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What is the longest Rookie holdout? (1 Viewer)
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Whiplash Inc.
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I wish we had never drafted the guy.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Russell has a leg to stand on regarding his demands. Similarly, it was a mistake for them to not have parameters for the contract in place before the draft.
videoguy505
Footballguy
No one learned from the Texans example. Of course, they had to take Mario because he was the only one who could get an agreement in place, but, at least they got someone on the field week 1.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
LaDainian Tomlinson missed all of training camp his rookie season due to a holdout.
Bryant McKinnie held out well into his rookie season.
Philip Rivers and Quentin Jammer I think had long holdouts also. 3 Chargers named that sure is a tough organization.
Bryant McKinnie held out well into his rookie season.
Philip Rivers and Quentin Jammer I think had long holdouts also. 3 Chargers named that sure is a tough organization.
Ozymandias
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Tough decision.
Having to choose between the poorhouse and being raped by a 77 year old.
Having to choose between the poorhouse and being raped by a 77 year old.
Usually the Raiders get their picks signed on time, even the ones with difficult agents. My presumption is that Russell doesn't want to be a Raider and so he isn't willing to budge on the money.
I think the Raiders should consider talking to Atlanta or Detroit about a trade. Russell for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year, if that is even feasible.
I think the Raiders should consider talking to Atlanta or Detroit about a trade. Russell for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd next year, if that is even feasible.
nygiants56
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not so fast, my friend. Look, he's not going to be effective this season, at least not right away.Most if not all QB's need 2-3 years before the light goes on,so to speak.Carson Palmer didn't see the light until his third year if I'm not mistaken.there is no reason for him to be in camp just so he can sit around for a year holding a clipboard while sitting on the sidelines..I mean,you'd like to get his feet wet and throw him in there from day one, but,the Raiders don't need him,this season,they are not winning anything, anytime soon..thats is probably the defense that Russell is using right now..that he isn't going to play in 2007, so what's the rush to sign him?he has tremendous value over the course of the next decade, imo..it sucks that as a Raider fan, you have to sit thru the BS right now, but in the end, it could be WELL worth the wait!
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not so fast, my friend. Look, he's not going to be effective this season, at least not right away.Most if not all QB's need 2-3 years before the light goes on,so to speak.Carson Palmer didn't see the light until his third year if I'm not mistaken.there is no reason for him to be in camp just so he can sit around for a year holding a clipboard while sitting on the sidelines..I mean,you'd like to get his feet wet and throw him in there from day one, but,the Raiders don't need him,this season,they are not winning anything, anytime soon..thats is probably the defense that Russell is using right now..that he isn't going to play in 2007, so what's the rush to sign him?he has tremendous value over the course of the next decade, imo..it sucks that as a Raider fan, you have to sit thru the BS right now, but in the end, it could be WELL worth the wait!
Ministry of Pain
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mad sweeney
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I disagree with you. Carson sat out his first year watching Jon Kitna and benefitting of a pressure free first season of training camp and practice before he ever saw the field. That's an invaluable year to learn the system without being thrown to the wolves. jaMarcus missing all of this training camp and preseason work, plus regular season practice will push back when he hits his stride. Palmer just didn't take the first year off, he was learning the whole time. JaMarcus is stunting his growth. His 2-3 years to see the light can't start until he he gets into the Raiders' camp.not so fast, my friend. Look, he's not going to be effective this season, at least not right away.Most if not all QB's need 2-3 years before the light goes on,so to speak.Carson Palmer didn't see the light until his third year if I'm not mistaken.there is no reason for him to be in camp just so he can sit around for a year holding a clipboard while sitting on the sidelines..I mean,you'd like to get his feet wet and throw him in there from day one, but,the Raiders don't need him,this season,they are not winning anything, anytime soon..thats is probably the defense that Russell is using right now..that he isn't going to play in 2007, so what's the rush to sign him?he has tremendous value over the course of the next decade, imo..it sucks that as a Raider fan, you have to sit thru the BS right now, but in the end, it could be WELL worth the wait!
You have to question the intelligence of holding out, when the preseason is the only time he will likely see live action this year. To me, his salary should go down the longer he holds out. His value to the team is reduced because he isn't there learning. The longer he holds out, the longer it is before he can be a starter.
How is his marketability impacted? He could likely have easily made back any shortfalls on his guaranteed money through marketing of his image and through endorsements.
Where does he get drafted next year? In the teens?
How is his marketability impacted? He could likely have easily made back any shortfalls on his guaranteed money through marketing of his image and through endorsements.
Where does he get drafted next year? In the teens?
If the Raiders would quit dicking him around, then there wouldn't be a problem. All he's asking for is the going rate for #1 picks. If the Raiders didn't want to pony up the money, they shouldn't have traded down and drafted out of a different spot. This has been stated many many times already.
Shadowfax
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It's my understanding both sides are dicking around. Oakland has reportedly offered $58m, with $28m guaranteed. Russell is asking for at least $60m with $30-32 guaranteed. Neither are willing to budge. If this is true, it's f'n ridiculous. I'm getting more and more convinced that Russell never wanted to be a Raider and if he is, he wants the max money possible. I checked some history and the guaranteed portion has shot up in the past couple years. 2003-Carson Palmer - $15m2004-Eli Manning - $20m2005-Alex Smith - $24m2006-Mario Williams - $26.5
3nOut
Footballguy
and then 
Chadstroma
Footballguy
He certainly will not be #1 next year, that is for dang sure. The guy is putting himself in a bad position. Either he gains a couple more million in what he wants but misses all of camp and pre-season (some season?) and is behind the 8 ball on learning the NFL game or he continues to sit out and does not sign missing out on millions and millions of dollars. Where is the win in this for him? It is not like the Raiders are low balling him. I am not understanding this at all.
Varmint
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Not quite...As I remember, the great #7 was drafted by the Colts and at the same time was drafted by the NY Yankees to play baseball.
and then 
some more... and forced a trade. Just like Eli Manning.
He said that rather play with a team in the Eastern part of the US (specifically, the Colts) he would play baseball in the Yankees farm system (all teams on the East Coast) and wait to enter the draft next year.
The Colts saw themselves getting nothing unless they traded...so they did...with the Denver Broncos (thank God)....and the rest....is HIS...TO.....RY....
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