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What does the future hold for DeAngelo? (1 Viewer)

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I won't even pretend to understand NFL business, which is why I'm asking the question here. I know DWill is getting a ton of money and that a lot of it is guaranteed, but that seems like a lot to pay a back that isn't getting a lot of burn. Stewart seems to be their primary back, so what is going to happen to DWill? Will they waive him and roll with Stewart and Goodson or is he pretty much locked in for the foreseeable future?

 
My hope as a DWill owner in dynasty is that he moves on. With Cam, Stewart and Goodson, I don't see why they need him.

 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.

But that's obviously not the case

I'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.

So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.

We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.

 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.But that's obviously not the caseI'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Goodson's contract expires then too so they'll be left with a 30 year old RB as the only guy with a deal. Not a good move by their FO
 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.But that's obviously not the caseI'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Goodson's contract expires then too so they'll be left with a 30 year old RB as the only guy with a deal. Not a good move by their FO
I'm sure they will find another complementary back in a few years, but yes, they seem stuck with DWill's contract. They can probably restructure it in the offseason, but not sure how much cap relief it will give them.
 
My hope as a DWill owner in dynasty is that he moves on. With Cam, Stewart and Goodson, I don't see why they need him.
I seriously hope they cut him. He is wasted talent there. Unfortunately he seems content to take pocket his gamecheck and not complain. He should be able to last another 10 years at this rate of usage. Tough to cut him in dynasty since all it took for Priest Holmes was a new team.One thing they have proven is that they can't win games throwing the ball.
 
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I was one of the few that actually thought the move made sense when they re-signed him. You can't have too many good RBs (see Detroit) and I don't think anyone (including the Carolina staff) thought Newton would be so well adjusted already. I think their nightmare scenario would have been not having DWill, Stewart getting hurt and rolling with Goodson in week 3 on with a struggling rookie QB. Obviously it did not turn out that way, but this is a team who had fits 5 years ago with the running combo of Vick, Dunn and Duckett and I believe they wanted to try that approach. What has happened is that Newton already is a more accomplished passer than Vick was back then and they are not good enough as that ATL team from back then to be playing ahead enough (and therefore implement the run).

I know he had a lot of guaranteed money in his contract, so maybe that makes him tradable after this season. Hurney is also not opposed to taking a cap hit, so I think it is quite possible.

 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.But that's obviously not the caseI'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
If they have everyone under contract for another season, given the high propensity for injuries to RBs, why not keep all three through 2012, same as now? Then after 2012, before 2013, when DWill will be 30, if the other two are doing well they can give ask him to take a salary cut or release him. If he is still effective and the other two are hurt, then they still have him.
 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.But that's obviously not the caseI'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
If they have everyone under contract for another season, given the high propensity for injuries to RBs, why not keep all three through 2012, same as now? Then after 2012, before 2013, when DWill will be 30, if the other two are doing well they can give ask him to take a salary cut or release him. If he is still effective and the other two are hurt, then they still have him.
I imagine they will do that (keep all three RBs), but that has to be a lot of money tied up into the QB, RB and WR position (Smith) when clearly they have a lot of needs on the defensive side of the ball.
 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.

But that's obviously not the case

I'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.

So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.

We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Good to see this plan of not needing their best offensive player is working out to the tune of a 2-7 record.
 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.

But that's obviously not the case

I'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.

So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.

We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Good to see this plan of not needing their best offensive player is working out to the tune of a 2-7 record.
You clearly haven't watched the Panthers this year if you think Deangelo is their best offensive player. I don't know what has happened to him, but he looks slow and indecisive this season. The sharp cuts and smart moves that he used to make are gone and he is dancing around behind the line of scrimmage when there are holes available to run through.I think that the Panthers fully intended to use both Stewart and Deangelo quite a bit this season, but Deangelo's poor play has given Stewart a more active role than Deangelo.

Cam Newton being much better than expected certainly had something to do with it as well. Make no mistake, this season for the Panthers is about one thing, and that is to develop Cam Newton. The season is lost because the defense isn't good enough to help the Panthers win (even though they have held one late in many of their games this year). This offseason will be all about the defense, and I wouldn't be surprised if Deangelo is a casuality during the process to upgrade the other side of the ball.

 
This offseason will be all about the defense, and I wouldn't be surprised if Deangelo is a casuality during the process to upgrade the other side of the ball.
What kind of hit would the Panthers be looking at if they axed Deangelo?
 
He signed a five year extension for $43M. $21M was guaranteed. Of that, $16M was paid as a signing bonus and the other $5M is in next year's salary.

If they cut him, they are out $5M and, depending on when it was done, another ~$4.4M in cap salary

the big money is out the door on this and it had to be done anyway (I believe carolina was one of the teams that was needing to reach the new minimum threshold and they also were kind of dead set on not losing a local favorite player after they had the year prior with Peppers).

So, looking back, I do not think the Panthers would really cry if they parted ways next year. It would almost ahve to be a cut and not a trade though. I can not see a team paying that much for him (too many alternatives available).

Overall, i don't think it was a terrible thing (except to JSTEW owners...lol). The team was protecting their bigger investment of a franchise QB. Also, all the injuries to the LB corps has killed them.

 
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The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.

But that's obviously not the case

I'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.

So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.

We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Good to see this plan of not needing their best offensive player is working out to the tune of a 2-7 record.
You clearly haven't watched the Panthers this year if you think Deangelo is their best offensive player. I don't know what has happened to him, but he looks slow and indecisive this season. The sharp cuts and smart moves that he used to make are gone and he is dancing around behind the line of scrimmage when there are holes available to run through.I think that the Panthers fully intended to use both Stewart and Deangelo quite a bit this season, but Deangelo's poor play has given Stewart a more active role than Deangelo.

Cam Newton being much better than expected certainly had something to do with it as well. Make no mistake, this season for the Panthers is about one thing, and that is to develop Cam Newton. The season is lost because the defense isn't good enough to help the Panthers win (even though they have held one late in many of their games this year). This offseason will be all about the defense, and I wouldn't be surprised if Deangelo is a casuality during the process to upgrade the other side of the ball.
4.8 ypc vs Stewart's 4.7. :confused: Would love to see what he looks like if he was not so slow. They just are not using either correctly. They are infatualted with Newton and like the previosu poster said, to the tune of a 2-7 record.
 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.

But that's obviously not the case

I'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.

So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.

We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Good to see this plan of not needing their best offensive player is working out to the tune of a 2-7 record.
You clearly haven't watched the Panthers this year if you think Deangelo is their best offensive player. I don't know what has happened to him, but he looks slow and indecisive this season. The sharp cuts and smart moves that he used to make are gone and he is dancing around behind the line of scrimmage when there are holes available to run through.I think that the Panthers fully intended to use both Stewart and Deangelo quite a bit this season, but Deangelo's poor play has given Stewart a more active role than Deangelo.

Cam Newton being much better than expected certainly had something to do with it as well. Make no mistake, this season for the Panthers is about one thing, and that is to develop Cam Newton. The season is lost because the defense isn't good enough to help the Panthers win (even though they have held one late in many of their games this year). This offseason will be all about the defense, and I wouldn't be surprised if Deangelo is a casuality during the process to upgrade the other side of the ball.
Deangleo is an elite talent at running back and is still averaging near 5 yards per catch despite being on the field much less. I've watched and even attended Panthers games this year and all those show is that he is an afterthought to the play callers. They did exactly the same thing last year with the offense en route to an awful season.
 
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He signed a five year extension for $43M. $21M was guaranteed. Of that, $16M was paid as a signing bonus and the other $5M is in next year's salary. If they cut him, they are out $5M and, depending on when it was done, another ~$4.4M in cap salarythe big money is out the door on this and it had to be done anyway (I believe carolina was one of the teams that was needing to reach the new minimum threshold and they also were kind of dead set on not losing a local favorite player after they had the year prior with Peppers).
Yeah, the salary cap hit isn't that big compared to some of what a lot of players would cost. I don't think it's a given that Deangelo will be gone next year, but I would say it's a strong possibility. For the record, the Panthers were in no danger of being under the minimum threshold. With the exception of last year when Richardson was trying to make a point before the potential lockout, the Panthers are always right at the salary cap limit. Unfortunately, last year gave the Panthers a reputation as a team that isn't willing to spend money, but it's definitely not true.
 
Deangleo is an elite talent at running back and is still averaging near 5 yards per catch despite being on the field much less. I've watched and even attended Panthers games this year and all those show is that he is an afterthought to the play callers. They did exactly the same thing last year with the offense en route to an awful season.
They were successful when each RB played the whole series (a few years back). Then they got stupid with it and decided to rotate them in and out every play. That's when it fell apart. To this day, they haven't figured it out. I thought a new coaching staff would get it but they have taken it to a whole new level of suckage.Calling John Fox. I hear you need a new RB for 2012.

 
He signed a five year extension for $43M. $21M was guaranteed. Of that, $16M was paid as a signing bonus and the other $5M is in next year's salary. If they cut him, they are out $5M and, depending on when it was done, another ~$4.4M in cap salarythe big money is out the door on this and it had to be done anyway (I believe carolina was one of the teams that was needing to reach the new minimum threshold and they also were kind of dead set on not losing a local favorite player after they had the year prior with Peppers).So, looking back, I do not think the Panthers would really cry if they parted ways next year. It would almost ahve to be a cut and not a trade though. I can not see a team paying that much for him (too many alternatives available).Overall, i don't think it was a terrible thing (except to JSTEW owners...lol). The team was protecting their bigger investment of a franchise QB. Also, all the injuries to the LB corps has killed them.
I think it's fair to say if they ad spent Dwill's money to keep peppers instead they might have another 2-3 wins this year.
 
The Panthers gave him that kind of money before they knew what they had in Cam Newton. As for DWill's boatload contract, the team wanted to keep him at the time and had to pay up or else someone (Denver, Miami, etc.) would have signed him away. Bottom line: if Cam were struggling and had the usual rookie jitters, both DWill and Stewart would be used a lot more.

But that's obviously not the case

I'm not sure how palatable DWill's contract is to another team, but I imagine it's pretty steep when you look at the effective RBs out there with modest contracts.

So it's a good and bad problem to have for the Panthers - they have an outstanding franchise QB, but have to pay money to a franchise RB as well.

We'll see how it plays out when Stewart's contract expires at the end of 2012.
Good to see this plan of not needing their best offensive player is working out to the tune of a 2-7 record.
You clearly haven't watched the Panthers this year if you think Deangelo is their best offensive player. I don't know what has happened to him, but he looks slow and indecisive this season. The sharp cuts and smart moves that he used to make are gone and he is dancing around behind the line of scrimmage when there are holes available to run through.I think that the Panthers fully intended to use both Stewart and Deangelo quite a bit this season, but Deangelo's poor play has given Stewart a more active role than Deangelo.

Cam Newton being much better than expected certainly had something to do with it as well. Make no mistake, this season for the Panthers is about one thing, and that is to develop Cam Newton. The season is lost because the defense isn't good enough to help the Panthers win (even though they have held one late in many of their games this year). This offseason will be all about the defense, and I wouldn't be surprised if Deangelo is a casuality during the process to upgrade the other side of the ball.
Deangleo is an elite talent at running back and is still averaging near 5 yards per catch despite being on the field much less. I've watched and even attended Panthers games this year and all those show is that he is an afterthought to the play callers. They did exactly the same thing last year with the offense en route to an awful season.
Like you, I've watched him every snap this year and I've attended a number of games, and I just don't see a player who is the same. Now, with that said, DeAngelo is a better player when he is able to get into the groove of the game. I agree that the running game hasn't been used at the level it should this year, but at the same time, Stewart has clearly been the more effective runner. While the overall stats may be there, DeAngelo looks like he has regressed since the injury last year. I haven't seen him dance around in the backfield this much since his rookie season.

 
He signed a five year extension for $43M. $21M was guaranteed. Of that, $16M was paid as a signing bonus and the other $5M is in next year's salary.

If they cut him, they are out $5M and, depending on when it was done, another ~$4.4M in cap salary

the big money is out the door on this and it had to be done anyway (I believe carolina was one of the teams that was needing to reach the new minimum threshold and they also were kind of dead set on not losing a local favorite player after they had the year prior with Peppers).
Yeah, the salary cap hit isn't that big compared to some of what a lot of players would cost. I don't think it's a given that Deangelo will be gone next year, but I would say it's a strong possibility. For the record, the Panthers were in no danger of being under the minimum threshold. With the exception of last year when Richardson was trying to make a point before the potential lockout, the Panthers are always right at the salary cap limit. Unfortunately, last year gave the Panthers a reputation as a team that isn't willing to spend money, but it's definitely not true.
Yes, I was only speaking of before the season started this year. After the new agreement was reached, it was stated a lot that the Panthers were one of the teams that had to spend up to a certain amount to meet the new agreement numbers. they then extend some players to BIG numbers. So, I don't know for fact if that was coincidental or if they really were trying to get to a new mandatory number but I took it more of them going out of their way to make a point that they were not going to lose hometown favorites again.
 

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