Week 11 Calculated Power Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Berger]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

 

[Berger]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

Its obvious you are only looking at records, and are only going to talk about the most recent game played. The Lions STILL beat some pretty good teams this year (bears, buccaneers, bears, broncos) while four of the Giants wins include jets, falcons, 49ers, dolphins.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

Its obvious you are only looking at records, and are only going to talk about the most recent game played. The Lions STILL beat some pretty good teams this year (bears, buccaneers, bears, broncos) while four of the Giants wins include jets, falcons, 49ers, dolphins.

Its bad enough that you have the Bears in the top half of the league, but to top it off by calling them a good team, and then repeating it?Don't quit your day job.

 

[Berger]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

Its obvious you are only looking at records, and are only going to talk about the most recent game played. The Lions STILL beat some pretty good teams this year (bears, buccaneers, bears, broncos) while four of the Giants wins include jets, falcons, 49ers, dolphins.

Its bad enough that you have the Bears in the top half of the league, but to top it off by calling them a good team, and then repeating it?Don't quit your day job.

Feel free to tell me which teams deserve to be above the Bears and why. And I repeated it because the Lions beat them twice.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

Its obvious you are only looking at records, and are only going to talk about the most recent game played. The Lions STILL beat some pretty good teams this year (bears, buccaneers, bears, broncos) while four of the Giants wins include jets, falcons, 49ers, dolphins.

Its bad enough that you have the Bears in the top half of the league, but to top it off by calling them a good team, and then repeating it?Don't quit your day job.

Feel free to tell me which teams deserve to be above the Bears and why. And I repeated it because the Lions beat them twice.

No doubt in my mind these teams are betterRedskins - Common opponets

Throttled Detroit, Chicago lost to them twice

Hung with Dallas @ Dallas, Dallas blew out the Bears in Chicago

Split with Eagles

Hung with GB @ GB

Texans - Healthy again with AJ and Schaub playing.

Browns - Scores too many points for the Bears to hang with them

Vikings - Already beat them and at home

 

[Berger]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

Its obvious you are only looking at records, and are only going to talk about the most recent game played. The Lions STILL beat some pretty good teams this year (bears, buccaneers, bears, broncos) while four of the Giants wins include jets, falcons, 49ers, dolphins.

Its bad enough that you have the Bears in the top half of the league, but to top it off by calling them a good team, and then repeating it?Don't quit your day job.

Feel free to tell me which teams deserve to be above the Bears and why. And I repeated it because the Lions beat them twice.

No doubt in my mind these teams are better

Redskins

Texans

Browns

Vikings

And this is your reasoning?

 

[SSOG]

I said this week 10 and now it's even more obvious: Why are the Lions rated higher than the Giants? When you see something like that, to me it makes the entire list invalid.Edit to add: The Browns at 17 is a joke too!

Holy sensationalism, Batman! If I say that the five hottest women on the planet are Jessica Alba, Jessica Biel, Scarlet Johannson, Angelina Joli, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, does the presence of Clinton on the list completely invalidate this list, too? Just because Clinton made the top 5, would that mean the rest of the top 5 was automatically incorrect? Or is it possible that, despite the presence of one outlier result, the remaining ladies are still megababes?One bad result never invalidates an entire list all on its own, as much as poor analysis and reactionary thinking might want you to believe otherwise. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, here.

 

[Limp Ditka]

And this is your reasoning?

I added it

 

[Berger]

No doubt in my mind these teams are better

Redskins - Common opponets

Throttled Detroit, Chicago lost to them twice

Hung with Dallas @ Dallas, Dallas blew out the Bears in Chicago

Split with Eagles

Hung with GB @ GB

Texans - Healthy again with AJ and Schaub playing.

Browns - Scores too many points for the Bears to hang with them

Vikings - Already beat them and at home

BearsChiefs

Packers

Eagles

Raiders

Redskins

Dolphins

Eagles

Lions

Cardinals

Jets

Taking out common wins and the teams everyone is beating.

So you think wins over the Lions and Cardinals is better than wins over the Chiefs and Packers?

How bout you rank (based on whatever you want) the above mentioned teams.

Texans - ok, maybe. I dont rank on what might happen. And I'm not going to argue it either. Time will tell.

Browns - I'll let you tell me who they've put up all these points against. And tell me how good those teams are.

Vikings - Again, I look at more than one game when ranking teams. Are the Jets better than the Steelers?

 

[Ned]

 

[Limp Ditka]

No doubt in my mind these teams are better

Redskins - Common opponets

Throttled Detroit, Chicago lost to them twice

Hung with Dallas @ Dallas, Dallas blew out the Bears in Chicago

Split with Eagles

Hung with GB @ GB

Texans - Healthy again with AJ and Schaub playing.

Browns - Scores too many points for the Bears to hang with them

Vikings - Already beat them and at home

Lionsraiders

vikings

bears

buccaneers

bears

broncos

Redskins

dolphins

eagles

lions

cardinals

jets

So you think wins over the Dolphins, Eagles, Lions, Cardinals, and Jets is better than wins over the Raiders, Vikings, Bears, Buccs, Bears, and Broncos.

How bout you rank (based on whatever you want) the above mentioned teams.

Texans - ok, maybe. I dont rank on what might happen. And I'm not going to argue it either. Time will tell.

Browns - I'll let you tell me who they've put up all these points against. And tell me how good those teams are.

Vikings - Again, I look at more than one game when ranking teams. Are the Jets better than the Steelers?

How did this turn into a debate between the Lions and the Redskins?Texans -They lost their starting QB for a couple of weeks and lost their stud receiver for 7 weeks and are still 5-5 being an AFC team.

Browns - Who they scored their points on?!?! Are you kidding me? 27 on Baltimore, 33 on Seattle, 28 on Pittsburgh, 33 on Baltimore

Vikings - Same record, almost identical teams faced and beat them head to head.

 

[dickey moe]

Geez, tough crowd in here.

 

[Berger]

How did this turn into a debate between the Lions and the Redskins?

Texans -They lost their starting QB for a couple of weeks and lost their stud receiver for 7 weeks and are still 5-5 being an AFC team.

Browns - Who they scored their points on?!?! Are you kidding me? 27 on Baltimore, 33 on Seattle, 28 on Pittsburgh, 33 on Baltimore

Vikings - Same record, almost identical teams faced and beat them head to head.

Corrected the teams.Texans - Seriously, I'm not going to debate what might or might not happen.

Browns -

wins over

bengals

ravens

dolphins

rams

seahawks

ravens

seriously, this isn't last year, where this might be impressive. These teams are a combined 19-41. A mediorce team should beat these teams. The only reason they are middle of the road is the Seattle win.

Vikings - Are you forgetting the Bears beat the Packers? Who did the Vikes beat that compares to that?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Texans - Seriously, I'm not going to debate what might or might not happen.

Then why are you doing this? Seriously?

Browns - seriously, this isn't last year, where this might be impressive. These teams are a combined 19-41. A mediorce team should beat these teams. The only reason they are middle of the road is the Seattle win.

They beat who they beat and have a record that's 2 games better than the Bears after 10 weeks. I doubt the Bears would put up the same record against the same schedule. Of course, you're not going to debate what might or might not happen so why bother, right?



Vikings - Are you forgetting the Bears beat the Packers? Who did the Vikes beat that compares to that?

Fine the Bears beat the Packers, but that game is the exception for the 2007 season, not the norm. The Bears won the turnover battle in the game +4. The game was basically gift wrapped for them. Any idea what the Bears are in the other 9 games? They are -11. Teams in the top half of the NFL are not -11 over a 9 game stretch. To defend your ranking of the Bears on that one game just shows how truly flawed this whole thing is.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Browns -

wins over

bengals

ravens

dolphins

rams

seahawks

ravens

seriously, this isn't last year, where this might be impressive. These teams are a combined 19-41. A mediorce team should beat these teams. The only reason they are middle of the road is the Seattle win.

Given this reasoning, if you had done this in 1972, that undefeated Dolphins team would be middle of the pack in your ranking, since they had a weak schedule. I agree with some of your assessments, but it seems like you give more credit to a team losing to a good team than a team beating a bad team. A win is still a win, ya know.

 

[Berger]

Texans - Seriously, I'm not going to debate what might or might not happen.

Then why are you doing this? Seriously?

Browns - seriously, this isn't last year, where this might be impressive. These teams are a combined 19-41. A mediorce team should beat these teams. The only reason they are middle of the road is the Seattle win.

They beat who they beat and have a record that's 2 games better than the Bears after 10 weeks. I doubt the Bears would put up the same record against the same schedule. Of course, you're not going to debate what might or might not happen so why bother, right?



Vikings - Are you forgetting the Bears beat the Packers? Who did the Vikes beat that compares to that?

Fine the Bears beat the Packers, but that game is the exception for the 2007 season, not the norm. The Bears won the turnover battle in the game +4. The game was basically gift wrapped for them. Any idea what the Bears are in the other 9 games? They are -11. Teams in the top half of the NFL are not -11 over a 9 game stretch. To defend your ranking of the Bears on that one game just shows how truly flawed this whole thing is.

I'll debate what has happened all day long with you, but until I get a crystal ball, I'm not going to bump a team based on what they should do from here forward. Get it?So lets see, you want to throw out games where a team lost but should have won and say the Texans got their receiver back so they should tear up the league. Sounds solid to me

 

[Berger]

Browns -

wins over

bengals

ravens

dolphins

rams

seahawks

ravens

seriously, this isn't last year, where this might be impressive. These teams are a combined 19-41. A mediorce team should beat these teams. The only reason they are middle of the road is the Seattle win.

Given this reasoning, if you had done this in 1972, that undefeated Dolphins team would be middle of the pack in your ranking, since they had a weak schedule. I agree with some of your assessments, but it seems like you give more credit to a team losing to a good team than a team beating a bad team. A win is still a win, ya know.

Absolutely not. All wins get credit. And all teams get the same credit for beating the same team (ie: everyone that has beaten the Jets get the same credit, but that credit is much less than beating the Packers).

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

This is strictly and simply formulaic, so I don't know why people get cranky about it week after week. Such a simple system doesn't provide very revealing data, but no less than some dude ranking teams on ESPN. I can certainly understand why a win over GB inflates the Bears' rank.

 

[Berger]

This is strictly and simply formulaic, so I don't know why people get cranky about it week after week. Such a simple system doesn't provide very revealing data, but no less than some dude ranking teams on ESPN. I can certainly understand why a win over GB inflates the Bears' rank.

Very well put, thank you.

 

[1stN10]

The number 2 spot should be shared by the Cowboys and the Packers

 

[Berger]

The number 2 spot should be shared by the Cowboys and the Packers

What fun would that be?

 

[moleculo]

Link to week 10

1 Patriots

2 Packers

3 Cowboys

4 Colts

5 Jaguars

6 Steelers

7 Lions

8 Giants

9 Titans

10 Chargers

11 Buccaneers

12 Broncos

13 Cardinals

14 Seahawks

15 Bears

16 Eagles

17 Browns

18 Redskins

19 Saints

20 Chiefs

21 Texans

22 Vikings

23 Panthers

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Bengals

28 49ers

29 Jets

30 Rams

31 Raiders

32 Dolphins

interestingly, Denver has played 7 of the top 10 teams in their first 10 games. The remaining 6 - only the Chargers are a top 10 team, and I have my doubts about that. The remaining 6 on their schedule have a combined average ranking of about 20.

 

[David Yudkin]

Using simple points scored differential . . .

New England Patriots +254

Pittsburgh Steelers +124

Indianapolis Colts +119

Dallas Cowboys +106

Green Bay Packers +100

Seattle Seahawks +57

Tampa Bay Buccaneers +44

New York Giants +36

Jacksonville Jaguars +26

San Diego Chargers +20

Philadelphia Eagles +19

Tennessee Titans +12

Arizona Cardinals +1

Detroit Lions -1

Cleveland Browns -6

Houston Texans –10

Minnesota Vikings –15

Washington Redskins -21

Chicago Bears -33

New Orleans Saints -34

Cincinnati Bengals -40

Kansas City Chiefs -41

Oakland Raiders –43

Baltimore Ravens -43

Carolina Panthers -45

New York Jets -66

Buffalo Bills -69

Denver Broncos -71

Atlanta Falcons -71

Miami Dolphins -91

St. Louis Rams -108

San Francisco 49ers -110

 

[moleculo]

Using simple points scored differential . . .New England Patriots +254 Pittsburgh Steelers +124 Indianapolis Colts +119Dallas Cowboys +106Green Bay Packers +100Seattle Seahawks +57 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +44 New York Giants +36 Jacksonville Jaguars +26San Diego Chargers +20Philadelphia Eagles +19 Tennessee Titans +12Arizona Cardinals +1 Detroit Lions -1 Cleveland Browns -6 Houston Texans –10Minnesota Vikings –15Washington Redskins -21 Chicago Bears -33 New Orleans Saints -34 Cincinnati Bengals -40 Kansas City Chiefs -41 Oakland Raiders –43Baltimore Ravens -43 Carolina Panthers -45 New York Jets -66Buffalo Bills -69Denver Broncos -71 Atlanta Falcons -71 Miami Dolphins -91 St. Louis Rams -108 San Francisco 49ers -110

any metric to justify the Pats at #1, huh?

 

[gump]

Interesting that the Bucs win 31-7 and drop a spot.

 

[Berger]

Interesting that the Bucs win 31-7 and drop a spot.

Whats interesting is why that happened. The Giants are the team that moved up. They were very close to the Buccs before this week. They beat the Lions (7) and the Buccs beat the Falcons (26). Not so much the Buccs moved down as the Giants moving up.

 

[gump]

Interesting that the Bucs win 31-7 and drop a spot.

Whats interesting is why that happened. The Giants are the team that moved up. They were very close to the Buccs before this week. They beat the Lions (7) and the Buccs beat the Falcons (26). Not so much the Buccs moved down as the Giants moving up.

Yet it didn't affect the Lions ranking, even though they lost at home. DET must have had a nice buffer over #8.

 

[Berger]

Interesting that the Bucs win 31-7 and drop a spot.

Whats interesting is why that happened. The Giants are the team that moved up. They were very close to the Buccs before this week. They beat the Lions (7) and the Buccs beat the Falcons (26). Not so much the Buccs moved down as the Giants moving up.

Yet it didn't affect the Lions ranking, even though they lost at home. DET must have had a nice buffer over #8.

Actually last weeks #7 #8 and #9 lost, which is why they didn't move down.

 

[gump]

Interesting that the Bucs win 31-7 and drop a spot.

Whats interesting is why that happened. The Giants are the team that moved up. They were very close to the Buccs before this week. They beat the Lions (7) and the Buccs beat the Falcons (26). Not so much the Buccs moved down as the Giants moving up.

Yet it didn't affect the Lions ranking, even though they lost at home. DET must have had a nice buffer over #8.

Actually last weeks #7 #8 and #9 lost, which is why they didn't move down.

And the Bucs won 31-7 on the road in the division, and didn't jump #7, #8, or #9?I'll be interested in next week's ranking if the Bucs beat Wash...and Tenn beats Cincy and the NYG beat Minn...both ranked below Wash.

Thanks for the topic!

 

[Berger]

Interesting that the Bucs win 31-7 and drop a spot.

Whats interesting is why that happened. The Giants are the team that moved up. They were very close to the Buccs before this week. They beat the Lions (7) and the Buccs beat the Falcons (26). Not so much the Buccs moved down as the Giants moving up.

Yet it didn't affect the Lions ranking, even though they lost at home. DET must have had a nice buffer over #8.

Actually last weeks #7 #8 and #9 lost, which is why they didn't move down.

And the Bucs won 31-7 on the road in the division, and didn't jump #7, #8, or #9?I'll be interested in next week's ranking if the Bucs beat Wash...and Tenn beats Cincy and the NYG beat Minn...both ranked below Wash.

Thanks for the topic!

Guess not. Last week was only 1/10 of the season and thus 1/10 of what I use for the rankings. And they only beat the team I had ranked 25th last week. Not much impact.

 

[gump]

Guess not. Last week was only 1/10 of the season and thus 1/10 of what I use for the rankings. And they only beat the team I had ranked 25th last week. Not much impact.

I'd be interested to hear why TENN is ranked so high. Based on their Week 1 win against Jax? They haven't beaten anyone else of significance, and have lost to the Bucs.

 

[Berger]

Guess not. Last week was only 1/10 of the season and thus 1/10 of what I use for the rankings. And they only beat the team I had ranked 25th last week. Not much impact.

I'd be interested to hear why TENN is ranked so high. Based on their Week 1 win against Jax? They haven't beaten anyone else of significance, and have lost to the Bucs.

Gladly. Keep in mind they are only two spots ahead of the Buccs. And its a pretty tight two spots. So we'll compare them to each other.Tenn wins

jaguars

saints

falcons

texans

raiders

panthers

Buccs wins

saints

rams

panthers

titans

cardinals

falcons

Taking out common wins and you're left with Tenn wins from the Jags (5), Texans (21) and Raiders (31); And Buccs wins from the Titans (9), Cardinals (13) and Rams (30). So, yes, the Jags win is the difference maker. But it is close.

Here are the margins between the teams:

1 Patriots 2.40

2 Packers 2.91

3 Cowboys 0.15

4 Colts 3.87

5 Jaguars 3.06

6 Steelers 1.58

7 Lions 1.35

8 Giants 0.12

9 Titans 0.04

10 Chargers 0.38

11 Buccaneers 0.62

12 Broncos 0.81

13 Cardinals 0.62

14 Seahawks 1.13

15 Bears 0.18

16 Eagles 0.09

17 Browns 0.25

18 Redskins 0.75

19 Saints 0.86

20 Chiefs 0.05

21 Texans 0.07

22 Vikings 0.87

23 Panthers 0.77

24 Bills 0.72

25 Ravens 0.64

26 Falcons 0.81

27 Bengals 1.69

28 49ers 0.13

29 Jets 0.20

30 Rams 0.18

31 Raiders 3.90

32 Dolphins

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

Its obvious you are only looking at records, and are only going to talk about the most recent game played. The Lions STILL beat some pretty good teams this year (bears, buccaneers, bears, broncos) while four of the Giants wins include jets, falcons, 49ers, dolphins.

I never liked this sort of reasoning. What if, at some point in the season, an opponent exposed a huge flaw in the Lions that is now on film, and all future opponents that break down the film see it and exploit it? It now becomes a different Lions team. The opponents they had defeated prior to this event would exploit it as well in a future meeting and possibly win. And this sort of stuff happens a LOT. Its why I hate using strength-of-schedule for football.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

SOS might make more sense in the second half of the season, after all the teams that have unleashed new systems and new players on both sides of the ball have had a chance to "settle in" and play a variety of opponents with different styles. Usually by then a lot of the weaknesses have been found and are now beginning to be exploited. But even then the team getting exploited can counter with an adjustment of their own.