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What to do about inactive owners? (1 Viewer)

J-Dawg

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I commish a dynasty league that's going into its 10th season and have tabled a bunch of suggestions to my leaguemates about some suggestions to refresh the league in terms of new rules etc. for 2011 and one of them was increasing the roster sizes from 19 to 22 because I felt the roster size we had now was too close to that of a redraft league, not a dynasty and that it was hard to grow and develop talent with a small bench.

A few people were very upset with some of the suggestions but our league champion was especially unhappy with the roster increase suggestion saying that it dried up the free agent pool too quickly and made it more difficult for a struggling team to get better without any viable free agents to choose from and mentioned one owner's name as an example. I can kinda see his point, but at the same time, this owner he mentioned is hardly ever active on the waiver wire. I went back through last season's transaction history and I didn't count a single waiver claim even though he had one of the highest waiver priorities week after week. There was players like Sidney Rice, Miles Austin, Mike Wallace and Pierre Garcon sitting out there for anybody to grab all of which would have improved his team, he didn't attempt to get any of them. Most of his "transactions" involved replacing kickers.

To me, the size of the rosters or lack of free agents has nothing to do with this team's struggles and everything to do with simply not caring enough about his team or the league to try and improve and it's frustrating as a commish to have one team acting as a league anchor. He's a virtual guaranteed win every week.

Now, going back to the suggestions, I put up a poll on the league home page to ask people if they liked the proposed changes or not and 9 of the 12 owners have already voted, one of which is myself who is abstaining from casting a vote, the other is an owner who I know has already unofficially voted by discussing the changes on the message board. The only other owner not to vote...you guessed it. To me, it seems like he doesn't care enough about the league to participate in an important league discussion or enough to actually attempt to improve his team.

There's more too. We are in the middle of our draft, we have a 24 hour time limit on picks with a rule that if your pick is skipped 3 times you lose it. He's currently on the clock with his 3rd round pick for the thrid and final time with 3 hours to go. He hasn't logged in since July 6th. This makes me furious as a commish to have somebody not check in for that long in the middle of a draft and hold things up for everybody else.

It's sad because this guy has been in the league since day 1 and is close friends with the league champion (who is one of our best and most active owners). If it wasn't for that fact, I would kick him out of the league and find somebody who actually gives a damn.

As far as I'm concerned, if you can't check in in a 24 hour time when you know for a fact that there's a draft going on, you shouldn't be playing and if he refuses to put in an effort to improve his team, the only person he has to blame for having an awful team is himself and no amount of roster spots will change that.

 
you should be posting your arguments about the roster change and this guys lack of transactions anyways on your league message board. If you are the commish, it is your duty to keep the league competitive for everyone. Nobody likes having an owner that doesn't have the heart for it. Either that, or maybe you should discuss privately with him about the options of giving up his team or becoming more active?

 
you should be posting your arguments about the roster change and this guys lack of transactions anyways on your league message board. If you are the commish, it is your duty to keep the league competitive for everyone. Nobody likes having an owner that doesn't have the heart for it. Either that, or maybe you should discuss privately with him about the options of giving up his team or becoming more active?
Part of me really wants to post my thoughts on this in an open forum as a league but I don't want to start alienating people or having them think I'm a jerk. I especially don't want to create tension with our champion because as I said, he's one of the best owners we have and I wouldn't want to lose him and have others start to join him and basically have a long term league dissolve into nothing. I have thought of sending him an email to inform him that his pick is about to be skipped for the third time but in the same breath I shouldn't feel the need to babysit people and remind them there's a draft happening.
 
Most leagues, unless formed from some already-known pool of active potential owners, has "that guy" in one form or another. For now I think you simply have to live with it and look the other way unless league rules already have a prescribed criteria and process for removing owners. Even if you do, the fact that he's already deep into this year's draft makes doing anything now a mistake.

Between now and the end of the season discuss privately with each owner how they feel about this guy and go from there. You may find everyone (including the league champ, his friend) is in agreement, making it easier to remove him next year, or you may find many of them saying "Relax, that's just XXXX and we can live with it." You don't want to burn up your political capital if you're not supported.

I would then suggest proposing rules for 2011 for removing such owners in the future (assuming you have sufficiently established private support).

This guy obviously thinks what he's doing is just fine, as these guys always do. They don't get it and never will. But you'd be cutting your own throat politically to do anything about him unilaterally right now even if it might be best for the league.

 
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Unfortunately, as a commissioner you sometimes have to babysit an owner like that. Give him little "prompts" that let him know that he's on the clock etc. It comes with the territory. It stinks but like others have said above, you cannot do anything about it this year.I like the idea that you send him a private email asking him to pay a little closer attention to his team because he's hurting the overall quality of the league etc. Depending on his response to this you could then start asking other owners what thier feelings are on this owner. You definately want to tread lightly here though. Use as mush tact as possible.Good luck.
I agree with all that. I have been part of multiple leagues that were folded with the #1 reason being inactive owners. In one I was the commish. The league only lasted two years (2008-2009). The chief problem were owners who gave horrible performances in the activity department. One guy had five separate instances of having a player in his lineup who was out on a bye. In the offseason we had our rookie draft. The same fellow was given rope to make his picks. Everyone was supposed to have 24 hours, but I extended it for the one guy and he still didn't pick. He was then skipped. It sucks because by skipping him, his team got lesser players, but rules are rules.I wrote several nice e-mails to him in an attempt to get him to make more of an effort, but the guy didn't get it and decided I was the bad guy. Long story short, I am so turned off by this issue that I am not slated to play fantasy football in 2010. I simply have not caught the fever to play it this season.
 
As for the roster size, I agree 19 is too few for a dynasty. Unless your league is 16 teams there should be plenty of WW opportunities with rosters at 22.

 
As for the roster size, I agree 19 is too few for a dynasty. Unless your league is 16 teams there should be plenty of WW opportunities with rosters at 22.
i play in a 10 team league with 22 spots, no DEF league. there is no one to pick up at this time. once the season starts there will be some players for the first 3 or 4 weeks then it will die
 
As for the roster size, I agree 19 is too few for a dynasty. Unless your league is 16 teams there should be plenty of WW opportunities with rosters at 22.
i play in a 10 team league with 22 spots, no DEF league. there is no one to pick up at this time. once the season starts there will be some players for the first 3 or 4 weeks then it will die
Well 22 with no DEF equals a 23-24 man roster I suppose. There is likely no one to pick up at this time because the season hasn't started so no sleepers have aroused. Also, I guess it's subjective as to who is a roster-worthy addition. BTW, gotta a link to your league?
 
As for the roster size, I agree 19 is too few for a dynasty. Unless your league is 16 teams there should be plenty of WW opportunities with rosters at 22.
i play in a 10 team league with 22 spots, no DEF league. there is no one to pick up at this time. once the season starts there will be some players for the first 3 or 4 weeks then it will die
Well 22 with no DEF equals a 23-24 man roster I suppose. There is likely no one to pick up at this time because the season hasn't started so no sleepers have aroused. Also, I guess it's subjective as to who is a roster-worthy addition. BTW, gotta a link to your league?
there will be some WW activity once the season starts but that does not last past week 6 or 7

roster link

http://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2010...40133&O=105

 
you should be posting your arguments about the roster change and this guys lack of transactions anyways on your league message board. If you are the commish, it is your duty to keep the league competitive for everyone. Nobody likes having an owner that doesn't have the heart for it. Either that, or maybe you should discuss privately with him about the options of giving up his team or becoming more active?
Part of me really wants to post my thoughts on this in an open forum as a league but I don't want to start alienating people or having them think I'm a jerk. I especially don't want to create tension with our champion because as I said, he's one of the best owners we have and I wouldn't want to lose him and have others start to join him and basically have a long term league dissolve into nothing. I have thought of sending him an email to inform him that his pick is about to be skipped for the third time but in the same breath I shouldn't feel the need to babysit people and remind them there's a draft happening.
Sorry, but IMO a good commish would send him that email.......you don't know his total situation and it can't hurt to just send an email for something like this - in fact his response may give you the chance to talk to him about being more active in the league
 
you should be posting your arguments about the roster change and this guys lack of transactions anyways on your league message board. If you are the commish, it is your duty to keep the league competitive for everyone. Nobody likes having an owner that doesn't have the heart for it. Either that, or maybe you should discuss privately with him about the options of giving up his team or becoming more active?
Part of me really wants to post my thoughts on this in an open forum as a league but I don't want to start alienating people or having them think I'm a jerk. I especially don't want to create tension with our champion because as I said, he's one of the best owners we have and I wouldn't want to lose him and have others start to join him and basically have a long term league dissolve into nothing. I have thought of sending him an email to inform him that his pick is about to be skipped for the third time but in the same breath I shouldn't feel the need to babysit people and remind them there's a draft happening.
Sorry, but IMO a good commish would send him that email.......you don't know his total situation and it can't hurt to just send an email for something like this - in fact his response may give you the chance to talk to him about being more active in the league
this worked for me in another league and I got an owner to admit that he didn't have the time to manage his team- he was replaced by an owner that has turned the team around pretty quickly. Maybe discussing this privately is much better than what I had previously suggested if you aren't sure you have support from the league
 
As for the roster size, I agree 19 is too few for a dynasty. Unless your league is 16 teams there should be plenty of WW opportunities with rosters at 22.
i play in a 10 team league with 22 spots, no DEF league. there is no one to pick up at this time. once the season starts there will be some players for the first 3 or 4 weeks then it will die
Well 22 with no DEF equals a 23-24 man roster I suppose. There is likely no one to pick up at this time because the season hasn't started so no sleepers have aroused. Also, I guess it's subjective as to who is a roster-worthy addition. BTW, gotta a link to your league?
there will be some WW activity once the season starts but that does not last past week 6 or 7

roster link

http://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2010...40133&O=105
Looks like you don't have to start a TE or DEF so that will definitely dry up the other positions. I looked at the available TE's before I read the starting requirements and almost had a heart attack. Still lots of surprises though.....Kevin Walter, Jordy Nelson, Brian Hartline, Malcolm Kelly, Torry Holt, and a bunch of others that would at least be stashed on rosters in most dynasty's.
 
I had a similiar in the first league I commished. I had inactive owners, but no way of adressing them by the rules. there were two places where the league adopted rules which I think could help you over the long-term.

1) General "sportsmanship"...gives the commish some written leeway

Sportsmanship- The basis of this league is that all players play to win each game and do so within the guidelines of the rules. The following are considered violations of this concept. If another franchise suspects that a player has committed this violation then the commissioner needs to be contacted. The commissioner will then make a ruling as to whether the letter and/or spirit of sportsmanship have been violated.

Starting a player on bye week - The rosters in this league are huge. There should rarely be a situation where a player a position is not “available.”

Tanking a game- whether for a better playoff position or draft pick.

Making trades that result in worsening your team in order to stock another team who plays a rival you want/need to lose.

Fire sales- There is a difference between a bad trade or trading for the future and outright trading of players for well below market value. The first two are allowed.

Not responding to trade offers within a reasonable time frame. We all have parts of our lives which are more important than fantasy football, but it is expected that trades and e-mails are at least acknowledged.

Not checking in regularly. There are no activity rules in this league, but even during the slower times of the football schedule, owners should check-in.

Language. This is not a no cursing league, but it is a no personal attack league. Smack talking is fine, but most adults understand when it crosses the line to insults. Anyone violating this will be first issued a warning before $100 of free agent money is deducted for each violation.

If an owner is in constant violation of general sportsmanship, then he may be placed up for vote for removal or have his status evaluated during the league’s dead period.

2) not particpating in the draft

Missed draft pick violation (Initial or Rookie Draft)

1st violation- warning...the owner will post his pick on the message board or e-mail the commissioner with his pick who replace the pick at the first opportunity.

2nd- violation- warning...the owner will lose the pick not made.

3rd violation- player loses remaining picks and is placed up for league vote to remain in the league

The key is to have something in the rules which allows you to act, but at the same time you as a commish should communicate with the owner when he is not active enough, since real life does happen to many if not all of us at sometime or another. Even if someone were to get to a league vote, an owner is encouraged to explain his situation to the entire league before it comes to a vote.

 
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Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen of the jury. May it please the court, I am here as counsel on behalf of the defendant (also know as John Doe). At this time I would like to cross-examine the witness regarding these alleged crimes.

. . . our league champion was especially unhappy with the roster increase suggestion saying that it dried up the free agent pool too quickly and made it more difficult for a struggling team to get better without any viable free agents to choose from and mentioned one owner's name as an example. I can kinda see his point, but at the same time, this owner he mentioned is hardly ever active on the waiver wire. I went back through last season's transaction history and I didn't count a single waiver claim even though he had one of the highest waiver priorities week after week. There was players like Sidney Rice, Miles Austin, Mike Wallace and Pierre Garcon sitting out there for anybody to grab all of which would have improved his team, he didn't attempt to get any of them. Most of his "transactions" involved replacing kickers.
Does it show if he submitted claims and lost out or just successful ones? If the latter, your statement is flawed.
To me, the size of the rosters or lack of free agents has nothing to do with this team's struggles and everything to do with simply not caring enough about his team or the league to try and improve and it's frustrating as a commish to have one team acting as a league anchor. . . He's a virtual guaranteed win every week.
So you don't like how he runs his team.Does his record support this claim?

Now, going back to the suggestions, I put up a poll on the league home page to ask people if they liked the proposed changes or not and 9 of the 12 owners have already voted, one of which is myself who is abstaining from casting a vote, the other is an owner who I know has already unofficially voted by discussing the changes on the message board. The only other owner not to vote...you guessed it. To me, it seems like he doesn't care enough about the league to participate in an important league discussion or enough to actually attempt to improve his team.
So there's at least three owners who haven't voted, you are singling out one. Is there a rule requiring a vote be cast? Me myself, have not responded to trade offers because they were so one-sided they didn't deserve a response.
There's more too. We are in the middle of our draft, we have a 24 hour time limit on picks with a rule that if your pick is skipped 3 times you lose it. He's currently on the clock with his 3rd round pick for the thrid and final time with 3 hours to go. He hasn't logged in since July 6th. This makes me furious as a commish to have somebody not check in for that long in the middle of a draft and hold things up for everybody else.

It's sad because this guy has been in the league since day 1 and is close friends with the league champion (who is one of our best and most active owners). If it wasn't for that fact, I would kick him out of the league and find somebody who actually gives a damn.
So if he wasn't friends with the champ (why does that matter?) he would already be expelled for what rules violation?
As far as I'm concerned, if you can't check in in a 24 hour time when you know for a fact that there's a draft going on, you shouldn't be playing . . .and if he refuses to put in an effort to improve his team, . . . the only person he has to blame for having an awful team is himself and no amount of roster spots will change that.
How do you know he knows? . . .

According to you. So what rule did he break again, I forgot? . . .

Has he blamed someone? There's nothing in evidence to that effect.

The defense has no further questions at this time and barring additional evidence, I move that all charges be dismissed for lack of evidence. The defendant has COMMITTED NO CRIME, broken no rule. The only thing Mr. Doe is guilty of is not acting in accordance with anothers expectation. The defense rests.

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In all seriousness, if it's not in the rules, he's not at fault. You may not like how he runs his team, but opinions aren't requirements. Please don't take offense to my response, it's not a personal attack. As commish you have a lot of responsibility and must live to a higher standard. The rules have to applied equally, consistently and fairly to all, without bias.

 
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