What is the STATE of the TAMPA BAY BUCS (1 Viewer)

[uconnalum]

Glazers are 46 million under the cap. They could of easily acquired Marshall for the asking price. Denver called the BUCS first before trading them to the AFC East Dolphins. There is nobody on there roster that is worth big money. Marshall would of greatly improved there team. Why aren't the Glazers putting big money into this franchise. Fans are not filling the stands and I don't blame them. Does anybody really know what is going on with the BUCS are the Glazers hurting that bad financially with Man U that it is impacting the BUCS also. DeBartolo should make a run at buying the BUCS I'm sure the NFL would welcome him back.

 

[Donsmith753]

With the 1st Pick of the 2011 NFL Draft, The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select......

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

 

[Grahamburn]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

 

[Grahamburn]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

The Glazer's went out and paid a king's ransom for Jon Gruden when they felt they had the talent to win a championship that Tony Dungy couldn't bring to Tampa. They were extremely successful in that regard. They've been bringing in free agents here for years with limited success. I think they're tired of going 9-7 and getting knocked out in the first round of they playoffs. Time to rebuild. In the NFL you do that through the draft.

 

[bucsbaby]

Pretty sad to see the Bucs not adding any pieces through free agency. Hopefully the draft goes well...

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

You have to do SOMETHING in free agency, Buliding thru the draft is fine IF you can draft, but the Bucs can't. The draft history over the last ten years is HORRID.

I'm not saying they should have traded for Marshall (Although, I would have). They do need some talent, the biggest FA signing in the last two years was Byron Leftwitch. An ucapped year, with no spening floor is the worst thing that couls happen to Bucs' fans.

The NFL is more than just a business, when the community is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build stadiums, ownership has a responsibilty to try a field a competitive team. The Glazers no longer care about anything but the bottom line.

 

[vandyt]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

You have to do SOMETHING in free agency, Buliding thru the draft is fine IF you can draft, but the Bucs can't. The draft history over the last ten years is HORRID. \

What would you have done?

 

[Avery]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

You have to do SOMETHING in free agency, Buliding thru the draft is fine IF you can draft, but the Bucs can't. The draft history over the last ten years is HORRID. \

What would you have done?

A 4th for Holmes?

 

[Grahamburn]

A 4th for Holmes?

How does a pothead that is suspended for the first four games of the year help a young rebuilding team?The people in charge of those horrid drafts over the last ten years are no longer here. The 2009 draft is looking promising so far.

 

[vandyt]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

You have to do SOMETHING in free agency, Buliding thru the draft is fine IF you can draft, but the Bucs can't. The draft history over the last ten years is HORRID. \

What would you have done?

A 4th for Holmes?

The WR in Stage 2 of the NFL's Drug program who is facing a 4 game suspension to start the 2010 season, who is in the last year of his contract and has openly stated a desire to play in a larger market (Tampa being one of the smallest in the NFL)?I'm not sure if a 4th round pick is worth 12 games of Holmes, but I can certainly see why the Bucs management wouldn't have done that.

 

[Buffaloes]

Could be worse...they could be the Bills.

 

[gump]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.There is no question that something is going on financially related to ManU....but the Glazers have PROVEN they know how build a success on and off the field in the NFL. IMO...they saw a bleak future and decided to strip the team to the floor and completely rebuild...passing on meaningless at-once expenditures along the way...but understand as well as any owner that ultimately you need to win to make money, and will refocus on that in the future.

 

[uconnalum]

Well remember they would of only had to pay Marshall 2.5 million this year and if he didn't pan out they could of traded him toward the deadline for picks or in the offseason for picks. 104, 102 and 101 catches the past three seasons can surely help your team. Ask Josh Freeman who he would rather be throwing the ball to Marshall or Clayton. Clayton will be making more money this year than Brandon Marshall.

 

[Avery]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

You have to do SOMETHING in free agency, Buliding thru the draft is fine IF you can draft, but the Bucs can't. The draft history over the last ten years is HORRID. \

What would you have done?

A 4th for Holmes?

The WR in Stage 2 of the NFL's Drug program who is facing a 4 game suspension to start the 2010 season, who is in the last year of his contract and has openly stated a desire to play in a larger market (Tampa being one of the smallest in the NFL)?I'm not sure if a 4th round pick is worth 12 games of Holmes, but I can certainly see why the Bucs management wouldn't have done that.

I must have missed where Holmes said he wanted to play in a larger market.It's purely theoretical, and not to pull up the glorious history of 4th round gems that the Bucs have drafted, but from the Bucs point of view why not take a risk on a WR of Holmes caliber? Maybe they could sign him to an incentive laden extension.

All they'd be giving up is another 4th round disappointment and have a chance of giving Freeman another target outside of Winslow to grow with.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.There is no question that something is going on financially related to ManU....but the Glazers have PROVEN they know how build a success on and off the field in the NFL. IMO...they saw a bleak future and decided to strip the team to the floor and completely rebuild...passing on meaningless at-once expenditures along the way...but understand as well as any owner that ultimately you need to win to make money, and will refocus on that in the future.

You don't need to win to make money. All you need to do is get the taxpayers to build you a stadium with luxury boxes, cash your revenue sharing checks and watch the value of your franchise grow much faster than anything else you can do with your money.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

I don't see how trading two early picks and giving that knucklehead and cancer the richest WR contract in history helps this franchise.

This team isn't one player away from being a major contender for a championship, but they are an extremely young team that is going to build through the 2010 draft, and build on some of the success they showed late last season starting the young talent already on the roster.

They're giving their players time to develop chemistry and gel as a team. In a couple years when they are one or two players away from making a run then that's the time to go after free agents.

If you spend big now you simply hamstring the franchise in the future. I've said in another thread that the NFL is a business. The Glazer's are businessmen. It doesn't do them any good to spend near the cap when the team is playing poorly and continues to lose. A $10 million per year contract to Brandon Marshall might have made this team 8-8, but they wouldn't be a title contender, they'd be out two more young players, and the Glazer's would be out some serious cash.

You have to do SOMETHING in free agency, Buliding thru the draft is fine IF you can draft, but the Bucs can't. The draft history over the last ten years is HORRID. \

What would you have done?

To start with I'd have traded for Boldin. I would also consider giving up a fifth for Holmes. I'd have signed Anthony Hargrove to a offer sheet. I'd have signed Arron Kampman, I'd be on the phone with the Saints about Jamaal Brown, I'd be on the phone to the Skins about Haynesworth.

 

[gump]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.There is no question that something is going on financially related to ManU....but the Glazers have PROVEN they know how build a success on and off the field in the NFL. IMO...they saw a bleak future and decided to strip the team to the floor and completely rebuild...passing on meaningless at-once expenditures along the way...but understand as well as any owner that ultimately you need to win to make money, and will refocus on that in the future.

You don't need to win to make money. All you need to do is get the taxpayers to build you a stadium with luxury boxes, cash your revenue sharing checks and watch the value of your franchise grow much faster than anything else you can do with your money.

I think they understand that the franchise value will be flatlining and the luxury box revenue (which they don't share) is dwindling quickly...if they continue down this path. Maybe they are in a financial situation that won't allow any spending right now...but again they have proven they know how to build a winner on and off the field.How many NFL owners have accomplished more at this point? This list is short...so they are clearly not grouped into 'some of the worst ownership in league history'.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.

If you're resorting to things like "changing the uniform" to prove why you don't have some of the worst ownership, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.You passed on an entire decade of great draft choices and one of the best defenses in league history to mention that they changed their uniforms?

 

[gump]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.

If you're resorting to things like "changing the uniform" to prove why you don't have some of the worst ownership, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.You passed on an entire decade of great draft choices and one of the best defenses in league history to mention that they changed their uniforms?

In the Bucs case, the uniform change had a signficant impact. It changed the entire attitude of the team and town...and reaped $ rewards...with the team moving from the bottom 5 of the league in Licensed Sales to ranking consistently between 8-15.We've seen other teams change uniforms without such an impact.I didn't mention the draft picks because I was isolating Ownership decisions.

 

[ffldrew]

Manchester United needs the money.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.

If you're resorting to things like "changing the uniform" to prove why you don't have some of the worst ownership, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.You passed on an entire decade of great draft choices and one of the best defenses in league history to mention that they changed their uniforms?

I must have missed the "entire decade of great draft choices" could you bring up to speed on that please.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

The Glazer's went out and paid a king's ransom for Jon Gruden when they felt they had the talent to win a championship that Tony Dungy couldn't bring to Tampa. They were extremely successful in that regard. They've been bringing in free agents here for years with limited success. I think they're tired of going 9-7 and getting knocked out in the first round of they playoffs. Time to rebuild. In the NFL you do that through the draft.

So you think the Bucs are better off having fired Dungy and giving up two 1st rounders, 2 second rounders and $7,000,000 than they would have been keeping Dungy?

 

[gump]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.

If you're resorting to things like "changing the uniform" to prove why you don't have some of the worst ownership, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.You passed on an entire decade of great draft choices and one of the best defenses in league history to mention that they changed their uniforms?

I must have missed the "entire decade of great draft choices" could you bring up to speed on that please.

I'm sure he's referring to Sapp, Brooks, Sapp, Barber, Dunn, Alstott, Abraham, Al Harris, Brian Kelly, Booger, Dexter Jackson, Dwight Smith, etc...all contributing to the SB Championship (except Harris). There were plenty of misses as well. But I personally wasn't lumping the successes or misses into the ownership responsibility.

 

[Topes]

FLORIDA

(What do I win?)

 

[Raiderfan32904]

FLORIDA(What do I win?)

A chance to dodge old geezers who can't drive worth a crap...a panhandler asking for beer money on every corner....you win a chance to have your kids go to crappy schools, you win an opportunity to pay sky high property taxes....you also get to put up with all the local blah blah blah about how the Glazers are tighwad owners, and how the locals don't deserve the Rays. Welcome to Florida.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.

If you're resorting to things like "changing the uniform" to prove why you don't have some of the worst ownership, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.You passed on an entire decade of great draft choices and one of the best defenses in league history to mention that they changed their uniforms?

I must have missed the "entire decade of great draft choices" could you bring up to speed on that please.

I'm sure he's referring to Sapp, Brooks, Sapp, Barber, Dunn, Alstott, Abraham, Al Harris, Brian Kelly, Booger, Dexter Jackson, Dwight Smith, etc...all contributing to the SB Championship (except Harris). There were plenty of misses as well. But I personally wasn't lumping the successes or misses into the ownership responsibility.

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

 

[gump]

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

Glazers saw the big picture and made the tough decisions to get a ring....smart moves on the front and back ends.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Glazers are 46 million under the cap. They could of easily acquired Marshall for the asking price. Denver called the BUCS first before trading them to the AFC East Dolphins. There is nobody on there roster that is worth big money. Marshall would of greatly improved there team. Why aren't the Glazers putting big money into this franchise. Fans are not filling the stands and I don't blame them. Does anybody really know what is going on with the BUCS are the Glazers hurting that bad financially with Man U that it is impacting the BUCS also. DeBartolo should make a run at buying the BUCS I'm sure the NFL would welcome him back.

FYI, there is no salary cap this year. Or salary floor for that matter.

 

[RC94]

It could only get worse if any future CBA doesn't include a salary cap structure like before, which also included a floor. Without a floor, some teams (possibly TB) will spend even less.

 

[Nagle2998]

You forgot the Bucs did add Reggie Brown who is now the number one Wr on the Bucs and a big time sleeper for me

 

[Avery]

You forgot the Bucs did add Reggie Brown who is now the number one Wr on the Bucs and a big time sleeper for me

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I know a lot of locals who are turning in their season passes. Looks like there will be blackouts this fall in Tampa. A visious cycle is beginning with bad football..... driving fans away to the sports bars in the comfortable AC. Last year's game against the Giants was what broke the camels back.

I do hope the Glazers sell, but that is wishful thinking. They are making money, and that is thier prime motive. There ought to be a floor as well as a ceiling for salaries, but as long as there is no floor, the Glazers are going to take advantage.

 

[bigmurd]

Manchester United needs the money.

They're not giving them any money either - fans are in uproar.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

Glazers saw the big picture and made the tough decisions to get a ring....smart moves on the front and back ends.

Firing Dungy, because he couldn't win the big one (until he did) was not a smart move.Giving up two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and $7,000,000 for Gruden was not a smart move.Hiring a guy who left the cubbard bare in Oakland (Bruce Allen) and had nothing short of horrible drafts was not a smart move.Hiring Raheem Morris who is totally overwhelmed is not a smart move.Hiring Mark Dominik (whose free agent singings have included Byron Leftwitch, Derrick Ward and not much else is not a smart move.

 

[gump]

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

Glazers saw the big picture and made the tough decisions to get a ring....smart moves on the front and back ends.

Firing Dungy, because he couldn't win the big one (until he did) was not a smart move.Giving up two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and $7,000,000 for Gruden was not a smart move.Hiring a guy who left the cubbard bare in Oakland (Bruce Allen) and had nothing short of horrible drafts was not a smart move.Hiring Raheem Morris who is totally overwhelmed is not a smart move.Hiring Mark Dominik (whose free agent singings have included Byron Leftwitch, Derrick Ward and not much else is not a smart move.

Would have been much smarter to keep Dungy/McKay and never win a ring.Look...clearly your one of the thousands of pro-Dungy, anti-Gruden fans who won't ever get over the moves made....so no use arguing over this.But again...list the owners who have accomplished more in the last 15 years.

 

[Grahamburn]

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

Glazers saw the big picture and made the tough decisions to get a ring....smart moves on the front and back ends.

Firing Dungy, because he couldn't win the big one (until he did) was not a smart move.

Giving up two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and $7,000,000 for Gruden was not a smart move.

Hiring a guy who left the cubbard bare in Oakland (Bruce Allen) and had nothing short of horrible drafts was not a smart move.

Hiring Raheem Morris who is totally overwhelmed is not a smart move.

Hiring Mark Dominik (whose free agent singings have included Byron Leftwitch, Derrick Ward and not much else is not a smart move.

They won the Super Bowl the year after firing Dungy! That's easily the smartest move they've ever made.Again, I think just about every team in the NFL would give that up if it means you'll win the Super Bowl. Isn't the goal in the NFL to win championships?!

Raheem Morris was a hire that saved the team money.

So do you want them to sign free agents or not? Dominik made a nice trade for Kellen Winslow(who's only 26). Leftwich is gone (obviously just a stopgap until they started the rookie), and the Bucs now have a franchise QB and a bunch of early picks this season.

The negativity surrounding this team reminds me alot of how things used to be with the Rays. They stuck with their rebuilding plan and have now built an extremely strong team. I hope the Bucs can follow the same template.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

Glazers saw the big picture and made the tough decisions to get a ring....smart moves on the front and back ends.

Firing Dungy, because he couldn't win the big one (until he did) was not a smart move.Giving up two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and $7,000,000 for Gruden was not a smart move.Hiring a guy who left the cubbard bare in Oakland (Bruce Allen) and had nothing short of horrible drafts was not a smart move.Hiring Raheem Morris who is totally overwhelmed is not a smart move.Hiring Mark Dominik (whose free agent singings have included Byron Leftwitch, Derrick Ward and not much else is not a smart move.

Would have been much smarter to keep Dungy/McKay and never win a ring.Look...clearly your one of the thousands of pro-Dungy, anti-Gruden fans who won't ever get over the moves made....so no use arguing over this.But again...list the owners who have accomplished more in the last 15 years.

How can you say they don't win a ring with Dungy?I am not anti Gruden I think he is a very good coach, I don't think he was a huge upgrade over Dungy and the Glazers set the franchise back giving up what they did for him.List for me the owners who have accomplished less since mid 2003 when the first started aquiring shares of Man U

 

[gump]

List for me the owners who have accomplished less since mid 2003 when the first started aquiring shares of Man U

Um...ok. Considering they've seen their team make 2 playoff appearances and hosted a Super Bowl:The Bills owner, the Jags owner, the Bengals owner, the Browns owner, the Texans owner, the Titans owner, the Raiders owner, the Chiefs owner, the Redskins owner, the Lions owner, the Niners owner, and the Rams owner.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

List for me the owners who have accomplished less since mid 2003 when the first started aquiring shares of Man U

Um...ok. Considering they've seen their team make 2 playoff appearances and hosted a Super Bowl:The Bills owner, the Jags owner, the Bengals owner, the Browns owner, the Texans owner, the Titans owner, the Raiders owner, the Chiefs owner, the Redskins owner, the Lions owner, the Niners owner, and the Rams owner.

The Bills Ralph Wilson Jr .in the HOF as an owner.The Jags Wayne Weaver. hosted a Super bowl in a city that NEVER was equiped to, a coupThe Bengals Mike Brown. You got me here The Browns. Randy Learner At least he is TryingThe Texans Bob McNair well respected ownerThe Titans Bud Adams I would say a better owner than GlazerThe Raiders Al Davis not as sharp as he once wasThe Chiefs The Hunt family, Lamar Hunt was the man most responsible for the NFL as we know it today.The Redskins Dan Snyder He is trying to build a winnerThe Lions, The Ford Family You got me here tooThe Nineres The Yorks no one will mistake them for Eddie DThe Rams Chip Rosenbulm, They are being sold.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I have no problem with the way the Bucs are approaching their rebuilding. What I do not get though is why did they extend Mike Clayton with that contract??? Why waste $/cap space on someone who does nothing? Wouldn't it be better to give a draft pick that opportunity to see what you have? You know what you have in Clayton and that is nothing mroe than bench depth at best.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

Ther was a nice run from 1995-1999 under Rich McKay and Dungy, both of whom the Glazers fired.

Glazers saw the big picture and made the tough decisions to get a ring....smart moves on the front and back ends.

Firing Dungy, because he couldn't win the big one (until he did) was not a smart move.

Giving up two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and $7,000,000 for Gruden was not a smart move.

Hiring a guy who left the cubbard bare in Oakland (Bruce Allen) and had nothing short of horrible drafts was not a smart move.

Hiring Raheem Morris who is totally overwhelmed is not a smart move.

Hiring Mark Dominik (whose free agent singings have included Byron Leftwitch, Derrick Ward and not much else is not a smart move.

They won the Super Bowl the year after firing Dungy! That's easily the smartest move they've ever made.Again, I think just about every team in the NFL would give that up if it means you'll win the Super Bowl. Isn't the goal in the NFL to win championships?!

Raheem Morris was a hire that saved the team money.

So do you want them to sign free agents or not? Dominik made a nice trade for Kellen Winslow(who's only 26). Leftwich is gone (obviously just a stopgap until they started the rookie), and the Bucs now have a franchise QB and a bunch of early picks this season.

The negativity surrounding this team reminds me alot of how things used to be with the Rays. They stuck with their rebuilding plan and have now built an extremely strong team. I hope the Bucs can follow the same template.

Right there is the problem.

 

[gump]

List for me the owners who have accomplished less since mid 2003 when the first started aquiring shares of Man U

Um...ok. Considering they've seen their team make 2 playoff appearances and hosted a Super Bowl:The Bills owner, the Jags owner, the Bengals owner, the Browns owner, the Texans owner, the Titans owner, the Raiders owner, the Chiefs owner, the Redskins owner, the Lions owner, the Niners owner, and the Rams owner.

The Bills Ralph Wilson Jr .in the HOF as an owner.The Jags Wayne Weaver. hosted a Super bowl in a city that NEVER was equiped to, a coupThe Bengals Mike Brown. You got me here The Browns. Randy Learner At least he is TryingThe Texans Bob McNair well respected ownerThe Titans Bud Adams I would say a better owner than GlazerThe Raiders Al Davis not as sharp as he once wasThe Chiefs The Hunt family, Lamar Hunt was the man most responsible for the NFL as we know it today.The Redskins Dan Snyder He is trying to build a winnerThe Lions, The Ford Family You got me here tooThe Nineres The Yorks no one will mistake them for Eddie DThe Rams Chip Rosenbulm, They are being sold.

The Bucs Malcolm Glazer Rebuilding

 

[Romulan]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.There is no question that something is going on financially related to ManU....but the Glazers have PROVEN they know how build a success on and off the field in the NFL. IMO...they saw a bleak future and decided to strip the team to the floor and completely rebuild...passing on meaningless at-once expenditures along the way...but understand as well as any owner that ultimately you need to win to make money, and will refocus on that in the future.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

List for me the owners who have accomplished less since mid 2003 when the first started aquiring shares of Man U

Um...ok. Considering they've seen their team make 2 playoff appearances and hosted a Super Bowl:The Bills owner, the Jags owner, the Bengals owner, the Browns owner, the Texans owner, the Titans owner, the Raiders owner, the Chiefs owner, the Redskins owner, the Lions owner, the Niners owner, and the Rams owner.

The Bills Ralph Wilson Jr .in the HOF as an owner.The Jags Wayne Weaver. hosted a Super bowl in a city that NEVER was equiped to, a coupThe Bengals Mike Brown. You got me here The Browns. Randy Learner At least he is TryingThe Texans Bob McNair well respected ownerThe Titans Bud Adams I would say a better owner than GlazerThe Raiders Al Davis not as sharp as he once wasThe Chiefs The Hunt family, Lamar Hunt was the man most responsible for the NFL as we know it today.The Redskins Dan Snyder He is trying to build a winnerThe Lions, The Ford Family You got me here tooThe Nineres The Yorks no one will mistake them for Eddie DThe Rams Chip Rosenbulm, They are being sold.

The Bucs Malcolm Glazer Rebuilding

We will agree to disagree, as a Buc fan I hope you are right.

 

[QUEZILLA]

You forgot the Bucs did add Reggie Brown who is now the number one Wr on the Bucs and a big time sleeper for me

Was he even a #3 in Philly?

 

[Dexter Manley]

List for me the owners who have accomplished less since mid 2003 when the first started aquiring shares of Man U

Um...ok. Considering they've seen their team make 2 playoff appearances and hosted a Super Bowl:The Bills owner, the Jags owner, the Bengals owner, the Browns owner, the Texans owner, the Titans owner, the Raiders owner, the Chiefs owner, the Redskins owner, the Lions owner, the Niners owner, and the Rams owner.

The Bills Ralph Wilson Jr .in the HOF as an owner.The Jags Wayne Weaver. hosted a Super bowl in a city that NEVER was equiped to, a coup

The Bengals Mike Brown. You got me here

The Browns. Randy Learner At least he is Trying

The Texans Bob McNair well respected owner

The Titans Bud Adams I would say a better owner than Glazer

The Raiders Al Davis not as sharp as he once was

The Chiefs The Hunt family, Lamar Hunt was the man most responsible for the NFL as we know it today.

The Redskins Dan Snyder He is trying to build a winner

The Lions, The Ford Family You got me here too

The Nineres The Yorks no one will mistake them for Eddie D

The Rams Chip Rosenbulm, They are being sold.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Between Glazer and Culverhouse, the Bucs have had some of the worst ownership in league history.

Yea....those moves of hiring Dungy, building one of the best stadiums in the NFL, changing the uniform, approving blockbuster trades for Keyshawn and Gruden, and untimately bringing the Lombardi to Tampa Bay were all terrible moves.There is no question that something is going on financially related to ManU....but the Glazers have PROVEN they know how build a success on and off the field in the NFL. IMO...they saw a bleak future and decided to strip the team to the floor and completely rebuild...passing on meaningless at-once expenditures along the way...but understand as well as any owner that ultimately you need to win to make money, and will refocus on that in the future.

I can understand why Bucs fans are upset, but it does look like they have a plan to rebuild the franchise from the ground up and are executing it.Now in 3 - 5 years if they let all the young players they've drafted go rather than resign them to fair market value contracts, then Bucs fans have a legitimate beef.

 

[bucsbaby]

If the Bucs add McCoy, DT in the first, and a decent WR in the second, I will be happy. I think those two positions are the biggest needs. Of course there are other holes on the defensive side of the ball as well, but we added a DT in last year's draft and if we add another this year that is doing a good job addressing the middle of the DL.

 

[gump]

Now in 3 - 5 years if they let all the young players they've drafted go rather than resign them to fair market value contracts, then Bucs fans have a legitimate beef.

While I'm defending their actions so far...I agree. They've executed the strip-down...now they do need to begin executing the build-back-up. They've done it before though.