What NFL QB would you take for a 2 year window? (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Awesome]

LOL @ Roeth having more votes then brady .

Why is this funny? I don't think you can go wrong with either guy but don't see why Brady is the clear choice.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

LOL @ Roeth having more votes then brady .

Why is this funny? I don't think you can go wrong with either guy but don't see why Brady is the clear choice.

I'd say they are both are at the bottom of this list, so I don't quite understand this either.

 

[Choke]

LOL @ Roeth having more votes then brady .

Why is this funny? I don't think you can go wrong with either guy but don't see why Brady is the clear choice.

I'd say they are both are at the bottom of this list, so I don't quite understand this either.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Rivers.

This is the right pick.Crazy that anyone would take Roethlisberger over this group, much less him being the 2nd most popular.

wow really? tell Rivers to do something in the playoffs and I'll rethink my position.BenRodgersTom

lol, let's ignore than Rivers is better by practically any decent individual player metric, the fact that he hasn't been as lucky regarding winning in the crapshoot that is the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

lol, let's ignore that Ben is better by practically any decent individual player metric IN THE PLAYOFFS... you know... when it matters.lol, let's ignore that the Playoffs matter and that winning championships is the goal.lol, let's ignore the ability of 1 player to extend the play when things break down and praise the player that puts up better "numbers" in the regular season.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

What I'm learning is that the QB's mobility has been a terribly underrated aspect of these exercises. Thinking back to the last 10 Super Bowls, nearly all of them were won by a QB with at least SOME mobility. And in the case of Eli Manning, they ONLY won because of his mobility.

Brady 3x, Roethlisberger 2x, Eli, Brees, this year (Ben, Sanchez, Rodgers, Cutler are all very mobile)

Peyton wasn't very mobile, and he had a terrible Super Bowl but was fortunate in that he was playing someone who may be even less mobile in Rex Grossman. Brad Johnson also wasn't mobile, but (and I know this sounds like a cop-out) his defense was ridiculous and it didn't matter who was at the helm that day. Sort of like Dilfer in 2000.

The reason I bring it up is because I've been thinking about what makes a QB "great". In my mind, all season long I watched Philip Rivers believing that I was watching the best QB in football. And there's certainly some truth to that, because he's extremely proficient and does a ton without a ton of weapons. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought that in the postseason, he's not all that great at avoiding an opponent's oncoming pass rush. And in the playoffs, defenses are typically a lot better. And when a pass rush gets to you, mistakes are magnified. It's not a knock on the player, but there has to be some explanation for why Manning, Rivers, and Marino have combined for one less Super Bowl win than Ben Roethlisberger. I know the team around them has a lot to do with it, but I really think there's something to be said for escapability more than simply throwing ability and intelligence.

Now I'm not suggesting a guy like Vick would be ideal, because his is just about having great moves and balance. I think you get a pocket passer who can avoid a costly sack, fumble, INT and you've got yourself a guy who can win a Super Bowl. Not saying Rivers can't or never will do it, but he's been at the helm of some pretty awesome teams. Yet his 3-4 career playoff record, 58% completion percentage, and 8:9 touchdown to interception ratio certainly leave a lot to be desired.

I voted Rodgers, and would have done the same if this question had been posed before the Patriots game. Brady had a great statistical season and has terrific accuracy, but considering he's beyond his prime as far as avoiding the rush and the question is asking about the next 3 years going forward, I think Rodgers is the easy choice.

there it is. things ARE magnified significantly in the playoffs and some QBs are more adept at making a play when things break down. Lets face it... things won't always go your way... you gotta be able to make plays under extreme pressure and you have to be able to "bounce back" when you don't make the play... keep cool and don't get frustrated. I love P Manning but he seems to psych himself out sometimes IMHO because he gets extremely frustrated. Then he presses rather than doing what he knows he can do.

That isn't a knock so much on how good the other QBs are (Rivers included) but it does help explain some of their difficulties in the playoffs.

Let's see, you want a pocket passer who can avoid the sack. But you don't want a QB like Marino? The man was one of the all-time greats when it comes to avoiding the sack and still throwing the strike. Listen to QB's. The guy had great feet and pocket awareness. And that's why his release was so important. He could deliver the ball on target much later into the play than many of his contemporaries. He wasn't flashy about it. He did it with subtle movements compared to Ben's more dramatic motion. But the guys who played against him will tell you how frustrating it was to think you had him and not get him. His little sidestep would make you whiff or turn your killshot into a weaker arm tackle that he good resist. Or, even worse, you'd lay the lick only to find out from the cheering that he somehow got the pass off after you dropped your head but before you took him to the ground.

Ben is a good one. But I always get the feeling that he has to have things breaking down around him before he can turn it on. While I readily admit that he has an advantage over Brady and Manning with that unique slip-from-the-grasp ability he has, he still doesn't strike me as the complete package like a Steve Young. Perhaps it's his rep as a bonehead, but I just don't get the feeling that Ben is sitting back there pre-snap divining exactly what the DB's are up to in the same way as some of the others from the list are doing. In some ways, I think he needs for the chaos of the broken play to bring everyone else down. In that moment, when he hasn't lost ground like everyone else has, he's essentially gained the advantage.

I will agree with the bolded for the beginning of Ben's career but in the past few years he has evolved to be able to make accurate pre-play reads and he often dictates or moves coverages by using a 1 hand pump fake (show-off). He still trusts his ability to make a big play in any situation but I feel like the perception about him from earlier in his career has taken the shine off of how good he has been the past 2 seasons.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Truth... there hasn't been another QB in the mold of Big Ben... I'm not claiming that he is a better pure QB than some of these guys but I would take him anyway because of what I have seen in the playoffs and with the game on the line I trust him to make the play more than anybody else on this list.

IMHO Josh Freeman has a shot to be in that conversation down the road as that dude seems to consistently make plays in crucial moments as well... He also has a similar frame to Big Ben although he is slightly smaller and a little more mobile.

 

[Michael Brown]

Bump

If you chose anyone but Rodgers, the best you can hope for is to tie him next season.