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What is Steve Smith's (NYG) trade value? (1 Viewer)

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gianmarco

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Not very often a WR "comes out of nowhere" and puts up huge #'s to start a season. We saw Royal and DeSean last year get off to hot starts. We saw Braylon come out firing in 2007. But, even those guys, while they did well, were putting up #'s like some other WR's and ranked from 5th-10th at this point in the season.

S. Smith, on the other hand, is the #1 WR in any scoring format. He's put up big weeks all 4 weeks of the year. He's caught no fewer than 6 balls all 4 weeks. He's scored 3 out of the 4 weeks. He's 2nd only to Randy Moss in targets (45 vs. 44). He's also a 2nd round pick, coming into his 3rd year, and is playing for an established QB who will likely remain there for quite a few years.

Is he a flash in the pan? I can see some saying so, but there's LOTS of reasons to think he won't be.

So, what kind of trade value are you seeing for him? How much would you pay for him in a dynasty league? How much would it take for you to sell him? I've talked to several people about this guy and opinions seem to be all over the place. And, interestingly enough, there really is not that much buzz for this guy here in the Shark Pool despite being the clear SOD so far this year up until this point.

ETA--Added a couple of polls. Feel free to answer in your own post if you'd trade him away for VJax. For Colston? For Bowe? For Holmes?

 
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I would not trade this guy in a re-draft - he's on fire.

He could catch 120 balls.

He's Wes Welker but with a chance at 10+TD's

 
Steve Smith didn't come out of nowhere. He had some nice games during the Giants' SB run, so it's not a total shock that he emerged once the path opened up in front of him.

 
Steve Smith didn't come out of nowhere. He had some nice games during the Giants' SB run, so it's not a total shock that he emerged once the path opened up in front of him.
Meaning he wasn't a 1st round draft pick and I don't think he was a WR viewed as capable of taking over games as he has to this point. I don't think anyone viewed him as WR1 type ceiling. I also put it in quotes meaning I know he wasn't obscure and there were people that liked him but I doubt ANYONE envisioned what we've seen so far.
 
I don't think any player that went to USC and plays for New York qualities as obscure or "coming out of nowhere." What's next, he worked with Jerry Rice this summer? :eek:

It's hard to argue with Smith's production. I don't love his QB, and I'd be worried that his QB has a history of hot starts and bad finishes. That's about the only thing that would temper my enthusiasm, though.

 
I think the OP just wants to gauge his trade value. At this point I'd rank him around that Bowe, Boldin and maybe Jennings tier.

 
I think the OP just wants to gauge his trade value. At this point I'd rank him around that Bowe, Boldin and maybe Jennings tier.
Really? I'd put him well ahead of Bowe. I have Bowe and would trade him in a hearbeat for The New Steve Smith.
 
I think the OP just wants to gauge his trade value. At this point I'd rank him around that Bowe, Boldin and maybe Jennings tier.
Thats what im starting to think although i havent seen anyone to move those top tier guys for him. Most that are lucky enough to have him are sitting on him.
 
I was lucky enough to get him in the 15th round of a redraft league. Right now I would not trade him for ANY receiver. He is consistent and puts up the TD's. Moss has one more target than he does but Smith has 5 more catches and more yards and TD's than any other receiver. Why in the world would you trade him????????????????????????????????????

 
He was traded in my league before last weeks game for Benson
I have offers on the table for:Steve Smith + Shonn Greene + Caddy for Sjax + Derrick MasonSmith for Ronnie Brown straight up.Both are PPR Dynasty. All I have to do is accept. Good deals I know; however, I'm fairly deep at below average RBs (Rice, D. Brown, Bradshaw, Caddy, Shonn Greene, Taylor) and Smith is my last decent WR in a start 3 WR + 1 flex league. I have Fitz, Colston, Marshall. Crazy as it sounds I'm seriously considering standing pat.That should give you an idea of his worth. Right now it's either sell high now or you believe he is a stud. I'm leaning towards stud with Eli looking awesome and locking in on him. Basically it's his toomer only 10x as althetic.
 
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I think the OP just wants to gauge his trade value. At this point I'd rank him around that Bowe, Boldin and maybe Jennings tier.
Nice! Is Gianmarco in your league? Are you a frustrated Bowe owner? Seriously, I screwed up, waited a day late missed out on Smith and got Manningham instead
 
I don't think any player that went to USC and plays for New York qualities as obscure or "coming out of nowhere." What's next, he worked with Jerry Rice this summer? :confused:It's hard to argue with Smith's production. I don't love his QB, and I'd be worried that his QB has a history of hot starts and bad finishes. That's about the only thing that would temper my enthusiasm, though.
Chase, you say some of the oddest things that are backed by stats, but not backed by logic. Eli is consistent when you look at the caliber of defenses he plays, but he also has had extenuating circumstances as well such as an OL who was knocked out in the first quarter and then you have turnstile at RT or your top WR goes down and you are stuck with Amani Toomer (who I was telling everyone shouldn't even play, as your #1 WR) or you were facing the top defenses after a cake start.The points is that the Giants early schedule has been a cake walk and continues this Sunday, but if these games were in November Eli would be doing well. Your reading stats but not getting your head out of the book to see what is really happening.
 
He was traded in my league before last weeks game for Benson
I have offers on the table for:Steve Smith + Shonn Greene + Caddy for Sjax + Derrick MasonSmith for Ronnie Brown straight up.Both are PPR Dynasty. All I have to do is accept. Good deals I know; however, I'm fairly deep at below average RBs (Rice, D. Brown, Bradshaw, Caddy, Shonn Greene, Taylor) and Smith is my last decent WR in a start 3 WR + 1 flex league. I have Fitz, Colston, Marshall. Crazy as it sounds I'm seriously considering standing pat.That should give you an idea of his worth. Right now it's either sell high now or you believe he is a stud. I'm leaning towards stud with Eli looking awesome and locking in on him. Basically it's his toomer only 10x as althetic.
Seriously, can we keep this on SS trade value. A lot of people hijacking this thread.
 
I liked him last year, but I figured his ceiling to be a 60-70 catch, 4 TD, move-the-chains slot guy - nice WR3. I don't think anyone envisioned this.

I do try to temper my enthusiasm for these types of guys, though. Meaning I'm not trading Bowe / Boldin for him quite yet. Same thing with Mike Sims Walker - let's not get nuts and say MSW is worth Bowe-plus quite yet.

I did offer Royal for SS and was turned down, but that's about as high as I'm willing to go now. 4 weeks ago, the notion of getting Royal straight up for Smith was completely laughable. 4 weeks shouldn't totally reverse things in a dynasty league. But I could see why the Smith owner wants to hold, too. I'm likely holding him in the two leagues I own him in also.

 
I liked him last year, but I figured his ceiling to be a 60-70 catch, 4 TD, move-the-chains slot guy - nice WR3. I don't think anyone envisioned this.

I do try to temper my enthusiasm for these types of guys, though. Meaning I'm not trading Bowe / Boldin for him quite yet. Same thing with Mike Sims Walker - let's not get nuts and say MSW is worth Bowe-plus quite yet.

I did offer Royal for SS and was turned down, but that's about as high as I'm willing to go now. 4 weeks ago, the notion of getting Royal straight up for Smith was completely laughable. 4 weeks shouldn't totally reverse things in a dynasty league. But I could see why the Smith owner wants to hold, too. I'm likely holding him in the two leagues I own him in also.
:lmao: Jesus Christ
 
I liked him last year, but I figured his ceiling to be a 60-70 catch, 4 TD, move-the-chains slot guy - nice WR3. I don't think anyone envisioned this.

I do try to temper my enthusiasm for these types of guys, though. Meaning I'm not trading Bowe / Boldin for him quite yet. Same thing with Mike Sims Walker - let's not get nuts and say MSW is worth Bowe-plus quite yet.

I did offer Royal for SS and was turned down, but that's about as high as I'm willing to go now. 4 weeks ago, the notion of getting Royal straight up for Smith was completely laughable. 4 weeks shouldn't totally reverse things in a dynasty league. But I could see why the Smith owner wants to hold, too. I'm likely holding him in the two leagues I own him in also.
:lmao: Jesus Christ
yeah, seriously. royal is almost unrosterable. sit back and wait for royal. you'll be waiting for at least a year. you have no idea who the future QB is going to be.you have no idea what the fugure rotation at WR will be. what you do know is that Eli isn't losing his job barringi injury. that smith is the one producing and looking significantly better for the rest of the year.

smith is a 3rd-year wr. they tend to breakout then.

royal is a one-year wonder ... see michael claytong.

 
I liked him last year, but I figured his ceiling to be a 60-70 catch, 4 TD, move-the-chains slot guy - nice WR3. I don't think anyone envisioned this.

I do try to temper my enthusiasm for these types of guys, though. Meaning I'm not trading Bowe / Boldin for him quite yet. Same thing with Mike Sims Walker - let's not get nuts and say MSW is worth Bowe-plus quite yet.

I did offer Royal for SS and was turned down, but that's about as high as I'm willing to go now. 4 weeks ago, the notion of getting Royal straight up for Smith was completely laughable. 4 weeks shouldn't totally reverse things in a dynasty league. But I could see why the Smith owner wants to hold, too. I'm likely holding him in the two leagues I own him in also.
:lmao: Jesus Christ
I'm not sure many would trade him for the real Steve Smith at this point, let alone a guy with one good year and 1/4 of an horrendous year.
 
I liked him last year, but I figured his ceiling to be a 60-70 catch, 4 TD, move-the-chains slot guy - nice WR3. I don't think anyone envisioned this.

I do try to temper my enthusiasm for these types of guys, though. Meaning I'm not trading Bowe / Boldin for him quite yet. Same thing with Mike Sims Walker - let's not get nuts and say MSW is worth Bowe-plus quite yet.

I did offer Royal for SS and was turned down, but that's about as high as I'm willing to go now. 4 weeks ago, the notion of getting Royal straight up for Smith was completely laughable. 4 weeks shouldn't totally reverse things in a dynasty league. But I could see why the Smith owner wants to hold, too. I'm likely holding him in the two leagues I own him in also.
:lmao: Jesus Christ
yeah, seriously. royal is almost unrosterable. sit back and wait for royal. you'll be waiting for at least a year. you have no idea who the future QB is going to be.you have no idea what the fugure rotation at WR will be. what you do know is that Eli isn't losing his job barringi injury. that smith is the one producing and looking significantly better for the rest of the year.

smith is a 3rd-year wr. they tend to breakout then.

royal is a one-year wonder ... see michael claytong.
we are talking dynasty league, right? He's far from "unrosterable".ETA - I liked Royal a lot before the season. The kid clearly has talent. I went out of my way to get him in several leagues. I am not bailing or changing my opinion after 4 down weeks - they'll get it together there. Again, dynasty. In redraft, feel free to dump Royal.

Back to Smith - like I said, I liked him last year. And he's exceeded all expectations. If you are lucky enough to own him (and I have him in a few leagues), you should be excited, and hope it's for real / lasts. That he does indeed become a tier 1 guy. And he very well might. But as far as trade value right now? No, I'm not putting him in tier 1 yet. Or tier 2. And I'm not trading tier 1 or 2 guys for him yet.

 
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Some interesting responses so far. People are actually valuing him as a top 15 WR in dynasty it seems. Boldin? Bowe? Jennings? Really, you guys wouldn't move him for some of these guys?

 
I have him in a keerp league. I was offered Dorsett, Manningham & McCoy for Smith, Mendy & Felix. I declined.

 
(biased Smith owner)

He is the #1 receiver in a standard league and PPR league (by a wider margin in PPR). He is consistent every week. When do we just admit he's good?

 
I was lucky enough to get him in the 15th round of a redraft league. Right now I would not trade him for ANY receiver. He is consistent and puts up the TD's. Moss has one more target than he does but Smith has 5 more catches and more yards and TD's than any other receiver. Why in the world would you trade him????????????????????????????????????
;)
 
I have him in a redraft, off the top of my head...

Would trade him for these guys straight up in a nanosecond:

-Wayne

-Andre

-Moss

Would pause to think it through, but would PROBABLY trade him straight up for these guys:

-Megatron

-Colston

-Fitz

-DeSean

These guys would be intriguing, but I think as of this week I'd actually pass:

-Jennings

-VJax

And these guys wouldn't make for insulting offers, but again - pretty sure I'd rather just hold on Smith:

-Ochocinco

-Santonio

-Boldin

-Roddy

Everyone else = Not interested.

ETA: Moved DeSean up a tier and added Roddy to the last tier.

 
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I liked him last year, but I figured his ceiling to be a 60-70 catch, 4 TD, move-the-chains slot guy - nice WR3. I don't think anyone envisioned this.

I do try to temper my enthusiasm for these types of guys, though. Meaning I'm not trading Bowe / Boldin for him quite yet. Same thing with Mike Sims Walker - let's not get nuts and say MSW is worth Bowe-plus quite yet.

I did offer Royal for SS and was turned down, but that's about as high as I'm willing to go now. 4 weeks ago, the notion of getting Royal straight up for Smith was completely laughable. 4 weeks shouldn't totally reverse things in a dynasty league. But I could see why the Smith owner wants to hold, too. I'm likely holding him in the two leagues I own him in also.
:confused: Jesus Christ
yeah, seriously. royal is almost unrosterable. sit back and wait for royal. you'll be waiting for at least a year. you have no idea who the future QB is going to be.you have no idea what the fugure rotation at WR will be. what you do know is that Eli isn't losing his job barringi injury. that smith is the one producing and looking significantly better for the rest of the year.

smith is a 3rd-year wr. they tend to breakout then.

royal is a one-year wonder ... see michael claytong.
we are talking dynasty league, right? He's far from "unrosterable".ETA - I liked Royal a lot before the season. The kid clearly has talent. I went out of my way to get him in several leagues. I am not bailing or changing my opinion after 4 down weeks - they'll get it together there. Again, dynasty. In redraft, feel free to dump Royal.

Back to Smith - like I said, I liked him last year. And he's exceeded all expectations. If you are lucky enough to own him (and I have him in a few leagues), you should be excited, and hope it's for real / lasts. That he does indeed become a tier 1 guy. And he very well might. But as far as trade value right now? No, I'm not putting him in tier 1 yet. Or tier 2. And I'm not trading tier 1 or 2 guys for him yet.
you are going to be sorry in a year or two that you kept royal. trust me.
 
Smith came from nowhere? In guppy leagues... OK. Most of my leagues are dynasty leagues, but I drafted Smith in the 9th and 10th rounds of my two redraft leagues. A round or two after Cotchery.

This year I went for a top WR, and targeted both of these WR's late as consistant 5 to 6 catches per week guys with some TD's. There was no doubt in my mind that these two would get points every week, consistantly. The Giants lost Burress and Toomer. Smith was the clear choice to step up. The Jets lost Coles... same thing for Cotchery, albiet with a rookie QB.

I have to wonder about these leagues where people say they got Smith on waivers after weeks 1 or 2. Only idiot leagues would have left Smith undrafted. Smith and Cotchery... both run good routes, both have good hands, both filled voids after their teams lost their leading WR. No brainer under valued draft picks.

Back on topic, I'd trade Smith and an RB like Slaton for Adrian Peterson and a WR like Driver or S Moss, but no way straight up for any of the mentioned WR's. Smith is a weekly payroll direct deposit into my weekly scoring summary. Money in the bank.

 
I've thought about offering Jennings for him in a redraft...I don't know if or why the other owner would take that deal.

 
I was lucky enough to get him in the 15th round of a redraft league. Right now I would not trade him for ANY receiver. He is consistent and puts up the TD's. Moss has one more target than he does but Smith has 5 more catches and more yards and TD's than any other receiver. Why in the world would you trade him????????????????????????????????????
:confused:
Probably a bit crazy, but it isn't always the most talented WR who posts the best numbers. I think Smith has peaked because he was under the radar and I think he will see more double teams and better corners. Smith will end up with top 5 stats, but i think from week 5-17 his numbers will be top 10ish.
 
I have him in a redraft, off the top of my head...Would trade him for these guys straight up in a nanosecond:-Wayne-Andre-MossWould pause to think it through, but would PROBABLY trade him straight up for these guys:-Megatron-Colston-FitzThese guys would be intriguing, but I think as of this week I'd actually pass: -DeSean-Jennings-VJaxAnd these guys wouldn't make for insulting offers, but again - pretty sure I'd rather just hold on Smith:-Ochocinco-Santonio-BoldinEveryone else = Not interested.
Agree with all except Colston.....I wouldn't trade Smith for Colston.....NO spreads the ball too much.Otherwise, this posting is spot on. Puts Smith in the top 6 WR category going forward
 
I have him in a redraft, off the top of my head...Would trade him for these guys straight up in a nanosecond:-Wayne-Andre-MossWould pause to think it through, but would PROBABLY trade him straight up for these guys:-Megatron-Colston-Fitz-DeSeanThese guys would be intriguing, but I think as of this week I'd actually pass: -Jennings-VJaxAnd these guys wouldn't make for insulting offers, but again - pretty sure I'd rather just hold on Smith:-Ochocinco-Santonio-Boldin-RoddyEveryone else = Not interested.ETA: Moved DeSean up a tier and added Roddy to the last tier.
I might quibble a little about DeSean's tier, but otherwise, this post sums up my feelings dead bang.
 
In a redraft, I offered Smith after week 2 for Romo and got turned down. Offered Smith for Knowshon after week 3 and got turned down. Romo's owner came calling today, but I'm not sure I'd trade him for both of those guys together at this point.

 
I have him in a redraft, off the top of my head...Would trade him for these guys straight up in a nanosecond:-Wayne-Andre-MossWould pause to think it through, but would PROBABLY trade him straight up for these guys:-Megatron-Colston-Fitz-DeSeanThese guys would be intriguing, but I think as of this week I'd actually pass: -Jennings-VJaxAnd these guys wouldn't make for insulting offers, but again - pretty sure I'd rather just hold on Smith:-Ochocinco-Santonio-Boldin-RoddyEveryone else = Not interested.ETA: Moved DeSean up a tier and added Roddy to the last tier.
Not even for the real Steve Smith? :goodposting:
 
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I have him in a redraft, off the top of my head...Would trade him for these guys straight up in a nanosecond:-Wayne-Andre-MossWould pause to think it through, but would PROBABLY trade him straight up for these guys:-Megatron-Colston-Fitz-DeSeanThese guys would be intriguing, but I think as of this week I'd actually pass: -Jennings-VJaxAnd these guys wouldn't make for insulting offers, but again - pretty sure I'd rather just hold on Smith:-Ochocinco-Santonio-Boldin-RoddyEveryone else = Not interested.ETA: Moved DeSean up a tier and added Roddy to the last tier.
I definitely appreciate this post. However, I wonder how much this changes in a dynasty format. Care to elaborate?
 
I have S. Smith (NYG) in one league. I would trade him for AJ, Moss, Fitz, Wayne, Colston, CJ without question.

I am really more interested in what RB I could get for him. In the league that I own him, I also own Wayne, and S. Smith (CAR). After picking up J. Knox and Mike Sims-Walker I have been thinking about shopping one of my top WR's for a upgrade at RB.

 
I have S. Smith (NYG) in one league. I would trade him for AJ, Moss, Fitz, Wayne, Colston, CJ without question. I am really more interested in what RB I could get for him. In the league that I own him, I also own Wayne, and S. Smith (CAR). After picking up J. Knox and Mike Sims-Walker I have been thinking about shopping one of my top WR's for a upgrade at RB.
Here are two offers i received in PPR dyansty. Mulling them both: I have offers on the table for:Steve Smith + Shonn Greene + Caddy for Sjax + Derrick MasonSmith for Ronnie Brown straight up.
 
I have S. Smith (NYG) in one league. I would trade him for AJ, Moss, Fitz, Wayne, Colston, CJ without question. I am really more interested in what RB I could get for him. In the league that I own him, I also own Wayne, and S. Smith (CAR). After picking up J. Knox and Mike Sims-Walker I have been thinking about shopping one of my top WR's for a upgrade at RB.
Here are two offers i received in PPR dyansty. Mulling them both: I have offers on the table for:Steve Smith + Shonn Greene + Caddy for Sjax + Derrick MasonSmith for Ronnie Brown straight up.
In a PPR Dynasty, I would go with the 2nd offer. I don't know your WR situation but Smith (NYG) for Ronnie Brown sounds like a pretty good offer. The first trade is not bad but Greene looked good when he played. Caddy has also looked ok so far. Mason is likely going to retire after the season and Sjax(talented) plays for STL.
 
WAS , DAL (4th worst pass D), TAM, KC (5th worst pass D).
Washington and especially Tampa Bay are also in the bottom half of the league in pass defense. This is why I think Smith is a sell high candidate this week or next in redraft leagues. He has been outstanding in terms of yards, TDs, and receptions. However, as noted above, he has done this against poor defenses and may have surprised them. We may start to see opposing defenses game plan for him. Additionally, the foot injury to Manning is a concern.I'm thinking of targeting Colston, Fitz, and Boldin in straight up or package deals.

I'm targeting these guys because they are proven talents on pass first offenses and have nice playoff schedules against soft defenses in dome/warm weather stadiums. Below are their opponents in weeks 14-16 (DVOA rank against the pass from FO in parenthesis):

Fitz/Boldin: @SF (9), @DET (32), STL (29)

Colston:@DAL (27), CIN (14), @TEN (30)

Smith's playoff schedule isn't terrible, but isn't as cushy as the above, and the first two could be in poor weather conditions in which the Giants may try to lean on Jacobs/Bradshaw rather than Manning's arm:

(wks 14-16): PHI (3), @WAS (21), CAR (17)

The other advantage to trading for the above guys is that if you trade after this weekend, they have all seen their byes and you can plug and play for the rest of the season. Smith's bye is in week 10, so you'll need to plug someone in for him that week.

ETA: of course, this all depends on the Fitz/Boldin/Colston owners actually wanting Smith, which may not be the case.

 
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I have S. Smith (NYG) in one league. I would trade him for AJ, Moss, Fitz, Wayne, Colston, CJ without question. I am really more interested in what RB I could get for him. In the league that I own him, I also own Wayne, and S. Smith (CAR). After picking up J. Knox and Mike Sims-Walker I have been thinking about shopping one of my top WR's for a upgrade at RB.
Here are two offers i received in PPR dyansty. Mulling them both: I have offers on the table for:Steve Smith + Shonn Greene + Caddy for Sjax + Derrick MasonSmith for Ronnie Brown straight up.
In a PPR Dynasty, I would go with the 2nd offer. I don't know your WR situation but Smith (NYG) for Ronnie Brown sounds like a pretty good offer. The first trade is not bad but Greene looked good when he played. Caddy has also looked ok so far. Mason is likely going to retire after the season and Sjax(talented) plays for STL.
I was thinking that. My WR situation is good Colston, Marshall, Fitz. I am in a start 3 WR + 1 flex. I have zilch after those guys so it's hard to trade smith cause i start him every week with 4WR and then I still can go a decent 3WR for bye weeks.However, I do feel SS for Brown is a fair offer upfront. As for other RBs, I think you could trade him for many of the top 5-10 rbs right now. I've been not having a problem getting offers. I think even the top 5 are possible in package deals.
 
I just got offered Moreno straight up for him. Can't quite decide if Moreno is on par with the Ronnie Brown offer above.

 
I don't think his trade value could be any higher than it is right now.....if I wanted to trade for Smith I would wait a couple of weeks and see if he comes back to earth...if he does not you will be paying the same price two weeks from now anyway

 
I just gave up Romo for Steve Smith. My team is 2-2 and I'm lucky to be there. I'm desperate at WR and I'm willing to gamble to salvage this season.

Romo has been awful. Including week 1 where he got some lucky breaks against TB.

I may regret it, but I'm rolling with Garrard + Steve Smith.

 
On the flip side, I was offered Moreno, is it time to sell high now? I've got Portis starting in his place, but right now seems to be a good time to get Moreno before he starts busting out into a top 8 RB.

 

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