Statorama
Footballguy
There was no way that the Patriots were going to lose this game. The fact that it looked close was just a bonus for the NFL.
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Week 17 - New England Patriots at New York Giants (1 Viewer)
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
The original quote was decent or good teams. I took all teams that are alive for the playoffs. Washington wins and they are in. Cleveland is in if Tenn loses. There are only 12 playoff teams in the NFL. I dont think it is a stretch to call each of those 12 a good team.You threw in Cleveland and Washington. It's 3/5, which isn't bad. No need to exaggerate.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Dude walked into that one...
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
not sure if it was Brady or not but I definitely heard "that was the best f#($ play all season" during the locker room shot
thehornet
Footballguy
fish much?
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Great game, all around. As a Pats fan, cool to see some congrats passed along from the masses on an undefeated regular season.
I hope for a Patriots run to the title, but it'll be a tough road, no doubt. I, for one, don't think they've accomplished all that much ( team wise ) without a SB titile, so now comes the real games.
Giants played a solid game tonight. They can cause some waves in the NFC playoffs if they can bring the same fire to the next game.
I hope for a Patriots run to the title, but it'll be a tough road, no doubt. I, for one, don't think they've accomplished all that much ( team wise ) without a SB titile, so now comes the real games.
Giants played a solid game tonight. They can cause some waves in the NFC playoffs if they can bring the same fire to the next game.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Dude, total patsfish much?
here... but do you think 16-0 means squat if they don't win it all?
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jonessed
Footballguy
Pretty much. Being an incredible regular season team never got much accolade.Dude, total patshere... but do you think 16-0 means squat if they don't win it all?
News flash, the Pats are a DYNASTY.So when you stack them up against others, you compare more then just SBs.Pretty much. Being an incredible regular season team never got much accolade.Dude, total pats
3 SB rings, most points ever, most TDs ever, most receiving TDs ever, perfect season, very impressive feats.
It just adds more fuel to the fire when you debate the Montana 49ers vs the Brady Pats. History will remember 16-0, regardless of what happens next month. They've already won 3 rings; it would be a stretch to call it "horribly meaningless" if a team with 3 rings didn't win a 4th. The 16-0 season will stand as the most impressive regular season in the history of the NFL, and I'd guess most Pats fans/players will take it regardless of what happens next month.
The Pats are not the new kids on the block. Not winning a 4th SB isn't an epic failure. It's hard to win SBs. The Pats have dominated the last 7 years. Yes they didn't win the SB every year. It's hard to call the "down" years epic failures. They've always had expectations. This year is no different.
Good for them, I'm not sure we'll ever see it again for a long long time.
Eggs
Footballguy
KiddLattimer said:FixedStatorama said:
I am shocked at the number of shady calls and mistakes made to close the game out. Could you imagine the controversy had this game only been aired on NFLN? This game is going to generate weeks of sports talk debate, maybe even a life times worth...
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The Ghost of Common
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Things I learned this season...
Note: I am a lifelong Broncos fans...
1. The Patriots are obnoxious, annoying and arrogant
2. The Patriots haters are more obnoxious, more annoying, more arrogant, and completely clueless.
3. If a call went in favor of the Patriots it was a an awful awful call. I haven't seen but three posts regarding that "late hit" in the 4th quarter and how obviously bad the call was...yet the Patriots get a 5 yard holding call vs. the Ravens and we have FOUR THREADS ABOUT IT.
4. If a call went against the Pats...it was an AWESOME call and the refs are truly heroes.
5. If a team plays well against the Patriots but blows it at the end, it's because the team LOST the game, not because the Patriots won it.
6. If a team plays poorly against the Patriots and loses at the end, the Patriots schedule was too easy and that's why they won.
Never, have I seen more tools in my life than in the Shark Pool during a Patriots win. I thought I hated the Patriots, but the Patriots haters at FBG.com this year just made me root for the Pats through their playoff run. Obnoxious, whiny, bratty, babyish, wankers.
Note: I am a lifelong Broncos fans...
1. The Patriots are obnoxious, annoying and arrogant
2. The Patriots haters are more obnoxious, more annoying, more arrogant, and completely clueless.
3. If a call went in favor of the Patriots it was a an awful awful call. I haven't seen but three posts regarding that "late hit" in the 4th quarter and how obviously bad the call was...yet the Patriots get a 5 yard holding call vs. the Ravens and we have FOUR THREADS ABOUT IT.
4. If a call went against the Pats...it was an AWESOME call and the refs are truly heroes.
5. If a team plays well against the Patriots but blows it at the end, it's because the team LOST the game, not because the Patriots won it.
6. If a team plays poorly against the Patriots and loses at the end, the Patriots schedule was too easy and that's why they won.
Never, have I seen more tools in my life than in the Shark Pool during a Patriots win. I thought I hated the Patriots, but the Patriots haters at FBG.com this year just made me root for the Pats through their playoff run. Obnoxious, whiny, bratty, babyish, wankers.
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Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Armando's Dolphins Blog:
aturday, December 29, 2007
Perfect Dolphins react to Patriots 16-0 record
The Patriots have just defeated the New York Giants 38-35 to complete their regular season with a 16-0 record. So they have a perfect regular season.
Here are some reactions to that feat by the 1972 Dolphins which were undefeated in the regular season and went on to complete their perfect 17-0 season with a Super Bowl victory.
Head Coach Don Shula: “Going undefeated during the regular season is a remarkable achievement. I know first hand how difficult it is to win every game, and just as we did in 1972, the Patriots have done a great job concentrating on each week’s opponent and not letting any other distractions interrupt that focus. If they go on to complete an undefeated season, I will be the first to congratulate Coach Belichick and the Patriot organization.”
Defensive Tackle Manny Fernandez: “Congratulations to the Patriots for winning all of their regular season games. If they finish without a loss, it’s almost going to be a relief to me. That way, the media will start to call them the first eight or nine games each year whenever a team starts undefeated instead of calling us. That will give us a break.”
Running Back Jim Kiick: “If they finish up undefeated, I would be the one of the first to help lift their chair up on the mountaintop. Going undefeated in the regular season is a great accomplishment. But I’m sure going 16-0 isn’t important to them – they wan to go 19-0. If they finish 18-1 by losing the Super Bowl, there’s no doubt they would look at it as a disappointing season. And that’s the way we viewed it back in 1972. Our main objective wasn’t going undefeated, it was to win the Super Bowl. So it’s great that they’ve gotten this far, but I know what’s really important to them is to win that last game, not necessarily all the ones before it.”
Guard Bob Kuechenberg: “They’ve done a heck of a job thus far. But now the exhibition season is over and the real season begins. Obviously, if they can win their first playoff game, beat an even more dangerous Colts team, and then Brett Favre or the Dallas Cowboys in the Super Bowl, I will be the first to take my hat off to them. If they can pull it off, they will have earned it.
“But my heart is dead set against it. The ’72 team in uniquely immortal in American sports and I don’t want us to lose that special place. We will forever be immortal, and if they win every game in front of them, then they will join us among those ranks. They will have deserved it ant I will congratulate them. But something in my heart makes me feel that we accomplished something so special that it forever sets the standard of excellence in sports.
“Imperfect is mortal. Perfect is immortal.”
Tight End Jim Mandich: “My sincerest congratulations go out to the Patriots. In this salary cap-era, free agency-era, I didn’t think it could be done, and the Patriots did it. They are a remarkable team. They are terrifically coached, and if somebody was going to tie the Miami Dolphins record in the regular season of going unbeaten, it’s appropriate that it would be the Patriots because they are a class act.”
Quarterback Earl Morrall: “I’d like to congratulate the New England Patriots. They’ve had a great run and a great season in winning all of their games. I’m sure if they look at it, it’s a difficult thing to do. They play great football, so you’ve got to compliment them on that. Now you’ve got to see if they can finish it and go the distance – the playoffs, championship and Super Bowl. You’ve got those to go to end up perfect, and we’ll be the first ones to congratulate them if they do it.”
Running Back Mercury Morris: “My feeling about it is as consistent as it has been all year. It doesn’t matter to me whether or not they win them all because it doesn’t affect anything we’ve done. When all the dust clears, the best they can do is to stand beside us, and in the end, that’s not a bad thing. I will welcome them to the neighborhood with my Mr. Rogers sweater on, but first they have to get to the neighborhood.”
aturday, December 29, 2007
Perfect Dolphins react to Patriots 16-0 record
The Patriots have just defeated the New York Giants 38-35 to complete their regular season with a 16-0 record. So they have a perfect regular season.
Here are some reactions to that feat by the 1972 Dolphins which were undefeated in the regular season and went on to complete their perfect 17-0 season with a Super Bowl victory.
Head Coach Don Shula: “Going undefeated during the regular season is a remarkable achievement. I know first hand how difficult it is to win every game, and just as we did in 1972, the Patriots have done a great job concentrating on each week’s opponent and not letting any other distractions interrupt that focus. If they go on to complete an undefeated season, I will be the first to congratulate Coach Belichick and the Patriot organization.”
Defensive Tackle Manny Fernandez: “Congratulations to the Patriots for winning all of their regular season games. If they finish without a loss, it’s almost going to be a relief to me. That way, the media will start to call them the first eight or nine games each year whenever a team starts undefeated instead of calling us. That will give us a break.”
Running Back Jim Kiick: “If they finish up undefeated, I would be the one of the first to help lift their chair up on the mountaintop. Going undefeated in the regular season is a great accomplishment. But I’m sure going 16-0 isn’t important to them – they wan to go 19-0. If they finish 18-1 by losing the Super Bowl, there’s no doubt they would look at it as a disappointing season. And that’s the way we viewed it back in 1972. Our main objective wasn’t going undefeated, it was to win the Super Bowl. So it’s great that they’ve gotten this far, but I know what’s really important to them is to win that last game, not necessarily all the ones before it.”
Guard Bob Kuechenberg: “They’ve done a heck of a job thus far. But now the exhibition season is over and the real season begins. Obviously, if they can win their first playoff game, beat an even more dangerous Colts team, and then Brett Favre or the Dallas Cowboys in the Super Bowl, I will be the first to take my hat off to them. If they can pull it off, they will have earned it.
“But my heart is dead set against it. The ’72 team in uniquely immortal in American sports and I don’t want us to lose that special place. We will forever be immortal, and if they win every game in front of them, then they will join us among those ranks. They will have deserved it ant I will congratulate them. But something in my heart makes me feel that we accomplished something so special that it forever sets the standard of excellence in sports.
“Imperfect is mortal. Perfect is immortal.”
Tight End Jim Mandich: “My sincerest congratulations go out to the Patriots. In this salary cap-era, free agency-era, I didn’t think it could be done, and the Patriots did it. They are a remarkable team. They are terrifically coached, and if somebody was going to tie the Miami Dolphins record in the regular season of going unbeaten, it’s appropriate that it would be the Patriots because they are a class act.”
Quarterback Earl Morrall: “I’d like to congratulate the New England Patriots. They’ve had a great run and a great season in winning all of their games. I’m sure if they look at it, it’s a difficult thing to do. They play great football, so you’ve got to compliment them on that. Now you’ve got to see if they can finish it and go the distance – the playoffs, championship and Super Bowl. You’ve got those to go to end up perfect, and we’ll be the first ones to congratulate them if they do it.”
Running Back Mercury Morris: “My feeling about it is as consistent as it has been all year. It doesn’t matter to me whether or not they win them all because it doesn’t affect anything we’ve done. When all the dust clears, the best they can do is to stand beside us, and in the end, that’s not a bad thing. I will welcome them to the neighborhood with my Mr. Rogers sweater on, but first they have to get to the neighborhood.”
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Congrats to the Patriots on going 16-0. Regardless of how much bull crap happened with them this year, 16-0 is still a helluva accomplishment.
And are the Giants really that pleased with themselves over barely losing to the Patriots? Someone ought to remind them that this is the NFL; there are no such things as moral victories. Everyone is going to be picking them now next week, but I say they get drilled by the Bucs.
And are the Giants really that pleased with themselves over barely losing to the Patriots? Someone ought to remind them that this is the NFL; there are no such things as moral victories. Everyone is going to be picking them now next week, but I say they get drilled by the Bucs.
jonessed
Footballguy
I don't know what you are going for here, but what does a 16-0 season mean if you aren't even the best team of the season? It's all or nothing. Either it's a perfect season or it isn't.News flash, the Pats are a DYNASTY.So when you stack them up against others, you compare more then just SBs.Pretty much. Being an incredible regular season team never got much accolade.Dude, total patshere... but do you think 16-0 means squat if they don't win it all?
3 SB rings, most points ever, most TDs ever, most receiving TDs ever, perfect season, very impressive feats.
It just adds more fuel to the fire when you debate the Montana 49ers vs the Brady Pats. History will remember 16-0, regardless of what happens next month. They've already won 3 rings; it would be a stretch to call it "horribly meaningless" if a team with 3 rings didn't win a 4th. The 16-0 season will stand as the most impressive regular season in the history of the NFL, and I'd guess most Pats fans/players will take it regardless of what happens next month.
The Pats are not the new kids on the block. Not winning a 4th SB isn't an epic failure. It's hard to win SBs. The Pats have dominated the last 7 years. Yes they didn't win the SB every year. It's hard to call the "down" years epic failures. They've always had expectations. This year is no different.
Good for them, I'm not sure we'll ever see it again for a long long time.
snogger
Footballguy
I don't know what you are going for here, but what does a 16-0 season mean if you aren't even the best team of the season? It's all or nothing. Either it's a perfect season or it isn't.News flash, the Pats are a DYNASTY.So when you stack them up against others, you compare more then just SBs.Pretty much. Being an incredible regular season team never got much accolade.Dude, total pats
3 SB rings, most points ever, most TDs ever, most receiving TDs ever, perfect season, very impressive feats.
It just adds more fuel to the fire when you debate the Montana 49ers vs the Brady Pats. History will remember 16-0, regardless of what happens next month. They've already won 3 rings; it would be a stretch to call it "horribly meaningless" if a team with 3 rings didn't win a 4th. The 16-0 season will stand as the most impressive regular season in the history of the NFL, and I'd guess most Pats fans/players will take it regardless of what happens next month.
The Pats are not the new kids on the block. Not winning a 4th SB isn't an epic failure. It's hard to win SBs. The Pats have dominated the last 7 years. Yes they didn't win the SB every year. It's hard to call the "down" years epic failures. They've always had expectations. This year is no different.
Good for them, I'm not sure we'll ever see it again for a long long time.
How many knew before last night that the 1942 bears went undefeated in the regular season, but lost the Championship game??16-0 is GREAT.. but if they lose in the playoffs, they will be remembered for that loss, instead of the 16-0 season.
Believe me, this is coming from a viking fan that watched a 1998 team go 15-1 and lose to the bleeping Falcons.. Very few remember much about the 15-1 record, but everyone remembers the loss.
This is exactly what I thought. The TD after this call hurt more than the punt on 4th and 20 would have.BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
He's never really been quite as quick since his stroke. Still a smart player and leader but he is no longer makes the game changing big plays that he did before the stroke. There was talk that he was going to retire last offseason but he came back.Joe Bryant said:
Nigel
Footballguy
I understand the hate, but the extent to which many in this place go overboard with it is ridiculous. The most whiny toolish Pats fans in here do not hold a candle to the whiny toolish haters on he whiny toolishness meter.I was fortunate enough to go to the game last night. Great game for both sides, but I have one question: Has anyone one the Patriots line been called for holding at all this year? Strahan was being tackled while making tackles last night. I've never seen anything like it.
After the game, Plaxico said it was the worst officiated game he's seen in 8 years. I'm not sure I agree with that (re: Seahawks/Steelers SB), but there were some strange calls and non-calls last night. Incidental contact in the first quarter leading to the Pats first TD after the Giants had stopped them, Toomer being flagged for Unsportsmanlike Conduct when the Patriot special teamer tripped on his own getting back onto the field, Plax getting tackled in the endzone prior to the ball getting there (altough I believe the Giants scored on the same drive).
After the game, Plaxico said it was the worst officiated game he's seen in 8 years. I'm not sure I agree with that (re: Seahawks/Steelers SB), but there were some strange calls and non-calls last night. Incidental contact in the first quarter leading to the Pats first TD after the Giants had stopped them, Toomer being flagged for Unsportsmanlike Conduct when the Patriot special teamer tripped on his own getting back onto the field, Plax getting tackled in the endzone prior to the ball getting there (altough I believe the Giants scored on the same drive).
Nigel
Footballguy
yes, very poorly officiated - both ways.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Know what the record is for teams the week following playing the Pats this season?4-10.Teams get all jacked up for the Patriots and lay a major egg the following week when they can't get as geared up again.Jints will be an easy out for the Bucs playing at home. Lock of the season.
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The Ghost of Common
Guest
LOL @ The Patriots haters in this thread praising the Giants for not pulling their starters and playing hard in a meaningless game.
The same tools whining all season long that the Patriots wouldn't pull their starters during the meaningless stages of a game.
Awesome stuff here.
The same tools whining all season long that the Patriots wouldn't pull their starters during the meaningless stages of a game.
Awesome stuff here.
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That's just too funny. Iin getting to 16-0, NE has beaten:The #1 seed in the NFC, who has one other loss, to the Eagles, who the Patriots also beat. This game was in Dallas.They didn't play the #3 or #4 seeds in the NFCThey beat the #5 seed in the NFC, in the Meadowlands. Yes, it was only by 3 after a late Giants TD pulled them to within 3. But, it's still a win. They absolutely hammered the #6 seed in the NFC. Flip to the AFC. They beat the #2 Seed, on the road. A team whose only other loss came on the road against SD, where NE also won.They beat the #3 and #4 seeds quite handilly. No matter how they end up, they beat both Pitt and SD. They didnt' play the #5 seed. At 6, if the Browns get in, they have beaten them, but it it's the Titans, they haven't played. I wouldn't expect a team to look dominant week in and out playing this schedule. That's what is so impressive about the 16-0. They beat most of the good or decent teams, in addition to winning those trap games. They didn't look dominant against many of the top teams. You don't have to dominate. You just have to win. They've done that for a bit.
It's always poorly officiated when you commit more penalties than the other side. Since you're new to football, I'll tell you. There's holding on every play. It's only called when it's egregious. There are always non-calls. Outside of the Toomer incident, which we don't every see or hear everything going on, I want to know why you dispute the call? It's not incidental contact when you hold after 5 yards. It's not incidental when you run through a receiver with your back to the ball. If you didagree with any of the calls made, it's because of a lack of understanding of the rules, not bad calls.
Not new to football at all. The Incidental Contact was during the first quarter and occured as the Giants sacked Brady to force a 4th down. I believe it was Corey Webster who was flagged for illegal contact when it appeared he and the Pats receiver got their feet tangled together. He was running along side of him and did not hold, push, or impede his progress. They were both looking back for a ball that was never thrown since Brady was on his back.Being at the game, I understand I see a lot more of what is happening than you see on TV.For a team to throw as often as the Pats, and not get a single holding call is tough to believe. Especially when some were as blatant as the holds on Strahan.
The call was illegal contact. He was holding the receiver 10 yards down the field. It's a penalty. Maybe there was further contact, exacerbating the call, but the replay we saw on TV was a DB trying to prevent a WR from funning his route. Is it called every time? No, especially away from the ball. But, to pretend it was a poor call is wrong. So, there wasn't a single holding call against the Pats line. There were many missed on the Giants too. That's football.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I thought the play in question was extremely tick tacky, but if the Patriots don't score a TD on that drive as a result, the Giants don't kick a kickoff to return for a TD, so really, that penalty didn't affect the outcome of the game.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
That call was pretty ticky-tacky. If you're going to call that one, there probably could be another 20 of similar nature that you could call. I think the Pats only got a field goal on that drive though.
Balco
Footballguy
I agree with this pretty much, but you are omitting the dirtiest, cheapest player in NFL history - Rodney Harrison. The fact he is a cheater too just adds to it. That's why I can't appreciate a defense with a bunch of blue collar, lunch pail guys.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I like this guy.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Why on Earth would we bring Jack Tatum into this discussion?
God, you've just made dumb point after dumb point in this thread. You mean, the Pats should "conduct themselves" as well as your Steelers did at the end of being waxed by the Patriots, when they were laying out late hits and all kinds of other extracurricular sh**tt after the whistle? Learn when to quit while you're behind, dude.
The Great Snook
Footballguy
That was such a good game. I'll even go so far as to say it was a great game.
Bill Lust
Footballguy
Why on Earth would we bring Jack Tatum into this discussion?God, you've just made dumb point after dumb point in this thread. You mean, the Pats should "conduct themselves" as well as your Steelers did at the end of being waxed by the Patriots, when they were laying out late hits and all kinds of other extracurricular sh**tt after the whistle? Learn when to quit while you're behind, dude.
Someone who roots for the Steelers not liking how the Pats conduct themselves on the field... Wow.
sandlotshrink
Footballguy
Haven't read through all 18 pages of posts, but definetely a catch-22 to see the way Jacobs and the TE (Moss?) were able to score for G-men in Week 17 Offense. Drafted Jacobs and Shockey with the hopes they'd put together that type of a game on a regular basis, but only left disappointed with their regular season performances.
Balco
Footballguy
Whoops, think you are confusing me with someone else. This is my 1st post in this thread and I am a Packers fan. I completely stand by my position - Rodney Harrison (relax, not just as a PAtriot, but as a Charger too), is the cheapest player in the history of the game. And a cheater to boot.Why on Earth would we bring Jack Tatum into this discussion?
true, my bad...i'm confusing you with the 423 idiotic pats haters here. but saying rodney harrison is cheaper than jack tatum is off, IMO. rodney is chippy....tatum was just evil.Whoops, think you are confusing me with someone else. This is my 1st post in this thread and I am a Packers fan. I completely stand by my position - Rodney Harrison (relax, not just as a PAtriot, but as a Charger too), is the cheapest player in the history of the game. And a cheater to boot.Why on Earth would we bring Jack Tatum into this discussion?God, you've just made dumb point after dumb point in this thread. You mean, the Pats should "conduct themselves" as well as your Steelers did at the end of being waxed by the Patriots, when they were laying out late hits and all kinds of other extracurricular sh**tt after the whistle? Learn when to quit while you're behind, dude.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
There is a reason why I left Rodney off that list. Rodney is a difference maker and I think the Pats likely would have been SB Champs last year if he hadnt gotten hurt in the last regular season game. However, he got caught doing HGH and I cant respect that. To taint the whole Patriots team because you dont like Harrison is a bit much to me though.Balco said:Whoops, think you are confusing me with someone else. This is my 1st post in this thread and I am a Packers fan. I completely stand by my position - Rodney Harrison (relax, not just as a PAtriot, but as a Charger too), is the cheapest player in the history of the game. And a cheater to boot.tick dog said:Why on Earth would we bring Jack Tatum into this discussion?Balco said:
