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What good do you expect from Trump as President? (1 Viewer)

reel_smooth said:
Yep, I'll buy that - which is another reason why I like what he has said in regards to his platform; pushing for term limits, not to mention his promise of who he intends to nominate for the supreme court, which are some solid choices. But I certainly find enough areas to disagree with him own too. However, he still shows just enough promise as a much better option than HRC; if she manages to pull this out, I will be heavily invested in ammunition; already have plenty of tools for them to fly out of. 
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Is that your prison name?

 
reel_smooth said:
Yep, I'll buy that - which is another reason why I like what he has said in regards to his platform; pushing for term limits, not to mention his promise of who he intends to nominate for the supreme court, which are some solid choices. But I certainly find enough areas to disagree with him own too. However, he still shows just enough promise as a much better option than HRC; if she manages to pull this out, I will be heavily invested in ammunition; already have plenty of tools for them to fly out of. 
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Look you can buy all the ammo you want, it's certainly your right which I respect.

The bigger question really is why. What do you think will happen when Hillary is elected?

Or is that just a funny joke that gun owners make and I just don't get it.

 
reel_smooth said:
if she manages to pull this out, I will be heavily invested in ammunition
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I just don't get this at all.  I sort of could understand 8 years ago when the right-wing types were going through the same panic.  But Clinton is more likely to keep things rolling on the same, (relatively) safe tracks.  Trump is much more likely to jump the tracks (win or lose) and cause people's need for fire arms. 

 
wikkidpissah said:
best. avatar. ever.

y'know, i originally was rooting for Trump because he's the President America deserves and, not having much time left on this impatient orb, i wanted him for to hasten the Crash to come so i can see if my theories on modern society in crisis are correct. the closer i get though, the more i realize he actually is the oversized, grandiose schoolyard bully from which his persona is made and he will deliver the same bigfatnothin that anyone not seriously interested in reform would.  Only diff will be, instead of Obama's egghead smirk of deep concern after failure, he will gripe like a tween after nothing gets done and offer new "y'know what'd be totally cool?!" sets of pie-eyed schemes to be ignored.
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Paraphrasing, if I may, a vote for Trump is a vote Biff Tannen ... A Biff Tannen with tiny fingers, I mean to say.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Not in his nature imo.  I think he shirks from major responsibilities and moves on to something else.  If the world was coming apart at the seams, I suspect Trump would be the orange fur-ball curled up in the corner in a complete breakdown.

What is scarier though, is that not only would Clinton stand tall in such a situation, but I think she relishes the opportunity to demonstrate her brass balls.  She is the more likely of the two candidates to get us embroiled in a significant military action - just so she can prove that she takes #### from no-one.
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:goodposting:  .  There isn't anyone more War hungry than Hillary.  It's shocking people can't see this, even diehard Hillary supporters.  

He will cause a fairly large recession due to increased interest rates but will bring good jobs back for middle America.  Large companies with huge debt loads will get bought up or restructure in BK.  The lower corporate tax rate will fix corporations from moving overseas or to Canada for tax benefits, which is needed as we currently have the highest in the world.

I could see America become leading exporters on Energy.  He's the most experienced builder to ever run for office, and I think he will invest heavily in rebuilding crumbling infrastructures.   Energy and infrastructure (wall,bridges,roads,grids).  This spending will cause the debt to rise another 50% over his term.  He will disappoint on healthcare, and it will be a major topic in the next election.  He will be a great president for small business, Lower to middle income, and young people but a bad president for people on the brink of retirement, people that are heavily invested in the stock market, and people that trade/travel frequently out of the country.  I think latinos and LGBT will be much more likely to be republicans after this election and Christians will lose a lot of power that they hold in the Republican Party.  

 
Gary Coal Man said:
In the event of an improbable Trump win, I expect a ripple effect to people of other nations that they too can overcome the long standing parties, societal narratives, and conspiring media that are no longer serving the best interests of the citizens.  Trump, the man, may be a donk, but his unlikely election coupled with the unlikely Brexit will likely inspire more people in other nations to go in a a direction that they secretly longed for, but did not previously think was possible given the establishment control.  

I know this will sound extreme to some, but it could have an effect like the East Germans rising up to demolish the Berlin Wall in 1989.  Just a year earlier that seemed inconceivable.  Yet that rebelling mindset quickly spread throughout the Eastern bloc and within a couple of years Soviet control over all those nations was lost.

Parties based on ideas that were thought doomed to fail just a few short years ago will rise in other nations, in part, based on inspiration from a Trump win (should that event transpire.)
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Not sure that's always a good thing....... 

 
I'm looking forward to him changing the venue for the State of the Union address to a board room.... where "someone from congress will be going home tonight". 

 
bro1ncos said:
Real, behind the scenes, truths about how things are working in Washington. I hope truths get revealed in the way Canseco's book revealed the truths about steroids in baseball.
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Not sure that'll happen.  More likely, the streams of money will, just like everytime, be diverted.

 
reel_smooth said:
The blindness of Koolaid-drinking left is astonishing. What has he lied about? What laws has he broken if he 'embodies' that? Lust for power? No - narcissistic? That'd be fair. And isn't this just like you Koolaid-drinkers in the Democrat Party: can't win an argument so let's pull out the insults. If you managed to read the entire post, Trump was never my first choice; I'm just not willing to vote to allow HRC access to the WH again. Heaven only knows what she'll steal when she leaves the next time ..... if we even still have a country by then. 

Hillary clearly lied about Benghazi, to the American people & the families of the survivors. She clearly lied about her e-mails on a private server while Secretary of State [which in and of itself is a felony], even though the DOJ opted against prosecuting her [can't imagine why; it's only a DOJ of the same party as her]. Then there's the Podesta hacked e-mails showing her collusion in sending paid protesters to Trump rallies. Not to mention taking money from countries like Saudi Arabia & Qatar the fund terrorism & violate human rights under the banner of Sharia Law. You want me to go on? There's more ................
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Where are the 20 million emails from the Bush/Cheney era about Iraq and Afghanistan? Please let the American people see those emails since they may hold the keys to trillions of dollars spent, thousands of military lives lost, thousands of civilian lives lost, and who knows what else. Go ask the RNC where those emails are since those emails were also on illegal servers run by the RNC. Please, go ask for those before complaining about whatever it is you are complaining about when it comes to Hillary.

 
As for Trump, the immediate upside is how badly both parties will lose their collective #### trying to figure out wth just happened. It might actually make them change the way they do things and force them to reevaluate their principles because if the people are willing to extend a complete an utter clown as president, they've shown that they are entirely tired of the status quo BS.

Long term, government would be at a stand still because no one will work with Trump. He will veto their ideas and they torpedo his. So we will have 4 years without any surprise life changing bills like NCLB and Obamacare.  

Maybe by the end of the 4 years, these idiots will change their ways and present people that don't suck on every imaginable level.  One can dream.

 
Honestly I don't really notice a difference in my day to day life, or life in general from president to president. :shrug:

 
matuski said:
Honestly I don't really notice a difference in my day to day life, or life in general from president to president. :shrug:
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I would tend to agree but this is different. I plan to pull all of my money out of the market before the end of next week. I had assumed Hillary would win and I was going to sweat it out but after this latest news, I don't want to risk my nest egg with a potential correction due to a Trump win. Might even move into foreign currencies. What a jag off--so little upside and he has the potential to bring down our economy and our country. Can't believe we are where we are.

Best upside would come with a Trump loss but a movement to split off a third party to allow for traditional Republicans as well as tea-partyers. I think we need a viable third party.

 
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dschuler said:
The lower corporate tax rate will fix corporations from moving overseas or to Canada for tax benefits, which is needed as we currently have the highest in the world.
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Can you give some examples of these companies?  Do you think that companies would definitely undertake such moves given what I would guess is a likely reversion of tax rates in the future (maybe a flawed assumption) and the prevalence global supply chains and marketplaces?

asking out of genuine curiosity in the op's topic and since you have probably had the most tangible and coherent response in this thread.

 
Matthias said:
If you were gay you would. Gay rights moved very significantly under Obama and his SCOTUS appointees.

If you wait around 50 years you will. There are very different attitudes towards climate change that will reverberate effects louder and louder in the coming decades.

If you, or someone you know, is in the military you might. There's large differences president to president on approaches and abilities towards international disputes and how to resolve them. 

If you were 17 and about to start college you might. Especially if Sanders was running. And how much of your career taxes will go to past debt versus actual services you'll care about a lot.

As mentioned above if you had pre-existing medical conditions you would, especially for you were poor. There's been a number of stories of people who violently opposed obamacare until they found out it allowed them to get desperately needed, and in some cases life-saving, treatments.

Lots of what is done at the presidential level requires societal empathy or long-term vision as middle class/upper middle class white guys life is not particularly hard and nobody is going to make it particularly harder. That doesn't mean that they're all the same or what they do doesn't matter. Not by a long stretch.
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Obama didn't move on social issues until the movement moved him.  They could be slowed down by a different president, but inevitable imo.  Same with Obamacare (previously Romneycare) - this would have happened, it just would have been a different party taking credit.

Taxes will come and go (or stay)... I haven't seen any major swings in taxes.

Have we made any documented improvements regarding Climate Change under Obama?  As in have we shown we could slow it down?  How much did we slow it under this admin?

College tuition.. not sure what this has to do with the President.  Seems an issue more related to the Universities.

I have also never been a victim of a home intrusion or gun violence.  Having a Democrat President didn't change gun control much either.  :shrug:

The parties are two sides of a coin.. they just like to tell us how different heads and tails are.

 
You are conflating political campaign platforms with what actually happens.

On Climate Change.. I didn't ask for initiatives (I am aware, and again not denying effort), I asked for documented improvement on Climate Change.  All of those initiatives - quantify that for me.  

Romneycare's architects built Obamacare.  Yes, Healthcare Reform would have happened under one party or the other (it had to) - might have been done better had there not been obstruction.

I am not knocking anyone for nor underestimating the importance of all the progress we have made on social issues (gay marriage, etc).... I just don't credit the President for all of it. Obama himself underwent an "evolution" on his stance regarding Gay Marriage as a result of a groundswell change in public opinion.  Good for him being able to admit when he was wrong - but don't try to tell me he was carrying that banner for the movement.

They have to make it look like we are making a choice between vastly different parties - we simply aren't. @Matthias

 
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I declare that my day to day life and my life in general has been the same.  The evidence, across roughly the same tenure for both parties in my life supports it plenty. 20 years under 3 Republicans, 20 years under 3 Dems.

Obama's history on gay marriage has been inconsistent  - I credit him for coming around, but before DOMA and Prop 8, there was this.  Wishy washy didn't want to touch it... like every other politician on the left.

Obama supported legalizing same-sex marriage when he first ran for the Illinois Senate in 1996,[41] was undecided about legalizing same-sex marriage when he ran for re-election to the Illinois Senate in 1998,[42]and supported civil unions but not same-sex marriage when he ran for the U.S. Senate in 2004 and for U.S. President in 2008.[41] Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment which would have defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman, but stated in a 2008 interview that he personally believed that marriage is "between a man and a woman" and that he is "not in favor of gay marriage."[43] He supported civil unions that would establish legal standing equal to that of marriage for same-sex couples, but believed that decisions about the definition of marriage should be left to the states.[25][44][45]
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Climate Change - my point isn't that effort shouldn't be made.  I question whether the effort makes a difference.

Next October I will wake up and go about my day just like any other.  The new president will be a headline right next to the Spurs 3-0 start to the 2017  season. :thumbup:

 
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Gary Coal Man said:
In the event of an improbable Trump win, I expect a ripple effect to people of other nations that they too can overcome the long standing parties, societal narratives, and conspiring media that are no longer serving the best interests of the citizens.  Trump, the man, may be a donk, but his unlikely election coupled with the unlikely Brexit will likely inspire more people in other nations to go in a a direction that they secretly longed for, but did not previously think was possible given the establishment control.  

I know this will sound extreme to some, but it could have an effect like the East Germans rising up to demolish the Berlin Wall in 1989.  Just a year earlier that seemed inconceivable.  Yet that rebelling mindset quickly spread throughout the Eastern bloc and within a couple of years Soviet control over all those nations was lost.

Parties based on ideas that were thought doomed to fail just a few short years ago will rise in other nations, in part, based on inspiration from a Trump win (should that event transpire.)
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Now that Trump won, Europe's ruling class are even more petrified of the above stated Trump Effect.  Good.  Perhaps this will make them listen to their citizens' legitimate concerns more.

Merkel's conservatives warn of Trump effect in Germany

BERLIN (Reuters) - German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble and other conservatives warned on Thursday that populists would pose a problem for Europe unless mainstream politicians responded after Donald Trump's victory in the U.S. presidential election.

Trump's win has shaken many European lawmakers ahead of elections next year, including in France and Germany, where right-wing parties are expected to notch up big gains.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/merkels-conservatives-warn-trump-effect-germany-085547841--business.html

 
Meeting with Obama seemed to go very well. All sides said the right things and looked genuine. Obama looked happy. Trump seemed humbled. Crossing my fingers.

 
Ilov80s said:
Meeting with Obama seemed to go very well. All sides said the right things and looked genuine. Obama looked happy. Trump seemed humbled. Crossing my fingers.
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It's hard to imagine it happening any different. Obama talked about how gracious the Bush's were during their transition and said he was going to do the same. Different parties, same team. 

 
avoiding injuries said:
It's hard to imagine it happening any different. Obama talked about how gracious the Bush's were during their transition and said he was going to do the same. Different parties, same team. 
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I was more concerned about how Trump would handle it. He really seemed humbled. The meeting went 80 minutes longer than expected and Trump said Obama was a good man. 

 
In a sign of the tensions that remain after a bitter campaign, the White House did not arrange for the traditional photo-op between the current first couple and the incoming one.
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Trump had a positive meeting with GOP leaders. He said big league jobs are coming.  He has made serious labor promises to middle America, hope he comes through.

 
Ilov80s said:
I was more concerned about how Trump would handle it. He really seemed humbled. The meeting went 80 minutes longer than expected and Trump said Obama was a good man. 
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I saw a Trump interview regarding Obama from a few years ago I think.  He said then he thought Obama was a good man but that he doesn't really now how to be an executive.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
No, Trump actually lied about that.  Meeting was scheduled for an hour.
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Well then he doubled down on it in his 60 minutes interview. Could be a misunderstanding, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the WH blocked off an hour but Trump only planned on being there for a brief time. I don't think he's done much to earn the benefit of the doubt, but there are plausible explanations here. I know I've had meetings that I expected to be short but had to block off a larger chunk of time just in case. I've also had meetings where the 2 sides had different expectations on the length. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Well then he doubled down on it in his 60 minutes interview. Could be a misunderstanding, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the WH blocked off an hour but Trump only planned on being there for a brief time. I don't think he's done much to earn the benefit of the doubt, but there are plausible explanations here. I know I've had meetings that I expected to be short but had to block off a larger chunk of time just in case. I've also had meetings where the 2 sides had different expectations on the length. 
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You're spending far too much time thinking about this.

 
reel_smooth said:
The blindness of Koolaid-drinking left is astonishing. What has he lied about? What laws has he broken if he 'embodies' that? Lust for power? No - narcissistic? That'd be fair. And isn't this just like you Koolaid-drinkers in the Democrat Party: can't win an argument so let's pull out the insults. If you managed to read the entire post, Trump was never my first choice; I'm just not willing to vote to allow HRC access to the WH again. Heaven only knows what she'll steal when she leaves the next time ..... if we even still have a country by then. 

Hillary clearly lied about Benghazi, to the American people & the families of the survivors. She clearly lied about her e-mails on a private server while Secretary of State [which in and of itself is a felony], even though the DOJ opted against prosecuting her [can't imagine why; it's only a DOJ of the same party as her]. Then there's the Podesta hacked e-mails showing her collusion in sending paid protesters to Trump rallies. Not to mention taking money from countries like Saudi Arabia & Qatar the fund terrorism & violate human rights under the banner of Sharia Law. You want me to go on? There's more ................
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To be honest, the whole Trump thing started because he fed the lie about Obama's heritage. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I was more concerned about how Trump would handle it. He really seemed humbled. The meeting went 80 minutes longer than expected and Trump said Obama was a good man. 
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Hopefully all the "T"s were not removed from the White House computer keyboards.

 
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