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what is the scam here- Solar Panels (1 Viewer)

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So im at my daugters soccer tournament this morning and this lady from vernego solar starts chatting me up. Anyway, the pitch is that they will install solar panels on my house reducing my cost of electric 50-70% for free. Not one penny is on me.

She says that the electric company will pick up 100% because of some initiative they have to meet by 2030.

I give my name and number but I know that nothing is free. Do they roll the cost into my electric bill for the next x amount of years. Just wondering if I should even pick up when they call

 
If I understand it correctly, the 'scam' is that they get the savings from the government (like a home loan), since they are paying for the equipment.

 
Usually it's a roofing company that does it, and you sign a form saying that in return for the free panels and installation they get all of the government and possibly electric company incentives. Then they also do basic repairs, but if you need roofing help you obviously go through them. And you can't take the panels down later until they get all their incentives, or I think it's like 20 years.

But if you have a good house with southern exposure and such, it can definitely be worth it as the cost acids can be considerable. But there's things to think about.

 
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/solar-at-home/2011/08/22/can-you-really-get-solar-panels-installed-for-free/

a company such asSunRun or SolarCity installs panels on your roof at its expense and, in exchange, collects the government subsidies.

Installing panels is so financially advantageous that SunRun can split the benefits with you and still turn a tidy profit. That profit would be all yours if you paid for the array yourself, as I did. The SunRun representative, Kelcy Pegler, Jr., of Roof Diagnostics (a local installer that SunRun contracts with), was very upfront about this: “Your return will always be better off buying it.” But then you’d need to float the cost and take the risks.
 
We got a call like this for one of our businesses in CA. Even though it seemed legit after vetting I still declined because I believe handouts like this hurt everybody. If nobody says no to "getting theirs," then the brutal taxes and corruption will only get worse. Ethically it feels wrong to participate.

 
johnnyrock62000 said:
We got a call like this for one of our businesses in CA. Even though it seemed legit after vetting I still declined because I believe handouts like this hurt everybody. If nobody says no to "getting theirs," then the brutal taxes and corruption will only get worse. Ethically it feels wrong to participate.
It's not a handout - here in Los Angeles it's a stated goal of the LADWP to get solar to 10% of the city's energy production by 2020.

 
johnnyrock62000 said:
We got a call like this for one of our businesses in CA. Even though it seemed legit after vetting I still declined because I believe handouts like this hurt everybody. If nobody says no to "getting theirs," then the brutal taxes and corruption will only get worse. Ethically it feels wrong to participate.
huh? It saves the govt money too. Its a win win win
 
johnnyrock62000 said:
We got a call like this for one of our businesses in CA. Even though it seemed legit after vetting I still declined because I believe handouts like this hurt everybody. If nobody says no to "getting theirs," then the brutal taxes and corruption will only get worse. Ethically it feels wrong to participate.
It's not a handout - here in Los Angeles it's a stated goal of the LADWP to get solar to 10% of the city's energy production by 2020.
Now that I think about it the program was HVAC related and they were promising utility savings, sight-unseen. I have the docs at work. I'll post details when I find the emails from the offering company.
 
Talked with a rep today, set up an expert call for tomorrow. I'll listen.

I said I assume I sign away all of my subsidy. Sales guy replied, not the whole thing. The subsidy gets rolled into the monthly bill keeping it low.

Thank you to the guys who posted here. Allowed me to be more informed

 
I am just scratching the surface on this. So far I've heard that despite the solar co owning the panels I can get a new roof or tax deduction on a new roof with an install. Got a lot of big trees so I wonder how much juice they can even squeeze out.

 
I am just scratching the surface on this. So far I've heard that despite the solar co owning the panels I can get a new roof or tax deduction on a new roof with an install. Got a lot of big trees so I wonder how much juice they can even squeeze out.
guy I talked with said they usually can help with tree removal cost as I have two he said were impacting
 
I am just scratching the surface on this. So far I've heard that despite the solar co owning the panels I can get a new roof or tax deduction on a new roof with an install. Got a lot of big trees so I wonder how much juice they can even squeeze out.
guy I talked with said they usually can help with tree removal cost as I have two he said were impacting
There not a lot I wouldn't do for a new roof and a few removed trees.
 
johnnyrock62000 said:
We got a call like this for one of our businesses in CA. Even though it seemed legit after vetting I still declined because I believe handouts like this hurt everybody. If nobody says no to "getting theirs," then the brutal taxes and corruption will only get worse. Ethically it feels wrong to participate.
huh? It saves the govt money too. Its a win win win
I'd like to see proof that the incentives are recouped by the government. In fact, I'd be shocked if they were anywhere close.

 
Saw this article today, posted by a friend whose company works with companies to raise funds for solar projects.

Single-Family Residential Solar Power Investment Beats S&P 500 in Most US CitiesPierre Bull, NRDC
January 19, 2015If I were a newsboy, here's the headline I'd shout out on the street corner this afternoon: "Single-family solar power beats Standard & Poor's 500, in 46 out of 50 American cities!"

In fact, a just-released report finds that for owners of single-family homes, solar power's likely a better investment than plunking hard-earned cash into the Standards & Poor's 500 stock index; that index has returned about 6.6 percent per year over the last 25 years. The report, Going Solar in America: Ranking Solar's Value to Consumers in America's Largest Cities, doesn't just detail the benefits of homeowners' investment in solar, either. It also walks them through the process of evaluating what a solar purchase can do for their personal bottom line. And it connects them to resources like EnergySage and Geostellar that can help them find solar installers and financing at competitive prices.

But maybe the report's most important contribution is its finding that in 46 of the country's 50 largest cities, buying an average-sized, 5-kilowatt solar power system for a single-family home and financing it at 5 percent over 25 years is the smart financial move for people looking to cut their electric bills and get profitable and stable returns on their investments. If the environmental, public health and job-creation benefits weren't enough, we can now add financial gain as another reason that solar makes "cents."
Of course, you might wonder how this is even possible, given what we hear all the time from some politicians about the high cost of renewable energy.

Well, to begin with, as Going Solar documents, the price of solar has nosedived in recent years. That's thanks, in large part, to government policy support that we have worked so hard to advance. These government incentives have spurred demand, sped economies of scale, and driven both investments in technology and competition in the marketplace. So low is the cost of residential solar these days that the average, 5-kW system can be had, depending on where you live, for about the same price (financed) as a new Toyota Corolla — $16,000-22,000. Already, the price of solar has gotten so low that solar power is cheaper than grid-supplied electricity in 42 of the largest U.S. 50 cities, again assuming a solar system is financed at 5 percent over its presumed 25-year lifespan, Going Solar's authors found. (If you were to buy a system outright, i.e. "all cash," solar would achieve what we wonks call "grid parity" — solar power at the same cost as grid electricity — in 14 out of these same 50 cities.)

To better understand why solar's such a good financial investment, you can add to all that improving state and local government policies in areas such as interconnection (hooking systems up to the grid), net metering (selling excess electricity to the grid at a fair price), and permitting that have helped bring prices down and have further roomr improvement.

Of course, if you're not a homeowner but a tenant, or you're a homeowner whose property can't accommodate solar, increasingly, there's no need to feel left out. A growing number of states are changing their laws and policies to make possible shared, offsite solar installations that are sometimes called "solar gardens" or "community solar." Shared solar enables tenants and others--low-income people as well as middle-class households--to jointly own or subscribe to, sometimes on a month-to-month basis, solar power systems that tap into the clean and profitable power of the sun.

What's good for our wallets is also good for us as a society, in this case. Residential solar systems and community solar can help utilities, states and regions cut, at a low cost, the carbon pollution that causes global warming, and comply cost-effectively with the EPA's plan to limit greenhouse gas pollution from existing power plants.

No matter how you pay for it, though, solar's a great investment for all of us these days — an investment in our financial future and in the well-being of our kids and our planet. That's news worth shouting from every street corner.
 
We got a call like this for one of our businesses in CA. Even though it seemed legit after vetting I still declined because I believe handouts like this hurt everybody. If nobody says no to "getting theirs," then the brutal taxes and corruption will only get worse. Ethically it feels wrong to participate.
Do you take tax deductions when you file?

 
Well, to begin with, as Going Solar documents, the price of solar has nosedived in recent years. That's thanks, in large part, to government policy support that we have worked so hard to advance. These government incentives have spurred demand, sped economies of scale, and driven both investments in technology and competition in the marketplace.
Hang on. I thought we wasted money there?
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- Last year, about a quarter of new power generation capacity was from solar – second only to natural gas.

- Growing deployment, led in large part by the utility sector, has driven down costs: Over the last three years, the cost of a solar energy system has dropped by more than 50 percent – helping to give more and more American families and businesses access to affordable, clean energy.

- Since the President took office, America has increased its electricity generation from solar more than ten-fold and tripled electricity production from wind power.

- Since the President took office, the Department of Energy has already put in place appliance efficiency standards that will save American consumers nearly $450 billion on their utility bills through 2030.
 

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