Week 1 Waivers (1 Viewer)

[SameSongNDance]

Regarding Allen, what is all this talk about the "Ravens passing down role"? That's not really been a thing. At least not a fantasy relevant thing. Woodhead is a unique player that was getting the ball because he is a good player. It's not like it's been a position of value over the years and Woodhead just happened to be the guy filling it this year. Without Woodhead, that role doesn't really exist, at least not to the point where it has fantasy value.

In eight of John Harbaugh's nine seasons, Baltimore has finished top-10 in running back target rate, with an average ranking of 5.6 (of 32). I know Mornhinweg is calling the plays, but it's something to keep in mind. Mornhinweg wants to run more regardless, so it seems like a win/win scenario.

I recorded all of Allen's touches from last week if anyone is interested. He looks the same as he did to me earlier in his career, well-rounded but not spectacular. He really isn't a great runner but he is a plus pass catcher. He was a PPR monster towards the tail end of 2015. I know he fell out of favor but opportunity is knocking once again. I'm expecting him to be utilized 12-15 times a game and will probably make for a decent flex when you can predict negative game script for BAL.

I actually own him in a couple of deep leagues but will be targeting him over Cohen where I don't, primarily because he's going to be much cheaper. I don't realistically expect to grab Cohen with what I'm willing to bid. 

 

[CHEF]

Lost Robinson.  I can pickup:

1. Agholor

2. Golladay

3. Kupp

1/2 point PPR -  How do you rank them?

In PPR - Kupp, Agholor, Golladay

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I don't get being down on Julius Thomas based on his preseason performance. He is a veteran in which Gase knows very well. Thomas has nothing to prove in the preseason except for the 3rd game in which he scored a short TD. One and done no further need to keep him in the game. So, I call BS. Granted I am a Phins fan. So, take it with a grain of salt. But, I would at least wait and see how he plays against LAC.

I agree....MIA sure as hell didnt bring him in for his blocking....

 

[modogg]

Put in my claims for tomorrow. Sixteen-team league, standard scoring, start 2 RBs/3 WRs.

1. Cohen
   
2. Allen
   
3. Williams
   

Went back and forth on Cohen vs. Allen. My concern for Cohen is that he's getting overhyped due to a great game, but his ceiling is ultimately just Darren Sproles (which is not nothing, but it's not like he's going to replace Howard as the lead back). OTOH, I figured when in doubt, bet on talent, and Cohen clearly has more of it than Allen. As for Williams, I'm really not sure how that situation will play out.

Other big decision was who to drop. Considered Burkhead and Wright, but ultimately decided to drop Woodhead. I may come to regret it, but I just think it's going to be longer than the 4-6 weeks they're currently projecting before he's fantasy relevant again. Soft-tissue reinjury means they're going to be very careful bringing him back and will probably ease him in, plus even when he comes back there's no guarantee he stays healthy.

i dropped Burkhead. Absolutely love the guy on that team, but really not sure how i can ever trust a NE RB with 4 of them there, and without an injury or a trade i don't know how i could ever start him. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Lost Robinson.  I can pickup:

1. Agholor

2. Golladay

3. Kupp

1/2 point PPR -  How do you rank them?

2.....................3.............................................................1

 

[KingPrawn]

What if you threw in Amendola in the mix? How would you rank

Amendola

Kupp

Golladay

Agholor

Any worth dropping Snead for in PPR? IMO Amendola is the top add bu the big question mark is his health.

 

[CHEF]

What if you threw in Amendola in the mix? How would you rank

Amendola

Kupp

Golladay

Agholor

Any worth dropping Snead for in PPR? IMO Amendola is the top add bu the big question mark is his health.

If Amendola is healthy and playing he is #1 out of the 4.

 

[The Frankman]

Again, the name of the game is opportunity. The reason Cohen is #1 is not only does Cohen have the passing role locked down... He's very talented.

Allen doesn't have anywhere near his talent, but anyone who knows the Ravens knows they scheme alot of their short game to TEs, FB (Kyle Juczyk) and RBs in past years. Their TEs are lacking this year (old Ben Watson and Maxx Williams) and Juczyk is gone. Woodhead was the guy who was going to replace alot of that production. With him gone, there is a vacuum of short game targets to be addressed. And no real RB (important) competition to threaten him.

 

[SoBeDad]

I don't get being down on Julius Thomas based on his preseason performance. He is a veteran in which Gase knows very well. Thomas has nothing to prove in the preseason except for the 3rd game in which he scored a short TD. One and done no further need to keep him in the game. So, I call BS. Granted I am a Phins fan. So, take it with a grain of salt. But, I would at least wait and see how he plays against LAC.

I'm a Miami fan too, but Cutler is not Manning so I would temper expectations about Thomas, who has missed 2 or more games every year. I'm just reporting what Channing Crowder said who attends many practices - that he was not impressed thus far.

 

[Interseptopus]

People know Cohen plays for the Bears right...?...thats one step above the Jets....how many TD's is that team going to score overall....they have pretty much zero options outside of Howard and Cohen which can in some ways seem attractive ....but just have a feeling defenses will plan to stop them....can this offense support two starting fantasy type RB's each week....he's not taking over as the starting RB..... bye week flex appeal shot in the dark unless you are super desperate....how much is that worth....just IMO

7 catches for 55 yards is 12.5 points in my league... good enough for flex imo. plus he gets return yards. if people are scoring on the bears like crazy he'll get a lot of 20 yard returns (1 point each for me)

 

[Stinkin Ref]

7 catches for 55 yards is 12.5 points in my league... good enough for flex imo. plus he gets return yards

One game....and return yard leagues is a different convo

 

[Interseptopus]

One game....and return yard leagues is a different convo

one game where they made every effort to get him the ball. one game where he proved to be the receiving back on a team that is likely to throw the ball a lot as they are down. one game where they ended up down to only 3 Wrs and the best catcher on the team is a RB.

either you're all in on this guy or you're not... I've bid a ton on guys in the past and failed, and I'm ok if that happens here, but I kicked myself last year when I said "it's one game... on the bears, and they have Langford" last season with Howard

 

[CHEF]

I'm a Miami fan too, but Cutler is not Manning so I would temper expectations about Thomas, who has missed 2 or more games every year. I'm just reporting what Channing Crowder said who attends many practices - that he was not impressed thus far.




 

Understood, I don't believe Crowder is the best person to judge. He is paid to talk, period.

Cutler doesn't need to be Manning to make Thomas a valuable TE and Gronk has missed a lot of games also and most people think he will have a good year with an aging Brady. So, again. Let's see how Thomas does this week and then we will have a better idea.

 

[SameSongNDance]

For those in deep leagues, keep an eye on Tyler Ervin (RB on HOU). He played on 63% of the snaps last week and was utilized 8 times, he rushed 3 times but I believe he was targeted 5 times out of the slot.

The team has literally no one left to throw to on offense. All three TEs are concussed and Ellington is going to miss the game Thursday.

Edit: A correction..

Nathan Jahnke‏Verified account @PFF_NateJahnke  Sep 10

Tyler Ervin had 11 snaps at RB, 8 snaps as an out wide WR, and 32 snaps as a slot receiver

 

[NREC34]

Then yes, pick up James.

Oh man I got sniped on James.  

I'm looking at Rams guys now Higbee and Everett. Any opinion on which of them is better to own?

Or should I wait on Houston TE to come back? 

OJ Howard is all I have now. 

Kittle from SF there too.

really scraping the barrel here

 

[matuski]

Miami D - plays NYJ week 3.  In my league you have to grabbing next week's defenses.

 

[Weebs210]

Oh man I got sniped on James.  

I'm looking at Rams guys now Higbee and Everett. Any opinion on which of them is better to own?

Or should I wait on Houston TE to come back? 

OJ Howard is all I have now. 

Kittle from SF there too.

really scraping the barrel here

Tough spot. Didn't Houston TE get IR? Here is a name that is off your radar that is probably not owned. ASJ guy will be the only legitimate red zone threat for the Jets when he comes back from suspension. Is Jared Cook owned?

 

[NREC34]

Tough spot. Didn't Houston TE get IR? Here is a name that is off your radar that is probably not owned. ASJ guy will be the only legitimate red zone threat for the Jets when he comes back from suspension. 

I thought it was designated to return but I'll have to check that.

Limited transactions so waiting isn't out of the question. 

 

[MattFancy]

In my one league that uses FAAB ($100) here were some prices:

Kerwynn Williams - $85

Tarik Cohen - $60

Kenny Golladay - $40

The same person got Cohen and Golladay and is now out of money

 

[JohnnyU]

I think people are also forgetting how awful that Atlanta is against receiving backs. James White destroyed them in the Super Bowl. I'll still take Cohen as the #1 waiver wire RB but temper expectations.

Cohen isn't available in any of my dynasty leagues

 

[Wrigley]

Welp, leading the league is scoring brings me Hunts backup West 

 

[james11]

How would you guys rank the following, redraft non-ppr. 

Cooper Kupp

Corey Davis

Danny Amendola

Marqise Lee

 

[Weebs210]

How would you guys rank the following, redraft non-ppr. 

Cooper Kupp

Corey Davis

Danny Amendola

Marqise Lee

Davis

Amendola

Kupp

Lee

 

[ponchsox]

In my one league that uses FAAB ($100) here were some prices:

Kerwynn Williams - $85

Tarik Cohen - $60

Kenny Golladay - $40

The same person got Cohen and Golladay and is now out of money

And this is why you draft the bell cow RB and load up at the position.

 

[BobbyLayne]

How would you guys rank the following, redraft non-ppr. 

Cooper Kupp

Corey Davis

Danny Amendola

Marqise Lee

in non-PPR

Davis

Kupp

Amedola

Lee

BTW, I love Kupp's season ending and playoff schedule (Weeks 12-16.) Never too early to start planning for 14-16.

 

[Weebs210]

And this is why you draft the bell cow RB and load up at the position.

While I agree sometimes you don't have the choice or you know David Johnson.

 

[BobbyLayne]

In my one league that uses FAAB ($100) here were some prices:

Kerwynn Williams - $85

Tarik Cohen - $60

Kenny Golladay - $40

The same person got Cohen and Golladay and is now out of money

Similar in mine (and frankly I'm a little shocked - it's a $25 year league & most are usually really conservative with their budgets.)

• Williams $60
  
• Cohen $50
  
• Golladay $30
  

5 losing bids for each player.

 

[NREC34]

Welp, leading the league is scoring brings me Hunts backup West 

The main guy I targeted even at the expense of getting a TE. 

Got the KC running game locked up unless there are 2 injuries in which case it will probably suck anyway. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If I am blowing 50% or more of my money for a guy that went undrafted in my league and only after one week, I better be sold that he is an impact difference maker for me the rest of the way.  And that there may not be somebody else later on that I might want to get. I realize sometimes you have to jump (think Tyrell Williams last year) but that was because Allen went down in week one.  But with Aghlor, while he may have had a nice game (especially cause of a busted play) he still has some guys in front of him and a strong TE that will get targets.  This ONE week I don't think all of a sudden makes him this years Williams.  Spending that much week one handicaps you down the road if something else happens.  Obviously roster size has a ton to do with this.  My guess is that Aghlor doesn't come any where close to giving you the ROI you think you are going to get. 

Also dynasty and redraft are totally different so sometimes tough to have these discussions "in general". 

I wouldn't stand up on the table for Agholor but portraying this as "ONE week" out of the blue is ignoring a lot of the information that may make him this year's Tyrell Williams. Agholor was a first round pick, entering his third year (not every WR hits the floor running) - there was buzz all offseason about how great he looked in OTAs and training camp - Wentz' favorite targets last season were Jordan Matthews and Zach Ertz which shows his propensity for throwing down the middle of the field which is where Agholor lines up - the Eagles shipped Matthews away in part because they liked what Agholor showed and wanted to give him the chance.

Honestly, I see a very productive season ahead - so what's that worth? What WR will emerge with a better chance? 

 

[Chaka]

For those in deep leagues, keep an eye on Tyler Ervin (RB on HOU). He played on 63% of the snaps last week and was utilized 8 times, he rushed 3 times but I believe he was targeted 5 times out of the slot.

The team has literally no one left to throw to on offense. All three TEs are concussed and Ellington is going to miss the game Thursday.

Edit: A correction..

I noted this on your utilization spreadsheet. 

He was one of the flavors of the month last preseason.

Although I think the negative games script increased Ervin's overall utilization this Sunday, it seems reasonable to project that what we saw on Sunday is how the Texans want to deploy him this season. And that if anything happened to Lamar Miller D'Onta Foreman (Alfred Blue?) would be the guy to step up in that role and Ervin's role would only change slightly.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I am bidding all $100 on Cohen in my league.  Loaded at every other position with a gaping hole at RB2 after losing Woodhead.  I have WRs and TEs in spades so why not.

On FBGs he is at RB27 on the Top 200 Fwd.

 

[shadyridr]

I have to say this is the first time I can remember when so many useful players are available in my one 12 team league with 17 man rosters. The following (I consider) useful players are all available... Williams, Cohen, Allen, Agholor, Clay, Bradford, BAL D/ST

 

[Insein]

Anything to see with Agholor?  I just lost ARob and need a WR desperately.  Was week 1 for Agholor a mirage?  

I picked him up after waivers ran. He caught everything that was catchable on Sunday. The way they used him and the local talk seems to point towards the coaches liking him. They kept him around when he had 2 awful years.  IDK if he's going to be a #1 or any kind of stud but could be a solid WR3 going forward.

 

[skol asylum]

Lost David Johnson. Picked up Cohen, Carson, and Buck to go along with West and Ingram that were already on my roster. Kerwynn and Kamara still sit there. Wondering if I should shift any of this mess around to pick up either/both of those two instead. Sucks losing the #1 pick.

 

[Interseptopus]

Lost David Johnson. Picked up Cohen, Carson, and Buck to go along with West and Ingram that were already on my roster. Kerwynn and Kamara still sit there. Wondering if I should shift any of this mess around to pick up either/both of those two instead. Sucks losing the #1 pick.

Kamara should be rostered IMO, but it's a headache with Payton calling the shots TBH... but if you had a deep enough bench I'd consider grabbing him. Kerwynn is in an even bigger dumpster fire. 

 

[skol asylum]

Kamara should be rostered IMO, but it's a headache with Payton calling the shots TBH... but if you had a deep enough bench I'd consider grabbing him. Kerwynn is in an even bigger dumpster fire. 

Shallow 15 player Yahoo roster. I hate shallow leagues because I love to stash everyone I can. Cut some WR depth to grab the extra RBs.

 

[Interseptopus]

Shallow 15 player Yahoo roster. I hate shallow leagues because I love to stash everyone I can. Cut some WR depth to grab the extra RBs.

Yes, my frustrations as well (14 player). In that case I wouldn't go for it. FWIW the Kamara owner in my league has him in/out as a flex option. Has CJ, Perkins, TWest, White, Kamara. benched this week in favor of Thielen, started Kamara at flex last week. 

5 RBs is a lot to have with a short bench league. I think you can find 2 startables from your list. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

In eight of John Harbaugh's nine seasons, Baltimore has finished top-10 in running back target rate, with an average ranking of 5.6 (of 32). I know Mornhinweg is calling the plays, but it's something to keep in mind. Mornhinweg wants to run more regardless, so it seems like a win/win scenario.

I recorded all of Allen's touches from last week if anyone is interested. He looks the same as he did to me earlier in his career, well-rounded but not spectacular. He really isn't a great runner but he is a plus pass catcher. He was a PPR monster towards the tail end of 2015. I know he fell out of favor but opportunity is knocking once again. I'm expecting him to be utilized 12-15 times a game and will probably make for a decent flex when you can predict negative game script for BAL.

I actually own him in a couple of deep leagues but will be targeting him over Cohen where I don't, primarily because he's going to be much cheaper. I don't realistically expect to grab Cohen with what I'm willing to bid. 

Exactly what I did in one of my Leagues. Got Allen for %8 ...Cohen went for %64

 

[Stealthycat]

WR Tanner Gentry

Had a great camp, put to practice squad ... elevated when White went down.

Big WR and CHI needs one, had a great college career, CHI is known to elevate rookies like Meredith last year. Trubisky might be throwing to him a lot in practice, so when the rookie QB takes over, he might target Gentry more

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I wouldn't stand up on the table for Agholor but portraying this as "ONE week" out of the blue is ignoring a lot of the information that may make his this year's Tyrell Williams. Agholor was a first round pick, entering his third year (not every WR hits the floor running) - there was buzz all offseason about how great he looked in OTAs and - Wentz' favorite targets last season were Jordan Matthews and Zach Ertz which shows his propensity for throwing down the middle of the field which is where Agholor lines up - the Eagles shipped Matthews away in part because they liked what Agholor showed and wanted to give him the chance.

Honestly, I see a very productive season ahead - so what's that worth? What WR will emerge with a better chance? 

not to get sideways....but I have seen this posted a couple times and unless you have a link quoting the coaching staff or front office indicating this....it is pure speculation....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I have to say this is the first time I can remember when so many useful players are available in my one 12 team league with 17 man rosters. The following (I consider) useful players are all available... Williams, Cohen, Allen, Agholor, Clay, Bradford, BAL D/ST

in a 17 man league.....it doesn't surprise me at all that none of those guys were drafted

 

[shadyridr]

in a 17 man league.....it doesn't surprise me at all that none of those guys were drafted

me neither but that wasn't my point

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Lost David Johnson. Picked up Cohen, Carson, and Buck to go along with West and Ingram that were already on my roster. Kerwynn and Kamara still sit there. Wondering if I should shift any of this mess around to pick up either/both of those two instead. Sucks losing the #1 pick.

I'd be all over Kamara

 

[Stinkin Ref]

me neither but that wasn't my point

please share then cause I am missing your point.....

 

[shadyridr]

please share then cause I am missing your point.....

I have to say this is the first time I can remember when so many useful players are available in my one 12 team league

 

[Dr. Octopus]

not to get sideways....but I have seen this posted a couple times and unless you have a link quoting the coaching staff or front office indicating this....it is pure speculation....

It's called gathering information and making an inference - but I guess you could call it speculation also. I'm not sure why the GM would come out and say that directly (can you tell me why he would need to?) but I'm sure if you were really interested you could find all the quotes talking Agholor up all offseason.

But even if you really want to throw logic away and say trading Matthews away had absolutely nothing to do with the team having confidence in Agholor, the bottom line is that Matthews WAS traded away opening up snaps and targets for Agholor. This is a pass heavy offense so that's a plus.

And aren't we all speculating about everything in this thread? At least some of us are using all the facts instead of just throwing out talking points.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I have to say this is the first time I can remember when so many useful players are available in my one 12 team league

sorry I didn't realize you were just giving us an update on your league.....

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

sorry I didn't realize you were just giving us an update on your league.....

Calm down.  Don't be a d.

 

[Interseptopus]

Exactly what I did in one of my Leagues. Got Allen for %8 ...Cohen went for %64

This is likely the smart move and the one I would have done in my past. It's a conservative play, but also a smart play. You get a predictable usage (presumably) from Allen, whereas Cohen is very expensive and higher risk (also higher reward IMO). I decided to go agianst the grain and try something crazy. In the past I would have tried for Allen instead. Allen did carry me pretty good in 2015. 

It's called gathering information and making an inference - but I guess you could call it speculation also. I'm not sure why the GM would come out and say that directly (can you tell me why he would need to?) but I'm sure if you were really interested you could find all the quotes talking Agholor up all offseason.

But even if you really want to throw logic away and say trading Matthews away had absolutely nothing to do with the team having confidence in Agholor, the bottom line is that Matthews WAS traded away opening up snaps and targets for Agholor. This is a pass heavy offense so that's a plus.

And aren't we all speculating about everything in this thread? At least some of us are using all the facts instead of just throwing out talking points.

 
I can't imagine the GM/coach would ship out their top WR from a year ago unless 1. They didn't want to win or 2. They have large confidence in the guy taking his place. Which is more likely? 

95% of these forums is speculation... 
FBG subscription information (rankings, projections, etc) is 100% speculation. They make a living off of it. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

It's called gathering information and making an inference - but I guess you could call it speculation also. I'm not sure why the GM would come out and say that directly (can you tell me why he would need to?) but I'm sure if you were really interested you could find all the quotes talking Agholor up all offseason.

But even if you really want to throw logic away and say trading Matthews away had absolutely nothing to do with the team having confidence in Agholor, the bottom line is that Matthews WAS traded away opening up snaps and targets for Agholor. This is a pass heavy offense so that's a plus.

And aren't we all speculating about everything in this thread? At least some of us are using all the facts instead of just throwing out talking points.

sorry I was just pointing out that comments like this:

"the Eagles shipped Matthews away in part because they liked what Agholor showed and wanted to give him the chance."

seem to indicate that the writer somehow got confirmation of this somewhere from the team.......when it actuality it is just fantasy owners inferring/speculating and trying to put a spin on something to convince themselves of something....it may very well have been part of the reason, but we really don't know it to be true.....