WCOFF Satellite (1 Viewer)

[purestrength]

Donny, if you find out how to view the draft, that's fine. But please don't post a link. Those of us participating probably wouldn't want that.

Someone will post the results when the draft is complete, which is fine with me.

 

[Team Legacy]

fair enough

I completly understand this and nobody but league members can "view" the drafting at Xpertsleagues.com where the drafts are taking place.

Wrong again.

dont just say wrong..please tell me how I can view the draft then? Wrong again, waht was i wrong for in the first place?

Since you asked,You were wrong to post this:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4945015

Second, you don't have to be a league member to view the draft. All you need is a link, or even a league #.

 

[redCashion]

I've blocked the Satellite Leagues from public view guys.

 

[menobrown]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

 

[Team Legacy]

I've blocked the Satellite Leagues from public view guys.

Nicely done Jeremy. WCOFF and Payday participants thank you for always jumping on issues. Nobody has customer service like you! Seriously.

 

[Capt Hook]

The drafting is obviously a little slower over the weekend, but here is an update on my team.

1-6 Clinton Portis

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald

3-6 Donald Driver

4-7 DeShaun Foster

5-6 Jeremy Shockey

6-7 Rod Smith

7-6 Tom Brady

8-7 Terry Glenn

9-6 Kevan Barlow

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST

11-6 Duce Staley

12-7 Jake Plummer

13-6 Sammie Parker

 

[Capt Hook]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

meno - didn't know that was you hiding there

 

[Team Legacy]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

There's a definite theme of this team - Huge 05 Expectations and HUGE 05 letdowns. KJ, Andre, Ahman, Burleson and Bennett.

This team looks good, although it appears you've been playing some dynasty lately. Young, young players here.

Lamont starts your draft off right. KJ , I'm not so sure about. You know, he was drafted around the 15 spot last year. You take him at 20 here. Seems to me, after his performance from last year, it should knock him down more than 5 spots don't you think?

Love the Heap and Hass picks.

Chambers, Andre, Burleson and Roddy. Again, another Dynasty squad here.

This is the ultimate BOOM / BUST team. Each of those guys you drafted have shown EXPLOSIVE skills (which I like), but I'd like to see a proven vet or two just to satisfy the risk factor.

Good drafting Meno.

 

[Team Legacy]

The drafting is obviously a little slower over the weekend, but here is an update on my team.

1-6 Clinton Portis

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald

3-6 Donald Driver

4-7 DeShaun Foster

5-6 Jeremy Shockey

6-7 Rod Smith

7-6 Tom Brady

8-7 Terry Glenn

9-6 Kevan Barlow

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST

11-6 Duce Staley

12-7 Jake Plummer

13-6 (we are in the middle of the round now, I am next and have predrafted a WR)

First 3 picks are top notch. Even though I'm not a Foster fan, at 4.7, he's a player that would be hard to pass up. Shockey, Rod, Brady and Glenn are PERFECT picks between 5-8. These guys are always undervalued. THIS is what I was talking about with Meno's team. You've successfully BALANCED your youth and experience.

Another smart pick is Barlow. With Foster as your # 2, you need a player, not gambling on a superstar. As long as you can get 10-15 out of this pick on a few occasions, the rest of the team should carry the load.

Perry, SOLID!

 

[menobrown]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

There's a definite theme of this team - Huge 05 Expectations and HUGE 05 letdowns. KJ, Andre, Ahman, Burleson and Bennett.

This team looks good, although it appears you've been playing some dynasty lately. Young, young players here.

Lamont starts your draft off right. KJ , I'm not so sure about. You know, he was drafted around the 15 spot last year. You take him at 20 here. Seems to me, after his performance from last year, it should knock him down more than 5 spots don't you think?

Love the Heap and Hass picks.

Chambers, Andre, Burleson and Roddy. Again, another Dynasty squad here.

This is the ultimate BOOM / BUST team. Each of those guys you drafted have shown EXPLOSIVE skills (which I like), but I'd like to see a proven vet or two just to satisfy the risk factor.

Good drafting Meno.

The KJ pick, you one you appear to like the least of my picks, was both my easiest pick to make and the one pick that has me the most pleased with the draft. I think KJ went around 9-12 last year because he was coming off a year were he led the NFL in rushing over the second half of the season. I believe you were in my WCOFF league last year Legacy. If you were, KJ went 7th in that league so his drop to 18th is pretty steep. But last year is last year. I believe the coaching change is huge. Mariucci is a coach who does not ride a particular RB. He loves to use them in certain roles. For instance last year Mooch removed KJ on third downs. Now Mooch is gone and possibly the best offensive guru in the game is running the offense. Reports over the last week indicated KJ is catching 100 balls a day, has looked smooth in the passing drills and is expected to not come out on third downs. If you look at my team you will see I love to draft RB's who can catch, at least for PPR leagues. If the reports are true and KJ remains in the game on third downs, he's going to catch a lot of passes in Martz's offense. We'll see.I don't play Dynasty actually but I do agree with you that I took a lot of players with boom potential and you could say bust as well. But if you were in my WCOFF league last year you took AJ 2.12 or 3.1, a top 5 WR off the board. If he dissapoints me this year his expecations are not as great at the 4.08 pick and the 18th WR of the board. Same thing for Nate and Ahman who I have no illusions of ever being the back he was a few years ago.

I like my team but I also like a lot of teams in this league. For the next 3 months all we are going to have is opinions so I like to hear them.

 

[menobrown]

meno - didn't know that was you hiding there

I've been lurking in here since late Friday night. I've never posted in this forum but I checked into it to see if I could garner any additional informaton since news is pretty scarce this time of year and much to my surprise I found a thread about the league I'm in.

 

[EBF]

Team update:

1.12 - Torry Holt

2.01 - Caddy Williams

3.12 - Hines Ward

4.01 - Santana Moss

5.12 - Ron Dayne

6.01 - LenDale White

7.12 - Keyshawn Johnson

8.01 - Matt Jones

9.12 - Keenan McCardell

10.01 - Ben Roethlisberger

11.12 - Ben Troupe

12.01 - Michael Pittman

13.12 - Ben Watson

14.01 - Steve McNair

 

[Capt Hook]

And my team update - also through the 14th round

1-6 Clinton Portis

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald

3-6 Donald Driver

4-7 DeShaun Foster

5-6 Jeremy Shockey

6-7 Rod Smith

7-6 Tom Brady

8-7 Terry Glenn

9-6 Kevan Barlow

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST

11-6 Duce Staley

12-7 Jake Plummer

13-6 Sammie Parker

14-7 Bobby Engram

 

[EBF]

And my team update - also through the 14th round

1-6 Clinton Portis

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald

3-6 Donald Driver

4-7 DeShaun Foster

5-6 Jeremy Shockey

6-7 Rod Smith

7-6 Tom Brady

8-7 Terry Glenn

9-6 Kevan Barlow

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST

11-6 Duce Staley

12-7 Jake Plummer

13-6 Sammie Parker

14-7 Bobby Engram

Staley is an interesting option this year. I'm not really sold on Willie Parker as a full-time starter, so I think there's definitely opportunity for someone else to step up there.

 

[EBF]

Putting the finishing touches on this team:

1.12 - Torry Holt

2.01 - Cadillac Williams

3.12 - Hines Ward

4.01 - Santana Moss

5.12 - Ron Dayne

6.01 - LenDale White

7.12 - Keyshawn Johnson

8.01 - Matt Jones

9.12 - Keenan McCardell

10.01 - Ben Roethlisberger

11.12 - Ben Troupe

12.01 - Michael Pittman

13.12 - Ben Watson

14.01 - Steve McNair

15.12 - Jabar Gaffney

16.01 - Philip Rivers

17.12 - Maurice Drew

18.01 - William Green

QBs - Roethlisberger, McNair, Rivers

I had never intended to draft 3 QBs, but the motorcycle wreck forced my hand. McNair should be decent when healthy. Rivers is a bit of a mystery, but the early reports are good. I don't expect big yardage from him, but Gates should help with his TD numbers.

This group will be mediocre without Roethlisberger, but you can win in these leagues with mediocre QBs.

RBs - Cadillac, Dayne, White, Pittman, Drew, W. Green

I was hoping for Brian Westbrook or Steven Jackson at 2.01, but neither guy lasted. I was left with my choice of Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. I ultimately decided to go with the safer pick. Cadillac might not be great next year, but he should be solid.

Dayne and White will probably determine the fate of my season. If they both pan out, then I'll be tough to beat. If they both flop, then my team will have a tough time competing. It's a gamble, but I liked the odds at 5.12 and 6.01. Mike Anderson was a top 15 RB last year in this format. If Dayne can hold down that job, then he should contend for that kind of status.

I noticed that a lot of last year's top teams had Larry Johnson on the roster. In order to win a tough league like this, I think you need some guys who can explode and have monster seasons. I think LenDale White fits that mold. He has the potential to step in and immediately handle 300 carries. Hopefully he gets healthy and plays hungry.

Pittman was a necessary evil as a handcuff. When he starts, he scores a lot. Cadillac hasn't shown that he can stay healthy, so I felt that it was necessary to secure his backup, even at a slightly-inflated cost (12.01).

I'm counting on Drew to get a few catches to cover me during byes. William Green has the potential to emerge in the event of an injury. Reuben Droughns only averaged 3.6 YPC over his last 8 starts and was shut down on several occasions. He appears to have good job security, but it's not as if he's LT.

WRs - Holt, Ward, S. Moss, M. Jones, Keyshawn, McCardell, Gaffney

I'm very happy with this group. Holt is a beast in this format. Ward and Moss should be solid. McCardell and Keyshawn are good depth.

Matt Jones has that breakout potential that I was talking about. He's a good fit among this group of veterans.

Gaffney just might be the best WR on the Eagles and was worth a 15th round pick.

TEs - Troupe, Watson

Both of these guys were fringe starters last year and I think they each offer nice upside with minimal risk.

 

[Team Legacy]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

There's a definite theme of this team - Huge 05 Expectations and HUGE 05 letdowns. KJ, Andre, Ahman, Burleson and Bennett.

This team looks good, although it appears you've been playing some dynasty lately. Young, young players here.

Lamont starts your draft off right. KJ , I'm not so sure about. You know, he was drafted around the 15 spot last year. You take him at 20 here. Seems to me, after his performance from last year, it should knock him down more than 5 spots don't you think?

Love the Heap and Hass picks.

Chambers, Andre, Burleson and Roddy. Again, another Dynasty squad here.

This is the ultimate BOOM / BUST team. Each of those guys you drafted have shown EXPLOSIVE skills (which I like), but I'd like to see a proven vet or two just to satisfy the risk factor.

Good drafting Meno.

The KJ pick, you one you appear to like the least of my picks, was both my easiest pick to make and the one pick that has me the most pleased with the draft. I think KJ went around 9-12 last year because he was coming off a year were he led the NFL in rushing over the second half of the season. I believe you were in my WCOFF league last year Legacy. If you were, KJ went 7th in that league so his drop to 18th is pretty steep.

I won league 34 last year, I don't believe you were in it. KJ at 18 seems high to me. Out of all the staffers here, only 1 ranked KJ #18. The average ranking was much higher.

RB Kevin Jones, DET 18 26 30 23 29 35 28 35 22 24 45 29 26 36 28.6

Not sure how else I can say it. It looks like its the consensus opinion.

Best of luck!

 

[menobrown]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

There's a definite theme of this team - Huge 05 Expectations and HUGE 05 letdowns. KJ, Andre, Ahman, Burleson and Bennett.

This team looks good, although it appears you've been playing some dynasty lately. Young, young players here.

Lamont starts your draft off right. KJ , I'm not so sure about. You know, he was drafted around the 15 spot last year. You take him at 20 here. Seems to me, after his performance from last year, it should knock him down more than 5 spots don't you think?

Love the Heap and Hass picks.

Chambers, Andre, Burleson and Roddy. Again, another Dynasty squad here.

This is the ultimate BOOM / BUST team. Each of those guys you drafted have shown EXPLOSIVE skills (which I like), but I'd like to see a proven vet or two just to satisfy the risk factor.

Good drafting Meno.

The KJ pick, you one you appear to like the least of my picks, was both my easiest pick to make and the one pick that has me the most pleased with the draft. I think KJ went around 9-12 last year because he was coming off a year were he led the NFL in rushing over the second half of the season. I believe you were in my WCOFF league last year Legacy. If you were, KJ went 7th in that league so his drop to 18th is pretty steep.

I won league 34 last year, I don't believe you were in it. KJ at 18 seems high to me. Out of all the staffers here, only 1 ranked KJ #18. The average ranking was much higher. RB Kevin Jones, DET 18 26 30 23 29 35 28 35 22 24 45 29 26 36 28.6

Not sure how else I can say it. It looks like its the consensus opinion.

Best of luck!

Sorry, I got you confused. I don't even remember what WCOFF league I was in last year but I won it so we were not in the same league.As for the staff rankings on KJ let me say a few things. Number one do they take into account pass receptions? Last year in WCOFF I firmly believed Lamont Jordan would catch a lot of passes so I selected him #9. Much higher than the consensus. Truth is he disappointed me in the running game but his pass catching made him a great pick for me and he was far better in PPR leagues than the "experts" and the consensus opinion.

What I got with the 18th pick was a talented RB who is not a part of a RBBC, who will be playing for an OC whose worst offensive rankings since 2000 is #5 in the league, an OC who has made productive fantasy stars out of multiple WR's, RB's and Qb's and whose offense generally has the RB's catching over 80 passes a year.

The reason I joined this league was I liked the idea of being able to draft before the consensus builds for a player and his stock rises and I believe KJ is one of those guys whose stock is going to be considerably higher in late August and early September and it's going to get higher after that.

 

[menobrown]

Matt Jones has that breakout potential that I was talking about. He's a good fit among this group of veterans.

You broke my heart with this pick. Not only do I think he is going to break out this year but as an Arkansas alum I would have enjoyed having him do it on my team. I had examined 5 different mocks on antsports and he never went before the 10th round. I of course knew Adam Shefter of NFL Network had recently reported he was assuming Jimmy Smiths positions so I was worried he would not make but I was going to pick him at 9.05 but you beat me to it and beat me to it by a lot.

 

[Capt Hook]

Here is the latest update on my draft:

1-6 Clinton Portis

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald

3-6 Donald Driver

4-7 DeShaun Foster

5-6 Jeremy Shockey

6-7 Rod Smith

7-6 Tom Brady

8-7 Terry Glenn

9-6 Kevan Barlow

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST

11-6 Duce Staley

12-7 Jake Plummer

13-6 Sammie Parker

14-7 Bobby Engram

15-6 Maurice Morris

16-7 Jeb Putzier

17-6 David Akers

18-7 Antwaan Randle El

I must say that this is a very strong group of drafters - not surprising as you know many of the regulars from here - certainly radballs and EBF are two of the top drafters on the boards. But the entire league waited correctly on quarterbacks and aside from occassional personal preferences were very close to estimated value.

At least in the last two rounds most of them won't be in my way looking for some late round gems as they will have to draft a kicker and/or defense to fill out their rosters.

 

[EBF]

Here is the latest update on my draft:

1-6 Clinton Portis

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald

3-6 Donald Driver

4-7 DeShaun Foster

5-6 Jeremy Shockey

6-7 Rod Smith

7-6 Tom Brady

8-7 Terry Glenn

9-6 Kevan Barlow

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST

11-6 Duce Staley

12-7 Jake Plummer

13-6 Sammie Parker

14-7 Bobby Engram

15-6 Maurice Morris

16-7 Jeb Putzier

17-6 David Akers

18-7 Antwaan Randle El

I must say that this is a very strong group of drafters - not surprising as you know many of the regulars from here - certainly radballs and EBF are two of the top drafters on the boards. But the entire league waited correctly on quarterbacks and aside from occassional personal preferences were very close to estimated value.

At least in the last two rounds most of them won't be in my way looking for some late round gems as they will have to draft a kicker and/or defense to fill out their rosters.

I like a lot of your picks. Randle El in the 18th is nice. I like the Maurice Morris pick because I think Shaun Alexander is a bit of an injury risk. This is going to be a very tough league. The winner is going to have to catch some major breaks.

 

[EBF]

Matt Jones has that breakout potential that I was talking about. He's a good fit among this group of veterans.

You broke my heart with this pick. Not only do I think he is going to break out this year but as an Arkansas alum I would have enjoyed having him do it on my team. I had examined 5 different mocks on antsports and he never went before the 10th round. I of course knew Adam Shefter of NFL Network had recently reported he was assuming Jimmy Smiths positions so I was worried he would not make but I was going to pick him at 9.05 but you beat me to it and beat me to it by a lot.

Jones is one of my top WR targets this year. Of all the young receivers out there, he seems like one of the better bets to break into the upper ranks.

 

[CA_7]

I'm in this league as well and here is my team so far:

1:05- Lamont Jordan

2:08- Kevin Jones

3:05- Chris Chambers

4:08- Andre Johnson

5:05- Todd Heap

6:08- Ahman Green

7:05- Matt Hasselbeck

8:08- Nate Burleson

9:05- Chris Perry

10:08-Roddy White

11:05- Aaron Brooks

12:08- Michael Bennett

There's a definite theme of this team - Huge 05 Expectations and HUGE 05 letdowns. KJ, Andre, Ahman, Burleson and Bennett.

This team looks good, although it appears you've been playing some dynasty lately. Young, young players here.

Lamont starts your draft off right. KJ , I'm not so sure about. You know, he was drafted around the 15 spot last year. You take him at 20 here. Seems to me, after his performance from last year, it should knock him down more than 5 spots don't you think?

Love the Heap and Hass picks.

Chambers, Andre, Burleson and Roddy. Again, another Dynasty squad here.

This is the ultimate BOOM / BUST team. Each of those guys you drafted have shown EXPLOSIVE skills (which I like), but I'd like to see a proven vet or two just to satisfy the risk factor.

Good drafting Meno.

The KJ pick, you one you appear to like the least of my picks, was both my easiest pick to make and the one pick that has me the most pleased with the draft. I think KJ went around 9-12 last year because he was coming off a year were he led the NFL in rushing over the second half of the season. I believe you were in my WCOFF league last year Legacy. If you were, KJ went 7th in that league so his drop to 18th is pretty steep.

I won league 34 last year, I don't believe you were in it. KJ at 18 seems high to me. Out of all the staffers here, only 1 ranked KJ #18. The average ranking was much higher. RB Kevin Jones, DET 18 26 30 23 29 35 28 35 22 24 45 29 26 36 28.6

Not sure how else I can say it. It looks like its the consensus opinion.

Best of luck!

KJ is 15th now. Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

 

[menobrown]

KJ is 15th now. Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

 

[Capt Hook]

Okay, drafting finished. Here is my complete team with (B) bye weeks added

1-6 Clinton Portis (8)

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald (9)

3-6 Donald Driver (6)

4-7 DeShaun Foster (9)

5-6 Jeremy Shockey (4)

6-7 Rod Smith (4)

7-6 Tom Brady (6)

8-7 Terry Glenn (3)

9-6 Kevan Barlow (7)

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST (9)

11-6 Duce Staley (4)

12-7 Jake Plummer (4)

13-6 Sammie Parker (3)

14-7 Bobby Engram (5)

15-6 Maurice Morris (5)

16-7 Jeb Putzier (5)

17-6 David Akers (9)

18-7 Antwaan Randle El (8)

19-6 Quentin Griffin (3)

20-7 Cedric Cobbs (4)

QB - Brady and Plummer

RB - Portis, Foster, Barlow, Staley, M. Morris, Griffin, Cobbs

WR - Fitzgerald, Driver, R. Smith, Glenn, S. Parker, Engram, Randle El

TE - Shockey, Putzier

K - Akers

DT - Carolina

I think the team is solid. There are no bye week issues (well until week 9, but that gives me plenty of time to restructure the team for that week and the playoffs)

I have A top 5 QB, top 5 RB, top WR, top 5 TE, top 5 K and top 5 DST with plenty of solid WR and a mix of secondary RB who could play every week and those who might come from nowhere to be played (Griffin and Cobbs).

I must give props to all my competitors as this was a fast, well drafted league.

 

[Team Legacy]

KJ is 15th now.  Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

 

[purestrength]

I must give props to all my competitors as this was a fast, well drafted league.

It did go rather smoothly, didn't it?

 

[LHUCKS]

KJ is 15th now.  Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

I agree with Legacy here, I'd rather take a crack at some of the top-flight WRs than take on KJ's risk.

 

[Capt Hook]

KJ is 15th now.  Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

I agree with Legacy here, I'd rather take a crack at some of the top-flight WRs than take on KJ's risk.

LHUCKS - why don't you get in the next satellite and draft with us?

 

[LHUCKS]

KJ is 15th now.  Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

I agree with Legacy here, I'd rather take a crack at some of the top-flight WRs than take on KJ's risk.

LHUCKS - why don't you get in the next satellite and draft with us?

My life is a little hectic right now but I've been considering it.

 

[menobrown]

KJ is 15th now. Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

I agree with Legacy here, I'd rather take a crack at some of the top-flight WRs than take on KJ's risk.

Legacy, I'm not drinking any juice fella. Drinking juice would imply I picked KJ because of the consensus when you just left a post yesterday pointing out the consensus on KJ was not high. You don't like KJ, I do. I'm just glad the rest of my league felt the way you do and I think I got a top 10 RB at the 20th spot in the draft.

 

[Iron_Far]

Which is the next satellite that all the FBGs are getting in on?

 

[menobrown]

Okay, drafting finished. Here is my complete team with (B) bye weeks added

1-6 Clinton Portis (8)

2-7 Larry Fitzgerald (9)

3-6 Donald Driver (6)

4-7 DeShaun Foster (9)

5-6 Jeremy Shockey (4)

6-7 Rod Smith (4)

7-6 Tom Brady (6)

8-7 Terry Glenn (3)

9-6 Kevan Barlow (7)

10-7 Carolina Panthers DST (9)

11-6 Duce Staley (4)

12-7 Jake Plummer (4)

13-6 Sammie Parker (3)

14-7 Bobby Engram (5)

15-6 Maurice Morris (5)

16-7 Jeb Putzier (5)

17-6 David Akers (9)

18-7 Antwaan Randle El (8)

19-6 Quentin Griffin (3)

20-7 Cedric Cobbs (4)

QB - Brady and Plummer

RB - Portis, Foster, Barlow, Staley, M. Morris, Griffin, Cobbs

WR - Fitzgerald, Driver, R. Smith, Glenn, S. Parker, Engram, Randle El

TE - Shockey, Putzier

K - Akers

DT - Carolina

I think the team is solid. There are no bye week issues (well until week 9, but that gives me plenty of time to restructure the team for that week and the playoffs)

I have A top 5 QB, top 5 RB, top WR, top 5 TE, top 5 K and top 5 DST with plenty of solid WR and a mix of secondary RB who could play every week and those who might come from nowhere to be played (Griffin and Cobbs).

I must give props to all my competitors as this was a fast, well drafted league.

It's going to be interesting for me to see how some of the players on your team perform versus some players on mine. What I'm about to tell you is not an exaggeration in any way. Most of the time I knew exactly who I wanted to pick but 3 times during this draft I was faced with a tough decision between 2 players and each time you took the player I passed on immedately after I did. It was almost uncanny.It started with my hardest pick to make, the first pick. It came down to Lamont versus Portis. We took Lamont, you than took Portis. My next difficult decison came down to Heap versus Shockey. I went with Heap and you took Shockey next. Finally in round 7 it came down to Brady vs Hasselbeck, I went with Hassell and you took Brady next.

I was in a satellite league last year that did not have a live draft and this one went much smoother and faster. I don't know any of you and I've never been in a league with any of you but I do recognize your names from WCOFF and I look forward to battling it out.

 

[Team Legacy]

KJ is 15th now.  Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

I agree with Legacy here, I'd rather take a crack at some of the top-flight WRs than take on KJ's risk.

Legacy, I'm not drinking any juice fella. Drinking juice would imply I picked KJ because of the consensus when you just left a post yesterday pointing out the consensus on KJ was not high. You don't like KJ, I do. I'm just glad the rest of my league felt the way you do and I think I got a top 10 RB at the 20th spot in the draft.

Please don't put words in my mouth. Re-read my post and maybe you'll get it next time. I personally wouldn't pick KJ at 15 in 2006. You did, good luck. I like your draft, but most of the guys are heavy on the risk. Many of them under-achieved. I like to balance my squads more than this. Your squad could easily win it all or come in dead last. Boom or bust. Statistically speaking, we won't see that many rebounding efforts from one year to the next.

 

[menobrown]

KJ is 15th now. Maybe the staff caugh wind of meno drafting him in the mid 2nd?

Actually KJ is the 9th rated RB in those rankings if you factor in our scoring system with the one point per catch and that's right about were I have him ranked. This is why I was glad to get him as the 15th RB taken and 20th player off the board. Maybe he'll let me down but I did not take him to early.

Keep drinking the juice boys. I am not hating on him, I just can't justify it with the pick. He's the same back I drafted at pick 21 in NFFC and it was SORELY disappointing. Can he rebound? Sure, but you won't see him on a Team Legacy squad that high, no way. Not after what I saw last year.

I agree with Legacy here, I'd rather take a crack at some of the top-flight WRs than take on KJ's risk.

Legacy, I'm not drinking any juice fella. Drinking juice would imply I picked KJ because of the consensus when you just left a post yesterday pointing out the consensus on KJ was not high. You don't like KJ, I do. I'm just glad the rest of my league felt the way you do and I think I got a top 10 RB at the 20th spot in the draft.

Please don't put words in my mouth. Re-read my post and maybe you'll get it next time. I personally wouldn't pick KJ at 15 in 2006. You did, good luck. I like your draft, but most of the guys are heavy on the risk. Many of them under-achieved. I like to balance my squads more than this. Your squad could easily win it all or come in dead last. Boom or bust. Statistically speaking, we won't see that many rebounding efforts from one year to the next.

Maybe I'd understand what you are saying if you would be more consistent. First you say you don't like my KJ pick because I picked him to high and than proceed to list a group of "experts" rankings to back it up. Than when it's pointed out to that this very site rates him #9 you say I'm drinking the juice. So I'm drinking the juice if I listen to this site's #9 rankings but I picked him to high based the "consensus" of experts. It seems I can't win. I get it, you don't value him highly and apparently most of my league mates don't either and I was very glad for that. I've got zero buyers remorse when it comes to KJ.I don't see were my team is as boom or bust as you indicate. If I finish last it will be because my team is busted up with injuries but than that's the way it usually is with most teams in a competitive league. The healthy teams will usually rise to the top.

The way I see it I've got 3 guys who I'm looking to rebound. KJ, Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson and to some degree injuries played at least a part of the decline for all 3. I also feel it's worth mentioning that almost every single player last year on the Vikes, Lions, and Texans had disapointing fantasy years, it was not just the guys I drafted. Now Nate is on a new team and KJ and AJ play for different HC's with new systems in place. As for KJ I it's not even so much that I need him to play a lot better I just need him to stay healthy and get the ball more than he did last year which reports suggest what is going to happen. I think the thing you are forgetting is that I got these guys considerably lower than were they went last year. The expectations I have for Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson are not the expectations fantasy owners had for them last season. Last year Andre Johnson was a third round pick in most leagues, usually a top 8 WR selected and most teams WR1 while Burleson was a late third to fourth rounder who was most teams WR1 or WR2. Andre was the 18th WR taken in our draft and my WR2 while Burleson was an 8th rounder and my WR3. If these guys fail to produce what people thought they would produce last year it's not going to kill my team.

I had to edit this to add something. Do you guys ever have a guy you just drafted that when you think of your team you always forget about him? This year I keep forgetting Ahman Green. So, now that I remember him you can add him to the list of people I am hoping to rebound but again, my hope for him is to be healthy and play a role with the team not be the Ahman Green of a few years ago.

 

[Team Legacy]

Maybe I'd understand what you are saying if you would be more consistent. First you say you don't like my KJ pick because I picked him to high and than proceed to list a group of "experts" rankings to back it up.

This is true.

Than when it's pointed out to that this very site rates him #9 you say I'm drinking the juice. So I'm drinking the juice if I listen to this site's #9 rankings but I picked him to high based the "consensus" of experts. It seems I can't win.

I simply stated I wouldn't draft him at 15, nor would the consensus of the experts (who currently have him at #24) Joe and David's ranking have him 9, mine don't.

I get it, you don't value him highly and apparently most of my league mates don't either and I was very glad for that. I've got zero buyers remorse when it comes to KJ.

Nor did I last year when I drafted him at 21. I was so estatic, "zero buyer remorse" as you put it. I started my NFFC Draft with Peyton, KJ and Andre Johnson, what a squad I thought! To expect me to believe Mike Martz is a miracle man, I don't buy it. Kitna and McCown? I don't care who is behind that offensive line. Not to mention I can have guys like Dom Davis, Larry Fitzgerald, Tory Holt, and Brian Westbrook? I'm not buying that high period, not now, not in August.

I don't see were my team is as boom or bust as you indicate. If I finish last it will be because my team is busted up with injuries but than that's the way it usually is with most teams in a competitive league. The healthy teams will usually rise to the top.

The way I see it I've got 3 guys who I'm looking to rebound. KJ, Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson and to some degree injuries played at least a part of the decline for all 3. I also feel it's worth mentioning that almost every single player last year on the Vikes, Lions, and Texans had disapointing fantasy years, it was not just the guys I drafted. Now Nate is on a new team and KJ and AJ play for different HC's with new systems in place. As for KJ I it's not even so much that I need him to play a lot better I just need him to stay healthy and get the ball more than he did last year which reports suggest what is going to happen.

You need 4 of your first 8 to rebound - Kevin Jones, Andre Johnson, Burleson and Ahman. That's too much risk IMO, but what do I know right?

I think the thing you are forgetting is that I got these guys considerably lower than were they went last year. The expectations I have for Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson are not the expectations fantasy owners had for them last season. Last year Andre Johnson was a third round pick in most leagues, usually a top 8 WR selected and most teams WR1 while Burleson was a late third to fourth rounder who was most teams WR1 or WR2. Andre was the 18th WR taken in our draft and my WR2 while Burleson was an 8th rounder and my WR3. If these guys fail to produce what people thought they would produce last year it's not going to kill my team.

I like Andre at 18. As a #2, I like him even more. Balanced on a team with more consistent year in year out production, he'd fit in nicely on my squad. Same goes for Burleson. I like the kid, he has a ton of potential. If he were 3rd behind a Steve Smith and a Derrick Mason, I'd be stoked about him. I like Burleson even more as a Dynasty prospect. Give him a year with Hass to develop and I think next year might be huge. And I disagree. If these guys fail to produce, it will kill your team. You absolutely need solid WR production to win in the WCOFF.

Best of luck. I'm not hating on your team, I'm really not. I said before I liked the squad, I just think it needs 1 or 2 more Heap/Hasselback "steady producer" types.

 

[Team Legacy]

good lord, what's coming..

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[menobrown]

To expect me to believe Mike Martz is a miracle man, I don't buy it. I don't care who is behind that offensive line. Not to mention I can have guys like Dom Davis, Larry Fitzgerald, Tory Holt, and Brian Westbrook? I'm not buying that high period, not now, not in August.

And I disagree. If these guys fail to produce, it will kill your team. You absolutely need solid WR production to win in the WCOFF.

Best of luck. I'm not hating on your team, I'm really not. I said before I liked the squad, I just think it needs 1 or 2 more Heap/Hasselback "steady producer" types.

A few quick things on some of these points.Yes I do believe Mike Martz is a miracle worker at producing high producing offenses. The numbers don't lie and he's done it multiple players at key positions.

I also would have rather had Dom Davis and Westbrook over Jones. They were long gone but if I had drafted them I also would have needed them to rebound from their past injury woes. I would not have rather had Holt or Fitzgerald but they were also gone, long gone in Holts case. I think Kevin Jones value is increased even higher right now than in August because so many RB situations are not resolved that will be by that time. I think that adds to the value of a guy whose carries are not being threatened.

If these guys play like they did last year than my team will suck. What I said was I don't need them to play like they were expected to heading into last season when they were drafted much higher but I do need them to have better seasons than last year.

 

[Team Legacy]

A few quick things on some of these points.Yes I do believe Mike Martz is a miracle worker at producing high producing offenses. The numbers don't lie and he's done it multiple players at key positions.

Now I'm curious, which players has Mike Martz been "miracle worker" for?I'm sure Kurt Warner comes to mind but he did pretty good without Martz last year and it would seem producing a QB doesn't correlate with producing high calibre RBs. I'm not being rude, I really would like to know this information. Do you consider Marshall Faulk a product of Mike Martz? One of the BEST RBs of all time, is that due to Martz working a miracle? Tory Holt? Bruce? Curious to hear others opinions on this as well.

 

[menobrown]

A few quick things on some of these points.

Yes I do believe Mike Martz is a miracle worker at producing high producing offenses. The numbers don't lie and he's done it multiple players at key positions.

Now I'm curious, which players has Mike Martz been "miracle worker" for?I'm sure Kurt Warner comes to mind but he did pretty good without Martz last year and it would seem producing a QB doesn't correlate with producing high calibre RBs.

I'm not being rude, I really would like to know this information.

Do you consider Marshall Faulk a product of Mike Martz? One of the BEST RBs of all time, is that due to Martz working a miracle? Tory Holt? Bruce? Curious to hear others opinions on this as well.

St. Louis has had a top 5 offense 6 straight years and he's the only contstants have been Holt and a declining Bruce. He's shown the ability to get it done with a different cast of players.

 

[menobrown]

A few quick things on some of these points.

Yes I do believe Mike Martz is a miracle worker at producing high producing offenses. The numbers don't lie and he's done it multiple players at key positions.

Now I'm curious, which players has Mike Martz been "miracle worker" for?I'm sure Kurt Warner comes to mind but he did pretty good without Martz last year and it would seem producing a QB doesn't correlate with producing high calibre RBs.

I'm not being rude, I really would like to know this information.

Do you consider Marshall Faulk a product of Mike Martz? One of the BEST RBs of all time, is that due to Martz working a miracle? Tory Holt? Bruce? Curious to hear others opinions on this as well.

St. Louis has had a top 5 offense 6 straight years and he's the only contstants have been Holt and a declining Bruce. He's shown the ability to get it done with a different cast of players.

I took the time to look this up. I think it's important to see what the RB's not named Faulk have been able to do under Martz. I could only locate stats going back to the 2001 season. Between the 2001-2004 season Faulk missed 11 starts.(Seems like more does not it not?). In those 11 starts Faulk missed when I add up the numbers for the top replacement in each game combined it totals 227.59 points based on the WCOFF scoring system. This is 20.69 fantasy points per game.In Jackson 15 starts last year he put 239.6 points for an average of 15.97 per game and that's with Faulk stealing a lot of his third down action.

In summary, in Martz's last 26 games without Marshall Faulk as the starting RB they are getting 18.68 fantasy points per game from the lead runner per game.

 

[purestrength]

Which is the next satellite that all the FBGs are getting in on?

Some, including myself, are entered for a live draft at 8 p.m. Monday, June 26.If you need a link for the signup, I can provide it.

Just watch out if you happen to draft Kevin Jones.

 

[Team Legacy]

A few quick things on some of these points.

Yes I do believe Mike Martz is a miracle worker at producing high producing offenses. The numbers don't lie and he's done it multiple players at key positions.

Now I'm curious, which players has Mike Martz been "miracle worker" for?I'm sure Kurt Warner comes to mind but he did pretty good without Martz last year and it would seem producing a QB doesn't correlate with producing high calibre RBs.

I'm not being rude, I really would like to know this information.

Do you consider Marshall Faulk a product of Mike Martz? One of the BEST RBs of all time, is that due to Martz working a miracle? Tory Holt? Bruce? Curious to hear others opinions on this as well.

St. Louis has had a top 5 offense 6 straight years and he's the only contstants have been Holt and a declining Bruce. He's shown the ability to get it done with a different cast of players.

I took the time to look this up. I think it's important to see what the RB's not named Faulk have been able to do under Martz. I could only locate stats going back to the 2001 season. Between the 2001-2004 season Faulk missed 11 starts.(Seems like more does not it not?). In those 11 starts Faulk missed when I add up the numbers for the top replacement in each game combined it totals 227.59 points based on the WCOFF scoring system. This is 20.69 fantasy points per game.In Jackson 15 starts last year he put 239.6 points for an average of 15.97 per game and that's with Faulk stealing a lot of his third down action.

In summary, in Martz's last 26 games without Marshall Faulk as the starting RB they are getting 18.68 fantasy points per game from the lead runner per game.

Good analysis Meno. I guess I see that the St Louis situation seems to stem from VERY talented players at key positions. Jackson was top 1-2 RBs before being drafted by St Louis. Holt a top 3 wideout. Faulk the top RB prospect. So can the same be said for Denny Green and Arizona's high powered offense?

What about Tony Dungy, "Mr. Defense" and his high powered Colts?

More than anything, I think Warner was a Martz miracle, but he's lived on past Martz, so even that theory is a little debunked.

Martz definitely brings offense to the table, no question, but I don't see guys EXPLODING due to his presence. They need an offensive line and a QB. If they develop this year, KJ and Roy could BOTH be explosive, but then again, they were drafted in the top 2 at their position just a few years back so they're supposed to be good.

 

[menobrown]

A few quick things on some of these points.

Yes I do believe Mike Martz is a miracle worker at producing high producing offenses. The numbers don't lie and he's done it multiple players at key positions.

Now I'm curious, which players has Mike Martz been "miracle worker" for?I'm sure Kurt Warner comes to mind but he did pretty good without Martz last year and it would seem producing a QB doesn't correlate with producing high calibre RBs.

I'm not being rude, I really would like to know this information.

Do you consider Marshall Faulk a product of Mike Martz? One of the BEST RBs of all time, is that due to Martz working a miracle? Tory Holt? Bruce? Curious to hear others opinions on this as well.

St. Louis has had a top 5 offense 6 straight years and he's the only contstants have been Holt and a declining Bruce. He's shown the ability to get it done with a different cast of players.

I took the time to look this up. I think it's important to see what the RB's not named Faulk have been able to do under Martz. I could only locate stats going back to the 2001 season. Between the 2001-2004 season Faulk missed 11 starts.(Seems like more does not it not?). In those 11 starts Faulk missed when I add up the numbers for the top replacement in each game combined it totals 227.59 points based on the WCOFF scoring system. This is 20.69 fantasy points per game.In Jackson 15 starts last year he put 239.6 points for an average of 15.97 per game and that's with Faulk stealing a lot of his third down action.

In summary, in Martz's last 26 games without Marshall Faulk as the starting RB they are getting 18.68 fantasy points per game from the lead runner per game.

Good analysis Meno. I guess I see that the St Louis situation seems to stem from VERY talented players at key positions. Jackson was top 1-2 RBs before being drafted by St Louis. Holt a top 3 wideout. Faulk the top RB prospect. So can the same be said for Denny Green and Arizona's high powered offense?

What about Tony Dungy, "Mr. Defense" and his high powered Colts?

More than anything, I think Warner was a Martz miracle, but he's lived on past Martz, so even that theory is a little debunked.

Martz definitely brings offense to the table, no question, but I don't see guys EXPLODING due to his presence. They need an offensive line and a QB. If they develop this year, KJ and Roy could BOTH be explosive, but then again, they were drafted in the top 2 at their position just a few years back so they're supposed to be good.

Martz has had talent in St. Louis but what I was pointing out is is that he has done it with a different cast of players. You have referenced Warner a few times but what about Bulger? I think at some point Martz deserves credit for the fact that St. Louis has had a top 5 offense 6 straight years with an undrafted QB, a 6th rounder playing QB , and several games were they had to use the like of Jamie Martin and Fitzpatrick. In the satellite league Kitna and Josh McCown as well as Roy Williams, Corey Bradford, Eddie Drummond, and Charles Rogers were all drafted by teams other than me so I think most people feel some of those players are going to have productive years. Not sure if another team saw both QB's and 4 WR's get drafted. As I pointed out earlier the 11 games over the past 4 years that neither Jackson or Faulk was the primary ball carrier saw those backs go for almost 21 fantasy points per game. Those 11 games included starts by the likes of Trung Canidate, Lamar Gordon, and Arlen Harris. I think when looking at a back in Martz's system it's important to see that they don't need to explode as a runner for them to be a good pick in a PPR leage. It's like I pointed out with Lamont Jordan last year. He really ran pretty poorly in my opinion but he ended up being an upper echelon back in PPR leagues. If Kevin Jones barely cracks 1,000 yards in a 16 game season and catches 60+ balls he is going to put up good fantasy numbers. The key for him and the one big area of concern I have is his ability to stay healthy, not his anticipated production.

 

[Iron_Far]

Which is the next satellite that all the FBGs are getting in on?

Some, including myself, are entered for a live draft at 8 p.m. Monday, June 26.If you need a link for the signup, I can provide it.

Just watch out if you happen to draft Kevin Jones.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting on that. Please post the link so that other FBGs can get in too.

 

[Capt Hook]

Which is the next satellite that all the FBGs are getting in on?

Some, including myself, are entered for a live draft at 8 p.m. Monday, June 26.If you need a link for the signup, I can provide it.

Just watch out if you happen to draft Kevin Jones.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting on that. Please post the link so that other FBGs can get in too.

www.xpertsports.comGO to Leagues

Then WCOFF Satellite Leagues

 

[purestrength]

Which is the next satellite that all the FBGs are getting in on?

Some, including myself, are entered for a live draft at 8 p.m. Monday, June 26.If you need a link for the signup, I can provide it.

Just watch out if you happen to draft Kevin Jones.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting on that. Please post the link so that other FBGs can get in too.

Here's a link:http://www.xpertsports.com/wcoff.php

If you scroll down a bit on the list, League 18 is a live draft that is closest to filling up.

 

[Joe T]

If you scroll down a bit on the list, League 18 is a live draft that is closest to filling up.

Team Cloud of Feces II is in this.Just joined.

GLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

[John Mamula]

MAKE YOUR TIME

 

[DonnyT33]

Donny, if you find out how to view the draft, that's fine. But please don't post a link. Those of us participating probably wouldn't want that.

Someone will post the results when the draft is complete, which is fine with me.

I was never going to..and I knew it could not be done. But someone said I was wrong. There is no way to view a WCOFF league at xperts.

 

[DonnyT33]

five spots left in #23 and a few of us are in it already.