Welker fumble (?) (1 Viewer)

[GCP]

MFL is scoring the Welker muffed punt as a fumble lost. Apparently ESPN is not scoring it as a fumble but Yahoo is.

How is everyone scoring this? Going along with the website? The offended owner is making a big stink about it.

 

[Sinrman]

I would think that is listed as a fumble lost. My main league goes by NFL.com as the official site, and it has it listed correctly as a fumble lost:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013090500/2013/REG1/ravens@broncos#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

 

[Leonidas]

Fumble lost.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If a league doesn't score ST's points for individual players, why would it be scored at all? I having the same issue in my league. It was a ST's play.

 

[Acrobat7]

if you would have been rewarded the points for a punt return TD, than you should also receive the minus points for the muff/lost fumble.

if a return TD doesn't count in your league the fumble shouldn't either.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

if you would have been rewarded the points for a punt return TD, than you should also receive the minus points for the muff/lost fumble.

if a return TD doesn't count in your league the fumble shouldn't either.

Exactly.

 

[Leonidas]

The way mine have been set up for years is. It makes sense and nobody has any issues with it, but thinking about it it isn't necessarily logical.

-Individual players get points for a return TD, but not return yards. (though yards can be counted if that's what people want, and they have been at times)

-The DEF does not gain points for returning a punt/kick for a TD, only the individual player does

-Players always get charged for a fumble lost.

-Blocked punts/kicks count towards the DEF, even though that is a special teams play

 

[nb009]

ESPN will adjust

 

[Bad Mojo]

Been using CBS for a decade...never recall this happening before....but it did for Welker

 

[crowe1130]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

 

[GregR]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

 

[Phenix]

MFL is scoring the Welker muffed punt as a fumble lost. Apparently ESPN is not scoring it as a fumble but Yahoo is.

How is everyone scoring this? Going along with the website? The offended owner is making a big stink about it.

Gees already people panicking, dude we all know muffed punts are fumbles, get over it.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I believe the NFL will score this as a muff and not a fumble. The Raven would not have been able to advance it had a player scoped it up on the run as opposed to a fumble, which can be advanced by the opponent.

I don't know how that this translates to your scoring system.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

MFL is scoring the Welker muffed punt as a fumble lost. Apparently ESPN is not scoring it as a fumble but Yahoo is.

How is everyone scoring this? Going along with the website? The offended owner is making a big stink about it.

Gees already people panicking, dude we all know muffed punts are fumbles, get over it.

Unless you don't score individual ST's points at all. Many leagues don't.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

Do they have separate categories for muffs? Because a muff is not quite the same as a fumble.

 

[Insein]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

Do they have separate categories for muffs? Because a muff is not quite the same as a fumble.

If it touches a player and is deemed a live ball, then it is by definition a fumble.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

Do they have separate categories for muffs? Because a muff is not quite the same as a fumble.

If it touches a player and is deemed a live ball, then it is by definition a fumble.

No it's not.

 

[Insein]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

Do they have separate categories for muffs? Because a muff is not quite the same as a fumble.

If it touches a player and is deemed a live ball, then it is by definition a fumble.

No it's not.

The only difference between a muff and a fumble is that a muff cannot be advanced. Change of possession occurs either way.

 

[GregR]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

Do they have separate categories for muffs? Because a muff is not quite the same as a fumble.

If it touches a player and is deemed a live ball, then it is by definition a fumble.

No it's not.

For fantasy purposes it is generally included as a fumble. Which on MFL it states in the definition for the fumble category.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

This was a big topic of offseason discussion in my league (yes, we need lives). We don't have individual return yards, so it doesn't make sense to penalize for individual fumbles. Kickoff and punt returns are part of the defense/special teams position.

We found that MFL has multiple different options for scoring fumbles lost, including "FUMBLES LOST ON OFFENSE." We now use that instead, and Welker was not charges with one last night.

Thinking about it now, I wonder if there is an option to add "FUMBLES LOST ON SPECIAL TEAMS" as an option for our defense/special teams units. Will have to check.

Yes, MFL gives you the ability to pretty much set it up however you want. You can have:

Fumbles

Fumbles on Offense

Fumbles on Special Teams

Fumbles on Defense

Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)

Fumbles Lost on Offense

Fumbles Lost on Special Teams

Fumbles Lost on Defense

So if it's giving it to individual players when a league doesn't give the player individual return yards, it's because they set it up that way to score for all fumbles, or for all fumbles lost.

Do they have separate categories for muffs? Because a muff is not quite the same as a fumble.

If it touches a player and is deemed a live ball, then it is by definition a fumble.

No it's not.

For fantasy purposes it is generally included as a fumble. Which on MFL it states in the definition for the fumble category.

Correct.

However, the definition of fumble is most definitely not, "if it touches a player and is deemed a live ball" (or anything close to that).