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What is the win percentage of the Graham and Gronk owners in your leag (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth

Sabertooth

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Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners. We get this debate every draft season that they should or shouldn't be first round picks. I'm starting to think they need to be number one and two respectively because of the advantage they impart. Sure there are guys like Demarco and Forte, but I doubt many took them number one overall. Meanwhile guys like McCoy were tauted as the best guys to have and they've failed miserably.

So let's here it. What is the record of the Gronk and Graham owners in your league.

 
League 1:

Gronk: 7-3 (1st place in division)

Graham: 4-6 (3rd place in division, out of playoff run)

League 2:

Gronk: 5-5 (2nd in division, 4th points overall)

Graham: 4-6 (3rd in division, long shot at playoffs, has most points against by a 20+% margin - very unlucky record)

In neither league are the consensus top teams owners of Gronk/Graham, though the Gronk owner in League 1 could very well be the top team by the end of the year (Gordon coming back to an already good team).

 
12 team non PPR
Gronk owner is 9-1, 1st place
Graham owner is 5-4, 8th place (injuries have hit hard)

10 team non PPR

Gronk owner 8-2, 1st place

Graham owner 6-4, 4th place

 
I'm assuming you'll want to separate redraft (where people had to spend a high pick to get them) and dynasty.

Redraft 12 team, non-ppr:

Gronk: 7-3

Graham: 5-4-1

Dynasty 12 team, non ppr:

Gronk: 9-1 (STACKED team)

Graham: 5-5

Dynasty 12 team, ppr (inaugural season):

Gronk: 7-3

Graham: 5-5

 
All 12 team, PPR

League 1 (Redraft)

Graham owner - .700

Gronk owner - .800

League 2 (Redraft)

Graham owner - .300

Gronk owner - .300

League 3 (Dynasty)

Graham owner - .900

Gronk owner - .500

 
I am a Gronk owner and am 8-2. Graham owner is 5-5. In an all points league, Gronk owner is 1st in points, Graham owner is in 3rd

 
I'm 7-3 in 14 team dynasty with Graham and 7-3 in 14 team redraft with Gronk. ;)

The team with Gronk in dynasty is 8-2. The guy with Graham in redraft is 5-5

 
Graham 3-7. Just snapped a long losing streak by beating the previously 7-2 1st place squad (six game win streak stopped). He is a former back to back league champ, but just climbed out the basement into 10th place.

Gronk 7-3. First new guy we've had in four years, FBG. He started out slow (2-3) but is on a five game win streak, longest current. Now in 2nd place.

Julius 6-4. You didn't ask, but I'm in fourth and lead in total points, 65 ahead of the 1st place team, but one game back of three teams at the moment.

 
I got Gronkowski and gostkowski which has actually been a monster combo especially the games against the cincy, Chicago, and Denver . Currently 8-2,

 
10 team PPR, 2xTE league, own Graham and JT. 5-5 (5th), Gronk owner, 6-4 (4th)

12 team, Dynasty 1.5 TE PPR, own Graham and JT. 5-5 (7th), Gronk owner 6-4 (4th)

10 team PPR, Graham owner is 6-4 (3rd), Gronk owner is 2-8 (10th, dude traded away Charles when he got hurt and DT when he was having a slow start, shocker hes in last)

 
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners. We get this debate every draft season that they should or shouldn't be first round picks. I'm starting to think they need to be number one and two respectively because of the advantage they impart. Sure there are guys like Demarco and Forte, but I doubt many took them number one overall. Meanwhile guys like McCoy were tauted as the best guys to have and they've failed miserably.

So let's here it. What is the record of the Gronk and Graham owners in your league.
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I have been thinking about this as well. I had LeVeon Bell as a keeper and waited until Round 3 & 4 to draft RB's (Andre Ellington and Joique Bell respectively). I drafted Demaryius Thomas in Round 1 and since it is a QB-flex league, Aaron Rodgers in Round 2. I've definitely been thinking about drafting Graham (who was drafted in Round 1) and Gronkowski with a 1st round pick.

So, for that 12 team, redraft (keep 1) PPR league, the Graham owner is 1-9. He has been killed by injuries, but he traded away Gronkowski in Week 3. I'm not totally sure his team would have been much better than this since it has so many holes. So, he actually drafted both. But the team who traded FOR Gronk is now 9-1.

For another 12 team, keep 5, PPR league with 3 flex spots, the Gronk owner is 4-6 while the Graham owner is 7-3 and fourth overall. Nothing special which is why I'm also questioning this strategy.

 
I kept Gronk in both my keeper leagues:

The Good

10 team 5 keeper no PPR:

7-3 leading the division

Graham owner is also 7-3

The Bad:

12 team 3 keeper .5 PPR

4-6 but started 0-5

Graham owner is 5-5

 
Graham out 3 weeks (3 big weeks)

Gronk not himself the first 4 weeks of the season (3 big weeks)

These two really have not been giving their teams a large advantage at this point in the year and I would say this question is more relevant after the season. I love having Graham in my PPR league and I got him at 1.04 by trading away the 1.01 as I didn't like any of the RBs going there (still acquired Charles during his injury for less).

I feel this is all about risk aversion and that going TE really is probably the safe bet but I like my every week production of choosing correctly when going RB.

 
This list of elite tight ends really should have included Julius Thomas, so I'm including him.

League 1 (redraft PPR snake draft):

Gronk (me): 8-2

Graham: 5-5

Julius Thomas: 7-3

League 2 (redraft PPR auction draft):

Gronk: 5-5 (this guy also owns Julius)

Graham: 3-7

Orange Julius: 5-5 (this guy also owns Gronk)

League 3 (redraft TDs only snake draft):

Gronk: 7-3

Graham: 5-5

Orange Julius (me): 4-6

I hope these numbers help you.

 
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners.
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Except they aren't a step above and aren't providing a distinct advantage. Thomas is tied for TE1 in most leagues and Gates is out scoring Graham. Then you have Olsen in the mix as well. I'm in too many leagues to go listing all the records. Suffice it to say so e are winning, some are losing. Others are middle of the pack. Just depends on the rest of their team.

Like I said this preseason, the value at TE is Thomas. He was had 3 rounds later than Graham and a round later than Gronk. Producing top TE results.

 
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Graham owner in 1st and Gronk owner in last. Both among highest scoring teams though with the Gronk team having amazingly bad luck.

 
The General said:
Graham owner in 1st and Gronk owner in last. Both among highest scoring teams though with the Gronk team having amazingly bad luck.
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Same situation but with Graham and JT in one league. Leading in points for by over 100 in a 12 team dyno, leading in points against by over a 100.

 
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners.
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Except they aren't a step above and aren't providing a distinct advantage. Thomas is tied for TE1 in most leagues and Gates is out scoring Graham. Then you have Olsen in the mix as well.I'm in too many leagues to go listing all the records. Suffice it to say so e are winning, some are losing. Others are middle of the pack. Just depends on the rest of their team.

Like I said this preseason, the value at TE is Thomas. He was had 3 rounds later than Graham and a round later than Gronk. Producing top TE results.
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Since week 5, when Gronk was finally healthy, he's about 6 point per game higher than Julius. Graham is about even, despite playing through a injury that made him a decoy until the last two weeks.

 
Sabertooth said:
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners.
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Except they aren't a step above and aren't providing a distinct advantage. Thomas is tied for TE1 in most leagues and Gates is out scoring Graham. Then you have Olsen in the mix as well.I'm in too many leagues to go listing all the records. Suffice it to say so e are winning, some are losing. Others are middle of the pack. Just depends on the rest of their team.

Like I said this preseason, the value at TE is Thomas. He was had 3 rounds later than Graham and a round later than Gronk. Producing top TE results.
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Since week 5, when Gronk was finally healthy, he's about 6 point per game higher than Julius. Graham is about even, despite playing through a injury that made him a decoy until the last two weeks.
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Since we're cherry picking things here, what happens if you take away week 8?
 
16 team standard league.

Gronk tied 3rd at 6-4. 6th points.

Graham tied 10th at 4-6. 13th points but loads of RB injuries.

 
Simply going by win % of teams that own a particular player is a rather inconclusive way to judge the merits of drafting/buying that player with a 1st rd pick or top $. In most formats, there are 7 other spots contributing to the total points each week not to mention strength of schedule and pure dumb luck affecting W/L.

Owning the highest scoring player at any position is no guarantee you'll have a good or bad record.

 
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jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners.
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Except they aren't a step above and aren't providing a distinct advantage. Thomas is tied for TE1 in most leagues and Gates is out scoring Graham. Then you have Olsen in the mix as well.I'm in too many leagues to go listing all the records. Suffice it to say so e are winning, some are losing. Others are middle of the pack. Just depends on the rest of their team.

Like I said this preseason, the value at TE is Thomas. He was had 3 rounds later than Graham and a round later than Gronk. Producing top TE results.
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Since week 5, when Gronk was finally healthy, he's about 6 point per game higher than Julius. Graham is about even, despite playing through a injury that made him a decoy until the last two weeks.
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Since we're cherry picking things here, what happens if you take away week 8?
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I'm not cherry picking anything. Moving forward, it's pretty evident who are the more valuable players. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

 
Sabertooth said:
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners.
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Except they aren't a step above and aren't providing a distinct advantage. Thomas is tied for TE1 in most leagues and Gates is out scoring Graham. Then you have Olsen in the mix as well.I'm in too many leagues to go listing all the records. Suffice it to say so e are winning, some are losing. Others are middle of the pack. Just depends on the rest of their team.

Like I said this preseason, the value at TE is Thomas. He was had 3 rounds later than Graham and a round later than Gronk. Producing top TE results.
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Since week 5, when Gronk was finally healthy, he's about 6 point per game higher than Julius. Graham is about even, despite playing through a injury that made him a decoy until the last two weeks.
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Since we're cherry picking things here, what happens if you take away week 8?
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I'm not cherry picking anything. Moving forward, it's pretty evident who are the more valuable players. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
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It doesn't hurt my feelings. You were cherry picking. Sorry to break the news.
 
All Dynasty teams

League 1

(non TE required)

same team owns both 10-0 (1st in points)

League 2

Graham owner 9-1(loaded team)(1st in points)

Gronk owner 8-2 (4th in points)

League 3

double headers weekly

Graham owner 12-8

Gronk owner 8-12

 
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Graham was a late 1st early 2nd in most of my leagues so he should be outproducing TEs drafted 6 plus rounds later. Jurbs post about value is spot on.

The Graham/Gronk owners aren't doing anything special in my leagues. Some are doing well, some mediocre and some poor.

 
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I'm a Gronk owner at 5-5. 2 points behind 9-1 leader. I also have Dez and forte.

Graham's owner also 5-5 but 150 points behind me.

 
I'm in two redraft 12 team PPR leagues, and own one in each. Coincidentally, I'm in first place in both. The OP raises an excellent point about the advantage owning one of these two monsters offers.

League one:

Gronk 8-2, 1st place and points leader (I also own Murray and Forte though, and just traded for Rodgers, so maybe that helps.).

Graham owner is 5-5, 7th place. He has some major issues and Graham is his only good player.

League two:

Graham 9-1, 1st place, but only 6th in points. I feel like this team is very average outside of Graham, but hey, I only have one loss!

Gronk was traded from a bad 3-7, 8th place team to a middle of the pack 6-4, 6th place team a few weeks ago, and the team that got him has been blowing teams out and is now an overnight league favorite. He's going to be extremely tough in the playoffs.

My draft strategy every year is to target a top tier TE, even if I always feel badly about missing out on a stud RB or WR in the first few rounds. The difference having one of these guys against an average TE is so significant, as it creates a higher points floor each week, and the average TE owning opponent will be playing catchup at the other positions.

 
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I'm 0-1 with Graham. I was 8-1 before I acquired him. His previous owner was 1-8, but won this week.... He's a jinx.

 
16 team

Gronk 8-2 (#1 record, #1 points... they have rocked the world in free agency)

Graham 5-5 (#7 scoring)

12 team

Gronk 5-5 (5th scoring)

Graham 3-7 (9th scoring)

 
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
jurb26 said:
Sabertooth said:
Graham and Gronk are quite a step above anyone else at their position. It seems like the owners of these two players have a very distinct advantage over non-owners.
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Except they aren't a step above and aren't providing a distinct advantage. Thomas is tied for TE1 in most leagues and Gates is out scoring Graham. Then you have Olsen in the mix as well.I'm in too many leagues to go listing all the records. Suffice it to say so e are winning, some are losing. Others are middle of the pack. Just depends on the rest of their team.

Like I said this preseason, the value at TE is Thomas. He was had 3 rounds later than Graham and a round later than Gronk. Producing top TE results.
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Since week 5, when Gronk was finally healthy, he's about 6 point per game higher than Julius. Graham is about even, despite playing through a injury that made him a decoy until the last two weeks.
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Since we're cherry picking things here, what happens if you take away week 8?
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I'm not cherry picking anything. Moving forward, it's pretty evident who are the more valuable players. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
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It doesn't hurt my feelings. You were cherry picking. Sorry to break the news.
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Call it whatever you want. Barring injury moving forward the rest of the season, I am confident both Gronk and Graham outscore Thomas.

 
I own Gronk in one league and had won 5 straight to hit 7-2 before losing this week without him. But I met someone with Peyton, Julius Thomas, and I. Sanders, so even having great games from M. Evans and Forsett wasn't enough. Kelce gave me nada as a fill-in.

In the other league I'm in, the Gronk owner is 1 game under.

As for Graham, in both leagues the owner is 6-4.

 
In a 6 pt per TD league I went Peyton, Graham and then Gronk. I thought it was kind of nuts at the time but I love Gronk and with the scarcity at TE I decided to go for it and cobble together rb's/wr's. I'm sitting at 8-2 and crushing it every week in that league. RBs are weakish and a decision nightmare (Mason, Sims, Anderson, Joquie Bell, Hyde, Crowell, Oliver, Andre Williams, Jonas Gray)...Beckham/Benjamin/Andre Johnson/Mike Wallace are my wr's.

The crazy thing is that this is really the first week where both Gronk/Graham will be at full power. The early part of the year Gronk was limited and then once he got up to speed Graham went down, then they both had byes....now we should be in for a great stretch run.

 
League 1 (.5 PPR):

Graham: 6-4

Gronk : 7-3 (my team)

League 2 (PPR):

Graham: 4-6

Gronk: 3-7

League 3 (PPR):

Graham: 3-7

Gronk: 6-4

League 4 (non-PPR):

Graham: 5-5

Gronk: 4-6

 
One owner in my 0.5 keeper league has Gronkowsky, Graham and Julius Thomas. He plays the 3 of em each week since we have 2 flex spots.

He also has Andrew Luck and Leveon Bell and somehow he is 5-5,with the most pts for. Guess he got unlucky more than one time...

 
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