What should the INT penalty be for QB scoring (1 Viewer)

[ookook]

I am curious how much an INT hurts relative to getting a passing TD.

For of leagues do either 4/-1 or 6/-2 in terms of TD/INT, so 25% or 33%. Several I play in are 5/-1 (20%) seems low.

A related question woudl therefore be: How often does it derive your team of scoring (and by how much) relative to how often it allows other teams to score (and by how much)?

I confess that 25% seems low, too. That is, underestimates how much INTs hurt the team.

I am honestly wondering whether 37.5% is too severe or not. For example 4/-1.5?

What does the Pool think most failthully represents impact on team effectiveness?

 

[Littlegiant]

In my favorite league, it is 6/-3 for QB's; however, that is offset by 1 point for every 5 completions and 3 points for 300+ yard games. Fumbles and Interceptions in that league are also 3 points, as well for Defensive points. I've played in other leagues where it has been 4/-1 and 6/-2, but those leagues also do not award points for completions and the QB play wasn't as dramatic. IMO I like the idea that interceptions should sting a bit, but there should be other ways to make the points back.

 

[LTF]

In the league I've run for a few years, here's how I break it down:

TDs across the board are worth 6 points. I've always hated the 4 points for a QB TD rule. A touchdown is a touchdown in my book.

Interceptions are - 2 points. Lost fumbles are -2 points.

My league is ultra-competitive as can be, so it's set up to have penalties like that. I'm pretty harsh on kickers as well. If you miss a kick from 20-29 yards, it's -4 points. 30-39 is -3... anything 50 or more there's no penalty, but you can see how it goes.

To compensate for QBs, I've adjusted for yards. Last year, wide receivers and running backs in my league got 1 point for every 10 yards. For QBs, they received 1 point for every 33.33 yards thrown (so three points for every 100 yards). I equated it as a guy who averages 200 yards passing a game similar to a RB who runs for 60 yards a game, and 300 yard passing performance on the same level as 100 yard running performance. It's not perfect, and I'm pretty sure I'll knock that down to 30 yards this season so it's 10 points for 300 yards passing instead of 9, but you get the general idea.

 

[ookook]

In the league I've run for a few years, here's how I break it down:TDs across the board are worth 6 points. I've always hated the 4 points for a QB TD rule. A touchdown is a touchdown in my book. Interceptions are - 2 points. Lost fumbles are -2 points. My league is ultra-competitive as can be, so it's set up to have penalties like that. I'm pretty harsh on kickers as well. If you miss a kick from 20-29 yards, it's -4 points. 30-39 is -3... anything 50 or more there's no penalty, but you can see how it goes. To compensate for QBs, I've adjusted for yards. Last year, wide receivers and running backs in my league got 1 point for every 10 yards. For QBs, they received 1 point for every 33.33 yards thrown (so three points for every 100 yards). I equated it as a guy who averages 200 yards passing a game similar to a RB who runs for 60 yards a game, and 300 yard passing performance on the same level as 100 yard running performance. It's not perfect, and I'm pretty sure I'll knock that down to 30 yards this season so it's 10 points for 300 yards passing instead of 9, but you get the general idea.

Adjusting the passing yard scoring from .05 to .033 I think reduces the value of QBs relative to other positions. Better to raise it to .075 in a start 1 QB format, IMHO. Especially with 6pt TDs.

 

[Summer Wheat]

In our league we give 4 for QB passing TDs, and minus 2 for INTs. There has to be minus points for INTs in any good league.

The game that Matt Stafford threw 5 TDs he also had 6 INTS. The INTs were killing the Lions and forcing them to pass every down. In leagues that do not have minus points Stafford was a stud. In leagues that have minus he still had a decent day but was minus at least 12-18 points off his total.

 

[ookook]

I was not realy asking whether there should be a penality or whether folks' leagues have one, but rather how much the penality SHOULD be relative to TD scoring.

TIA

 

[Sweet Love]

In our league we give 4 for QB passing TDs, and minus 2 for INTs. There has to be minus points for INTs in any good league.

The game that Matt Stafford threw 5 TDs he also had 6 INTS. The INTs were killing the Lions and forcing them to pass every down. In leagues that do not have minus points Stafford was a stud. In leagues that have minus he still had a decent day but was minus at least 12-18 points off his total.

I agree with this. I used to hate negative points for INTs until about 4 years ago when Favre and Kitna practically had 1:1 TD INT ratios, but had 23+ TDs and a ton of yards. Without the negative points, they would outscore a guy like McNabb who was careful with the ball (as a QB should be). I don't think it reflects the true game as much unless you penalize...kinda like a TD-only league does not tell the true worth of the RB.

 

[lynx4ben]

In our league we give 4 for QB passing TDs, and minus 2 for INTs. There has to be minus points for INTs in any good league.

The game that Matt Stafford threw 5 TDs he also had 6 INTS. The INTs were killing the Lions and forcing them to pass every down. In leagues that do not have minus points Stafford was a stud. In leagues that have minus he still had a decent day but was minus at least 12-18 points off his total.

I agree with this. I used to hate negative points for INTs until about 4 years ago when Favre and Kitna practically had 1:1 TD INT ratios, but had 23+ TDs and a ton of yards. Without the negative points, they would outscore a guy like McNabb who was careful with the ball (as a QB should be). I don't think it reflects the true game as much unless you penalize...kinda like a TD-only league does not tell the true worth of the RB.

I play in all 4td -2 int leagues. I've had an idea for a different format that has stayed just that: an idea.

I'm thinking about bumping the TDs up to 6 pts and only scoring the TDs over the int number. Thus 3td + 2ints = 6 pts. 3 ints + 2Tds = 0 points. 3 TDs 0 ints = 18 pts.

Just a thought and I haven't taken it much further than that. However, it would really reward lower int qbs considering the bump up from 4 to 6 points from my current leagues.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

-1 for an interception

-3 for an interception returned for a touchdown

 

[adrenaline]

Personally I like -50%, it helps seperate the good QBs from the garbage time QBs.

 

[Sweet Love]

In our league we give 4 for QB passing TDs, and minus 2 for INTs. There has to be minus points for INTs in any good league.

The game that Matt Stafford threw 5 TDs he also had 6 INTS. The INTs were killing the Lions and forcing them to pass every down. In leagues that do not have minus points Stafford was a stud. In leagues that have minus he still had a decent day but was minus at least 12-18 points off his total.

I agree with this. I used to hate negative points for INTs until about 4 years ago when Favre and Kitna practically had 1:1 TD INT ratios, but had 23+ TDs and a ton of yards. Without the negative points, they would outscore a guy like McNabb who was careful with the ball (as a QB should be). I don't think it reflects the true game as much unless you penalize...kinda like a TD-only league does not tell the true worth of the RB.

I play in all 4td -2 int leagues. I've had an idea for a different format that has stayed just that: an idea.

I'm thinking about bumping the TDs up to 6 pts and only scoring the TDs over the int number. Thus 3td + 2ints = 6 pts. 3 ints + 2Tds = 0 points. 3 TDs 0 ints = 18 pts.

Just a thought and I haven't taken it much further than that. However, it would really reward lower int qbs considering the bump up from 4 to 6 points from my current leagues.

I like the idea, but I think you, yourself, hit on the point that it would reward the ultra-conservative QB (could even call them a "caretaker"). While most of the time it is not an issue, every couple of years there is a guy like Griese (18-3) and Garrard (19-4), who would unjustly be top 5 QBs (I think Campbell had a year like that too). I like the "stiff" penalties for INTs (for the OP, I prefer a 50% knock...ie 4/2 or 6/3), but if you implement your suggested scoring rule in a year where 1/2 QBs have an extremely good ratio and they do not throw for more than 20 TDs, the league members may become disenchanted.

 

[ddarroch4]

I am curious how much an INT hurts relative to getting a passing TD.For of leagues do either 4/-1 or 6/-2 in terms of TD/INT, so 25% or 33%. Several I play in are 5/-1 (20%) seems low.A related question woudl therefore be: How often does it derive your team of scoring (and by how much) relative to how often it allows other teams to score (and by how much)?I confess that 25% seems low, too. That is, underestimates how much INTs hurt the team. I am honestly wondering whether 37.5% is too severe or not. For example 4/-1.5?What does the Pool think most failthully represents impact on team effectiveness?

We go with 6 / -4 Works really well, your QB's day is very important.

 

[massraider]

I am curious how much an INT hurts relative to getting a passing TD.For of leagues do either 4/-1 or 6/-2 in terms of TD/INT, so 25% or 33%. Several I play in are 5/-1 (20%) seems low.A related question woudl therefore be: How often does it derive your team of scoring (and by how much) relative to how often it allows other teams to score (and by how much)?I confess that 25% seems low, too. That is, underestimates how much INTs hurt the team. I am honestly wondering whether 37.5% is too severe or not. For example 4/-1.5?What does the Pool think most failthully represents impact on team effectiveness?

I think 4/-1 and 6/-2 are both fine. Now, one TD equaling 3 INTs, seems a bit out off whack, I can see that. Seems like the penalty should be higher, right?I don't think so. You gotta step back and look at it more. If you are in a league where your QB has to throw 50 yards to get a point, in that system, one INT negates 100 yards of passing. Looks pretty severe now, to me. I think it's impossible to say which is most accurate, because anyone can cherry-pick a game where a QB had a massive passing game, and two INTs killed the offense, or games where the QB threw a harmless Hail Mary INT at the end of a half.

 

[Godsbrother]

We do 6 pts for TDs (passing, receiving, rushing) and -3 pts for (INTs and Fumbles).

 

[GManiac]

What about penalizing a QB for sacks? Was considering doing -2 for INT, -1 for sack , -2 fumble. Figuring sacks are in part QB responsibility but perhaps not as much as INT and Fumble. The Oline is also to blame so only penalize QB 1 for it. 25 pass yards per point.

 

[FUBAR]

anywhere from 2:1 to 1:1

 

[gibfunk]

What about penalizing a QB for sacks? Was considering doing -2 for INT, -1 for sack , -2 fumble. Figuring sacks are in part QB responsibility but perhaps not as much as INT and Fumble. The Oline is also to blame so only penalize QB 1 for it. 25 pass yards per point.

That is ridiculous, Qb's should not be punished for sacks. In some cases, yes, they hold the ball too long and maybe miss a wideopen receiver, but for the most part it's either a combination of bad blocking and/or bad route running. Elite Qb's typically hold the ball longer to search for any option down the field, if there is none then the safe play is often to take a sack(esp. if they are still in the pocket). Example: Peyton Manning scanning the field for 4-5 seconds, and when nothing opens up, he curls up and lives to play another down.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I was not realy asking whether there should be a penality or whether folks' leagues have one, but rather how much the penality SHOULD be relative to TD scoring.TIA

+4/-9

 

[bagger]

It should be 0.

Throwing an INT shuts out any future points on that drive penalizing the QB plenty.

In addition, if your opponent has that D he should be getting points on that as well.

With the penalty it overly penalizes a fantasy team.

 

[bagger]

I was not realy asking whether there should be a penality or whether folks' leagues have one, but rather how much the penality SHOULD be relative to TD scoring.TIA

+4/-9

This is true if you actually want to emulate the negative impact on a NFL team.