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I'll agree with all that.Let me clarify my stance on everything:
Ok, well we are pretty close to understanding each other, because I agree with what you are saying. Where we are different is, I believe TO (and Rosenhaus) is pleaing (sp??) with fans to empathise with their cause, which I am not.I cannot tell you how much man-love I have for TO, but I don't agree with him in this case. He signed a new contract and collected over 7 million in bonuses the first year of a 7 year contract. Now he wants an even bigger bonus in year 2? He has every right to sit out and ask for it, but I don't think he deserves it.
I guess part of the "consequences" he should be prepared to deal with for his breach of contract are the repercussions amongst the public. This should be a particularly salient issue for TO as one of the more recognizable and marketable players in the NFL. He may think any publicity is good publicity, but if enough people think he's a <DONKEY> because of his actions, then he should realize there will be potential financial repurcussions down the line as well. People, particularly those who pay for Philly tickets and merchandise, but also any NFL fan or other person who may be influenced by marketing involving TO, certainly have the right to think poorly of his stance and particularly of the way he and his agent have handled the negotiation process.I'll agree with that. I was only arguing against the people calling TO a "jackass" for doing this. I agree with you- he has the right to do this provided that he does what you said.
I don't bash every player to hold out, only the ones I don't see as having a legit reason to be doing so. I have no problem with PROVEN guys that perform at much higher levels than what their rookie contracts would indicate monitarily holding out. This however, is about as far from that situation as possible though and TO is simply making himslef look like a baby IMO.
I think there is some value here. On one hand I can agree with jwvdcw in that every player should be allowed (publically) to hold out for more money if they feel they deserve. However, I can see where jurb26 is coming from too;It is one thing to sign a 7 year and 3 or 4 years later approach the team about redoing a contract. It is a completely different story when somebody signs a 7 year deal and immediately after the first year of the contract demand to negogiate a brand new deal and a brand new signing bonus.
well, it sounds good...until Moss and TO get in a rift about "I'm not getting enough looks" then one holds out next year---or the other---or better yet...BOTH
Because the NFL isn't about to become the financial model of the NHL. jw, maybe you should stick to doing random, crappy posts and leave things like logic and reason to those who are equipped to contribute in that way.And owners are fully aware that when a player outperforms his contract, he will probably want more money or threaten a hold out- Thats part of the "unwritten rules" of football and all of the owners understand it. Why are owners not "spoiled punks" for doing the same thing that TO is doing?The players are fully aware that the contracts are not guaranteed. That's part of THEIR bargaining agreement with the owners. That's why they get the big signing bonuses. If they play up to the level of the contract, or beyond, they will get paid handsomely in their next contract. If not, not. TO is nothing but a spoiled punk. Ownership of all teams needs to start standing firm against re-negotiating in situations like these.honor the contract?
in the NFL a contract isnt a contract. owners cut players all the time. if ownership doesnt live up to the contract, why should the players?
contracts after the fact? you are the only moron
Whoa there. Easy on the Alexander, homie. He played out his rookie contract despite obviously outplaying it! He's not demanding anything other than the fact that he wants a long term deal, which he asked for 2 years ago (with a horrible FO in place). But even then, the words holdout never crossed his lips. He's also repeatedly said this off season that he believes he and the team will come to an agreement on the deal. He may be a twinkletoed primadonna at times but he's nothing but a team player. No celebrations, no holdout threats, nothing in common with the others you listed. Sure he's hinted at playing elsewhere, but he was set to become a UFA, he wasn't demanding a trade while under contract. I think his only problem about his contract is that his asking price is too high for this year's RB supply and demand issues, especially after seeing the type of dough the team ponied up for Wistrom, Hass, and Walter Jones.
Not what I listed him for.....think Week 17 2004 season...rushing title...Holmgren snubbed me crying.....That is why he is on that list....he showed his true colors that day.
I knew what you were talking about since it's his one and only negative incident. That's a pretty harsh indictment for one comment, taken out of context, after years of complaint free playing. The rest of that quote, not so widely publicised, was "If they knew and didn't give me the ball..." or something to that effect. So what you're saying is that one heat of the moment questionable comment after falling 1 yard shy of every RBs dream at the end of an emotionally tough season is enough to put him in the category of perennial poorsports/holdouts Meshawn, TO and Chad Johnson? That one comment, which he has backtracked on and never used it against the team or Holmgren in the press since, turns him into a selfish non-team player? You have to be kidding me. I'm a diehard 'Hawks fan and I'm one of SA's biggest critics, but you are WAY off base putting him in that company.
