Washington RB situation? (1 Viewer)

[Football Critic]

Wow, I stand corrected I guess James Davis has been playing better then Kw in the past games, so they are feeding him...wow Shanny is a great coach

 

[nysportsfan]

This won't matter if they don't even attempt to run the ball

 

[red]

didn't see the game, but foolishly i was expecting k williams to get plenty of touches and thought a starting rb with no bench depth = solid fantasy points for a RB2/3 or flex play. so what gives? is davis the guy? is torain coming back? or is it just fools gold to think any wash RB is worth a roster spot.

 

[Shutout]

didn't see the game, but foolishly i was expecting k williams to get plenty of touches and thought a starting rb with no bench depth = solid fantasy points for a RB2/3 or flex play. so what gives? is davis the guy? is torain coming back? or is it just fools gold to think any wash RB is worth a roster spot.

The game was not set up for any runner to have a good day but it DID show exactly what a couple of us have been saying about Williams; very average talent with little to no burst. It was obvious that Shanahan wanted to do some things with Davis that were more outside the tackles but the game didn't allow it. A lot of people have posted in this thread "Why is everyone on this Davis kid? Williams is the guy". Stop kidding yourself. If you watched Sunday you saw that Shanahan is not high on Williams at all. If he and his staff really thought they had something there, they would continue to explore it but the exact opposite happened. They really went away from him.I know a lot of people posting here probably picked up Williams and want to have something here but its time to see this one for what it is in real life. He's not the answer. Davis is my stashed guy in dynasties if I am making a stash move. He (Davis) may not be THE guy, but he has the ability to where he could be. Williams has no chance at that. And if they don't get enough from Davis to make him THE guy, he makes a much better complement to a featured RB than Williams does.

 

[damageinc]

they want Williams in the backup-3rd down role. thats obvious. Looks to me that they will Give davis the opportunity to be the every down back now . portis came back and williams went back to his role. Last week Davis got the carries and Williams went back to his role. I expect Davis to carry the load this week with Williams as the change of pace and recieving back. Just my opinion. Davis might be a speculative add . but Williams is probally a drop . But I wouldnt count on any Washington RB.

 

[basher]

Lots of people who watched the game think that Davis looks like nothing to even get remotely excited about. the few times he even got passed the LoS, in the game against the vikings, he struggled mightily to even keep his feet.

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

Impossible!!! - James Davis is the greatest fantasy talent to ever produce on the field!

 

[iMobile]

bail

out

 

[Shutout]

Lots of people who watched the game think that Davis looks like nothing to even get remotely excited about. the few times he even got passed the LoS, in the game against the vikings, he struggled mightily to even keep his feet.

He had more yards on fewer carries this past week than Chris Johnson did. I don't think anyone is ready to brush him off.Point being, I guarantee that these "lots of people" likely consist of about 90% of people who saw nothing more than a stat box or a play or two while the other 10% saw the one and only game he has played in. Like Chris Johnson on Sunday, sometimes a player can look REALLY bad if one game is the sample size.

 

[eefflrat]

Lots of people who watched the game think that Davis looks like nothing to even get remotely excited about. the few times he even got passed the LoS, in the game against the vikings, he struggled mightily to even keep his feet.

He had more yards on fewer carries this past week than Chris Johnson did. I don't think anyone is ready to brush him off.Point being, I guarantee that these "lots of people" likely consist of about 90% of people who saw nothing more than a stat box or a play or two while the other 10% saw the one and only game he has played in. Like Chris Johnson on Sunday, sometimes a player can look REALLY bad if one game is the sample size.

Well, i watched him and he looked like crap. And he didn't look so hot in Cleveland either. Honestly, i think Shanahan cost his team the game by not getting it into Williams hand and pounding it a little more, and by the time he started throwing Williams the screen passes it was a little too late.You can't come on here and talk about chris Johnson in the same sentence as Davis, there is no relevance. James davis is a nobody that has gotten hype from some preseason action. I'm not saying Williams is all world, just that he is better than Davis from what I have seen.

 

[basher]

Lots of people who watched the game think that Davis looks like nothing to even get remotely excited about. the few times he even got passed the LoS, in the game against the vikings, he struggled mightily to even keep his feet.

He had more yards on fewer carries this past week than Chris Johnson did. I don't think anyone is ready to brush him off.Point being, I guarantee that these "lots of people" likely consist of about 90% of people who saw nothing more than a stat box or a play or two while the other 10% saw the one and only game he has played in. Like Chris Johnson on Sunday, sometimes a player can look REALLY bad if one game is the sample size.

Well, i watched him and he looked like crap. And he didn't look so hot in Cleveland either. Honestly, i think Shanahan cost his team the game by not getting it into Williams hand and pounding it a little more, and by the time he started throwing Williams the screen passes it was a little too late.You can't come on here and talk about chris Johnson in the same sentence as Davis, there is no relevance. James davis is a nobody that has gotten hype from some preseason action. I'm not saying Williams is all world, just that he is better than Davis from what I have seen.

Yay lets start comparing proven players with guys getting their first touches ... that clearly makes sense.EDIT: if you really want to start comparing him to other proven players ... he looked more like LDT from last season ... get about a yard from the LoS then kinda just fall to the ground (contact or no)

 

[FavreCo]

Best move with a Skeletor RB is to play the guy that didn't play last week, regardless of previous week's results. Skeletor could care less about FF but would love to make you lose a game by starting the wrong guy.

 

[Wombat1]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

 

[bleedgreen]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

If there is something worth picking up in your league I would drop him. I'm holding on to him as a wildcard but not really expecting anything.

 

[fatness]

didn't see the game, but foolishly i was expecting k williams to get plenty of touches and thought a starting rb with no bench depth = solid fantasy points for a RB2/3 or flex play. so what gives? is davis the guy? is torain coming back? or is it just fools gold to think any wash RB is worth a roster spot.

The game was not set up for any runner to have a good day but it DID show exactly what a couple of us have been saying about Williams; very average talent with little to no burst. It was obvious that Shanahan wanted to do some things with Davis that were more outside the tackles but the game didn't allow it.

To be fair, Davis stutter-stepping instead of hitting what holes there were didn't help things either.

 

[Futz]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

I'm holding. He has looked the best out of all of the RBs and once healthy, he'll be getting the rock.

 

[fatness]

they want Williams in the backup-3rd down role. thats obvious. Looks to me that they will Give davis the opportunity to be the every down back now .

OFFENSE (52 snaps)

RB: Keiland Williams 35, James Davis 17, Mike Sellers 10

link

 

[bleedgreen]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

I'm holding. He has looked the best out of all of the RBs and once healthy, he'll be getting the rock.

I agree...he's the guy IF he gets healthy. Unfortunately I haven't heard any positive news in weeks. But I'm holding him because I'm not going to be able to pick up anything good on waivers anyway.

 

[Futz]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

I'm holding. He has looked the best out of all of the RBs and once healthy, he'll be getting the rock.

I agree...he's the guy IF he gets healthy. Unfortunately I haven't heard any positive news in weeks. But I'm holding him because I'm not going to be able to pick up anything good on waivers anyway.

I think the James Davis experiment was done to see if they could buy more time for Torain to completely heal. As expected, Davis looked average or worse so I'd think there might be some urgency to get Torain back on the field.

 

[Shutout]

Lots of people who watched the game think that Davis looks like nothing to even get remotely excited about. the few times he even got passed the LoS, in the game against the vikings, he struggled mightily to even keep his feet.

He had more yards on fewer carries this past week than Chris Johnson did. I don't think anyone is ready to brush him off.Point being, I guarantee that these "lots of people" likely consist of about 90% of people who saw nothing more than a stat box or a play or two while the other 10% saw the one and only game he has played in. Like Chris Johnson on Sunday, sometimes a player can look REALLY bad if one game is the sample size.

Well, i watched him and he looked like crap. And he didn't look so hot in Cleveland either. Honestly, i think Shanahan cost his team the game by not getting it into Williams hand and pounding it a little more, and by the time he started throwing Williams the screen passes it was a little too late.You can't come on here and talk about chris Johnson in the same sentence as Davis, there is no relevance. James davis is a nobody that has gotten hype from some preseason action. I'm not saying Williams is all world, just that he is better than Davis from what I have seen.

Please don't be so simple as to think that statement was a direct comparison of two players. If you would have read and understood the post, you would know it is CLEARLY a means to point out that for a lot of people who were looking at Davis for the first time as many were, he would have looked the same to them if they were looking at, in this case, Chris Johnson, for the first time. If you had never watched football before Sunday and saw these two players, you would likely draw a similar conclusion. Point being, be careful about casting a quick judgment based on what a lot of people's one-time knee jerk reaction is. Most people don't think Chris Johnson IS that guy they saw Sunday so is it just too much to possibly get your head around the idea that maybe, just maybe, Davis isn't either.

People are SO freaking quick to lash out and be sarcastic and just pile on to something they hear 10 other people post on without thinking about, researching, or heaven forbid actually watch the guy play. Like I said, CJ looked like crap last week and if that's all you had ever seen, you probably could easily say "Well, i watched him and he looked like crap.". But did you take the time to go look at him anywhere else? Doubtful.

Feel free to bookmark this link. I'm sure we'll be talking about it again and I'm certain Davis is going to be a lot more than what you saw when you watched him and declared him as crap.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Notes from yesterday re: Torain:

Redskins Journal

Shanahan really wants Torain back on the field after two straight weeks of running game woes without him. But as has been the case for Torain’s career, he just can’t get healthy. “I’m about ready to strangle Ryan right now because he hasn’t come back quite quick enough,” Shanahan joked today.”

“I know a guy like Ryan is biting at the bit. He’s been hurt through most of his career. He’s got an opportunity to show what he can do, and unfortunately he’s not able to come back yet. Hopefully tomorrow.”

Redskins Insider

...running back Ryan Torain (hamstring) - did not participate in drills at all.

Coach Mike Shanahan said previously that Torain "ran around" some, but he apparently did not take part in offensive sets as the Redskins prepare to face the New York Giants Sunday in East Rutherford, N.J.

Today's update:

Running back Ryan Torain attended practice Friday but did not participate fully, and Shanahan said he would be a game-time decision on Sunday.

"Got some reps in there, but still not 100 percent, but getting better," Shanahan said.

 

[Sidewinder16]

And, this should be fun......Larry Weisman tweeted this from Shanahan's presser today:

Shanny likes look of RB Andre Brown from work w/scout team. "He has a future here."

 

[Dr. Awesome]

And, this should be fun......Larry Weisman tweeted this from Shanahan's presser today:

Shanny likes look of RB Andre Brown from work w/scout team. "He has a future here."

I know this is probably just coachspeak...but it might not be. I'm so thankful to have dumped Keiland. Note to self - do not go back to this situation.

 

[Wombat1]

@Sidewinder thanks for those updates on Torain, keep em coming. I had not seen much of anything on him and was close to giving up, but my RB2 situation is terrible so Torain could actually help me in the playoffs.

 

[zamboni]

I know this is probably just coachspeak...but it might not be. I'm so thankful to have dumped Keiland. Note to self - do not go back to this situation.

Ditto for me - but dumped James Davis (didn't have Keiland).Every year I tell myself to stop getting sucked into the Shanahanigans, but I never listen.

 

[Chaka]

I will never roster another Shanahan RB.

I will never roster another Shanahan RB.

I will never roster another Shanahan RB.

I will never roster another Shanahan RB.

...

 

[fatness]

And, this should be fun......Larry Weisman tweeted this from Shanahan's presser today:

Shanny likes look of RB Andre Brown from work w/scout team. "He has a future here."

Didn't Shanhan say the exact same thing about James Davis several weeks ago?

 

[FavreCo]

And, this should be fun......Larry Weisman tweeted this from Shanahan's presser today:

Shanny likes look of RB Andre Brown from work w/scout team. "He has a future here."

Didn't Shanhan say the exact same thing about James Davis several weeks ago?

Pretty much says it about every RB. Skeletor is to RBs as Gruden is to QBs.

 

[gotexansgo]

Please don't be so simple as to think that statement was a direct comparison of two players. If you would have read and understood the post, you would know it is CLEARLY a means to point out that for a lot of people who were looking at Davis for the first time as many were, he would have looked the same to them if they were looking at, in this case, Chris Johnson, for the first time. If you had never watched football before Sunday and saw these two players, you would likely draw a similar conclusion. Point being, be careful about casting a quick judgment based on what a lot of people's one-time knee jerk reaction is. Most people don't think Chris Johnson IS that guy they saw Sunday so is it just too much to possibly get your head around the idea that maybe, just maybe, Davis isn't either.

People are SO freaking quick to lash out and be sarcastic and just pile on to something they hear 10 other people post on without thinking about, researching, or heaven forbid actually watch the guy play. Like I said, CJ looked like crap last week and if that's all you had ever seen, you probably could easily say "Well, i watched him and he looked like crap.". But did you take the time to go look at him anywhere else? Doubtful.

Feel free to bookmark this link. I'm sure we'll be talking about it again and I'm certain Davis is going to be a lot more than what you saw when you watched him and declared him as crap.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

And, this should be fun......Larry Weisman tweeted this from Shanahan's presser today:

Shanny likes look of RB Andre Brown from work w/scout team. "He has a future here."

:(I know this is probably just coachspeak...but it might not be. I'm so thankful to have dumped Keiland. Note to self - do not go back to this situation.

No way man. He'll change. THIS time it will be different. You'll see.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Lots of people who watched the game think that Davis looks like nothing to even get remotely excited about. the few times he even got passed the LoS, in the game against the vikings, he struggled mightily to even keep his feet.

He had more yards on fewer carries this past week than Chris Johnson did. I don't think anyone is ready to brush him off.Point being, I guarantee that these "lots of people" likely consist of about 90% of people who saw nothing more than a stat box or a play or two while the other 10% saw the one and only game he has played in. Like Chris Johnson on Sunday, sometimes a player can look REALLY bad if one game is the sample size.

He also had more yards last week than Walter Payton did. I suspect that had a lot to do with Walter having a bad week, however, more than Davis' greatness.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

I'm holding. He has looked the best out of all of the RBs and once healthy, he'll be getting the rock.

I agree...he's the guy IF he gets healthy. Unfortunately I haven't heard any positive news in weeks. But I'm holding him because I'm not going to be able to pick up anything good on waivers anyway.

I think the James Davis experiment was done to see if they could buy more time for Torain to completely heal. As expected, Davis looked average or worse so I'd think there might be some urgency to get Torain back on the field.

People keep saying this. What am I missing here on Williams. When given the rock he's been very productive. It's like they don't want him to succeed.

 

[nysportsfan]

Are people dropping Torain at this point? I still have him but may drop him this week, even if he comes back I question if he can even get through a game without getting hurt. Last time he tried he didn't even make it through warmups.

I'm holding. He has looked the best out of all of the RBs and once healthy, he'll be getting the rock.

I agree...he's the guy IF he gets healthy. Unfortunately I haven't heard any positive news in weeks. But I'm holding him because I'm not going to be able to pick up anything good on waivers anyway.

I think the James Davis experiment was done to see if they could buy more time for Torain to completely heal. As expected, Davis looked average or worse so I'd think there might be some urgency to get Torain back on the field.

People keep saying this. What am I missing here on Williams. When given the rock he's been very productive. It's like they don't want him to succeed.

I would agree. And it's not like last week was a true test/accurate predictor as everyone was ineffective against MIN defense. They did not really try to pound it either, they went to the air early and often.

 

[fatness]

Torain is inactive today.

 

[The Doctor]

Torain is still worth keeping IMO

 

[damageinc]

James Davis looks pretty good. Rushing for 4.5 yards a carry 9-40 and he has 3 receptions for 41 yards.

 

[Wombat1]

From Twitter:

redskinsblog

Ryan Torain is scheduled to practice without limitations this week.

This was in a series of things that Shanahan said in his presser. Was considering dropping Torain, glad I didn't. Would anyone trust starting him this week? TB has bad run D.

 

[bleedgreen]

Glad to hear there is finally some good news on Torain.

I do think he gets a full workload Sunday if he has at least a couple of full practices this week and his hammy is not bothering him.

Still it is a little risky since it is the first week of most peoples fantasy playoffs.