MattFancy
Footballguy
I think DeSean Jackson gets more involved in the offense. He has been missing the last few weeks.
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Week 10 - Buy Low/ Sell High (1 Viewer)
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
He's seemed to do just fine in every game that Jackson played in. I don't see any reason why Jackson would affect Crowder.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I think it would just be less targets for Crowder and more for Jackson. Could be totally off, but I know the beat guys have been suggesting Jackson should be getting more looks in the passing game. And I like Crowder, don't get me wrong. I just wouldn't be surprised if his numbers went down over the 2nd half.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Looking at their season's side by side I don't see any reason to believe it's going to change. I haven't been watching the team though, just going by the stats.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Remember their line got banged up and their schedule going forward is significantly harder. I like Crowder but not as a #2.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Never considered that. It has been a productive receiving team though. Much better and consistent than the Jag's.
The trade hasn't happened yet. I also sent an offer of ARob and Yeldon for Jeffery. I don't think he's going to accept it though.
Chaka
Footballguy
Robinson has disappointed to a large extent but he is still very talented and is one of the very few WRs who consistently gets double digit targets.
I like Reed a lot maybe enough to do that deal, in a vacuum, but having Crowder as well would make me hesitant to do that deal.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Leveon for Derrick Henry, a 1st (top 4 2017) 2nd (5-12) and 3rd (13-17)
Would you do it? is it even close?
Would you do it? is it even close?
I'm holding. There is a fine line between selling high and keeping studs, and, imho, Howard is the latter, with a fairly juicy schedule ROS. Langford and Carey do not concern me.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
There is a chance. I'm likely to be the 2nd or 3rd worst team.
Last year the 4th worst team Drafted Zeke #1. We have a draft lottery with ping pong balls. Worst team gets 15 (ping pong balls), 2nd worst gets 12, 3rd 9 etc.
Bottom 4 teams' 1st rounders are in the #1-4 lottery.
Bottom 8 get #5-12
Bottom 4 get #13-16 in order
Then the other 12 teams start from there.
That might do it for me, then. You have a chance at Fournette, who could reasonably replace Bell and make getting Henry and the other two picks a coup. Getting "stuck" with a Cook or Mike Williams or McCaffrey plus those other pieces still looks reasonable to me.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Is Allen Robinson a buy low or was last year a fluke?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
He's dropped more than "some" Bortles was clearly overrated but Robinson is doing him no favors.
From watching Jags games I see Robinson as being disinterested. He just seems to lack the consistent focus that the great ones have. Fortunately that is something one can learn.
need2know
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I haven't been able to make up my mind yet. He changed the trade a little to my ARob and Bibbs for his Reed and Perkins. I think it's a good deal but it does make me pretty thin at WR.
MattFancy
Footballguy
In a vacuum, I like the deal. But when you apply it to your team, it's becomes a bit tougher to like. I know it's tempting to move on from Robinson, but you don't want to set up a weakness on your team as well.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I rejected the trade. I just didn't like how my WRs looked after the trade. I just dropped Fleener and picked up Fiedorowicz. I am still trying to trade ARob but for a better WR. Trying to see if I can package him and a RB for a good WR.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Someone who trusts the trade evaluation feature on Yahoo. I don't trust it but some use it and it shows that he would come out on top of that trade.
JWebs85
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
You think that's bad? In another league I just got offered Jordan Howard and Jimmy Graham for Mike Evans.
Skoo
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
If I was a Julio owner and the other person was giving me ARob in a trade, the other piece I would want back would like a Freeman or Lamar Miller.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I get that but I was just trying something out. The guy is just outside of making the playoffs and needs to win now. He only has three RBs and one is on bye, Ingram, McKinnon and Richard. ARob still has the big name and Duke is better than McKinnon and Richard. He has Julio on bye next week. If he is trying to find a way to win right now he may actually consider the trade. If he's just looking at how good my guys are compared to Julio then he'll reject it.
There is more that goes into a trade than just looking at the players themselves. Sometimes you have to look at the scenario the team is in. He's projected to lose this week and next week. If that happens then he will miss the playoffs.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
So what he does then is put a league wide email out saying Julio is available and then receives probably 5 solid offers.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
True but not everyone thinks that way. Not every league is full of highly competitive and aggressive owners. Sometimes you have to try and make things happen. I think there was only one trade this season so far in this league.
Skoo
Footballguy
ARob is currently WR #31 in PPR
Duke is RB #25 in PPR
Julio is WR #2 in PPR.
Not trying to give you a hard time but a lot of people offer me trades like this as well. Julio is elite. I don't care about byes, matchups, etc when it comes to someone like Julio, I'm gonna want an elite player in return or at the very least 2 guys that are Top 15ish at their positions.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
So you'd rather keep your player and miss the playoffs? I get taking the risk by rolling with the same roster and hoping you make the playoffs but it I think it's at least considering. I know my odds of getting trade done are slim but I think it's a legit trade offer.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I'd rather start Julio 3 times in weeks 10, 12 and 13 (assuming your playoffs start week 14) and someone else for week 11 than start AR and Duke for those 4 weeks. I don't think those two guys get that owner into the playoffs, so yeah, I'd rather keep my player.
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Skoo
Footballguy
Projections mean next to nothing.
If he doesn't make the trade that doesn't mean he won't make the playoffs, and making the trade certainly is no guarantee of making the playoffs.
Plus if you make the playoffs you're probably gonna want Julio along for the ride...
In a 2-for-1 deal, if you're giving the two players they both have to be every week starts that improve their starting roster. So in this case, he's taking a big hit at WR going from Julio to ARob, and his RBs would have to be pretty horrendous for Duke to be any kind of significant upgrade.
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I would too but I at least want to make the other guy consider it. Hopefully he sends me a counter offer.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
He has Ingram, McKinnon and Richard for his RBs, so yeah, they're bad. Duke would be a starter for him.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
I tried to trade Julio two weeks ago (completely decimated by injury elsewhere) and received the following offers-
Crowell, Wallace and Diggs. I countered with Cobb and Miller- declined.
Ajayi and Travis Benjamin. I countered with Cooper and Gurley- declined (this was before Ajayi's second 200 yard game)
This might just be a rant, but your trade is like the offers I received, which angered me. Giving me one pretty good player and garbage extras, it isn't going to move the needle, and frankly pisses me off.
In your scenario, is Duke Johnson (the Browns also have a bye) better than what the guy has on his roster? Probably. BUT is he THAT much better than a scrap he can find from the waiver wire? Probably not. If you are going to ask for maybe the best player in the league, the drop off to a even a high end No. 2 receiver is going to be massive, let alone someone who hasn't even performed at starter level yet, two no-brainer starters would be required.
Sorry to pick on you, but I hate offers that don't even take into account what it is the other side needs when an offer is made.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
Even if Duke was a starter to him, the difference between Duke and best player on the waiver wire in my league, for example, is Asiata (about 2 points a game).
By comparison Julio v. A. Cooper is a 4 point a game difference. Merely getting another "starter" does not make up for the massive gap in production between Julio and a high-end no. 1 receiver.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I'm not arguing that it's a great trade offer but I still think it's worth throwing at him. The only other RBs I have that are better than Johnson are Bernard and Elliott. I'm not trading Elliott.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
To give you an idea of Robinson's value. I just completed a trade giving Robinson and getting Russell Wilson (his 2nd QB) and Baltimore defense.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
I guess its a person preference. When someone makes me a stupid offer that nobody in their right mind would accept, it angers me and makes me less likely to want to deal with them.
Whatever floats your boat though...
skinsrule05
Footballguy
The problem with the trade is it looks like you are unwilling to give up anything to get a top 3 WR. I have Julio and the offer you gave wouldn't even open up the discussions.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
ARob was my highest drafted WR but not my best performing but he carries some value due to his history. Bernard is my second best RB and Johnson is my third best so I don't have a lot to offer when it comes to RBs.
Would you be more inclined to take Crowder instead of ARob? Probably not even though Crowder has outscored him. I suppose I could offer Cooks and one of my RBs which would should make it more appealing.
Hopefully he responds to the trade. Some get pissed when receiving a trade they don't like, I get pissed when I don't get a response from a trade. If you don't like it then say you don't. If it's a player that you will not trade no matter what then say something. If you don't respond then I'm going to get sending offers. I never understood why some people just let offers expire and don't even reject them. There has to be a little communication.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
It just feels like someone is trying to rip me off when they give a low ball offer like that. Last week I had a guy offer me Ertz for my McCoy. I don't feel there is any communication needed. We are way apart in perception of value.
As far as your question, if I am giving up Julio I am expecting either an elite player back or two top tier guys. Arob could be part of that because there is potential he could become elite. I don't think Crowder has that potential. You would have to pair Arob with Bernard for me to think about it.
