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Week 12 Deuce McAllister/Pierre Thomas Thread (1 Viewer)

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Pierre Thomas owners are :lmao: intently.

From RotoWorld:

Deuce McAllister missed Thursday's practice after having his knee drained.

McAllister has an extra day to recover for a Monday night game, but his status is very much in question. If Reggie Bush (knee) doesn't make progress, Pierre Thomas could be New Orleans' feature back against the Packers. Thomas should be owned in all leagues, as Deuce's knee issues threaten to persist.

Source: WWLTV-Louisiana

Related: Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas

 
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packersfan said:
Pierre Thomas owners are :confused: intently.From RotoWorld:Deuce McAllister missed Thursday's practice after having his knee drained.McAllister has an extra day to recover for a Monday night game, but his status is very much in question. If Reggie Bush (knee) doesn't make progress, Pierre Thomas could be New Orleans' feature back against the Packers. Thomas should be owned in all leagues, as Deuce's knee issues threaten to persist.Source: WWLTV-LouisianaRelated: Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas
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Wow. Thomas could be a great play this week with Bush and Deuce both gimpy. I didnt realize Deuce was hurt. That changes a lot. No Stecker, gimpy Deuce, and *maybe* Bush in the lineup vs a bad rush D. Thomas could be a solid RB2 start this week. Maybe over guys like Ronnie Brown, MJD, and Thomas Jones who have tough matchups.Any word on if Bush practiced today?
 
Having MJD and J. Stew, this is intriguing to me. I just picked up Thomas (surprised he was there), and may plug him. Bad part is that we may not know until Monday, so we would have to rest everyone else and Thomas could be irrelevant is Bush and Deuce both play.

 
Wow - who would be the #2 if both Bush and Deuce don't go.

Sad to say I need to know. I am absolutely relying on Bush being available this Monday night

 
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Wow - who would be the #2 if both Bush and Deuce don't go.Sad to say I need to know. I am absolutely relying on Bush being available this Monday night
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Mike Bell was just signed this week so I'd guess he'd have to be the backup.I haven't heard yet if Bush practiced today.
 
Sucks that we have to wait until monday for this one....i would love to plug Thomas in if Deuce is out. Who did they just pick up...Mike Bell?

 
The_Fonz said:
Sucks that we have to wait until monday for this one....i would love to plug Thomas in if Deuce is out. Who did they just pick up...Mike Bell?
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Pure speculation, but the fact that they picked up Mike Bell may lead one to believe that they are not counting on one or both of Deuce/Bush. If either of them are out, then Thomas seems to have decent value this week IMO.
 
I may play Pierre over Westbrook (depending on what news is out there on Westy before his game). I picked up Pierre two weeks ago, and was actually waiting to see if Deuce would be suspended before Bush came back.

 
Deuce has really failed to impress with the opportunity staring him in the face. Not sure how much he can be counted on even if he wins his appeal. I would say Pierre is a very good play this week and worthy of a roster spot for the rest of this campaign at least.

 
Quote about Deuce from Payton:

"It was maintenance and just monitoring where he’s at," coach Sean Payton said. "They drained it yesterday and we wanted to rest him today and see if it could calm down some."

 
Picked up Thomas a couple of days ago. I might play him instead of Ronnie (vs NE) but as was previously mentioned we may not know until Monday how many touches he might be in line for. Risky business...

 
We have two more days of practice. If Deuce doesn't practice or is limited, I think Thomas becomes very viable. My opinion (and yes I'm a Thomas owner) is Thomas is a better RB and has looked better than Deuce this year. I'm surprised it took until Week 11 for Thomas to get involved again offensively given how unimpressive Deuce has been. So if Deuce is hurt or hurting, I'm not sure why Payton would use him more.

That's just an opinion and it sure could be wrong, but if Deuce is limited or out of the next two days of practice, Thomas will be starting for me. Any negative word on Bush and Thomas becomes a strong start no matter how Deuce is doing.

 
RamMan said:
Picked up Thomas a couple of days ago. I might play him instead of Ronnie (vs NE) but as was previously mentioned we may not know until Monday how many touches he might be in line for. Risky business...
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I have him in over Ronnie at the moment.However, in week 3 when Ronnie last faced NE I benched him for Earnest Graham. That cost me a differential of 47 points. I have been unable to bring myself to bench Ronnie since then, and he has been overwhwelmingly mediocre.Tough call.
 
Oh yippee! I needed a roster spot after a trade, and dropped Thomas instead of Deuce and he was quickly claimed 2 days later.

This was before last Sunday, so there was no way of me knowing, but still... :hophead:

 
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Someone posted a link to a NO article earlier that speculated this could be Deuce's last game at the dome - and that he needs one more rushing TD to be the Saints all-time leader in that category. Pure speculation, but both factors could limit Pierre's value.

 
elbowrm said:
Someone posted a link to a NO article earlier that speculated this could be Deuce's last game at the dome - and that he needs one more rushing TD to be the Saints all-time leader in that category. Pure speculation, but both factors could limit Pierre's value.
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Yeah, this is something that has me concerned. Would not be surprised if Deuce can play that he gets several touches, a start, and important goal line chances. Whether it's Deuce's last Dome game or not, at home they love to trot out Deuce on major plays, it gets the crowd going which gets the team going. That being said, I picked up Pierre and if Bush is out he's a good play and if Deuce is out he's a good play. Gets a little crowded if Bush and Deuce are active, and in that case I'll sit Pierre for LJ. Would love to see Pierre be the man when I'm at the game Monday though.
 
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I'm biased as a Thomas owner but I'd like to believe that in Week 12 and with his team badly needing to win, that Payton would put sentiment behind giving his team the best chance to win. In watching Deuce this year, he looks old and slow and done. I think he could be the best short-yardage RB on the team, but he shouldn't be getting meaningful touches ahead of Thomas, who I believe is the superior talent. Again, I am a Thomas owner but one of the reasons why I'm a Thomas owner is because I think he's the second-best RB on the team and much better than Deuce.

We'll see what happens but I think Thomas' versatility can be much more effective against the Packers than Deuce's sluggishness.

 
Who knows really but if Deuce is healthy and the fans start yelling Deuce ! Deuce ! Payton is going to give in because Deuce needs 1 TD to get the final record he could accumulate as a Saints all time best RB. You can bet I as well as 68,000+ fans will be letting Payton know about it. If the Ball is at the goal line God help Sean Payton if he doesnt go in. :thumbup:

 
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If its a blowout, either way, maybe Deuce gets the gimmie TD from the 1 yard line. Otherwise, the writing is clearly on the wall already, and his knee acting up again isnt helping his tatus for Monday. Payton might also consider Deuce a guy who can sign with another team next year and not want to risk his health and well-being getting a few cheap carries. Being the Saints best RB ever, is that like being the tallest midget?

 
steelcityman said:
If its a blowout, either way, maybe Deuce gets the gimmie TD from the 1 yard line. Otherwise, the writing is clearly on the wall already, and his knee acting up again isnt helping his tatus for Monday. Payton might also consider Deuce a guy who can sign with another team next year and not want to risk his health and well-being getting a few cheap carries. Being the Saints best RB ever, is that like being the tallest midget?
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Your being a real tool now with your player and team insults.First of all when deuce has been given the opportunity this year he has ran better than Pierre Thomas period he has moved piles and even displayed some shifty moves to find the endzone. I admit, Deuce does look like he has lost a step and younger legs are needed going forward for the Saints, but He is still He is a very capable runner.

Secondly,It's amazing how everyone is jumping to conclusions, especially when knee draining is normal for players who have knee surgeries.

I am really interested to see, with Reggie not being 100%, Payton's decisions. Will he give the workload to Pierre, and use Reggie in more of a decoy roll, or whatever.

 
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We'll see what practice brings today and tomorrow but this report from RotoWorld makes it sound like Deuce at least expects to play Monday night:

Deuce McAllister says that he's had his knee drained a few times this year, but it was delayed this week because of his meeting with the NFL in New York.

It sounds like he's been through this a few times before and expects to play. "The knee will be fine," said McAllister. Still, Pierre Thomas was more effective last week and Reggie Bush might return. McAllister's role figures to be limited if he plays.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

 
bushisdaman said:
First of all when deuce has been given the opportunity this year he has ran better than Pierre Thomas period
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I disagree. I think he's done better in short-yardage situations because he's stronger. But I don't think he's looked as good overall as Thomas as a runner or receiver. I think he looks old and slow. Thomas brings more juice to the backfield. He's a better runner and receiver in my opinion. If Deuce has a role, it should be as a goal-line RB and that's it. He should be the Saints version of T.J. Duckett basically. That's my take and I'd say that even if I didn't own Pierre Thomas (I actually have Deuce in a few smaller leagues I don't care much about so I've been watching the Saints' backfield quite closely all season).
 
packersfan said:
bushisdaman said:
First of all when deuce has been given the opportunity this year he has ran better than Pierre Thomas period
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I disagree. I think he's done better in short-yardage situations because he's stronger. But I don't think he's looked as good overall as Thomas as a runner or receiver. I think he looks old and slow. Thomas brings more juice to the backfield. He's a better runner and receiver in my opinion. If Deuce has a role, it should be as a goal-line RB and that's it. He should be the Saints version of T.J. Duckett basically. That's my take and I'd say that even if I didn't own Pierre Thomas (I actually have Deuce in a few smaller leagues I don't care much about so I've been watching the Saints' backfield quite closely all season).
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While I agree somewhat, Pierre is playing Reggies role while Reggie is out however Pierre is not able to play Deuces role and move a mountain of men for one tough yard. there is a player who could fill Deuces role next season and he looked very very strong in preseason he is Lynell Hamiltonhttp://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=147793

The only reason that he didnt make the team was the got hurt and they signed him to the practice squad. He wont be brought back this year I dont think because he too will be serving a 4 game suspention for Star caps use.

 
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packersfan said:
bushisdaman said:
First of all when deuce has been given the opportunity this year he has ran better than Pierre Thomas period
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I disagree. I think he's done better in short-yardage situations because he's stronger. But I don't think he's looked as good overall as Thomas as a runner or receiver. I think he looks old and slow. Thomas brings more juice to the backfield. He's a better runner and receiver in my opinion. If Deuce has a role, it should be as a goal-line RB and that's it. He should be the Saints version of T.J. Duckett basically. That's my take and I'd say that even if I didn't own Pierre Thomas (I actually have Deuce in a few smaller leagues I don't care much about so I've been watching the Saints' backfield quite closely all season).
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:thumbdown: I think most teams would rather have a guy average 4.6 yards a carry (Thomas) compared to a 3.7 yard guy(Deuce).
 
Anon said:
My opinion, is some kind of compromise or half measure. I don't see the league letting it go unpunished, but I don't believe they will all serve 4 game suspensions. Best case would be 4 game supensions, commuted. Some kind of drug awareness program, probation, and the threat that another positive test could end in the 1 year suspension. I also think the league should start publishing to the players the results of any suppliments submitted to them for testing, as well as anything they test by themselves. Whats wrong with informing the players about suppliments that are safe or suspect?

Either way, I would just like it to be resolved.
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Thanks for your reply- I moved it to its own thread rather than leave it here.here is the link

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=442138

 
Deuce expected to play Monday night. From RotoWorld:

Deuce McAllister (knee, probable) returned to limited practice Friday.

The Saints are planning for McAllister to be available on Monday night, but his upside is as a less-explosive carry sharer with Pierre Thomas. Thomas has also been playing better than him recently. That makes Deuce a weak fantasy option even if Reggie Bush (knee, questionable) is inactive against Green Bay.

Related: Pierre Thomas

 
Rotoworld is saying that Bush didn't prictice today but hoping to practice Saturday. Listing him as questionable. Sounds like he won't play if he didn't practice today.

 
The_Fonz said:
Rotoworld is saying that Bush didn't prictice today but hoping to practice Saturday. Listing him as questionable. Sounds like he won't play if he didn't practice today.
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I've heard the Saints kept Bush out of practice today as a precaution and that it was part of their practice week plan for him. If he doesn't practice tomorrow then things will get interesting. Assuming you don't have more than one of these three RBs, you will probably have to make a decision about who to start on Sunday. Here's how I'd break it down:Bush - If he practices tomorrow and you don't have better options I'd definitely start him in a PPR league. I'd be less inclined to start him in a standard league but I would do it if my other options weren't very strong. I think if he practices tomorrow he's going to play but that's just a gut call on my part.Deuce - I'd start him if I usually have been. He's pretty much a lock to play barring a setback tomorrow and although he's risky given what we saw last week he has been scoring TDs and this game should feature plenty of points. So I think he's a pretty safe RB3 although I don't think he has much upside.Thomas - If Bush practices tomorrow I think he's way too risky to start if you can't replace him Monday night. If Bush sits tomorrow, I'd give strong consideration to starting him as a flex even though there's some risk attached if Bush suddenly feels better on Monday. But I think the upside is there. That's my two cents.
 
The_Fonz said:
Rotoworld is saying that Bush didn't prictice today but hoping to practice Saturday. Listing him as questionable. Sounds like he won't play if he didn't practice today.
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If the game was on Sunday, I would agree. Since the game is on Monday, then today is like missing Thursday's practice in my book.If you go a step further and read the Times-Picayune article that Rotoworld is referencing, you will see it says the following regarding Bush:

Reggie Bush did not practice Friday, and he is listed as questionable on the official injury report for Monday night's game against Green Bay.

Saints Coach Sean Payton said he is still hopeful that Bush will be able to play Monday and that he hopes Bush will return to practice on Saturday. He said Friday was a planned day of rest since the Saints have extra time to prepare for this week's game. He said Bush did not suffer a setback after he practiced on Thursday.

"We're just hopeful that tomorrow is better news than a week ago," Payton said. "We'll see where it's at."

Bush was not available for comment after practice.
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From KFFL:

A bunch of New Orleans Saints backfield news: Our source expects Reggie Bush (knee) to play Monday night and return to his normal offensive role. The projected carry split cites Bush with 15, Pierre Thomas with 10 or 11, and Deuce McAllister with seven or eight.

For what it's worth, this projection for RB carries from KFFL is pretty close to what FBG is projecting this week as well.

 
packersfan said:
From KFFL: A bunch of New Orleans Saints backfield news: Our source expects Reggie Bush (knee) to play Monday night and return to his normal offensive role. The projected carry split cites Bush with 15, Pierre Thomas with 10 or 11, and Deuce McAllister with seven or eight.For what it's worth, this projection for RB carries from KFFL is pretty close to what FBG is projecting this week as well.
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Ugly. :lmao:
 
I wouldn't expect Bush to get 15 carries this game, as it's his first game back. I would expect him to get maybe 8-10 catches though, trying to get him on the edge in open space.

 
For those in PPR leagues, Bush's value has always been the the volume of receptions. So the question for Monday night becomes - first game back, is Bush an outlet or a decoy?

One will assume that - if he plays - Bush is not severely at risk for re-injuring the knee (beyond the risk taken by any player stepping on the field). But one must also assume he won't be 100% his first game back.

Now, an 80% Reggie is still probably a top 5 RB in terms of taking dump-off passes, but that's still pretty limiting if that's the primary reason he's on the field (particularly when Brees has proven so adept at finding other receiving options in Bush's absence). So if Bush IS playing at 80% (probably closer to 90% or I doubt he'd take the field...but what the heck do percentages like that really mean anyway?), does that mean he'll catch 4 balls instead of his "normal" 7-10?

THAT'S the decision faced by the PPR fantasy masses.

My personal dilemma (since I know this is critical to add to the thread) is starting Peyton Hillis on Sunday or waiting until Monday to roll the dice on either Bush or Pierre. The fear, of course, is Bush doesn't play and McAllister proves the hot-hand at RB this week leaving limited production for Pierre (on the other hand, the alternative is starting a Denver RB...is there a more terrifying prospect in FF this year?).

My gut says the GTD on Reggie will end up being he sits one more week. But who knows? I hope he proves me wrong-wrong-wrong.

 
I am actually thinking of playing both Thomas and Bush! I am in need of a win to make the playoffs and might gamble that Bush plays (PPR Leagues) and PT sees more touches than Duece. If Bush does not play....I am screwed!!

Any news if Bush practiced today?

 
newest rotoworld blurb...

Reggie Bush (knee) returned to a "limited" practice on Saturday, but is still listed as questionable for Monday night's game against Green Bay.

Bush wouldn't commit to playing, which isn't encouraging. "It's been tough, just being out in general," he said. "I wish the progress was a little faster, but you can't rush Mother Nature." Coach Sean Payton expects Pierre Thomas and newly signed Mike Bell to "get a lot of touches, along with Deuce (McAllister)." It sounds like Bush will be limited if he plays. Thomas is a fair bet to lead New Orleans' backfield for the second straight week. Nov. 22 - 3:11 pm et

 
I'm rolling with Thomas as my RB3 this week. What the hell. If Payton is talking about Mike Bell getting touches this week, he must not be confident in either Bush or Deuce so I agree with RotoWorld that Thomas looks like the best bet to lead the team in touches again. In what should be a high-scoring game Thomas should do well if he gets 10-15 carries and is involved in the passing game.

 
My RB situation is ugly in one of my leagues. I have Westbrook who is likely to be a GT decision and has a bad matchup anyways. I also have CJ3 who has a bad matchup. Although I will probaly play CJ3 I am debating starting Thomas and D. Ward or Stewart, tough decisions this week.

 
Cabby said:
My RB situation is ugly in one of my leagues. I have Westbrook who is likely to be a GT decision and has a bad matchup anyways. I also have CJ3 who has a bad matchup. Although I will probaly play CJ3 I am debating starting Thomas and D. Ward or Stewart, tough decisions this week.
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I'm in a similar boat. probably going to bench Jacobs and need to decide between stewart, ward and thomas....2 of those 3 to start with Lynch.
 
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