Still not clear on this. Amendola had two catches today. On the first one, NFL.com has it going for three yards, whereupon he fumbled (TB subsequently fumbled it back on the return, but Amendola still gets charged with a lost fumble). Later, he caught a pass for eight yards. Yet NFL.com's stats have him down for 2/5 rather than 2/11, which means that they have the original catch for -3 instead of 3. Not sure which is accurate, but it could result in a change of 0.6, or even a full point if you don't use fractional scoring.
While I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't corrected, that "TD pass" was absolutely a lateral.That RG3 TD pass to Morgan looked pretty close to a lateral and not a pass?
Interesting, thanksStill not clear on this. Amendola had two catches today. On the first one, NFL.com has it going for three yards, whereupon he fumbled (TB subsequently fumbled it back on the return, but Amendola still gets charged with a lost fumble). Later, he caught a pass for eight yards. Yet NFL.com's stats have him down for 2/5 rather than 2/11, which means that they have the original catch for -3 instead of 3. Not sure which is accurate, but it could result in a change of 0.6, or even a full point if you don't use fractional scoring.
Almost had a heart attack Reading this. I thought u were saying they missed an ammendola catch of 3 yds. Winning by 1.05 in PPR vs ammendola.'zftcg said:Still not clear on this. Amendola had two catches today. On the first one, NFL.com has it going for three yards, whereupon he fumbled (TB subsequently fumbled it back on the return, but Amendola still gets charged with a lost fumble). Later, he caught a pass for eight yards. Yet NFL.com's stats have him down for 2/5 rather than 2/11, which means that they have the original catch for -3 instead of 3. Not sure which is accurate, but it could result in a change of 0.6, or even a full point if you don't use fractional scoring.
I was wondering about this one too. Impacts Bradford as well.'zftcg said:Still not clear on this. Amendola had two catches today. On the first one, NFL.com has it going for three yards, whereupon he fumbled (TB subsequently fumbled it back on the return, but Amendola still gets charged with a lost fumble). Later, he caught a pass for eight yards. Yet NFL.com's stats have him down for 2/5 rather than 2/11, which means that they have the original catch for -3 instead of 3. Not sure which is accurate, but it could result in a change of 0.6, or even a full point if you don't use fractional scoring.
I'm up .3 on amendola --- don't tell me these stories.Almost had a heart attack Reading this. I thought u were saying they missed an ammendola catch of 3 yds. Winning by 1.05 in PPR vs ammendola.'zftcg said:Still not clear on this. Amendola had two catches today. On the first one, NFL.com has it going for three yards, whereupon he fumbled (TB subsequently fumbled it back on the return, but Amendola still gets charged with a lost fumble). Later, he caught a pass for eight yards. Yet NFL.com's stats have him down for 2/5 rather than 2/11, which means that they have the original catch for -3 instead of 3. Not sure which is accurate, but it could result in a change of 0.6, or even a full point if you don't use fractional scoring.
A blocked FG is considered a Defensive play, not a Special Teams play.right now mfl is not scoring the blocked fg td as "points scored by offense or special teams" which cant be right.
As far as I know, a tackle for 0 yards is still considered a sack. Just depends on if they change it to a rushing attempt, which is a possibility.'airbran7 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1WDct3NI8Check out sack #3 and lemme know what you think. I'm playing SD's Defense and I'm down .85. Since a sack is a point and if they were correct this I would win. Any thoughts?
A tackle for 0 yards CAN be considered a sack, but it all depends on what the official scorekeeper decides. If the player is obviously attempting to run the ball, then it won't be scored as a sack.As far as I know, a tackle for 0 yards is still considered a sack. Just depends on if they change it to a rushing attempt, which is a possibility.%26%2339%3Bairbran7%26%2339%3B said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1WDct3NI8Check out sack #3 and lemme know what you think. I'm playing SD's Defense and I'm down .85. Since a sack is a point and if they were correct this I would win. Any thoughts?
That is all of them...These are all the corrections for week 16?
This is how it's described in the play-by-play:These are all the corrections for week 16? They're just going to rob amendola of 6 yards after having the clear video for the public on the nfl website?
So it looks like they are counting the fumble as "negative receiving yards". Is that standard policy for the NFL? I can't recall. If Amendola had fumbled the ball forward 20 yards, would he get credit for 20 receiving yards??2-10-STL 20 (5:10) (Shotgun) 8-S.Bradford pass short right to 16-D.Amendola to STL 23 for 3 yards (29-L.Johnson). FUMBLES (29-L.Johnson), RECOVERED by TB-29-L.Johnson at STL 17. 29-L.Johnson to STL 16 for 1 yard (79-B.Richardson). FUMBLES (79-B.Richardson), RECOVERED by STL-59-R.Turner at STL 5. 59-R.Turner to STL 5 for no gain (59-M.Foster).
Good point! But if you examine the box score and the play by play of the Saints-Cowboys game, you will find that Colston DOES NOT get the yardarge from his fumble!Furthermore, Jimmy Graham and Drew Brees don't get credit for the yardage, either! Graham gets credit for the fumble recovery, but he doesn't get any receiving yards, nor does he get any fumble recovery yards. Basically, there are 22 yards that are completely unaccounted for. I checked through the entire Gamebook and the 22 yards aren't mentioned there either -- note that the "Total Net Yards" (562) includes only the 446 passing yards and the 116 rushing yards.Seems as if amendola loses the yardage then colston should get the yardage in the saints game for his fumble right?
As a Graham owner I want those 22 yards.Course it would've been better if he kicked the ball into the end zone and recovered it there. Damn you Jimmy.Good point! But if you examine the box score and the play by play of the Saints-Cowboys game, you will find that Colston DOES NOT get the yardarge from his fumble!Furthermore, Jimmy Graham and Drew Brees don't get credit for the yardage, either! Graham gets credit for the fumble recovery, but he doesn't get any receiving yards, nor does he get any fumble recovery yards. Basically, there are 22 yards that are completely unaccounted for. I checked through the entire Gamebook and the 22 yards aren't mentioned there either -- note that the "Total Net Yards" (562) includes only the 446 passing yards and the 116 rushing yards.Seems as if amendola loses the yardage then colston should get the yardage in the saints game for his fumble right?
So what's the deal here? Is it the NFL's policy to include fumbles for negative yardage but EXCLUDE fumbles for positive yardage?![]()
My understanding with that one is that if the WR recovers his own fumble, it is considered a continuation of the play, and therefore a TD reception. If someone else had recovered it, it would have been a fumble recovery TD. Of course, for fantasy purposes, the one who benefited was not Brown (who had a TD regardless) but Ben, who was credited with a TD pass.The Amendola thing makes no sense to me. Then again I'm still trying to figure out how Antonio Brown was credited with a touchdown catch after fumbling the ball before going into the end zone earlier in the season.
Yup and to me that's the sticking point. Points were given to a player who didn't deserve them. If someone else had recovered the fumble it wouldn't have been credited as a TD catch. So in my opinion the same rule should be applied to Brown. He caught the ball, fumbled and then recovered the fumble. That should be in my opinion a fumble recovery, not a TD catch. I still think Roethlisberger owners got a gift they shouldn't have gotten.My understanding with that one is that if the WR recovers his own fumble, it is considered a continuation of the play, and therefore a TD reception. If someone else had recovered it, it would have been a fumble recovery TD. Of course, for fantasy purposes, the one who benefited was not Brown (who had a TD regardless) but Ben, who was credited with a TD pass.The Amendola thing makes no sense to me. Then again I'm still trying to figure out how Antonio Brown was credited with a touchdown catch after fumbling the ball before going into the end zone earlier in the season.
It makes sense that a player doesn't get credit for yards the ball traveled before they recovered it, but it is a little odd that they don't get any yardage for rushing yards after they pick it up. In the Niners-Pats game, Gore picked up a fumble in the backfield and ran it in from nine yards out. It was almost indistinguishable from a running play, but he gets no running yards for it, just a fumble-recovery TD.On the other hand, if a runner runs down the field and pitches the ball to another player, that player does get rushing yards for however far they advance it. If they throw it downfield and the receiver pitches it (ie, a hook-and-lateral), I believe the player who gets the lateral is awarded receiving yards, but I'm not totally sure.As a Graham owner I want those 22 yards.Course it would've been better if he kicked the ball into the end zone and recovered it there. Damn you Jimmy.
There was some discussion regarding that play when it happened, and the conclusion was that if you recover your own fumble, then the play continues as if nothing happened. Therefore, Brown was credited with an 11 yard receiving touchdown even though he fumbled the ball at the 1-yard-line.The other interesting thing about that game is that Brown had another fumble in which the ball went forward 8 yards and was recovered by Oakland. Guess what? Brown DID NOT get credit for those 8 yards! As with the Colston play, those 8 yards simply disappeared.The Amendola thing makes no sense to me. Then again I'm still trying to figure out how Antonio Brown was credited with a touchdown catch after fumbling the ball before going into the end zone earlier in the season.
The weird thing about that play is that the play-by-play gives Gore credit for a 9-yard Fumble Recovery TD, but the box score only gives Gore credit for 3 Fumble Return Yards. It seems to me that if you're going to call it a "9 yard fumble recovery TD", then the player should get credit for all 9 yards, right?It makes sense that a player doesn't get credit for yards the ball traveled before they recovered it, but it is a little odd that they don't get any yardage for rushing yards after they pick it up. In the Niners-Pats game, Gore picked up a fumble in the backfield and ran it in from nine yards out. It was almost indistinguishable from a running play, but he gets no running yards for it, just a fumble-recovery TD.As a Graham owner I want those 22 yards.
Course it would've been better if he kicked the ball into the end zone and recovered it there. Damn you Jimmy.
Correct. Walker is only credited with a 0-yard catch even though he caught the ball for a 1-yard gain. (He subsequently fumbled it backwards 1 yard.)RE: Amendola. Check out the week 15 Pats / San Fran game. Delanie Walker had a similar situation. Fumbled and the assigned receiving yards for that play were for a loss of the line of scrimmage vs. where the fumble was recovered.
Hmmm. The box score at NFL.com shows Walker with 2 receptions for 34 yards. Walker's Game Log also shows 2-for-34 yards. Where are you seeing 2-for-29 yards?Actually - I believe he was credited for a -5 yard catch. So, the line of scrimmage was the 5. Even thought he caught it originally for a 1 yard gain, the fumble occured and was recovered at the 10. (His only other catch was a 34 yard TD and his final game stats say 2 catches for 29 yards)
2-5-NE5 (7:39) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short right to D.Walker to NE 4 for 1 yard (S.Gregory). FUMBLES (S.Gregory), RECOVERED by NE-A.Talib at NE 10. A.Talib to NE 10 for no gain (D.Walker). Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and Upheld.
Weird - I am looking at the CBSsports.com gametracker: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/live/NFL_20121216_SF@NE
NAME TEAM-POS STAT CHANGEDelanie Walker (SF - TE) Rec Yds 5Johnathan Joseph (Hou - CB) Tack Solo -1Colin Kaepernick (SF - QB) Pass Yds 5Kareem Jackson (Hou - CB) Tack Solo 1Marcell Dareus (Buf - DT) Blk Kick -1Alex Carrington (Buf - DT) Blk Kick 1
His first catch was officially for 0 yards -- he caught the ball for a 1-yard gain, but then fumbled the ball for a 1-yard loss. The Patriots then picked up the fumble and advanced it for 5 more yards, but those yards were not counted against Walker.It was the same thing with Amendola. Amendola caught a 3-yard pass, but then fumbled it backwards 6 yards and was therefore credited with negative-3 yards.By the way, Walker's numbers still don't make sense. If his first catch was either for 1 or -5 yards, and the second was for 34, how could he have 2/34?
According to the game log above, he fumbled on the 4, Talib recovered on the 10, and did not advance it. Where are you getting the one yard loss from?Update: Never mind, watched the video (http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-francisco-49ers/0ap2000000114003/Official-Review-Delanie-Walker-s-fumble) and you're right about the yardage. Talib picks it up at the 5 and advances it to the 10. Game log is wrong.His first catch was officially for 0 yards -- he caught the ball for a 1-yard gain, but then fumbled the ball for a 1-yard loss. The Patriots then picked up the fumble and advanced it for 5 more yards, but those yards were not counted against Walker.By the way, Walker's numbers still don't make sense. If his first catch was either for 1 or -5 yards, and the second was for 34, how could he have 2/34?
You're looking at the unofficial CBS play-by-play, which is incorrect.Here is what the official play-by-play says at NFL.com:According to the game log above, he fumbled on the 4, Talib recovered on the 10, and did not advance it. Where are you getting the one yard loss from?His first catch was officially for 0 yards -- he caught the ball for a 1-yard gain, but then fumbled the ball for a 1-yard loss. The Patriots then picked up the fumble and advanced it for 5 more yards, but those yards were not counted against Walker.By the way, Walker's numbers still don't make sense. If his first catch was either for 1 or -5 yards, and the second was for 34, how could he have 2/34?
2-5-NE 5 (7:39) (Shotgun) 7-C.Kaepernick pass short right to 46-D.Walker to NE 4 for 1 yard (28-S.Gregory). FUMBLES (28-S.Gregory), RECOVERED by NE-31-A.Talib at NE 5. 31-A.Talib to NE 10 for 5 yards (46-D.Walker). The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld.
Yes, it seems that the NFL's official policy is to deduct negative fumble yards from your receiving yards, while positive fumble yards do not count at all (unless you recover the fumble yourself).Good work Joe Summer. So at the end of the day, fair to say that the Walker situation is similar and Amendola's 2 / 5 yards should stand? (I just happened to randomly find the Walker fumble which had a separate stat correction within the play, but in a sense not related to what we are talking about with Amendola!)