Sir Psycho
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Any homer with update ?
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BigGreenMachine
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You have a better chance of trying to decipher the meaning of Stonehenge then getting an accurate injury update out of the Patriots. Good luck in your search...
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I expect Welker to play Week 1. He was in uniform and was fielding punt returns in warm ups prior to the Giants game in the 4th preseason game.
trader jake
Footballguy
I don't think the Hoodie would have cut Greg Lewis if he was concerned about Wes Welker heading into week 1.
There were some stories mid last week that said that Welker would TRY and be ready for Week #1.
Honestly though I think there is reason for worry. Welker is a player who relies a lot on his quickness so if he has some type of leg injury(hamstring?) then it could be the type of injury that lingers. Perhaps he plays but plays at less than 100% and that would really limit his effectiveness. We might get a better idea of the nature of the injury with the injury report tomorrow.
Obviously we aren't likely going to get anything definitive out of NE before game day though. My main draft is tomorrow night and I am thinking about dropping Welker slightly given the circumstances. I remember how what look like slight injuries to other NE players in the past few years have ended up being something more significant that kept the player out most of the year(Maroney)
Honestly though I think there is reason for worry. Welker is a player who relies a lot on his quickness so if he has some type of leg injury(hamstring?) then it could be the type of injury that lingers. Perhaps he plays but plays at less than 100% and that would really limit his effectiveness. We might get a better idea of the nature of the injury with the injury report tomorrow.
Obviously we aren't likely going to get anything definitive out of NE before game day though. My main draft is tomorrow night and I am thinking about dropping Welker slightly given the circumstances. I remember how what look like slight injuries to other NE players in the past few years have ended up being something more significant that kept the player out most of the year(Maroney)
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
Welker is officially listed as probable (shoulder) for weeks 1 - 17
I think he'll be a Questionable for Week 1 come Friday. The really question is whether he practices at all tomorrow. As far as I know, and I've searched for stories, he hasn't practiced for a few weeks.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
he looked good the second preseason game. the one before moss got his turn to look good.
ive got him in my line-ups several teams. i can always replace him if I have to. I am with Yudkin and trader jake on this one. I wouldnt worry much unless u have to later in week. its way to early to worry about sundays games anyway.
NFL needs to take a stand about this injury zip crap though. Too many NE coaches branching out now where if they dont start hammeringt down PENALTYS we fantasy studs are gonna be screwed every week. Cant get anything from Denver, KC, Cleveland and NE. Even TO in Buffulo stayed zipped on the coridanator and EVANS, EDWARDS got the blame. haha Yeah right
ive got him in my line-ups several teams. i can always replace him if I have to. I am with Yudkin and trader jake on this one. I wouldnt worry much unless u have to later in week. its way to early to worry about sundays games anyway.
NFL needs to take a stand about this injury zip crap though. Too many NE coaches branching out now where if they dont start hammeringt down PENALTYS we fantasy studs are gonna be screwed every week. Cant get anything from Denver, KC, Cleveland and NE. Even TO in Buffulo stayed zipped on the coridanator and EVANS, EDWARDS got the blame. haha Yeah right
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I opened this thread hoping you'd have a response here. Thanks. Would they play Welker if he wasn't able to take his expected workload, or does his availability mean we can expect his normal production?
The Patriots are capable of anything. Maroney often played in a limited fashion the past two years when he was hampered by injuries. I think just having Welker on the field even if it is mostly as a decoy would help open other things up.Of course Welker could be 100% fine. Or he could miss a few weeks. With NE you never know. Their injury reports are of little help except at least they tell you if a player practiced at all. I imagine Welker will be listed as having taken limited practice reps in the first report. But at least it should vaguely indicate the nature of the injury.The other thing that concerns me about this injury(whatever it is) is that it appears he tried to return from it once but suffered some sort of setback in the 2nd exhibition game. He missed the first game with an undisclosed injury and some practices the 2nd week of preseason. He returned to practice and made one catch in the 2nd preseason game and then he has been shutdown since.
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David Yudkin
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The Welker situation is very similar to that of Randy Moss two years ago, when Moss was said to have been hurt and missing a ton of time in the preseason and the last couple preseason games, etc. Moss came out Week One not missing a beat and all the talk of his injury went away. I suspect that is the situation with Welker, as he is not wearing any wraps, bandages, etc. and shows no signs of an injury. As mentioned earlier, he was in uniform the other night against the Giants and inwarm ups was running around practicing punt returns.
The Pats will be forced to show their hand when they have to start filing injury reports this week, so we should learn more about whether he's been practicing, what ails him, and his designation for this week's game (Out/Doubtful/Questionable/Probable).
I still think Welker suits up and plays without limitations and his usage would be the same as usual.
In his 4 starts as a Pat vs BUF . . .
10-107-0 (no Brady)
2-26-0 (no Brady)
6-69-0
7-78-0
The Pats will be forced to show their hand when they have to start filing injury reports this week, so we should learn more about whether he's been practicing, what ails him, and his designation for this week's game (Out/Doubtful/Questionable/Probable).
I still think Welker suits up and plays without limitations and his usage would be the same as usual.
In his 4 starts as a Pat vs BUF . . .
10-107-0 (no Brady)
2-26-0 (no Brady)
6-69-0
7-78-0
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Since we don't get pts for return yds in my league, I was really hoping they'd hand punt return duties to Edelman.....still hope they do
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I believe the returners to start the season will be Edelman as PR and Maroney as KR. Depending how things go will determine if they stay as such.
conan2
Footballguy
Another homer here who was at the Giants game. I watched Welker throughout the entire pre-game warm up and he did more than just field punts. He participated fully in all drills, including route-running and catching drills. I could see no hesitation or tentativeness, but these were just warm-ups, so not really full speed. He did look fine and I did not see any training staff paying any attention to him at all. I have no doubt that he will be 100% for Monday night.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Did anyone see the Sportscenter NFL special last night? In the course of some discussion, Michael Smith matter-of-factly made a comment about Welker being totally healthy. (It was IIRC in response to a general Patriots discussion, not Welker-specific.) And I believe Smith is Boston-based.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Good info guys 
Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
I went wr/wr/wr from the 7th spot because I really believe in Welker with Brady back. ( also b/c I thought he was the player on the board at 3:07 and it's a PPR ) AJ and Wayne were my other 2 picks. I am really counting on Welker to perform like he is capable of. Great news about his inury. He should br good for atleast 8 rec and 80 yds each week and about 8-10 tds. ( hopefully ), But that's my prediction. 110/1200/10
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Welker spotted at practice today. I believe today is the first day of official injury reports, so look for that later as well.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Thanks DY...got my fingers crossed
ElvisLives
Footballguy
Any practice updates on ol Welker? Im scared. Hold me
David Yudkin
Footballguy
No injury reports were filed for the Monday Night teams, so I'm guessing they get an extra day to report to the league.
Welker could be dead or in prime form and still be listed as questionable in the BB injury report. In my opinion, this is an impossible question to answer.
The injury report means nothing in New England. If a player sneezes during the week, he's listed as questionable on the injury report. If I remember
correctly, Brady was listed on the injury report two years ago as questionable for almost the entire season and started every game.
correctly, Brady was listed on the injury report two years ago as questionable for almost the entire season and started every game.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IIRC, the probable shoulder injury reporting went on for four or five years.If Welker is not even on the injury report, he's going to play. But let's see what they classify him as for Week 1.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Deciphering what NE injuries are is not rocket science and I have been translating what they have done for several years now. Clearly the Pats themselves aren't going to say anything with any relevance, so don't bother looking to what they say as evidence of anything.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
OK, we at least learned something today. Welker was officially listed as Limited Participation in Practice (Knee) in the first injury of the week for the Pats this week.
I'm still hearing he should play Monday, but that's still a few days away. I realize people will have few options if they have to wait until Monday. Will follow up with info as I hear it.
I'm still hearing he should play Monday, but that's still a few days away. I realize people will have few options if they have to wait until Monday. Will follow up with info as I hear it.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Ugh.
I agree that New England doesn't leave people off the injury list that are actually hurt because then the NFL could come down on them for not reporting aninjury. Instead they muddy the water by listing players on the list that are not as "injured" as the report says in order to not give information to the opposingteam. I'm not saying they are the only ones that do that, but they do it often.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Knee, huh? Well, I'm guessing that could be a cue that Edelman will be returning punts. If Welker doesn't go on MNF, you're right...not many of us will have other options (at least palatable ones)
Doug B
Footballguy
Slight change of subject -- what did that even accomplish for Belichik? Why didn't he list Brady as doubtful with a shoulder every week?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
According to lore, the Brady Probable thing was BB giving the league the middle finger for an intrusion in his bitness. Dude's a gansta.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Because there are actual rules on this sort of think. IIRC, probably = 75% chance to play, questionable = 50% chance to play, doubtful = 25% chance to play. I believe the league monitors how much the players play at the injury levels they are listed at and teams have to be close overall across a long time frame. I believe teams will be nudged to be accurate, but I am not sure what the penalty would be if a team were way off.
StackTheLine
Footballguy
I don't think the Hoodie would have cut Greg Lewis if he was concerned about Wes Welker heading into week 1.
Why? They still have 5 wideouts on their roster and they use their TE's quite a bit. A lot of teams only carry 4 Wideouts. Also Faulk could be used as a wideout in a pinch if they want to go 5 wide.At least we now know it is a knee injury. I suspect he'll play but that doesn't mean he'll be 100% and they may use Galloway more than they would if Welker were completely healthy.StackTheLine said:I don't think the Hoodie would have cut Greg Lewis if he was concerned about Wes Welker heading into week 1.
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Doug B
Footballguy
OK ... but what did feigning a Brady shouder injury accomplish? How did Belichik think his team benefitted? Did he really think every opponent was prepping for Brady's backup somehow? Maybe the first few times, but for years?
Whizzinator
Footballguy
Cenobite
Footballguy
Who the heck knows? If anyone knew anything further, it would have been posted.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I asked for a Friday afternoon practice best guess estimate: Welker 85% chance to play on MNF.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
You asked who?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
"10% more probable than Probable"
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Imnportant people that know things.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Any other options ?
MCguidance
Footballguy
In general, it's a pretty good idea to go with Yudkin on any and all things Patriot related.
greenline
Footballguy
I dont want to turn this into a WDIS, I'm just thinking if you are waiting on WElker then you are going to be limited to a Patriot, Charger, Raider, or Bills.
