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What are the shallowest positions (1 Viewer)
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whitem0nkey
Footballguy
compared to the past, OF is not as deep as before. 3B and SS are a bit deeper. 2B is thin, and 1B is not as plentiful as before.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
see article in the link wrigley posted here.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry8410448
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry8410448
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
oh and catcher, if you cant get one of the top 4-5 just take your catcher real late.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i think this is a pretty interesting year in terms of position scarcity.
i actually think some of the traditionally deep positions (1B,3B,OF) are somewhat scarce this year (relatively speaking).
-for 1B, i see a fairly significant drop off once you get past konerko and pena (the 1st 10-11). there's some youngsters (loney, garko) after that that could payoff after than, but i'd feel much better with those younger guys as a CI.
-3B is not a position that i'd want anybody worse than atkins starting at. the dropoff there after the top 10 (ending with zimm and beltre) is very large, imo.
this feels like the kind of year where it'll be a big advantage to have a strong CI.
-in the OF, while there's great value to be had really late, i want as many of the top 25 guys (ending with the franceour/hawpe/bay-types) as i can get. in a 5OF league, i wouldn't feel comfortable with fewer than 3 of those guys (i count victorino in that top 25, btw). one thing that's great about the this year's class, imo, is the plethora of reasonably priced power/speed options (rios,markakis,hart,pence,wells,young,kemp,delmon). i like to load up on those guys b/c i haven't been getting top SS's and, to me, the good value on late SS's tend to be power guys with no speed (peralta,greene,hardy).
-for 2B, i see a big dropoff after the top 7 (usual suspects plus kinsler and uggla). i'd certainly make sure to get one of the top 7 2B's
-for SS, there's kind of a top 9, but i rarely end up with one of the top 3 and i don't feel great this year about most of the others (jeter,tulo,guillen,young). if you like the 4-9 guys, they're good value though. personally, i wait.
-C: the top 4 are nice but overvalued, imo. just get napoli very late.
SP: the top 5 are great and after that, opinions will vary greatly. overall, it's very deep. strategies with SP would vary depending on one's opinion of the guys in the 10-30 range.
just some thoughts. i don't know if that helps at all, but if it does, great.
good luck
i actually think some of the traditionally deep positions (1B,3B,OF) are somewhat scarce this year (relatively speaking).
-for 1B, i see a fairly significant drop off once you get past konerko and pena (the 1st 10-11). there's some youngsters (loney, garko) after that that could payoff after than, but i'd feel much better with those younger guys as a CI.
-3B is not a position that i'd want anybody worse than atkins starting at. the dropoff there after the top 10 (ending with zimm and beltre) is very large, imo.
this feels like the kind of year where it'll be a big advantage to have a strong CI.
-in the OF, while there's great value to be had really late, i want as many of the top 25 guys (ending with the franceour/hawpe/bay-types) as i can get. in a 5OF league, i wouldn't feel comfortable with fewer than 3 of those guys (i count victorino in that top 25, btw). one thing that's great about the this year's class, imo, is the plethora of reasonably priced power/speed options (rios,markakis,hart,pence,wells,young,kemp,delmon). i like to load up on those guys b/c i haven't been getting top SS's and, to me, the good value on late SS's tend to be power guys with no speed (peralta,greene,hardy).
-for 2B, i see a big dropoff after the top 7 (usual suspects plus kinsler and uggla). i'd certainly make sure to get one of the top 7 2B's
-for SS, there's kind of a top 9, but i rarely end up with one of the top 3 and i don't feel great this year about most of the others (jeter,tulo,guillen,young). if you like the 4-9 guys, they're good value though. personally, i wait.
-C: the top 4 are nice but overvalued, imo. just get napoli very late.
SP: the top 5 are great and after that, opinions will vary greatly. overall, it's very deep. strategies with SP would vary depending on one's opinion of the guys in the 10-30 range.
just some thoughts. i don't know if that helps at all, but if it does, great.
good luck
MAC_32
Footballguy
Catcher is the most scarce
3B is not scarce, there are some excellent values available deep
SS is somewhat scarce, after the top 8 there's a pretty big dropoff but there's some quality talent available deep into the draft
2B is not scarce
1B is somewhat scarce, it's relatively similar to SS (unless Pronk and Ortiz qualify in your league's setup)
OF is not scarce if you only use 3 OF's, the more you use the more scarce it becomes
Perusual, pitching is not scarce
3B is not scarce, there are some excellent values available deep
SS is somewhat scarce, after the top 8 there's a pretty big dropoff but there's some quality talent available deep into the draft
2B is not scarce
1B is somewhat scarce, it's relatively similar to SS (unless Pronk and Ortiz qualify in your league's setup)
OF is not scarce if you only use 3 OF's, the more you use the more scarce it becomes
Perusual, pitching is not scarce
ceo3west
Footballguy
Very good analysis, I agree on most. However I think 2B is as deep as it ever has been. I personally would be comfortable with guys like Weeks, Kendrick or even Ellis this year. There are much thinner positions this year IMO, so waiting on 2B would not be the worst thing.
It really depends on your league position requirements.
In one catcher leagues, catcher is not too shallow. Sure there 3-4 at the top of the heap, but you can find a serviceable catcher near the end of the draft. However, in two catcher leagues, catching is very scarce, as there are not 28 every day catchers out there and someone with 2 good ones will have a nice advantage.
In 3 OF leagues, OF is not shallow. However, if you play in a 5 OF league with two utility spots, OF is shallow. You may be able to snatch 2-3 decent ones if you wait, but after that you will find that there are slim pickings around OF'ers #50-80.
1B is not shallow in any league, but if you have a CM position, it's a good idea to grab two thumpers at 1st.
3B is not too shallow, not the deepest.
I think middle infield is the deepest this year and you can adjust your lineups easily by waiting at these positions. If you need a few extra homers, you grab a JJ Hardy type SS who will be available late. If you need a few extra steals, you can grab a Julio Lugo or Kaz Matsui, who will be available late.
In one catcher leagues, catcher is not too shallow. Sure there 3-4 at the top of the heap, but you can find a serviceable catcher near the end of the draft. However, in two catcher leagues, catching is very scarce, as there are not 28 every day catchers out there and someone with 2 good ones will have a nice advantage.
In 3 OF leagues, OF is not shallow. However, if you play in a 5 OF league with two utility spots, OF is shallow. You may be able to snatch 2-3 decent ones if you wait, but after that you will find that there are slim pickings around OF'ers #50-80.
1B is not shallow in any league, but if you have a CM position, it's a good idea to grab two thumpers at 1st.
3B is not too shallow, not the deepest.
I think middle infield is the deepest this year and you can adjust your lineups easily by waiting at these positions. If you need a few extra homers, you grab a JJ Hardy type SS who will be available late. If you need a few extra steals, you can grab a Julio Lugo or Kaz Matsui, who will be available late.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
SS and 2B seemed pretty shallow to me.
3B has some solid sleepers in the latter half of the rankings.
3B has some solid sleepers in the latter half of the rankings.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
While I agree that there's a big dropoff after Atkins I do not believe you need to ensure one of the top 6. I like Zimmerman around his ADP but not before, but really no one else until the deeper portions of the draft. Values like Blalock, Encarnacion, Kouzmanoff, and maybe even Reynolds should significantly outproduce their draft position. Yes, I'd prefer one of the top 6 as my starting 3B and use one of these guys to fill my CI spot, but if you miss out on the top 6 pick up a 1B to cover the CI spot and one of these kids at 3B. If your bench is deep enough stuffing a Josh Fields or Longoria on it would be a wise move too.Likewise at 2B I see a big dropoff after the first 6 but there's no need to panic and reach for one of them. I do not believe Uggla is worth the asking price, but waiting and taking chances on Weeks, Kendrick, or Kelly Johnson could pay off big. It's not the end of the world if you miss on all of them and are forced into a Yunel Escobar or Aaron Hill, they should outproduce their draft position and as long as your getting + value at other positions the disadvantage you'll be presented with at 2B will be negated. Cano and Upton are really the only two 2B's in the top 7 I believe are worth their ADP.
AcerFC
Footballguy
I think Utley is worth his ADP but thats not why I responded. You talk a lot about ADP. What site do you use to get that info. That would be a huge help to me.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I use a compelation between Mock Draft Central, ESPN, Y!, and Couch Managers. If there are statsitcial outliers (Milledge inexplicably is listed in the 300+ on Y!, Ian Snell was close to 300 on Couch Managers) I make a manual adjustment. I haven't done any sort of update since mid March though as the last of my four drafts were last Thursday and Friday.
