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'mad sweeney said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Tibetan Sherpa said:
Absolutely awesome how Anonymous is dogging the WBC.Follow it @YourAnonNews
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Account suspended.
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YANbackup is the new version.Hilarious to see that the lack of understanding of the First Ammendment exists on all sides. Twitter suspending an account for violating it's terms of service (publishing documents with others' personal info) is not a violation of the 1A.
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Ha...on the backup account, they tweeted to Twitter their ticket number to see why the original account got closed.
 
'David Dodds said:
http://i.imgur.com/2NIxv.jpgThe Westboro van.
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'David Dodds said:
I think someone needs to call the police on that van. It has expired tags as well. Should be towed away immediately.
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I'm not sure that is a WBC van because it has Sedgwick county plates and WBC is in Shawnee county. It is hard to imagine an oversight like expired tags by WBC because of the constant police presence they attract, especially considering that on Saturday they will be picketing the funeral of two police officers killed in the line of duty this week in Topeka (their hometown).
'datonn said:
Seriously...how is that church not in ashes by now? :shrug: Or if people didn't want to give them the opportunity to cash the insurance check, how about simply turning their property into an open-air urine and #### garden? Drive up, unzip the pants, and leave a little token of folks' appreciation on their lawn/sidewalk/steps. We live in America...so the loons that make up that church are free to speak their minds! But my goodness do I wish a 50-75 foot rock from space would turn their property into a nice-sized crater. Preferably sometime on Sunday morning or Wednesday evening... :hot:
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The church and family homes are in a compound surrounded by otherwise nice, normal neighborhoods. The exterior of the compound is vandalized from time to time, but people really just choose to ignore them.
'David Dodds said:
'datonn said:
Seriously...how is that church not in ashes by now? :shrug: Or if people didn't want to give them the opportunity to cash the insurance check, how about simply turning their property into an open-air urine and #### garden? Drive up, unzip the pants, and leave a little token of folks' appreciation on their lawn/sidewalk/steps. We live in America...so the loons that make up that church are free to speak their minds! But my goodness do I wish a 50-75 foot rock from space would turn their property into a nice-sized crater. Preferably sometime on Sunday morning or Wednesday evening... :hot:
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They are not really a church. They make their money by getting to people and people doing stupid things back in retaliation and this group then sues and wins. A lot of their members are lawyers. Anonymous has them tracked to this motel 6 in Connecticut, but there are also 4 cops there.I do believe they will meet their match with Anonymous. In two short days, with the help of Anonymous, they have secured over 200,000 signatures on a whitehouse petition to label this "Church" as a hategroup. If the government does that and takes away their non-profit status, this group is done.
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No matter how many signatures they get or what the government decides to do I can't see the WBC losing the eventual battle in court.
 
'NCCommish said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
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'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I don't support labelling Westboro Baptist a "hate group" until we can tie them to activities that are actually criminal, as opposed to douchey.I certainly don't support the government taking action to somehow have them lose their status as a church based on what the say. Whatever I think about these guys, the Government isn't supposed to be the arbiter of "legitimate" religious beliefs. If the Religion Clauses mean anything, it's that.
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White Power groups often use scripture to defend their positions. They are still labeled hate groups. Sure seems like Westboro can be lumped right in to me. As noted this is more a family cult than a functioning church community.
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What are the criteria for being labelled a hate group? Is speech and protesting enough or does there have to be violent actions?
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Speech and protests usually are enough to get you hate group. Violent actions usually get you terrorist designation.
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It's difficult with the WBC. White power groups may use scripture to defend their hate for people, but they don't deny their prejudices. The WBC says that they picket out of love for everyone and that they are trying to save you from an eternity in hell. According to them they don't hate anyone. They argue that they are spreading their interpretation of scripture and advising everyone of what must be done to be saved. Seriously, they are a small "church." Ignoring them and proactive passing of local picketing ordinances is the best way to quiet them.
 
'Blind Tiger said:
'NCCommish said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'NCCommish said:
'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I don't support labelling Westboro Baptist a "hate group" until we can tie them to activities that are actually criminal, as opposed to douchey.I certainly don't support the government taking action to somehow have them lose their status as a church based on what the say. Whatever I think about these guys, the Government isn't supposed to be the arbiter of "legitimate" religious beliefs. If the Religion Clauses mean anything, it's that.
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White Power groups often use scripture to defend their positions. They are still labeled hate groups. Sure seems like Westboro can be lumped right in to me. As noted this is more a family cult than a functioning church community.
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What are the criteria for being labelled a hate group? Is speech and protesting enough or does there have to be violent actions?
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Speech and protests usually are enough to get you hate group. Violent actions usually get you terrorist designation.
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It's difficult with the WBC. White power groups may use scripture to defend their hate for people, but they don't deny their prejudices. The WBC says that they picket out of love for everyone and that they are trying to save you from an eternity in hell. According to them they don't hate anyone. They argue that they are spreading their interpretation of scripture and advising everyone of what must be done to be saved. Seriously, they are a small "church." Ignoring them and proactive passing of local picketing ordinances is the best way to quiet them.
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Are you really playing the they mean well card? I think wrecking their lives is a much better way to quiet them.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'Blind Tiger said:
'NCCommish said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'NCCommish said:
'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I don't support labelling Westboro Baptist a "hate group" until we can tie them to activities that are actually criminal, as opposed to douchey.I certainly don't support the government taking action to somehow have them lose their status as a church based on what the say. Whatever I think about these guys, the Government isn't supposed to be the arbiter of "legitimate" religious beliefs. If the Religion Clauses mean anything, it's that.
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White Power groups often use scripture to defend their positions. They are still labeled hate groups. Sure seems like Westboro can be lumped right in to me. As noted this is more a family cult than a functioning church community.
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What are the criteria for being labelled a hate group? Is speech and protesting enough or does there have to be violent actions?
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Speech and protests usually are enough to get you hate group. Violent actions usually get you terrorist designation.
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It's difficult with the WBC. White power groups may use scripture to defend their hate for people, but they don't deny their prejudices. The WBC says that they picket out of love for everyone and that they are trying to save you from an eternity in hell. According to them they don't hate anyone. They argue that they are spreading their interpretation of scripture and advising everyone of what must be done to be saved. Seriously, they are a small "church." Ignoring them and proactive passing of local picketing ordinances is the best way to quiet them.
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Are you really playing the they mean well card? I think wrecking their lives is a much better way to quiet them.
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They probably think they do. Just like christians against gay marriage really think they mean well.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'Blind Tiger said:
'NCCommish said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'NCCommish said:
'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I don't support labelling Westboro Baptist a "hate group" until we can tie them to activities that are actually criminal, as opposed to douchey.I certainly don't support the government taking action to somehow have them lose their status as a church based on what the say. Whatever I think about these guys, the Government isn't supposed to be the arbiter of "legitimate" religious beliefs. If the Religion Clauses mean anything, it's that.
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White Power groups often use scripture to defend their positions. They are still labeled hate groups. Sure seems like Westboro can be lumped right in to me. As noted this is more a family cult than a functioning church community.
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What are the criteria for being labelled a hate group? Is speech and protesting enough or does there have to be violent actions?
Click to expand...
Speech and protests usually are enough to get you hate group. Violent actions usually get you terrorist designation.
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It's difficult with the WBC. White power groups may use scripture to defend their hate for people, but they don't deny their prejudices. The WBC says that they picket out of love for everyone and that they are trying to save you from an eternity in hell. According to them they don't hate anyone. They argue that they are spreading their interpretation of scripture and advising everyone of what must be done to be saved. Seriously, they are a small "church." Ignoring them and proactive passing of local picketing ordinances is the best way to quiet them.
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Are you really playing the they mean well card? I think wrecking their lives is a much better way to quiet them.
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No, I said that is their argument about why they are a church and not a hate group. People have been trying to wreck their lives for 20 years. The free press and the attention they receive prompts bigots and other hate mongers to donate to their cause. Actions against them will lead to lawsuits and money for their cause. For them there is no bad press.
 
I really don't understand why people just don't choose to ignore them, particularly the media. If a drunken idiot wandering past the church at the time of a funeral began yelling in appropriate things, would it receive press coverage? I don't think so - people would just try to ignore it as the annoying, yet meaningless, rantings of a drunken idiot.

These WBC events are the organized protest version of a drunken idiot - they mean absolutely nothing.

 
'The_Man said:
I really don't understand why people just don't choose to ignore them, particularly the media. If a drunken idiot wandering past the church at the time of a funeral began yelling in appropriate things, would it receive press coverage? I don't think so - people would just try to ignore it as the annoying, yet meaningless, rantings of a drunken idiot.These WBC events are the organized protest version of a drunken idiot - they mean absolutely nothing.
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The media will cover anything that will get people riled up.
 
'proninja said:
It's stupid to blame the media for just about anything. The media just tries to get us to watch. They cover what we're interested in. The problem is that we're interested in these guys, not that the media covers it.
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:goodposting;The mass saturation and first to report phenomenae do change things a lot and they do share blame (which will no doubt grow) but if no one paid attention, WBC would be out if business
 
'Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I don't support labelling Westboro Baptist a "hate group" until we can tie them to activities that are actually criminal, as opposed to douchey.
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The "hate group" designation is over broad and is applied arbitrarily and capriciously.When designations like "hate group" become overused or applied in an overly broad manner they lose their original meaning.  A good example is the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) dubbing the Family Research Council (FRC) a hate group.  Does the FRC hold views contrary to the SPLC regarding homosexuality?  Obviously.  Are the FRC's views grounded in hate?  Unsure.  Has the FRC's position regarding homosexuality specifically led to attacks on homosexuals?  Unsure.  Based on not knowing whether hate is a key component of FRC ideology or the actions of those who believe as the FRC does, I'm uncomfortable calling that group or those people a "hate group" simply because I disagree with their positions.The hate group designation is usually a means to marginalize a group's views without having to address those views.  That might seem legitimate in the case of the Westboro Baptist church whose views are truly extreme and have a minuscule following, but that's not the best way to address the views of a group like the FRC whose beliefs are both more mainstream and shared by many. It's better to debate those views than to demonize both those views and those who hold them.I also find hate group designations to be arbitrary and capricious.  There is much more leeway given to fringe groups who tend to fall on the same side of the political spectrum of hate group  designators like the SPLC and the ADL.With all that said, the Westboro Baptist Church and their members truly suck.  That I believe we can agree regardless of which side of the political spectrum we fall on.
 
i wish one of these whack jobs that decide to walk into a school and kill kids would decide to seek these westboro losers and wipe THEM out instead

 
Fred Phelps, the 84-year-old driving force behind the Westboro Baptist Church, is reportedly in hospice care and "on the edge of death" in Kansas, his estranged son says in a Facebook post. Nate Phelps also claims that the elder Phelps was ex-communicated by his own church last year. "Terribly ironic that his devotion to his god ends this way," wrote the younger Phelps, who left the church in 1980. "Destroyed by the monster he made."

A second estranged son, Mark, tells the Topeka Capital-Journal that the news "is accurate." A Westboro spokesman confirms that the elder Phelps is in hospice care with "a couple things going on," but that "the source that says he's near death is not well informed."

Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church is known for protesting high-profile funerals.

Continues Nate Phelps' post: "I feel sad for all the hurt he's caused so many. I feel sad for those who will lose the grandfather and father they loved. And I'm bitterly angry that my family is blocking the family members who left from seeing him, and saying their good-byes."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/16/newser-fred-phelps/6491073/

I wonder what happened to the younger women in the family who were moving away from the cult a few years ago.

 
Nate Phelps:

Fred Phelps is now the past. The present and the future are for the living. Unfortunately, Fred’s ideas have not died with him, but live on, not just among the members of Westboro Baptist Church, but among the many communities and small minds that refuse to recognize the equality and humanity of our brothers and sisters on this small planet we share. I will mourn his passing, not for the man he was, but for the man he could have been. I deeply mourn the grief and pain felt by my family members denied their right to visit him in his final days. They deserved the right to finally have closure to decades of rejection, and that was stolen from them.

Even more, I mourn the ongoing injustices against the LGBT community, the unfortunate target of his 23 year campaign of hate. His life impacted many outside the walls of the WBC compound, uniting us across all spectrums of orientation and belief as we realized our strength lies in our commonalities, and not our differences. How many times have communities risen up together in a united wall against the harassment of my family? Differences have been set aside for that cause, tremendous and loving joint efforts mobilized within hours…and because of that, I ask this of everyone – let his death mean something. Let every mention of his name and of his church be a constant reminder of the tremendous good we are all capable of doing in our communities.

The lessons of my father were not unique to him, nor will this be the last we hear of his words, which are echoed from pulpits as close as other churches in Topeka, Kansas, where WBC headquarters remain, and as far away as Uganda. Let’s end the support of hateful and divisive teachings describing the LGBT community as “less than,” “sinful,” or “abnormal.” Embrace the LGBT community as our equals, our true brothers and sisters, by promoting equal rights for everyone, without exception. My father was a man of action, and I implore us all to embrace that small portion of his faulty legacy by doing the same.

 
Written in October 2013

But there isn’t anything remotely ordinary about these two sisters and their journey here. Until last November, they were members of the Westboro Baptist Church, the group, based in Topeka, Kan., widely regarded as one of the most virulently homophobic organizations in the United States. The group, founded by Fred Phelps – Megan and Grace’s grandfather – has become infamous for its “God Hates ####” campaign, one that includes picketing the funerals of gay and lesbian people, and has also picketed synagogues and other Jewish institutions, shouting slogans about Jews burning in Hell.
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In 2009, Megan recalls, “We started protesting all things Jewish.” Megan was already in charge of the WBC’s social media campaign, including its Twitter feed. It was there that she began receiving challenges to the church’s doctrine by a blogger at the website Jewlicious, L.A.-based Canadian David Abitbol, who pointed to the absurdity of much of the WBC’s official line on Judaism and homosexuality.

Megan and Grace started asking themselves what they were up to, and what their church and extended family really believed in. There were, Megan confirms, “a lot of conversations” between them, “not about leaving, but about aspects of the church, the theology and its application. Over time, we started to see things that made us think, ‘Wait a second, there’s something wrong here. This doesn’t fit together.’ ”

But that questioning proved difficult, due to the strict interpretation of scripture that Mr. Phelps – “Gramps” to Megan and Grace – insists WBC members adhere to. “It was always very much all-or-nothing,” Megan explains. “The way the church presents it is, there’s the WBC and the rest of the world. And the rest of the world is evil. The WBC is the only place in the world in our generation that is telling the truth of God. Over time, those little things built up, and there were so many of them. Once you step out of it for a second, and you’re out of that vacuum, things change.”
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“Hurting my mom was the worst thing of all,” Megan says. The discussion led to a number of members of the church stopping in – almost all of them extended family members – to try to convince Megan and Grace to stay. Their family made it clear: If they left, it would be a clean break. “They believe that they cannot care about anything but what God thinks,” Megan says. “And they are so sure about what God thinks that there can be no other option.”
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The two who got away.

 
Birthdays were a big deal growing up; they were basically the only holiday my family celebrated. Well – unless you count our annual tradition of protesting as many Christmas church services in our hometown as the seventy of us could cover in a single night, regaling the parishioners with a version of “The Twelve Days of Christmas” rewritten to describe [what we perceived to be] gay sex practices in graphic detail. “Five golden showers!” You get the idea. I was maybe seven or eight when I learned the song, so these weren’t concepts I understood (at least, not until Gramps explained them from the pulpit on Sunday), but I sang along heartily anyway.
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https://gypsiesandsinners.wordpress.com/

 
CowboysFromHell said:
So these goons are coming to my neighborhood in a couple of weeks:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/20170818_Specialty-Flier-Oak-Hills-High-School.pdf

My daughter is a freshman, and a member of the LGBT group at the school that is the focus of the protest. I definitely plan on being a part of the counter protest.  Planning to keep my cool and not punch one of these idiots in the face, but who knows.  No jury would convict me.  :shrug:   
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All you have to do is repent you heathen and join the Westboro side. REPENT!!!!!!

 
CowboysFromHell said:
So these goons are coming to my neighborhood in a couple of weeks:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/20170818_Specialty-Flier-Oak-Hills-High-School.pdf

My daughter is a freshman, and a member of the LGBT group at the school that is the focus of the protest. I definitely plan on being a part of the counter protest.  Planning to keep my cool and not punch one of these idiots in the face, but who knows.  No jury would convict me.  :shrug:   
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Will you carry a sign in the counter protest? I'm sure we could suggest some good ones.

 
Link below is a must watch if you have interest in this church.   I believe her grandfather was the leader of the church for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOnefFVBEb0

Streamed live on Jun 8, 2017

Megan Phelps-Roper is a social media activist, lobbying to overcome divisions and hatred between religious and political divides. Formerly a prominent member of the Westboro Baptist Church, she left the church with her sister Grace in November 2012.

Rogan has a great podcast just so many different interesting topics.

 
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IC FBGCav said:
Link below is a must watch if you have interest in this church.   I believe her grandfather was the leader of the church for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOnefFVBEb0

Streamed live on Jun 8, 2017

Megan Phelps-Roper is a social media activist, lobbying to overcome divisions and hatred between religious and political divides. Formerly a prominent member of the Westboro Baptist Church, she left the church with her sister Grace in November 2012.

Rogan has a great podcast just so many different interesting topics.
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She also gave a fantastic TED talk: https://youtu.be/bVV2Zk88beY

 
IC FBGCav said:
Link below is a must watch if you have interest in this church.   I believe her grandfather was the leader of the church for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOnefFVBEb0

Streamed live on Jun 8, 2017

Megan Phelps-Roper is a social media activist, lobbying to overcome divisions and hatred between religious and political divides. Formerly a prominent member of the Westboro Baptist Church, she left the church with her sister Grace in November 2012.

Rogan has a great podcast just so many different interesting topics.
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Watched this earlier in the week based on a recommendation in the Rogan thread. Fascinating stuff. Not as crazy as the scientology stories but still enlightening.

 
CowboysFromHell said:
So these goons are coming to my neighborhood in a couple of weeks:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/20170818_Specialty-Flier-Oak-Hills-High-School.pdf

My daughter is a freshman, and a member of the LGBT group at the school that is the focus of the protest. I definitely plan on being a part of the counter protest.  Planning to keep my cool and not punch one of these idiots in the face, but who knows.  No jury would convict me.  :shrug:   
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I am kinda jealous, counter protesting these "people" is on my bucket list. What fun!    :yes:

 
shifty said:
I am kinda jealous, counter protesting these "people" is on my bucket list. What fun!    :yes:
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From what I understand, the church protest is hundreds of feet away from the school, and the counter-protest would be another hundred feet from the church people. It's just going to be incoherent screaming over distances of hundreds and hundreds of feet. May as well stay home and call your wife fat if you're looking for a fist fight and shouting.  :D

 
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