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Watson?! (1 Viewer)
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Typical Brady. Spread the ball around so much so everyone is virtually worthless.
What? Wasn't Watson in the top 5 among TEs in terms of yards and catches? What more do you guys want from a TE who was frequently drafted outside of the top 10?
TitusIII
Footballguy
Touchdowns? Don't get me wrong, Watson is as talented as they come, but he simply average as a #1 FF TE
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flapgreen
Footballguy
I can't believe some people are still praising the guy in the fantasy realm. 
my man otis
Footballguy
lundy
jurb26
Footballguy
I saw many drafts where he was drafted in the top 5.
Doxology
Footballguy
They were targetting Watson in the 9th round, and Lundy in the 14th. I think Watson gets the nod here.
So... let me get this straight... a TE who wasn't drafted in the top 3 at his position is simply an "average #1". How is this anything other than a case of Watson living exactly up to his expectations?Do you get all mad when the RB you drafted in the 9th round isn't a top-10 back, too?
I'd have to see the VBD numbers, but I suspect that Watson is definitely performing up to his draft position.
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mojorizin
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Well, the guy IS a TE, a position where we get tickled about 4 catch a game studs. All things considered he was a good gamble to take with a fantastic situation + athletic ability. Still, he produces like just about any other waste of roster space TE.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
This is why for years I've subscribed to the "Stud TE" theory. I always draft a top tight end in leagues that require one because there is usually a significant drop off after Gates, Shockey, Heap, and Gonzales. This year, among those four, only Heap has been putting up consistent numbers. And his haven't been great.
But, I still think it is the way to go. After the studs, you end up drafting a guy hoping you'll hit pay dirt. More than likely, you'll strike dud and spend the entire season looking for the hot start. I like being able to plug in Heap and not worry about it.
But, I still think it is the way to go. After the studs, you end up drafting a guy hoping you'll hit pay dirt. More than likely, you'll strike dud and spend the entire season looking for the hot start. I like being able to plug in Heap and not worry about it.
TitusIII
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jurb26
Footballguy
Did you pay attention at all to the expectations of this guy around here? Not only did people expect him to be a STUD TE, they expected WR1 numbers out of him in the NE O. How many threads did we have to read where the question was asked "who is the WR1 in NE?" How many people repetedly said Ben Watson? The ony guy with higher expectations then Watson around here was LJ.
FFdork
Footballguy
I haven't watched every down NE has played, but in my limited sample I've seen quite a few opportunities (e.g. TD targets, plays called back on penalties, and so forth) where Watson just missed out on much better #s. Just a few things go different and we're not having this conversation.
I think a lot of people that are disappointed are the people that reached for Watson. If you got impatient and drafted him in the 5-6th round or before at least 7-8 TEs were off the board, you're disappointed, but you should be disappointed in yourself b/c you didn't get good value there (and you didn't do what FBG advocated).
I think a lot of people that are disappointed are the people that reached for Watson. If you got impatient and drafted him in the 5-6th round or before at least 7-8 TEs were off the board, you're disappointed, but you should be disappointed in yourself b/c you didn't get good value there (and you didn't do what FBG advocated).
FFdork
Footballguy
I don't remember anyone saying/expecting WR1 #s (maybe I missed that). What I do remember is people saying he was the most talented receiver on his team, which I still believe.
TitusIII
Footballguy
I do as well, but the potential for 6-50 on a consitant basis simply isn't there. However, when one looks at the WW in his/her league, I'm not sure there is a better option available.
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I agree that those expectations were ludicrous, but the reality is that, regardless of what the expectations were, his ADP was as the 9th TE off the board, and he's definitely lived up to that draft position.
SickThing
Footballguy
Wouldn't Gates be considered the #1 stud TE at the draft? How's that working out? I didn't want to use any early spots for a TE, so in no league did I get get a top five ranked TE. However, Watson and Winslow slipped to me late and despite them being on the same bye week, I took them both in a couple of my leagues hoping one or the other breaks out this year. Looks to be Winslow now with the clear edge, and I've moved Watson out already. I'm doing well with Winslow acquired in every one of my leagues, where he had dropped into really late rounds. This has helped me become #1 in a couple of leagues. One of those leagues was on Yahoo! also, so I got Colston off the wire!This is why for years I've subscribed to the "Stud TE" theory. I always draft a top tight end in leagues that require one because there is usually a significant drop off after Gates, Shockey, Heap, and Gonzales. This year, among those four, only Heap has been putting up consistent numbers. And his haven't been great.But, I still think it is the way to go. After the studs, you end up drafting a guy hoping you'll hit pay dirt. More than likely, you'll strike dud and spend the entire season looking for the hot start. I like being able to plug in Heap and not worry about it.
So while I targeted Watson, I helped myself by also targeting Winslow. It apparently has worked out for me even though Watson disappointed so far. I didn't intend to go on about me, but I wanted to detail a counterpoint to the stud TE theory. In defense of Watson, a catch he made today was the longest completion bu the Pats this season.Family Matters
Footballguy
You're right about the hype. But you always have to temper expectations in NE. While it wasn't a reach to suugest that Watson might be the #1 target, you have to remember the system in NE. #1 might be wirth 60 catches and 800 yards. Which would be good for a TE. But anyone that thought he would produce 1000 yards wasn't being realistic.Last point. There have been 4 games played. I would think he will continue to be inconsistent which is typical in NE. 1 week they are great and the next they are subpar. But by the end of the year I expect he will be top 6 in TE production.
Edit to add: After week 3 he was TE11 in PPR leagues and only 7 points back of TE5. In non-ppr leagues he is TE14 and 7 points out of TE5. So he's still not out of the mix yet.
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el-gato-grande
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Its still early so I would not throw dirt on any of the top TEs yet. I think Gates will struggle all year as I'm convinced the Chargers will continue to run the ball more than pass. But, for the most part, I expect the number of all of the top tight ends to rise from where they are now. We'll see if Winslow and Colston can keep producing, but they certainly look good. BTW, Colston isn't a TE in my Sportsline league.Wouldn't Gates be considered the #1 stud TE at the draft? How's that working out? I didn't want to use any early spots for a TE, so in no league did I get get a top five ranked TE. However, Watson and Winslow slipped to me late and despite them being on the same bye week, I took them both in a couple of my leagues hoping one or the other breaks out this year. Looks to be Winslow now with the clear edge, and I've moved Watson out already. I'm doing well with Winslow acquired in every one of my leagues, where he had dropped into really late rounds. This has helped me become #1 in a couple of leagues. One of those leagues was on Yahoo! also, so I got Colston off the wire!This is why for years I've subscribed to the "Stud TE" theory. I always draft a top tight end in leagues that require one because there is usually a significant drop off after Gates, Shockey, Heap, and Gonzales. This year, among those four, only Heap has been putting up consistent numbers. And his haven't been great.But, I still think it is the way to go. After the studs, you end up drafting a guy hoping you'll hit pay dirt. More than likely, you'll strike dud and spend the entire season looking for the hot start. I like being able to plug in Heap and not worry about it.
jurb26
Footballguy
I think at this point he will be lucky to end up in the top 10.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Mike Bell
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
How about oft-injured Ahman Green
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
HUH?Green is the opposite of FBG over-hyped player of the year.Keep it up, Tripper.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
have any other tricks?
jurb26
Footballguy
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Tripper isn't well.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
You replied to my post you dipwad.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
jurb26
Footballguy
In that regard I'd say the experiment was a success.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Actually it backfired. Trooper REPLIED to my post in this thread.In that regard I'd say the experiment was a success.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
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Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Stop stalking me.You replied to my post you dipwad.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Like I wrote....you're not well.Stop stalking me.You replied to my post you dipwad.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
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mojorizin
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Any TE outside of a guy you drafted in the 3-5th round, that can regularly put up 4 catches and 50 yards is a pretty solid pick late in the draft.
WisWolvrns
Footballguy
don't forget Bradford hype... ;-) But as with everything, most hype is there for the later round grab of a certain player many thought would out perform their draft position. The problem I saw, is people drafting the hyped players many rounds sooner than they should have... thus, not drafting for more known values at the time, but reaching on someone alot of people were predicting to do better.
Both of you please turn it down and stop dumbing down this thread.TIA.JLike I wrote....you're not well.Stop stalking me.You replied to my post you dipwad.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
I agree Joe and I'm sorry. The thread was doing just fine until Trooper had to chime in about Green.Both of you please turn it down and stop dumbing down this thread.TIA.JLike I wrote....you're not well.Stop stalking me.You replied to my post you dipwad.Just testing if it took flawed more or less than 30 seconds to see Troopers name in a thread and make a post.
