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what needs to happen for a rook TE (1 Viewer)
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
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He needs to play two years.
rapidskies
Footballguy
Exactly for a redraft I wouldn't touch a rookie TE. Dynasty even takes too long for me, I don't have the patience, I usually trade for a TE.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
But in terms of toda's tight end fantasy scoring, only Shockey's numbers would be worth starting in most "normal" leagues.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Opportunity.
loose circuits
Footballguy
too tough to learn both routes and blocking assignments. Seems like it takes TE's at least a year to get acquainted. Unless they are on a poor team without other options
Like with quarterbacks, if they come from a good system having played against a higher level of opponents in college, that should help quite a bit.Owens, Ocho etc should get tons of attention by the opposing defense.He enters with a size/athleticism difficult for most defenders (yes like we say about a lot of tight ends).Every now and again there's a good quote by Palmer about Gresham.A good running team can often get a quick one to the TE, the Bengals are a good running team and have been for a long time.I can recall quite a few Bengals TEs over the years that some thought, incorrectly, would do better than expected. To me, Gresham is eons more talented than them.The 20th best TE (Bo Scaife) only had 440 yards and one TD.21st was Ben Watson with 404 and 5 TDs (PPR difference here)To get 400 yards, Gresham needs to have a measley 25 yards per week. That's too much to ask of a top rook TE?See he's not even drafted as a backup in many leagues.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
In 0.5 PPR leagues, below are the TEs to rank in the top 12 as rookies since the merger:
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year rec recyd rtd fantpt rk team name1988 81 869 6 163.4 1 PHI Keith Jackson1973 55 854 6 157.3 1 PHI Charle Young1987 42 526 6 108.7 2 STL Robert Awalt1980 46 584 9 135.2 2 ATL Junior Miller2002 74 894 2 138.4 3 NYG Jeremy Shockey1998 54 684 6 131.4 3 NOR Cam Cleeland1975 35 636 4 105.1 3 NWE Russ Francis1970 42 556 7 118.6 4 OAK Raymond Chester1978 38 589 2 111.5 6 CLE Ozzie Newsome1990 34 387 7 97.7 7 PIT Eric Green1970 40 571 5 107.1 7 NYG Bob Tucker2008 55 627 5 120.2 8 SEA John Carlson1995 42 635 4 108.5 8 IND Ken Dilger1989 27 499 2 75.4 8 RAI Mike Dyal1988 33 575 3 91.2 8 MIA Ferrell Edmunds1980 42 447 7 107.6 8 MIN Joe Senser1974 32 466 3 87.3 8 NOR Paul Seal1973 29 392 5 83.9 8 DAL Billy Joe DuPree2002 39 485 4 92.8 9 MIA Randy McMichael1975 41 463 3 84.8 9 CLE Oscar Roan1997 41 505 2 83.0 11 SDG Freddie Jones1991 35 410 2 70.5 11 RAM Jim Price1978 27 447 4 81.8 11 CIN Don Bass1975 23 559 3 82.4 11 KAN Walter White2005 39 459 6 101.4 12 PIT Heath Miller2004 37 314 6 85.9 12 WAS Chris Cooley1998 37 383 4 80.8 12 WAS Stephen Alexander1996 34 386 4 79.6 12 OAK Rickey Dudley
You don't take the 20th TE off the board hoping he'll finish the season as a low-end TE2. Low-end TE2s have literally zero value. They're garbage, flotsam, roster albatrosses, waiver fodder. When I'm taking the 20th TE off the board, I'm looking at one thing and one thing only- upside. If my guy busts, then so what? I'll have to start a TE averaging 22 yards per game instead of one average 25 yards per game. It's not like my season is shot. I'd rather take a guy with a 1% chance of performing in the top 5 and a 99% chance of getting 200 yards than a guy with a 100% chance of getting 400 yards and 4 scores.I mean, just look at the guys you were naming. Bo Scaife. Ben Watson. How valuable were those guys last year? How many wins did they help owners earn? How many championship squads relied on one or the other? If Bo Scaife was really the key to your season last year, how much do you think his owner would really demand for him in trade? Do you really want to draft Jermain Gresham in the hopes that he's the next Bo Scaife?
much of what you said is how I feel though; in mentioning the upside potential and thinking even if he's "bad" he's got a shot at 20th or 25 ypg. What's that 2 catches per week? I don't even think Scaife or Watson got that.Anyone's floor is obviously 0 yards 0 catches 0 TDs but what's Gresham's really?
Undrafted in some leagues, super super late in others doesn't fit for me. I can buy "I don't want a backup FF TE" and that's fine but if backup FF TEs are drafted, how can you not take a shot on him?
Turn it around-Do the plethora of 400 yards or less TEs scream potential to get 800? or to get their 400 or less again?
I feel oddly out on a limb with Gresham interest this year and just trying to make sense is all, thanks SSOG
Personally, I'm not saying that I would draft Bo Scaife over Jermaine Gresham, I'm just saying "he could be the next Bo Scaife!" is a pretty terrible reason to draft Jermaine Gresham. There are about 18 TEs that I like this year, and I generally don't draft any TEs beyond that- I'll try to grab two TEs among those 18. If I only get one, then so be it, I'll trust my fates to the waiver wire. There are worse late-draft gambles one could take than Jermaine Gresham, I'm just saying that TE generally isn't a position that rewards any late round gambles.If you want a sneaky last-round-of-the-draft type of TE that I do like taking a flier on, though, I do think that Tony Scheffler is a nice high-upside play, and his ADP is actually later than Gresham's.
Hooper31
Footballguy
And how does Shockey's rookie season count as "lately"?
Scheffler may wind up playing behind last year's top TE in the draft-Brandon Pettigrew. Pettigrew is a solid blocker which (as you know) is usually a tough sticking point for young TEs trying to get time. You're a Bronco fan aren't ya? Is Scheffler a better blocker? It's probably most likely that they share the load which just bugs me for FF. Further, Schwartz's previous teams have used more than one TE regularly (with none being too great in FF) making it seem like he's emulating what worked for the Titans and Pats.I guess for me, I don't figure going completely away from a 1st round TE that was a decent blocker and had 30 catches in about 10 games is a good idea for an NFL team so I don't see the Lions doing it. Sure they brought Scheffler in for a reason, but it just can't be to replace Pettigrew IMO.Pettigrew had surgery on his knee and an insurance player was warranted IMO.Re-this thread, (again) Pettigrew had 30 catches in about 10 games. Gresham was a much better receiver playing for the other OK school. Any thoughts on last year's top rook TE versus this year's top TE? Seems to me like Pettigrew would have passed Scaife (point discussed above is all) yet still been meh for FF.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Schwartz had no role in the offense with any of his previous teams so I fail to see why their TE use matters. Schwartz has only had one previous team and that was last year's Lions. Linehan's offense is TE friendly and he has stated that 2 TE sets will be a staple of the Lions offense. The Lions used 2 TE sets quite a bit a last night. Scheffler will play a lot and probably will be on the field in almost all passing situations. He has lined up in the slot quite a bit during camp. Linehan is using him in a lot of different ways because he poses a big matchup problem for defenses, especially in the red zone.
So he only learned about defense from Bellichick and Fisher? Who did his defenses practice against? c'mon now
Like I said, I'm advocating him as a last round pickup. I think the odds are heavily against him. With that said... he's a Plus Receiver playing in an offense in desperate, desperate need of Plus Receivers to take the heat off of Calvin. He averaged 50 yards per game in 2008 despite being a backup who missed all of camps (and part of the season) to a foot injury. The fact that he's a poor blocker might keep him off the field... or it might just get him sent out in pass patterns more. As I said, Detroit is STARVING for a quality receiving threat to prevent opposing defenses from just smothering Calvin all game (or to make them pay if they continue to smother). I could easily see Scheffler putting up a "surprise" 60/700/6 type season.Bri said:
nightmare
Footballguy
I think Shipley in the slot could put up better numbers.
Rookie TE in a offense that never has used a te is a big reach.
C Cooley and O Daniels are going to bounce back. J Carleson
is being ignored and he could put up starting TE numbers.
I'd rather roll the dice with J Shockey after drafting a starter.
ETA- Or whom ever starts in the slot for the Bengals.
Rookie TE in a offense that never has used a te is a big reach.
C Cooley and O Daniels are going to bounce back. J Carleson
is being ignored and he could put up starting TE numbers.
I'd rather roll the dice with J Shockey after drafting a starter.
ETA- Or whom ever starts in the slot for the Bengals.
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