I voted money, because that's what it was really about. And it wasn't like the Northerners were saints, they tried slavery too, it just didn't work as well in the North. And before everybody gets holier than thou, Lincoln opposed slavery, but was very much against intermarriage of the races, and for segregation.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

And before everybody gets holier than thou, Lincoln opposed slavery, but was very much against intermarriage of the races, and for segregation.

I don't care for meatballs yet I love pineapple.

Intermingling the races as a social issue in the 1860s was taboo everywhere in the western world. How you could possibly equate Lincoln's stance on slavery, a vile and inhuman practice to his opposition to intermarriage, is horrible. Do you people think before you write this crap? ooooooof

 

[ghostguy123]

And before everybody gets holier than thou, Lincoln opposed slavery, but was very much against intermarriage of the races, and for segregation.

I don't care for meatballs yet I love pineapple.

Intermingling the races as a social issue in the 1860s was taboo everywhere in the western world. How you could possibly equate Lincoln's stance on slavery, a vile and inhuman practice to his opposition to intermarriage, is horrible. Do you people think before you write this crap? ooooooof

I think the Civil War started because everyone was pissed about wearing uncomfortable clothes, even worse than ties.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Those who voted YES need to do some digging beyond your high school textbooks and your Doris Kearns Goodwin books.

I would ask you to expound on what you think the Civil War was about, but you suck so I won't.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

And before everybody gets holier than thou, Lincoln opposed slavery, but was very much against intermarriage of the races, and for segregation.

I don't care for meatballs yet I love pineapple.

Intermingling the races as a social issue in the 1860s was taboo everywhere in the western world. How you could possibly equate Lincoln's stance on slavery, a vile and inhuman practice to his opposition to intermarriage, is horrible. Do you people think before you write this crap? ooooooof

I think the Civil War started because everyone was pissed about wearing uncomfortable clothes, even worse than ties.

I can't rule it out, much more plausible than Lincoln hesitating on emancipation because he was opposed to Tyronne marrying Amber.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

If the South had abolished slavery, there would not have been a Civil War.

If the Union had respected the Confederate states' right to secede, there would not have been a civil war.

Is it too late to change our minds?

 

[peaces]

history hides the lies of our civil wars

 

[Brony]

Lots of folks still vying for that A in AP History

 

[AAABatteries]

Those who voted YES need to do some digging beyond your high school textbooks and your Doris Kearns Goodwin books.

Is it too early to congratulate you for your pending victory in the 2015 contest?

 

[Jack White]

Those who voted YES need to do some digging beyond your high school textbooks and your Doris Kearns Goodwin books.

I would ask you to expound on what you think the Civil War was about, but you suck so I won't.

I would ask you to defend Doris Kearns Goodwin and government school textbooks, but you're a hopeless statist hack, so I wont.

 

[Steeler]

Apu

 

[PatsWillWin]

Its always about money. Seriously.

Money earned from slavery.

Pretty much what I believe.

 

[matuski]

Religion as well, of course.

 

[timschochet]

Religion as well, of course.

You mean the Christians who pushed for abolition?

 

[Mjolnirs]

Secession was about States Rights, and as evident in the various Articles of Secessions, the main Right was slavery.

The war was over secession and the financial effect the South leaving would have on the Union.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

The Civil War did not start because slavery. FYI. To all.

Official ordinances of secession from the Confederate states

Almost all of them mention slavery as a reason for secession.

The Georgia declaration of secession mentions slavery 35 times. THIRTY FIVE TIMES!! Obsess much, Georgia??

 

[timschochet]

Secession was about States Rights, and as evident in the various Articles of Secessions, the main Right was slavery.

The war was over secession and the financial effect the South leaving would have on the Union.

Even this is not quite true. Really the only states' right that the South believed in was secession itself.

For example, in the years just before the Civil War, the South pushed heavily for the Fugitive Slave Act, which was a great a federal intrusion on the individual rights of states as any law that we've ever had. The South was also opposed to Popular Sovereignty, and strongly in favor of the Dred Scott decision, which made slave ownership a federal right.

Also a point of extreme irony: during the War of 1812, the states of New England, very much opposed to that war, spoke openly of secession from the Union, and the southern reaction was to threaten them with war if they attempted it.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Its always about money. Seriously.

Money earned from slavery.

This really should be (but won't be) the end of the thread.

 

[Flying V]

My impression is if the issue of slavery was completely removed from the equation, there would have been no war.

So I guess that's a YES.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Very generally speaking...

It was about slavery to the south.

To the north, and more specifically Lincoln, it was about secession.