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WCOFF 2007 Thoughts and Strategies (1 Viewer)

David Dodds

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I had hoped to pen the Perfect WCOFF Draft and time just got away from me.

Key Reference Material (Print out before your WCOFF Draft):

http://www.footballguys.com/05wcoff_ranges.phpWCOFF Drafting Ranges

WCOFF Average Draft Position

WCOFF - Number Drafted

These articles are from 2005, but the scoring has not changed at all so the data should still be very accurate.

I will try my best to outline the biggest pieces of the strategy.

You need to approach this draft as if you are trying to end up with the best team out of 1000+ that will be playing. This is possibly the most important point. Beating 11 owners and qualifying for the big dance with a roster that can never win the event should not be the desired effort. Things that work in your normal 12 team league can be counter-productive to fielding a winning WCOFF team.

Specifically, I think these things are LOSING plays in WCOFF:

- Handcuffing players with two picks in the first 8 rounds. You need to pick a side and gamble that it is correct. Handcuffs waste a roster spot. If you backup LT with Turner, are you really going to win the league if LT breaks a leg and is out for the year?

- Taking a QB before round 7. This has to do with the rules (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 flex + PPR). Take a look at how things change for the top QB as the rules change (from the VBD App):

1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE (no flex, no PPR) - Manning = 5 overall

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE (no flex, no PPR) - Manning = 5 overall

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE (no flex, PPR) - Manning - 12 overall

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE (flex, PPR) - Manning - 24 overall (WCOFF Rules)

This effect is even more evident when you examine where Carson Palmer ends up (48th with WCOFF scoring). Suffice it to say all of the elite QBs will be taken too early. Wait until the 8th round and then get ready to pounce on one of the best players left.

- Taking a TE early. Every year someone flying way below the radar at TE puts up solid numbers. Using a third rounder for someone like Gates will have you lagging behind all the owners that fielded a productive TE after round 10. I would look at the TE position in round 7 or later.

- Drafting a second QB, first defense and/or first PK in the first 2/3 of the draft. The RBs and WRs are going to dry up. You need to have your share of these players to improve your chances that one emerges. Use your last picks to secure your second QB and first PK and defense. Do not draft more than one kicker or defense.

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I looked at a bunch of winning rosters and believe the winning teams had this in common:

1. Winning teams usually took a RB in the first round (Sometimes your draft position dictates going WR in round 1, but unfortunately those teams usually did not fare well). After 5 rounds, these teams usually had 2 RBs and 3WRs.

2. Drafting RB, RB, RB with your first three picks is generally a LOSING strategy. In fact, the biggest key to winning is finding that all or nothing RB later in the draft (Maurice Jones Drew in 2006) so you can stockpile elite WRs in rounds 2 and 3.

3. The most common winning team design started with the first four picks as follows:

RB, WR, RB, WR and RB, WR, WR, RB

4. Winning teams roster a LOT of WRs. With the ability to start 4 on any given week, the WR position is VERY valuable in this format.

5. Winning teams had a solid CORE (first 6 picks) and many fliers AFTER that. These teams also were very active in the blind bidding process through the season.

6. Some of their HOMERUNS hit (either by the draft or waivers) to give them a very solid lineup every week. These homeruns by definition are not value picks. They are swings for the fences. Most end up being whiffs, but some (when hit) catapult teams to the top of this event.

7. Teams drafted to win their first eleven games. You need to have the best record or the most points after 11 games to play in week for the right to join the Championship bracket (where all the big money is). So choosing second half guys (rookies, drug suspensions, tough early schedules, etc with any early picks is a recipe for disaster). Wins are important NOW.

8. Playoff teams usually took advantage of the Thursday night stats (ie paying a slight premium for the studs from the early game and avoiding those players that stunk). Make sure RB Joseph Addai, TE Eric Johnson. WRs Reggie Wayne/Marvin Harrison and QB Peyton Manning move up your draftboards. If selecting some of these players gets you a week 1 win, that is indeed significant. The Sharks took Charlie Batch a few years ago after he lit up the scoreboard in a Thursday night game with the sole purpose of using him in week 1 and then dropping him.

9. All things being equal (same projected fantasy points), take the WR that catches a lot of balls over the redzone TD producer. Guys like Cotchery, Winslow excel in PPR leagues because of all of their catches. If the TDs ever come, you could have an elite producer.

My top 12 (tweaked after the Thursday game results):

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Steven Jackson

3. Joseph Addai (gets the bump up because of the big game 1)

4. Brian Westbrook

5. Frank Gore

6. Larry Johnson

7. Willie Parker

8. Reggie Wayne (gets the bump up because of the huge game)

9. Steve Smith

10. Chad Johnson

11. Laurence Maroney

12. Terrell Owens

Generally, If I took a RB in round 1, I would look to grab WRs in rounds 2 and 3.

If I took a WR in round 1, I would look to take a RB in round 2 and a WR in round 3.

If Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Brandon Jacobs or Ahman Green were available in the 4th round I would select RB, else I would take another WR knowing that I am starting off with a subpar RB2.

In round 5 I would take either WR or RB to get my roster to be 3WRs and 2 RBs.

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Digging Deep:

I tried to analyze the players that I think could represent homeruns based on their draft position. I define a homerun as someone who performs so well that they immediately surpass one of your top 5 picks. I think it's critical to try and land a few of these on your team. If a couple hit, you should have an elite roster.

Quarterbacks that I would target:

Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Vince Young - Again I wouldn't look to grab a QB before round 7. But starting in the 8th if any of these are on the board, I would grab them. I think they all could easily surpass the ir ADP. If all are gone I would look to get Matt Scahaub a few rounds later.

RBs that could yield huge value (after round 5) - Homeruns or bust:

- LenDale White - He has been named the starter. The Titans originally let Chris Brown go before bringing him back. Travis Henry ran wild behind this OL last year. White is essentially an unknown commodity, but could yield big returns.

- Warrick Dunn - Still the starting RB despite everyone assuming Norwood would take over by now. His injury in the preseason dropped his stock considerably and now respresents good value.

- DeShaun Foster - He has also held off DeAngelo Williams for now. He has had a horrible injury history, but has looked solid in the preseason. The Panthers have implemented a zone blocking scheme which should benefit Foster.

- Brandon Jackson, GB - They drafted him to be the starter. He has been slow to pick up the blitzes and hasn't shown much in the preseason games, but someone has to be the strating RB in Green Bay

- Vernard Morency, GB - Injuries held him out of most of the preseason. He is in direct competition with Brandon Jackson.

- Leon Washington, NYJ - Thomas Jones is less than 100%. He has shown flashes, but would likely need Thomas to get injured to have huge value.

- Brian Leonard, StL - Looked great in the preseason, but is behind Steven Jackson. Should have some value early because of his receptions, but real value would be if Jackson went down to injury.

- Jerome Harrison, Cle - Jamal Lewis has lost more than a step. I won't be shocked to see Harrison be the starter at some point this season.

- Kenton Keith, Ind - He is on a high explosive offense. Addai has never been a featured back in his career (always in some sort of committee) so predicting an injury for Addai isn't too far of a reach considering his likely workload.

- Adrian Peterson, Chi - Not a big fan of Cedric Benson's game at all. But the Bears have a great OL. If Benson were to go down to injury, Peterson's value would skyrocket.

- Michael Turner, SD - The Burner just needs the chance to play. Logjammed behind the best back in the game puts this firmly in the homerun or bust category.

- Sammy Morris, NE - The Patriots expect to run the ball a lot grinding out the clock in close games. Maroney will be the primary ball-carrier provided he can stay healthy. But if Maroney were to miss time, Morris' value would be big.

- Tony Hunt, Phi - Westbrook always seems to be dinged up. So bet on him getting injured and go with the player that offers huge upside here. Hunt should already get the goal line work with a healthy Westbrook. His value would skyrocket if Westbrook went down for an extended period of time.

Swinging for the Fences Wide Receivers - Homeruns or bust (after 5 rounds):

- Santonio Holmes, Pit - I expect him to be the number 1 WR (over Hines Ward) this season for the Steelers. In an offense that wants to throw deeper passes, Holmes could emerge as a star this season.

- Bernard Berrian, Chi - He has emerged as the clear #1 WR in Chicago. Grossman is inconsistent, but not afraid to throw the ball and have Berrian run underneath it. Expect a lot of big plays from Berrian this year.

- DJ Hackett, Sea - Deion Branch is the bigger name, but Hackett might end up the year as the Seahawks' #1 WR. He is an outstanding redzone target.

- Ronald Curry, Oak - He is better than Jerry Porter right now and wil show it in the boxscore each week.

- Brandon Marshall, Den - Unknown situation with someone who has freakish athletic talent. It won't shock me when he becomes a major star in this league.

- Jacoby Jones, Hou - I saw enough on a few catches to realize he is special. On the one endzone play he absolutely changed direction in mid-air to snag the TD. Freakish athletic talent always finds itself on the field. He will be starting very soon.

- Demetrius Williams, Bal - In my opinion, he is already better than a declining Derrick Mason. It's just a matter of time before he is the starter opposite of Mark Clayton. He wil be a huge redzone target too.

- James Jones, GB - The question isn't if he passes Greg Jennings on the depth chart, but when. I suspect he will play a lot even as the #3 WR because of his speed.

- Dwayne Bowe, KC - Had he been healthier, he would likely already be starting over old man Kennison or Samie Parker. I expect his playing time will continue to improve each week.

- Patrick Crayton, Dal - I think Glenn will indeed miss a lot of time (maybe the whole season). Crayton looks ready to fill that role.

- Craig Davis, SD - He is already starting after a great training camp. In this offense, that opportunity could mean a lot.

Tight Ends:

Besides the usual suspects like Witten, I like these guys later in the draft:

- Owen Daniels, Hou - With dangerous wideouts for defenses to be worried about, Owens should be able to catch a lot of passes in the middle of the field.

- Marcedes Lewis, Jac - The Jaguars cutting Jermain Wiggins tells the story about how much they love Lewis. He is completely flying under the radar, but should have a very productive season.

- Bo Scaife, Ten - Vince Young always seems to know where he is at on the field. I guess it's all those years playing together at the University of Texas.

- Eric Johnson, NO - Worse case you bank his huge week 1 game.

Good luck to everyone in the WCOFF. Hope the balls all bounce your way.

 
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I reconcile the difference by the fact they played a game on Thursday. And the VBD has not been updated since 9/3 (because we have to lock down the preseason to do the in-season work. Bush had a bad game and in a 11-week all-or-nothing format, that drops him quite a bit. I have him right after the 12 I listed. Drafting Bush in the first round puts you in a huge hole to win week 1 and I don't think that is adviseable in this format.

 
I reconcile the difference by the fact they played a game on Thursday. And the VBD has not been updated since 9/3 (because we have to lock down the preseason to do the in-season work. Bush had a bad game and in a 11-week all-or-nothing format, that drops him quite a bit. I have him right after the 12 I listed. Drafting Bush in the first round puts you in a huge hole to win week 1 and I don't think that is adviseable in this format.
Thanks for the response. I drafted Bush in my WCOFF satellite league and am hopeful that last night was just one bad game. It sounds like you would still consider him a first round pick in a total points format, which is a relief.
 
Sad that FBG has no one out here for this. Anyhow, David, I agree with some of your stuff, and disagree with other stuff. I cannot post it now, b/c BostonFred may be drafting with me again (you never know) ;)

 
One thing I disagree with vis a vis Bush...he had one of his floor games this week. You can pick him and bench him so no harm done, just make sure you get a decent other RB to start in his place. Since you need 3 RBs b/c of bye weeks, just consider this an extra bye for bush and start a wr in his place. (Heck, you could pick witten in the 9th and EJ in the 12th an start both of them and leave bush on the bench_) Same thing with Brees. His crappy game means you still get )a 4K and 25 TD guy and you can start your backup this week.

 
One thing I disagree with vis a vis Bush...he had one of his floor games this week. You can pick him and bench him so no harm done, just make sure you get a decent other RB to start in his place. Since you need 3 RBs b/c of bye weeks, just consider this an extra bye for bush and start a wr in his place. (Heck, you could pick witten in the 9th and EJ in the 12th an start both of them and leave bush on the bench_) Same thing with Brees. His crappy game means you still get )a 4K and 25 TD guy and you can start your backup this week.
You likely have to win 9 of your 11 games to get to play in week 12. I think it's crazy to spend a first draft pick with Bush when you know it has a great chance of costing you a win in week 1. I would look elsewhere. Just like Addai gets a bump, I think Bush moves down the list. Is 13 too harsh a move? Maybe.
 
One thing I disagree with vis a vis Bush...he had one of his floor games this week. You can pick him and bench him so no harm done, just make sure you get a decent other RB to start in his place. Since you need 3 RBs b/c of bye weeks, just consider this an extra bye for bush and start a wr in his place. (Heck, you could pick witten in the 9th and EJ in the 12th an start both of them and leave bush on the bench_) Same thing with Brees. His crappy game means you still get )a 4K and 25 TD guy and you can start your backup this week.
You likely have to win 9 of your 11 games to get to play in week 12. I think it's crazy to spend a first draft pick with Bush when you know it has a great chance of costing you a win in week 1. I would look elsewhere. Just like Addai gets a bump, I think Bush moves down the list. Is 13 too harsh a move? Maybe.
Not only that but Bush has a week 4 bye. So basically you are going to battle w/o your 1st pick twice out of the first 4 weeks. Thats tough to overcome in a 11 week season. I realize every player is done with byes in week 10, but at least you have a little more time to find a WW guy.David,You say that you like to take some swing for the fence picks so that you may win the whole thing (300,000k), but my experience has been that the top prize winners are usually a top 5 pick b/c they get the luxury of a Faulk, Alexander, LT etc. With those guys i agree that you have more room to swing and miss and still win your division and then go for the grand prize.But with the last half of the picks I think its important to go value in the later rounds and just grab productive yet boring guys. Basically make every pick count and try to win your bracket money (7000k), b/c odds are you arent gonna take the whole thing.What do you think?
 
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One thing I disagree with vis a vis Bush...he had one of his floor games this week. You can pick him and bench him so no harm done, just make sure you get a decent other RB to start in his place. Since you need 3 RBs b/c of bye weeks, just consider this an extra bye for bush and start a wr in his place. (Heck, you could pick witten in the 9th and EJ in the 12th an start both of them and leave bush on the bench_) Same thing with Brees. His crappy game means you still get )a 4K and 25 TD guy and you can start your backup this week.
You likely have to win 9 of your 11 games to get to play in week 12. I think it's crazy to spend a first draft pick with Bush when you know it has a great chance of costing you a win in week 1. I would look elsewhere. Just like Addai gets a bump, I think Bush moves down the list. Is 13 too harsh a move? Maybe.
Not only that but Bush has a week 4 bye. So basically you are going to battle w/o your 1st pick twice out of the first 4 weeks. Thats tough to overcome in a 11 week season. I realize every player is done with byes in week 10, but at least you have a little more time to find a WW guy.David,You say that you like to take some swing for the fence picks so that you may win the whole thing (300,000k), but my experience has been that the top prize winners are usually a top 5 pick b/c they get the luxury of a Faulk, Alexander, LT etc. With those guys i agree that you have more room to swing and miss and still win your division and then go for the grand prize.But with the last half of the picks I think its important to go value in the later rounds and just grab productive yet boring guys. Basically make every pick count and try to win your bracket money (7000k), b/c odds are you arent gonna take the whole thing.What do you think?
I don't think you will win with boring guys. You have to pick stable productive players in the first 6 rounds and then find the Anquan Boldin, Maurice Jones-Drew type players. Guys like Amani Toomer, etc may help you eek out a win in a tight week, but I think those kind of players are generally a losing strategy. Remember there are 1,000 teams you need to be better than. You need to hit on some value plays. Think of it like this. LT goes down. 80 teams just hit the lottery with Michael Turner. But that's still 80 teams. So to win you likely need to hit a couple of these plus have your studs stay healthy. So if Turner and Jacoby Jones hit, now you are an elite team.I do agree that the winner has generally had a top 3 pick and also hit on some of the home runs.
 
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Sad that FBG has no one out here for this. Anyhow, David, I agree with some of your stuff, and disagree with other stuff. I cannot post it now, b/c BostonFred may be drafting with me again (you never know) :goodposting:
I'd be curious to hear how this year's WCOFF compares to previous years. What with the new ownership and all.
 
I always find it a useful excercise to go back through my drafts and try to determine what the "ideal" pick would have been (hindsight being 20/20).

I went through this excercise for my recent WCOFF satellite draft and found some very interesting results.

I thought I was being clever and getting great value by waiting to draft my starting TE (Ben Watson in the 11th round). It turns out that my starting roster would be SIGNIFICANTLY better had I drafted Kellen Winslow or Jeremy Shockey when they were still available in the 7th round. This would have improved my starting roster by about 50 points.

I would also have done significantly better by grabbing Gates in round 3 (although not quite as well as getting Winslow or Shockey in round 7).

Bottom line: don't wait too long to get your starting TE. Pay close attention to the dropoffs at this position because it is far less linear than others.

 
One thing I disagree with vis a vis Bush...he had one of his floor games this week. You can pick him and bench him so no harm done, just make sure you get a decent other RB to start in his place. Since you need 3 RBs b/c of bye weeks, just consider this an extra bye for bush and start a wr in his place. (Heck, you could pick witten in the 9th and EJ in the 12th an start both of them and leave bush on the bench_) Same thing with Brees. His crappy game means you still get )a 4K and 25 TD guy and you can start your backup this week.
You likely have to win 9 of your 11 games to get to play in week 12. I think it's crazy to spend a first draft pick with Bush when you know it has a great chance of costing you a win in week 1. I would look elsewhere. Just like Addai gets a bump, I think Bush moves down the list. Is 13 too harsh a move? Maybe.
Here's my spiel on Bush. Gator and I are actually sharing a team and he wanted him at 1.10 and I didn't (I actually did a 180 and changed my mind after I analyzed it - I originally wanted him). He ended up going at 1.09, so it wasn't an issue, but here's my logic.Take a look at Bush's PPG from last year: 19.9, 15.3, 11.2, 11, 19.6, 10, 5.1, 5.7, 21.9, 18.9, 7.5, 49.8, 28.2, 8.3, 22.9, 11.3

That's 5 games at 10 points or less, and 8 games under 12 points. So basically, Bush is a home run each week or a meh starter. This was great when you could get him in the 3rd round last year, but this is not what I want out of my first round pick. Assuming this trend continues (as evidence by the first game) the first round is too much to pay for a guy who could #### the bed 3 or 4 times (plus his bye) in the first 11 weeks.

Consistency is extremely important in WCOFF, which is why I like to avoid guys like Galloway and Santana.

 
Digging Deep:

I tried to analyze the players that I think could represent homeruns based on their draft position. I define a homerun as someone who performs so well that they immediately surpass one of your top 5 picks. I think it's critical to try and land a few of these on your team. If a couple hit, you should have an elite roster.

Swinging for the Fences Wide Receivers - Homeruns or bust (after 5 rounds):

- Santonio Holmes, Pit - I expect him to be the number 1 WR (over Hines Ward) this season for the Steelers. In an offense that wants to throw deeper passes, Holmes could emerge as a star this season.

- Bernard Berrian, Chi - He has emerged as the clear #1 WR in Chicago. Grossman is inconsistent, but not afraid to throw the ball and have Berrian run underneath it. Expect a lot of big plays from Berrian this year.

- DJ Hackett, Sea - Deion Branch is the bigger name, but Hackett might end up the year as the Seahawks' #1 WR. He is an outstanding redzone target.

- Ronald Curry, Oak - He is better than Jerry Porter right now and wil show it in the boxscore each week.

- Brandon Marshall, Den - Unknown situation with someone who has freakish athletic talent. It won't shock me when he becomes a major star in this league.

- Jacoby Jones, Hou - I saw enough on a few catches to realize he is special. On the one endzone play he absolutely changed direction in mid-air to snag the TD. Freakish athletic talent always finds itself on the field. He will be starting very soon.

- Demetrius Williams, Bal - In my opinion, he is already better than a declining Derrick Mason. It's just a matter of time before he is the starter opposite of Mark Clayton. He wil be a huge redzone target too.

- James Jones, GB - The question isn't if he passes Greg Jennings on the depth chart, but when. I suspect he will play a lot even as the #3 WR because of his speed.

- Dwayne Bowe, KC - Had he been healthier, he would likely already be starting over old man Kennison or Samie Parker. I expect his playing time will continue to improve each week.

- Patrick Crayton, Dal - I think Glenn will indeed miss a lot of time (maybe the whole season). Crayton looks ready to fill that role.

- Craig Davis, SD - He is already starting after a great training camp. In this offense, that opportunity could mean a lot.

Tight Ends:

Besides the usual suspects like Witten, I like these guys later in the draft:

- Owen Daniels, Hou - With dangerous wideouts for defenses to be worried about, Owens should be able to catch a lot of passes in the middle of the field.

- Marcedes Lewis, Jac - The Jaguars cutting Jermain Wiggins tells the story about how much they love Lewis. He is completely flying under the radar, but should have a very productive season.

- Bo Scaife, Ten - Vince Young always seems to know where he is at on the field. I guess it's all those years playing together at the University of Texas.

- Eric Johnson, NO - Worse case you bank his huge week 1 game.

Good luck to everyone in the WCOFF. Hope the balls all bounce your way.
Jeez Dodds knock this out of the park. Bowe and Witten have been tearing it up for me.
 

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