well I did it ..Took Bush with the 2:1 (1 Viewer)

[Longshot88]

just completted my Live Draft ( Owners I work with)

And I took Bush with the 2:1 pick there are roster limits or i would have had more RBs

this is my team ... All or nothing team if i have ever seen one

Start 1 qb , 2 rbs,3wr, 1te, one def, one kicker...waited a little too long to take a def, but i can live with that

4pt passing td..1pt 25yards passing..1pt 6pt tds..10yards rushing and rec... .5 pts per rec

Plummer (9:12)

Bledsoe (13:12)

McGahee (1:12)

R Bush (2:1)

C Benson (5:12) I know ..but i really like him

L maroney ( 7:12)

R Wayne (3:12)

C Chambers (4:1)

M jones (6:1)

T Williamson (10:1)

B Edwards (12:1)

G Jennings (18:1)

J Witten (8:1)

K Winslow (11:12)

J Reed ( 15:12)

N keading (17:12)

Miami Def (14:1)

Atlanta Def (16:1)

With roster limits it really changes the draft some who took all 4 rb early missed out on Value later....made some mistakes( should have taken a wr instead of witten could have taken Coles or A Bryant)

Not the best team in my stable...but it could have been worse....i dont have the time or the want too.. to list all teams.. but i would say it is probably 4th or 5th best

If anybody else has done this post your team and lets see what you got

 

[cscmtp]

if only this were a dynsaty. Nice job, other than those crappy QBs.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

You LIKE Cedric Benson ?



BTW, nice team,

Greg Jennings in the 18th is

unarmed robbery.

 

[cracKer]

i dont have the time or the want too.. to list all teams

darn.Great value with Bledsoe in the 13th. I've said this during drafts: If you want Reggie Bush on your team, you'd better take him with your #2 pick. The liklihood is very slim that he'll last to your #3 pick. Not really a reach IMO.

 

[Pots]

I can only ask you one question:

WHY DIDN'T YOU TRADE DOWN?

 

[gocats]

You LIKE Cedric Benson ?

 

[JimboJim]

Just finished an initial keep-three league draft today and picked Bush at 2.1 also. 14 teamer; start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1WR/TE , K, D... 0.5 PPR.

I know I jumped the gun on Maroney, but I figured having him and Bush would make for some attractive trade bait during the offseason.

All kept players are kept at a price of draft pick in the round they were last drafted,

Plummer (6.1)

Favre (12.1)

McGahee (1.14)

Bush (2.1)

Maroney (4.1)

De. Willaims (8.1)

Me. Moore (14.1)

Verron Hayes (18.1)

Walker (3.14)

Andre Johnson (5.14)

Mi. Clayton (7.14)

Jenkins (10.1)

Curtis (11.14)

Eric Parker (13.14)

H. Miller (9.14)

M. Lewis (17.14)

Stover (16.1)

Miami (15.14)

 

[Longshot88]

I can only ask you one question:WHY DIDN'T YOU TRADE DOWN?

Long story short...I have finished at least 3rd in this league for that last 7 years with 4 titles...Not much trading happens before the draft..and many owners are afraid to trade with me!!!best to just sit there and find value

 

[Longshot88]

You LIKE Cedric Benson ? BTW, nice team, Greg Jennings in the 18th isunarmed robbery.

Yes I like benson...ALOTMainly becase TJ Knows he is not nearly as talented as Benson.....if he was he would have shut his mouth and beat him out in camp....

 

[Kub]

I don't think taking Bush in the early 2nd is uncommon in recent days. It wouldn't surprise me if he started creeping up to the late first(9 - 12 range) between now and the beginning of the season.

 

[nortobc]

I can only ask you one question:WHY DIDN'T YOU TRADE DOWN?

Long story short...I have finished at least 3rd in this league for that last 7 years with 4 titles...Not much trading happens before the draft..and many owners are afraid to trade with me!!!best to just sit there and find value

Try moving to an IDP league and winning 4 titles. That will really test your fantasy football ability.

 

[Marc Levin]

just completted my Live Draft ( Owners I work with) And I took Bush with the 2:1 pick there are roster limits or i would have had more RBs this is my team ... All or nothing team if i have ever seen oneStart 1 qb , 2 rbs,3wr, 1te, one def, one kicker...waited a little too long to take a def, but i can live with that4pt passing td..1pt 25yards passing..1pt 6pt tds..10yards rushing and rec... .5 pts per recPlummer (9:12)Bledsoe (13:12) McGahee (1:12)R Bush (2:1) C Benson (5:12) I know ..but i really like himL maroney ( 7:12)R Wayne (3:12)C Chambers (4:1)M jones (6:1)T Williamson (10:1)B Edwards (12:1)G Jennings (18:1)J Witten (8:1)K Winslow (11:12)J Reed ( 15:12)N keading (17:12)Miami Def (14:1)Atlanta Def (16:1)With roster limits it really changes the draft some who took all 4 rb early missed out on Value later....made some mistakes( should have taken a wr instead of witten could have taken Coles or A Bryant) Not the best team in my stable...but it could have been worse....i dont have the time or the want too.. to list all teams.. but i would say it is probably 4th or 5th bestIf anybody else has done this post your team and lets see what you got

I sacrificed a stud WR (in a PPR, start-3 no less!) by taking Bush at 2.03 - also went heavy at RB b/c, even though it is a start-3 WRs PPR league, it also includes a flex RB/WR/TE spot. Most weeks, I have three RBs to put out there with great upside:1.10: Edge2.03: Bush3.10: JJones4.03: Reggie Wayne (great value!)5.10: Marion Barber (you'd have had to see the way folks were drafting RBs they liked, but who were not the starters, to know why I took him this high - plus, after passing on WRs in favor of Bush and JJones, I had to GUARANTEE that my third RB spot would not be an injury away from being non-existent)6.03: Todd Heap7.10: Issac Bruce8.03: Wilford9.10: Toomer10.03: Culpepper11.10: Trent Green12.03: Doug Gabriel13.10: Jerry Porter (no, I do NOT worry about bye weeks or drafting too many players from one team during my draft - it is a LONG season, and many of these things shake out LONG before the players hit their bye weeks).14.03: Dolphins D15.10: Jermaine Wiggins16.03: David Akers17.10: Brian Calhoun18.03: Pats D (love having my Ds facing the Jets and Bills four times this year).19.10: Joey Harrington (insurance for C-Pepp - can drop him after week two if need be)20.03: Arlen Harris (in a PPR, I'm guessing one of Calhoun or Harris will have decent value)IMO, the roster looks better when I write it out positionally - maybe not th egreatest roster, but one of the deepest rosters - tons of doubling up (both Dallas backs, Oakland's WR 2 and 3 - or Oakland's WR2 and some OTHER team's WR2 if Porter is traded, both Detroit b/u RBs, both Miami QBs). Positionally:QB: Culpepper, Green, HarringtonRB: Edge, Bush, JJones, MBarber, Calhoun, HarrisWR: Wayne, Bruce, Wilford, Toomer, Gabriel, PorterTE: Heap, WigginsK: AkersD: Miami, NE

 

[Kub]

just completted my Live Draft ( Owners I work with) And I took Bush with the 2:1 pick there are roster limits or i would have had more RBs this is my team ... All or nothing team if i have ever seen oneStart 1 qb , 2 rbs,3wr, 1te, one def, one kicker...waited a little too long to take a def, but i can live with that4pt passing td..1pt 25yards passing..1pt 6pt tds..10yards rushing and rec... .5 pts per recPlummer (9:12)Bledsoe (13:12) McGahee (1:12)R Bush (2:1) C Benson (5:12) I know ..but i really like himL maroney ( 7:12)R Wayne (3:12)C Chambers (4:1)M jones (6:1)T Williamson (10:1)B Edwards (12:1)G Jennings (18:1)J Witten (8:1)K Winslow (11:12)J Reed ( 15:12)N keading (17:12)Miami Def (14:1)Atlanta Def (16:1)With roster limits it really changes the draft some who took all 4 rb early missed out on Value later....made some mistakes( should have taken a wr instead of witten could have taken Coles or A Bryant) Not the best team in my stable...but it could have been worse....i dont have the time or the want too.. to list all teams.. but i would say it is probably 4th or 5th bestIf anybody else has done this post your team and lets see what you got

I sacrificed a stud WR (in a PPR, start-3 no less!) by taking Bush at 2.03 - also went heavy at RB b/c, even though it is a start-3 WRs PPR league, it also includes a flex RB/WR/TE spot. Most weeks, I have three RBs to put out there with great upside:1.10: Edge2.03: Bush3.10: JJones4.03: Reggie Wayne (great value!)5.10: Marion Barber (you'd have had to see the way folks were drafting RBs they liked, but who were not the starters, to know why I took him this high - plus, after passing on WRs in favor of Bush and JJones, I had to GUARANTEE that my third RB spot would not be an injury away from being non-existent)6.03: Todd Heap7.10: Issac Bruce8.03: Wilford9.10: Toomer10.03: Culpepper11.10: Trent Green12.03: Doug Gabriel13.10: Jerry Porter (no, I do NOT worry about bye weeks or drafting too many players from one team during my draft - it is a LONG season, and many of these things shake out LONG before the players hit their bye weeks).14.03: Dolphins D15.10: Jermaine Wiggins16.03: David Akers17.10: Brian Calhoun18.03: Pats D (love having my Ds facing the Jets and Bills four times this year).19.10: Joey Harrington (insurance for C-Pepp - can drop him after week two if need be)20.03: Arlen Harris (in a PPR, I'm guessing one of Calhoun or Harris will have decent value)IMO, the roster looks better when I write it out positionally - maybe not th egreatest roster, but one of the deepest rosters - tons of doubling up (both Dallas backs, Oakland's WR 2 and 3 - or Oakland's WR2 and some OTHER team's WR2 if Porter is traded, both Detroit b/u RBs, both Miami QBs). Positionally:QB: Culpepper, Green, HarringtonRB: Edge, Bush, JJones, MBarber, Calhoun, HarrisWR: Wayne, Bruce, Wilford, Toomer, Gabriel, PorterTE: Heap, WigginsK: AkersD: Miami, NE

I'm guessing by the look of your roster and where you were able to grab players that this is a VERY WR heavy league. I really like your team except for the WRs. I'd say it is usually a position you can afford to be weak and fill in with waiver pickups, but it seems as if any WR worth owning is probably on a roster. Assuming that the league is WR biased, I can't figure out how Reggie Wayne lasted until 4.03.

 

[Longshot88]

I can only ask you one question:WHY DIDN'T YOU TRADE DOWN?

Long story short...I have finished at least 3rd in this league for that last 7 years with 4 titles...Not much trading happens before the draft..and many owners are afraid to trade with me!!!best to just sit there and find value

Try moving to an IDP league and winning 4 titles. That will really test your fantasy football ability.

I am i a few IDP leagues and Have won ..not this consitantly though..also in a Zealot League as well but Have yet to win it all

 

[None_More_Black]

just completted my Live Draft ( Owners I work with) And I took Bush with the 2:1 pick there are roster limits or i would have had more RBs this is my team ... All or nothing team if i have ever seen oneStart 1 qb , 2 rbs,3wr, 1te, one def, one kicker...waited a little too long to take a def, but i can live with that4pt passing td..1pt 25yards passing..1pt 6pt tds..10yards rushing and rec... .5 pts per recPlummer (9:12)Bledsoe (13:12) McGahee (1:12)R Bush (2:1) C Benson (5:12) I know ..but i really like himL maroney ( 7:12)R Wayne (3:12)C Chambers (4:1)M jones (6:1)T Williamson (10:1)B Edwards (12:1)G Jennings (18:1)J Witten (8:1)K Winslow (11:12)J Reed ( 15:12)N keading (17:12)Miami Def (14:1)Atlanta Def (16:1)With roster limits it really changes the draft some who took all 4 rb early missed out on Value later....made some mistakes( should have taken a wr instead of witten could have taken Coles or A Bryant) Not the best team in my stable...but it could have been worse....i dont have the time or the want too.. to list all teams.. but i would say it is probably 4th or 5th bestIf anybody else has done this post your team and lets see what you got

I sacrificed a stud WR (in a PPR, start-3 no less!) by taking Bush at 2.03 - also went heavy at RB b/c, even though it is a start-3 WRs PPR league, it also includes a flex RB/WR/TE spot. Most weeks, I have three RBs to put out there with great upside:1.10: Edge2.03: Bush3.10: JJones4.03: Reggie Wayne (great value!)5.10: Marion Barber (you'd have had to see the way folks were drafting RBs they liked, but who were not the starters, to know why I took him this high - plus, after passing on WRs in favor of Bush and JJones, I had to GUARANTEE that my third RB spot would not be an injury away from being non-existent)6.03: Todd Heap7.10: Issac Bruce8.03: Wilford9.10: Toomer10.03: Culpepper11.10: Trent Green12.03: Doug Gabriel13.10: Jerry Porter (no, I do NOT worry about bye weeks or drafting too many players from one team during my draft - it is a LONG season, and many of these things shake out LONG before the players hit their bye weeks).14.03: Dolphins D15.10: Jermaine Wiggins16.03: David Akers17.10: Brian Calhoun18.03: Pats D (love having my Ds facing the Jets and Bills four times this year).19.10: Joey Harrington (insurance for C-Pepp - can drop him after week two if need be)20.03: Arlen Harris (in a PPR, I'm guessing one of Calhoun or Harris will have decent value)IMO, the roster looks better when I write it out positionally - maybe not th egreatest roster, but one of the deepest rosters - tons of doubling up (both Dallas backs, Oakland's WR 2 and 3 - or Oakland's WR2 and some OTHER team's WR2 if Porter is traded, both Detroit b/u RBs, both Miami QBs). Positionally:QB: Culpepper, Green, HarringtonRB: Edge, Bush, JJones, MBarber, Calhoun, HarrisWR: Wayne, Bruce, Wilford, Toomer, Gabriel, PorterTE: Heap, WigginsK: AkersD: Miami, NE

Why take JJ in the third in ppr when marion barber probably will have the same amount of points since he will be playing on 3rd down. (at least) In a start 3 wr seems like wr was the choice here especially since you got wayne in the fourth. Must have been somebody decent here.

 

[Marc Levin]

QB: Culpepper, Green, HarringtonRB: Edge, Bush, JJones, MBarber, Calhoun, HarrisWR: Wayne, Bruce, Wilford, Toomer, Gabriel, PorterTE: Heap, WigginsK: AkersD: Miami, NE

I'm guessing by the look of your roster and where you were able to grab players that this is a VERY WR heavy league. I really like your team except for the WRs. I'd say it is usually a position you can afford to be weak and fill in with waiver pickups, but it seems as if any WR worth owning is probably on a roster. Assuming that the league is WR biased, I can't figure out how Reggie Wayne lasted until 4.03.

It went all RBs in round one, the guy at the turn took SS and Rudi. The rest of the top-8 WRs went in a run through round two that started immediately after I took Bush.I then had a decision at my 3/4 turn - take two WRs I ranked top-12, or take a third RB for the flex spot. Going RB-WR at the 3/4 turn instead of WR-WR put me behind the 8-ball at WR - it was a risk. I figured being back at WR was inevitable when I took Bush instead of a top-8 WR, so I needed to press an obvious advantage at the flex spot by playing a starting caliber RB every week except each RBs' bye week. When I took Jones, I was prepared to pay a high price to handcuff Barber - thuis forcing me to AGAIN pass on WR value. With all that against me at WR, I think I did a very good job of finding WR value in the late middle rounds and I think I collected a serviceable WR crew.An INSANE WR run happened after I took Wayne and before my 5.10 pick, which was where I took Barber. Others had already selected DeAngelo Williams, Cedrick Benson, Joseph Addai, LenDale White, Frank Gore, and TBell (after the MBell bust out). I was confident he would not last to 7.10, I was relatively certain the 5.11 and 5.12 guys were going for at least one RB, and had a reasonable fear that Barber would not even make it to my 6.03 pick (I figured one might grab him merely to keep him from me, and they each ended up taking a RB (FredT and Dom Rhodes).Wayne lasted to the 4th b/c all the guys who took top-8 WRs in the second had to take RBs in the third - the funny thing is that the guys at #11 and #12 both took WRs (11 took DJax just before I took Wayne, and 12 doubled up at WRs with DDRiver and RWilliams).I think my saving grace picks will have to be the C-Pepp/Green combo. Even a 20% drop in Green's productivity is a great backup. And if C-Pepp returns to C-Pepp form by October, I could be on a tear heading into the playoffs.

 

[Marc Levin]

Why take JJ in the third in ppr when marion barber probably will have the same amount of points since he will be playing on 3rd down. (at least) In a start 3 wr seems like wr was the choice here especially since you got wayne in the fourth. Must have been somebody decent here.

It's a solid question, which I answered above. Wayne would have been my pick at 3.10, too, and, based on thge picks after me, I may have had my choice of Dom Davis or Hines Ward at 4.03.I think you missed that we have a flex RB/WR/TE spot in addition to start-3. I explain my thinking above on that score - I am the only team that knows heading into the season that I can start three RBs every week who will head into the season as starting caliber fantasy backs.

 

[Bristol]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

 

[None_More_Black]

Why take JJ in the third in ppr when marion barber probably will have the same amount of points since he will be playing on 3rd down. (at least) In a start 3 wr seems like wr was the choice here especially since you got wayne in the fourth. Must have been somebody decent here.

It's a solid question, which I answered above. Wayne would have been my pick at 3.10, too, and, based on thge picks after me, I may have had my choice of Dom Davis or Hines Ward at 4.03.I think you missed that we have a flex RB/WR/TE spot in addition to start-3. I explain my thinking above on that score - I am the only team that knows heading into the season that I can start three RBs every week who will head into the season as starting caliber fantasy backs.

Yes missed the flex. I think one of JJ and Marion should have dd tds. Which one who knows. If you are high on c-pep I would have thought long and hard about chambers here after his big uptick in receptions last year with decent qb play.

 

[suchislife]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

In my 12 team league, he's currently ranked 10th overall according to my VBD.

 

[twistd]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

I don't like MacGahee in the first. I don't trust the Bills at all. I agree that I think the top of 2 may be a little high. I'm looking at Kevin Jones or Bush at 2.7.

 

[11B]

I hate to say it but I don't really like the look of this team & 2.1 for Bush is WAY to early. I'm not sold on your rb's, like your top 2 wr's a lot, other's are ok, qb's are kind of weak, good te's, k's, & dt's.

 

[GiantsRule]

Took Bush at 2.6 in my local 10-man league. I knew he wouldn't get back to me at 3.5 so I went for it. Amazingly enough, the rest of my league must have bought into the Bush hype because I was able to steel Deuce McAllister in the 8th round!

I'm actually going to give Bush the start in Week 1. What the hay!

 

[Marc Levin]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

Makes zero sense. With Reggie Bush, if he is worth 2.11, he is EQUALLY worth 2.01. If you are at 2.01 and want Bush, you MUST take him there. Therefore, the ONLY thought is Bush at 2.01 or a top3 WR at 2.01.BTW, not just Bush - sub your favorite 2nd round RB. Say you are a Willis McGahee-o-phile. McGahee at 2.01 is just as much sense as any other spot in the second.That any particular owner's ranking of a player differs from yours does NOT mean that 2.01 is too high for Bush - Bush is my RB12. At 2.02, if the first 13 picks went all RB and one WR, I take Bush (or whoever is left between Holt and SS, who are my WRs 1 and 2).If I am at the turn and the first 11 picks were all RBs, I take Bush at 1.12 and my RB13 (Kevin Jones) or my WR1 (SS) - in this scenario, Bush and SS.

 

[Marc Levin]

If you are high on c-pep I would have thought long and hard about chambers here after his big uptick in receptions last year with decent qb play.

I'm not, actually, but at 10.03, as my QB1, I am VERY confident he will far exceed his draft spot. And I might as well hope he plays the Pepp of old b/c I would have stolen a potential top-5 QB.It's not worth discussing as Chambers went at 3.07 in this draft.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

In my 12 team league, he's currently ranked 10th overall according to my VBD.

whose projections?inordinately high projections are obviously going to produce inordinately high VBD numbers.

 

[Bristol]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

Makes zero sense. With Reggie Bush, if he is worth 2.11, he is EQUALLY worth 2.01. If you are at 2.01 and want Bush, you MUST take him there. Therefore, the ONLY thought is Bush at 2.01 or a top3 WR at 2.01.BTW, not just Bush - sub your favorite 2nd round RB. Say you are a Willis McGahee-o-phile. McGahee at 2.01 is just as much sense as any other spot in the second.That any particular owner's ranking of a player differs from yours does NOT mean that 2.01 is too high for Bush - Bush is my RB12. At 2.02, if the first 13 picks went all RB and one WR, I take Bush (or whoever is left between Holt and SS, who are my WRs 1 and 2).If I am at the turn and the first 11 picks were all RBs, I take Bush at 1.12 and my RB13 (Kevin Jones) or my WR1 (SS) - in this scenario, Bush and SS.

Keep riding the hype machine. I don't plan on taking him at all. Like I said before, if I were to take him, it would be late second early third. If someone wants to take him before then, no sweat off my back.No one had him ranked that high going into last weekend. Why does one game make everyone chnage their minds? Perfect example of the hype machine running out of control. Bush will ruin most fantasy drafts this year because people are taking him too high. Sure Bush will see his time on the field, but last time I checked, Mcallister is still around too. I think most of you are fogetting that fact.

 

[Bristol]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

Makes zero sense. With Reggie Bush, if he is worth 2.11, he is EQUALLY worth 2.01. If you are at 2.01 and want Bush, you MUST take him there. Therefore, the ONLY thought is Bush at 2.01 or a top3 WR at 2.01.BTW, not just Bush - sub your favorite 2nd round RB. Say you are a Willis McGahee-o-phile. McGahee at 2.01 is just as much sense as any other spot in the second.That any particular owner's ranking of a player differs from yours does NOT mean that 2.01 is too high for Bush - Bush is my RB12. At 2.02, if the first 13 picks went all RB and one WR, I take Bush (or whoever is left between Holt and SS, who are my WRs 1 and 2).If I am at the turn and the first 11 picks were all RBs, I take Bush at 1.12 and my RB13 (Kevin Jones) or my WR1 (SS) - in this scenario, Bush and SS.

One more thing, take a look at the roster he finished with. That is wat you get by taking Bush at 2:1. Would you be happy with that as your team? I wouldn't.

 

[Marc Levin]

Took Bush at 2.6 in my local 10-man league. I knew he wouldn't get back to me at 3.5 so I went for it. Amazingly enough, the rest of my league must have bought into the Bush hype because I was able to steel Deuce McAllister in the 8th round!

I took Bush at 2.03. Someone took Deuce at 6.09 as the RB38. I actually passed on Deuce at 5.10 in favor of Barber, though I strongly considered taking him.I think spending such a high pick on Bush was an all or nothing gamble on my part anyway, so handcuffing Jones with Barber at the 5.10 made more sense to me than handcuffing Decue to Bush - since i took him that high, I am obviously predicting that Deuce will not do much this year - and will hold less value than Barber subbing for Jones if Jones is hurt yet again (and I feel Jones/Barber play in a much more RB friendly system).

 

[Bristol]

Took Bush at 2.6 in my local 10-man league. I knew he wouldn't get back to me at 3.5 so I went for it. Amazingly enough, the rest of my league must have bought into the Bush hype because I was able to steel Deuce McAllister in the 8th round!

I took Bush at 2.03. Someone took Deuce at 6.09 as the RB38. I actually passed on Deuce at 5.10 in favor of Barber, though I strongly considered taking him.I think spending such a high pick on Bush was an all or nothing gamble on my part anyway, so handcuffing Jones with Barber at the 5.10 made more sense to me than handcuffing Decue to Bush - since i took him that high, I am obviously predicting that Deuce will not do much this year - and will hold less value than Barber subbing for Jones if Jones is hurt yet again (and I feel Jones/Barber play in a much more RB friendly system).

Please share your roster so we can see how the rest of your draft went. I am curious to see if it resembles the original posters draft.

 

[None_More_Black]

If you are high on c-pep I would have thought long and hard about chambers here after his big uptick in receptions last year with decent qb play.

I'm not, actually, but at 10.03, as my QB1, I am VERY confident he will far exceed his draft spot. And I might as well hope he plays the Pepp of old b/c I would have stolen a potential top-5 QB.It's not worth discussing as Chambers went at 3.07 in this draft.

Well I think you stole Heap Wayne and C-pep so you should be fine even if Bush is not the second coming. (although I am surprised by the # of rbs taken so early in a year of uncertainty. I understand the value of a good rb3 in flex but christ, especially ppr)

 

[suchislife]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

In my 12 team league, he's currently ranked 10th overall according to my VBD.

whose projections?inordinately high projections are obviously going to produce inordinately high VBD numbers.

Per projections included in 06app_M1.xls.Reggie Bush - 1008 RuYds 5 RuTD 495 ReYd 3 ReTD 2 fumblesGood for 194 fpts tied with another RB for RB10 in my scoring format.

 

[GiantsRule]

Took Bush at 2.6 in my local 10-man league. I knew he wouldn't get back to me at 3.5 so I went for it. Amazingly enough, the rest of my league must have bought into the Bush hype because I was able to steel Deuce McAllister in the 8th round!

I took Bush at 2.03. Someone took Deuce at 6.09 as the RB38. I actually passed on Deuce at 5.10 in favor of Barber, though I strongly considered taking him.I think spending such a high pick on Bush was an all or nothing gamble on my part anyway, so handcuffing Jones with Barber at the 5.10 made more sense to me than handcuffing Decue to Bush - since i took him that high, I am obviously predicting that Deuce will not do much this year - and will hold less value than Barber subbing for Jones if Jones is hurt yet again (and I feel Jones/Barber play in a much more RB friendly system).

Please share your roster so we can see how the rest of your draft went. I am curious to see if it resembles the original posters draft.

10-man, 22-round draft. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR/TE, 1 K, 1 DT/ST, and 1 wild card (any position player). Note: The wild card changes a lot of the draft strategy, particularly since all TDs are 6 points.1.5 - Edgerrin James (had I paid attention to Chris Perry's injury, I would have taken Rudi. I won't make that mistake in my next live draft next weekend)2.6 - Reggie Bush3.5 - Steve Smith4.6 - Jake Delhomme (just missed out on Culpepper 2 picks earlier!)5.5 - Kevin Jones6.6 - Brett Favre7.5 - Derrick Mason8.6 - Deuce McAllister9.5 - Chris Brown10.6 - Lee Evans11.5 - Billy Volek12.6 - Seattle D13.5 - Matt Jones14.6 - Troy Williamson15.5 - Greg Jones16.6 - Josh Brown17.5 - Brian Griese18.6 - Heath Miller19.5 - Mark Clayton20.6 - Ryan Moats21.5 - Matt Stover22.6 - Green Bay D

 

[RKMoney]

I really commend people who aren't sheep and go by what they believe is the best way to dominate their league. Good job on drafting him first pick in the second round guy! Remember, many "experts" are anything but "experts", they give their opinions, many of the times it's wrong.

 

[GiantsRule]

I really commend people who aren't sheep and go by what they believe is the best way to dominate their league. Good job on drafting him first pick in the second round guy! Remember, many "experts" are anything but "experts", they give their opinions, many of the times it's wrong.

I agree. Draft who you like not what the "experts" or "fantasy mags" tell you too.

 

[None_More_Black]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

 

[RKMoney]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

 

[BoulderBob]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

Time will tell...

 

[RKMoney]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

Time will tell...

If I had listened to the "experts" in the past over how I felt, I would have done the following:1. Drafted Barlow in first/early second round2. Drafted Kevin Jones early3. Bypassed LJ earlier than normal in drafts4. Bypassed drafting a WR with one of my first two draft picks because RB/RB was the ONLY way to win (wasn't long ago when most "experts" said this was THE way to win).

 

[T Man]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

Depends on the crowd and depends on the 1 person

 

[None_More_Black]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

Time will tell...

If I had listened to the "experts" in the past over how I felt, I would have done the following:1. Drafted Barlow in first/early second round2. Drafted Kevin Jones early3. Bypassed LJ earlier than normal in drafts4. Bypassed drafting a WR with one of my first two draft picks because RB/RB was the ONLY way to win (wasn't long ago when most "experts" said this was THE way to win).

Funny you mention the first two because I bring them both up in my dodds bush #10 thread. (although the title of my post has been edited by someone). I think it can be very good to be a contrarian. (Guy in my league who is a complete contrarian who has three championships in 10 years but has lots of last places) Howeve,r I am just making a simple point that like the stock market, more heads are better then one when making a guess on someone's or something's prospects. You want to get as close to perfect information as you can and generally one person can not do this.

 

[RKMoney]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

Time will tell...

If I had listened to the "experts" in the past over how I felt, I would have done the following:1. Drafted Barlow in first/early second round

2. Drafted Kevin Jones early

3. Bypassed LJ earlier than normal in drafts

4. Bypassed drafting a WR with one of my first two draft picks because RB/RB was the ONLY way to win (wasn't long ago when most "experts" said this was THE way to win).

Funny you mention the first two because I bring them both up in my dodds bush #10 thread. I think it can be very good to be a contrarian. (Guy in my league who is a complete contrarian who has three championships in 10 years but has lots of last places) Howeve,r I am just making a simple point that like the stock market, more heads are better then one when making a guess on someone's or something's prospects. You want to get as close to perfect information as you can and generally one person can not do this.

Please explain what "perfect information" means to me.Again, I think someone should be commended if they take Bush high in their draft and not run with the flock like 99.9999% of the other fantasy managers out there. Unlike most, I see NO problem with someone taking Bush at that spot. If wrong, so what, you can say the same thing with many other players who will be drafted at that spot by many other managers in many leagues.

Finally, the point of a fantasy football site is to share and learn from one another but what ends up happening is if someone thinks outside the box they are ripped and laughed at. Ironic, isn't it?

 

[Longshot88]

just completted my Live Draft ( Owners I work with) And I took Bush with the 2:1 pick there are roster limits or i would have had more RBs this is my team ... All or nothing team if i have ever seen oneStart 1 qb , 2 rbs,3wr, 1te, one def, one kicker...waited a little too long to take a def, but i can live with that4pt passing td..1pt 25yards passing..1pt 6pt tds..10yards rushing and rec... .5 pts per recPlummer (9:12)Bledsoe (13:12) McGahee (1:12)R Bush (2:1) C Benson (5:12) I know ..but i really like himL maroney ( 7:12)R Wayne (3:12)C Chambers (4:1)M jones (6:1)T Williamson (10:1)B Edwards (12:1)G Jennings (18:1)J Witten (8:1)K Winslow (11:12)J Reed ( 15:12)N keading (17:12)Miami Def (14:1)Atlanta Def (16:1)With roster limits it really changes the draft some who took all 4 rb early missed out on Value later....made some mistakes( should have taken a wr instead of witten could have taken Coles or A Bryant) Not the best team in my stable...but it could have been worse....i dont have the time or the want too.. to list all teams.. but i would say it is probably 4th or 5th bestIf anybody else has done this post your team and lets see what you got

Just a little more info....for One this Is my 12 draft this season...Most of the others were Dynastys or keepers....and this is the Only Team I have Bush.....I had the 4th draft spot in one league..the other 11 leagues i had the 8th spot or worse.....so I have been drafting from behind ALOT.....and in every one I let somebody else take bush early Do I think this team is a winner???I dont Know, But this is IMO my Best chance to win...Every RB on the team is a Big Question..But In everyone there is also IMO a greater Upside than any other around there ADP... I could Be wrong and finish out of the Money for the first time ever in this League. But I would rather go down Fighting with Bush's Upside...than play it safe ( by the way this league was were I started, Myfirst fantasy league. finshed 3rd that first year..Drafted Steve Young with my first ever fantasy pick..and he was out for the year after the 2nd week..thats when I pick up a unknow Kurt warner and Steven Davis)

 

[renesauz]

Bush went as the seventh pick in my $$ league draft tonight!!

 

[None_More_Black]

I would rather look at the consensus of 100 people's rankings then 1 person's. The crowd is scarily accurate.

Time will tell...

If I had listened to the "experts" in the past over how I felt, I would have done the following:1. Drafted Barlow in first/early second round

2. Drafted Kevin Jones early

3. Bypassed LJ earlier than normal in drafts

4. Bypassed drafting a WR with one of my first two draft picks because RB/RB was the ONLY way to win (wasn't long ago when most "experts" said this was THE way to win).

Funny you mention the first two because I bring them both up in my dodds bush #10 thread. I think it can be very good to be a contrarian. (Guy in my league who is a complete contrarian who has three championships in 10 years but has lots of last places) Howeve,r I am just making a simple point that like the stock market, more heads are better then one when making a guess on someone's or something's prospects. You want to get as close to perfect information as you can and generally one person can not do this.

Please explain what "perfect information" means to me.Again, I think someone should be commended if they take Bush high in their draft and not run with the flock like 99.9999% of the other fantasy managers out there. Unlike most, I see NO problem with someone taking Bush at that spot. If wrong, so what, you can say the same thing with many other players who will be drafted at that spot by many other managers in many leagues.

Finally, the point of a fantasy football site is to share and learn from one another but what ends up happening is if someone thinks outside the box they are ripped and laughed at. Ironic, isn't it?

I agree with you for the most part. I was very critical of Dodd's ranking of Bush but if all 15+ footballguys had him in the top five I would have been less so. Perfect information is simply a term describing knowing everything about a certain thing or situation. For example, you might like Bush, but someone will point out something like his playoff schedule sucks or the coach made some comment about his workload. ( I majored in economics so we like to use silly terms like this) The internet has made it easier for one person to get this agreed, but if 1000 people like bush and you don't like him you should maybe think twice. I remember getting mcgahee at #10 last year and thought I got a steal. Turns out my very experienced league members got it right. As someone pointed out it depends on the crowd, but my thesis is thousands of opinions are better then one expert even if it's you. (unless of course you have perfect information)

 

[Organized Chaos]

I took him at 2.02 tonight... We have an uncommon draft where each odd round is random, followed by a serpentine round.

12 team league

1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D, 1 Flex

Brooks, Aaron OAK QB - 3 13.10 Rivers, Philip SDC QB - 3 15.03 Vick, Michael ATL QB - 5 11.09 Bush, Reggie NOS RB - 7 2.02 Gore, Frank SFO RB - 7 5.09 Houston, Cedric NYJ RB - 9 12.04 Jones, Greg JAC RB - 6 9.12 Jones, Kevin DET RB - 8 1.11 Morency, Vernand HOU RB - 5 17.02Bryant, Antonio SFO WR - 7 8.01 Jones, Matt JAC WR - 6 7.12 Moss, Randy OAK WR - 3 4.05Gates, Antonio SDC TE - 3 3.08 Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE - 3 6.04 Broncos, Denver DEN TMPK - 4 14.03 Dolphins, Miami MIA Def - 8 10.01 Patriots, New England NEP Def - 6 16.10 17 Total Players I love my draft... I am swinging for the fences with my RB's though...

 

[Marc Levin]

Took Bush at 2.6 in my local 10-man league. I knew he wouldn't get back to me at 3.5 so I went for it. Amazingly enough, the rest of my league must have bought into the Bush hype because I was able to steel Deuce McAllister in the 8th round!

I took Bush at 2.03. Someone took Deuce at 6.09 as the RB38. I actually passed on Deuce at 5.10 in favor of Barber, though I strongly considered taking him.I think spending such a high pick on Bush was an all or nothing gamble on my part anyway, so handcuffing Jones with Barber at the 5.10 made more sense to me than handcuffing Decue to Bush - since i took him that high, I am obviously predicting that Deuce will not do much this year - and will hold less value than Barber subbing for Jones if Jones is hurt yet again (and I feel Jones/Barber play in a much more RB friendly system).

Please share your roster so we can see how the rest of your draft went. I am curious to see if it resembles the original posters draft.

Post #12 of this thread.The rules were standard performance plus PPR, 4/pass TD, lineup is 1/2/3/1/1/1 plus a RB/WR/TE flex.

I am not believing the hype - as of two years ago, I recognized (or I believed then and believe now) that Bush's talent level was a "once every five years" kinda talent level - his last year in college did nothing to diminish that opinion. I see his talent level as being on par with Marshal Faulk/Barry Sanders/LT/Gale Sayers type of talent - ie, a once every five years kind of talent - naturally gifted in unique ways that are not present in "run of the mill" top-5 drafted RBs.

It's not the "hype machine" I believe - I refer you to my multiple posts in two threads to find out my thoughts - I lack the energy to reproduce them here for a third time:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...59322&st=50

Post #66 forward

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...152&hl=bush

post 9 forward

 

[Marc Levin]

I think 2:1 is a bit of a reach. I can see later in the second, but not at the turn. Hope it works out for you.

Makes zero sense. With Reggie Bush, if he is worth 2.11, he is EQUALLY worth 2.01. If you are at 2.01 and want Bush, you MUST take him there. Therefore, the ONLY thought is Bush at 2.01 or a top3 WR at 2.01.BTW, not just Bush - sub your favorite 2nd round RB. Say you are a Willis McGahee-o-phile. McGahee at 2.01 is just as much sense as any other spot in the second.That any particular owner's ranking of a player differs from yours does NOT mean that 2.01 is too high for Bush - Bush is my RB12. At 2.02, if the first 13 picks went all RB and one WR, I take Bush (or whoever is left between Holt and SS, who are my WRs 1 and 2).If I am at the turn and the first 11 picks were all RBs, I take Bush at 1.12 and my RB13 (Kevin Jones) or my WR1 (SS) - in this scenario, Bush and SS.

One more thing, take a look at the roster he finished with. That is wat you get by taking Bush at 2:1. Would you be happy with that as your team? I wouldn't.

Like I mentioned subsequent to post 12, I like the potential of my team and I feel like I will be "ok" with my starting 3 WRs, though generally perform below everyone else - but I can be exceptional any week at QB, RB, TE, and I have sufficient backups and depth that less than catastrophic injury won't kill my chances.

 

[Marc Levin]

Per projections included in 06app_M1.xls.

You said "my" VBD, so I assumed it was your own app and not ours.You are using David Dodds' projections. BTW, we recommend you look at our projections for at LEAST the players we have ranked as starters for your league and make sure you agree with our outlook - doesn't really take too long to tweak, though you have to tweak each time you download a new version (which always include Dodds' updated projection numbers).

 

[Marc Levin]

Like I said before, if I were to take him, it would be late second early third. If someone wants to take him before then, no sweat off my back.No one had him ranked that high going into last weekend.

That is incorrect. Many on our staff (myself included) had ranked him in the top-24 overall, with ranges as high as top-18 (2.06, I believe) Once folks saw him do exactly what he was doing to college defenders against NFL defenders, EVERYone was on the band wagon.It will ebb back down for most people if Deuce runs well tomorrow night.It will never ebb back down for me. I have wanted him on my 2006 fantasy team since before the 2005 NCAAF season.