What's Normal? - Do you regularly drink milk? (1 Viewer)

[-OZ-]

We have enough Milks!

Didn’t even have to click on it

I like Gaffigan’s better but that one came up.

 

[massraider]

those nut milks are garbage too, they are NOT good for you

Coconut milk is.
Almond and Oat milk not as much (but wouldn't go as far as to say it's "NOT good for you") - but adults are not designed to digest cow milk properly.

What in them is good for you?

The only thing almond milk does is use a lot of water. People fool themselves with this garbage

 

[Dr. Octopus]

those nut milks are garbage too, they are NOT good for you

Coconut milk is.
Almond and Oat milk not as much (but wouldn't go as far as to say it's "NOT good for you") - but adults are not designed to digest cow milk properly.

What in them is good for you?

The only thing almond milk does is use a lot of water. People fool themselves with this garbage

ok - Vitamin E is good for you

 

[ShamrockPride]

Maybe once a month or so when I have a PB&J sandwich.

This. Pb&j with milk is godly.

 

[General Malaise]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

I don't know that suggesting that other things are far worse for you to drink is an argument of the healthiness of milk to the human body.

point is (and I didn’t say it) in moderation milk is perfectly fine and beneficial for most of us.

I think anything in moderation is fine, milk included. But I don't think there is any question that the dairy industry oversold the health benefits of milk in modern history. In fact, I'd say they lied about it and knew they were lying.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What in them is good for you?

Also what you said "it's NOT good for you?" which implies its bad for you.

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

chocolate. daily.

Do you buy it already mixed or do you put the syrup in and mix it up?

I never drink white milk and I drink chocolate milk like three or four times a year if the wife happens to buy some for some reason.

 

[mr. furley]

chocolate. daily.

Do you buy it already mixed or do you put the syrup in and mix it up?

I never drink white milk and I drink chocolate milk like three or four times a year if the wife happens to buy some for some reason.

i live in Wisconsin and buy it by the gallon like you might find white milk at the store.

white milk turned against me a handful of years ago, but i can still drink chocolate and do. mostly after i run. sometimes i drink a little with oatmeal in the morning.

 

[jhib]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

I don't know that suggesting that other things are far worse for you to drink is an argument of the healthiness of milk to the human body.

point is (and I didn’t say it) in moderation milk is perfectly fine and beneficial for most of us.

I think anything in moderation is fine, milk included. But I don't think there is any question that the dairy industry oversold the health benefits of milk in modern history. In fact, I'd say they lied about it and knew they were lying.

If the response to this was typically, "Milk doesn't have quite the health benefits as we were lead to believe by the milk industry," I would think that was a rational statement. But instead we often just get, "Milk isn't good for you."

I mean (newsflash), no food product that is advertised has quite the health benefits that the companies selling them would have you believe. "Organic" is a marketing term, trying to imply healthier for body and planet. "Superfood" is another term that's basically meaningless. "Packed full of protein" usually hides the sugar content. "Sugar-free" usually hides the fat content. And on and on.

The dairy industry might have taken it to another level, but that shouldn't reflect so definitively on the product itself.
Milk has some good nutritional qualities for those that can tolerate it. It has some negative qualities, with how much often depending on the variety chosen.

 

[massraider]

What in them is good for you?

Also what you said "it's NOT good for you?" which implies its bad for you.

Jury is out on if it's bad for you, but this is some processed stuff, at best it's not good for you. People think it is.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

People think it is.

ok - I think it's a substitute for milk (which is not meant for adult humans to process). I don't think it's some miracle health product - but the unsweetned versions are not bad for you.

 

[urbanhack]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings. We are meant to drink breast milk. Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

 

[General Malaise]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

I don't know that suggesting that other things are far worse for you to drink is an argument of the healthiness of milk to the human body.

point is (and I didn’t say it) in moderation milk is perfectly fine and beneficial for most of us.

I think anything in moderation is fine, milk included. But I don't think there is any question that the dairy industry oversold the health benefits of milk in modern history. In fact, I'd say they lied about it and knew they were lying.

If the response to this was typically, "Milk doesn't have quite the health benefits as we were lead to believe by the milk industry," I would think that was a rational statement. But instead we often just get, "Milk isn't good for you."

I mean (newsflash), no food product that is advertised has quite the health benefits that the companies selling them would have you believe. "Organic" is a marketing term, trying to imply healthier for body and planet. "Superfood" is another term that's basically meaningless. "Packed full of protein" usually hides the sugar content. "Sugar-free" usually hides the fat content. And on and on.

The dairy industry might have taken it to another level, but that shouldn't reflect so definitively on the product itself.
Milk has some good nutritional qualities for those that can tolerate it. It has some negative qualities, with how much often depending on the variety chosen.

Good, rational perspective as always, GB.

 

[General Malaise]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings. We are meant to drink breast milk. Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

Kinda sad what they do to the momma cows to induce milk production, says the guy who ate a hamburger for lunch.

 

[Dezbelief]

I have milk by itself a couple times a week.

I make my own chocolate milk, my dad taught me how when I was in elementary school. Regular chocolate milk is too sweet to me. Take a fork and get about 1/3 of a fork full of cocoa powder and put in a glass. Add in sugar and mix the two powders, then add a small amount of cold water. Mix until the cocoa powder is dissolved. Next add milk and stir. I will freeze my chocolate milk sometimes.

 

[Galileo]

I answered NO...

but now I am craving a glass of milk

 

[jhib]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings.

Was normal. Ok, is still "normal" considering the % of world population. But not in this country. Mutations are pretty cool sometimes.

We are meant to drink breast milk.

Were meant. As babies. Then we grow up and eat and drink plenty of things that we weren't "meant" to eat (whatever that means, anyway).

Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

And a nut is for growing a tree that is 80 feet tall. So?

 

[Dezbelief]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings. We are meant to drink breast milk. Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

Kinda sad what they do to the momma cows to induce milk production, says the guy who ate a hamburger for lunch.

The cows get knocked up to start milk production, udders won't dry out if they are milked a couple times a day until the cow hits their version of menopause.

 

[Dezbelief]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings. We are meant to drink breast milk. Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

No human is drinking as much milk as a calf, ~3 gallons a day.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I used to love cereal/milk, although I never drank milk from a glass. However about 5 years ago i became lactose intolerant all of a sudden.

It sucks because milk/cream is in many dishes you do not think about, like tomato soup.

Try non-dairy milks. Almost all are healthier than cow’s milk, and some taste better, too. Regarding the latter, make sure there’s not a ton of added sugar.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Any Canadians in here? Wtf is up with the bagged milk?

 

[Terminalxylem]

about 1.5 oz a day out of my milk frother.

those nut milks are garbage too, they are NOT good for you

They’re not health food by any means, but arguably better than cow’s milk.

 

[jhib]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings. We are meant to drink breast milk. Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

Kinda sad what they do to the momma cows to induce milk production, says the guy who ate a hamburger for lunch.

Yeah, that part gets me. Even when I went vegetarian for a few years way back when (for animal welfare reasons), I just couldn't give up dairy and felt guilty about it.

 

[FatMax]

I don't remember the last time I've had milk, even as a secondary ingredient, like in cereal. It's been at least 20 years, I bet.

 

[Terminalxylem]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

To acknowledge the existence of unhealthy vegetarians/vegans/etc. doesn’t make plant based diets less healthy, nor does it make dairy comparably healthy.

I see no problem with avoiding milk, no matter the rationale.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Being lactose intolerant is normal for human beings. We are meant to drink breast milk. Cows milk is for baby cows which gain hundreds of pounds in their first year(s) of existence.

Kinda sad what they do to the momma cows to induce milk production, says the guy who ate a hamburger for lunch.

In your wife’s car in two bites?

 

[Terminalxylem]

As for the OP, I avoid dairy, and rarely drink milk substitutes in smoothies.

Healthfulness aside, it's always been interesting to me the differences in beverages we consume as kids and adults. Why do we trade sweet for bitter as we age?

 

[Ilov80s]

Nope. I’ll use it in a protein shake. That’s about it. Pretty much only use oat milk for coffee now.

 

[Brony]

I have milk by itself a couple times a week.

I make my own chocolate milk, my dad taught me how when I was in elementary school. Regular chocolate milk is too sweet to me. Take a fork and get about 1/3 of a fork full of cocoa powder and put in a glass. Add in sugar and mix the two powders, then add a small amount of cold water. Mix until the cocoa powder is dissolved. Next add milk and stir. I will freeze my chocolate milk sometimes.

Weren't spoons invented yet where you lived?

 

[Brony]

Maybe once a month or so when I have a PB&J sandwich.

This. Pb&j with milk is godly.

yes. I rarely have a glass of just milk. Probably just a few times per year when we have homemade brownies or choc chip cookies. Or with PB&J or PB& fluff sandwich.

 

[Snoopy]

Any Canadians in here? Wtf is up with the bagged milk?

Kwik Trip sells bagged milk, but it is not that popular. Cheaper cost for cheaper packaging.

 

[kupcho1]

I'm almost 100% whole milk. I'll occasionally have some wood milk. My favorite is mahogany.

 

[tonysmiles]

Whole Milk gallon will last me about 5 days sometimes a week.

 

[Dwayne Hoover]

I never liked milk, not even as a kid. If I eat cereal, its always dry.
Wouldn't consider a glass of milk, Id say maybe 8 years old was the last time I had any

 

[dkp993]

Can’t stand plain milk. Was a daily chocolate milk drinker into my early 20’s. Almost never do anymore.

 

[jhib]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

To acknowledge the existence of unhealthy vegetarians/vegans/etc. doesn’t make plant based diets less healthy, nor does it make dairy comparably healthy.

I see no problem with avoiding milk, no matter the rationale.

I took OZ point as more about the subset of people who choose not to drink it for any of a variety of reasons (ideology, personal health choices, lactose intolerance, etc) and then feel the need to proclaim the black/white absolute "milk is bad for you" to everyone. But the same rationalization doesn't apply to other foods they eat, and a more nuanced view isn't quite as satisfying, I guess.
(So it was more about the people than the relative health values of the foods, really)

 

[General Malaise]

As for the OP, I avoid dairy, and rarely drink milk substitutes in smoothies.

Healthfulness aside, it's always been interesting to me the differences in beverages we consume as kids and adults. Why do we trade sweet for bitter as we age?

It's a good question and other than suggesting a blanket statement like "our tastes change as we age" I'm curious why that is too.

When I first started drinking coffee I needed cream and sugar. Over time, I switched to just black, mostly because at the time, I was pressed for time trading stocks and needed to be at my station, so no time to fart around with the coffee. Pour, race back to trading desk.

20 years later, I can't drink a cup of coffee if it has cream or sugar or God forbid both. I love the bitter taste of dark, black coffee. Weird.

 

[Dezbelief]

I have milk by itself a couple times a week.

I make my own chocolate milk, my dad taught me how when I was in elementary school. Regular chocolate milk is too sweet to me. Take a fork and get about 1/3 of a fork full of cocoa powder and put in a glass. Add in sugar and mix the two powders, then add a small amount of cold water. Mix until the cocoa powder is dissolved. Next add milk and stir. I will freeze my chocolate milk sometimes.

Weren't spoons invented yet where you lived?

Chocolate is hydrophilic and a spoon doesn't do as good a job forcing the cocoa to dissolve.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I gave up dairy last year and make my own almond milk (usually a quart or half gallon every few days.) It mostly goes in my coffee and other things, rare I drink it stand alone.

For the first 60 years of my life I drank a LOT of cows milk. Always bought by the gallon when I lived alone (tbf I was eating breakfast cereal every day - but often drank a glass of milk.)

My body feels so much better since I gave up milk, half and half, ice cream, sour cream, yogurt, et al. Still an occasional egg but experiencing a lot less joint pain and inflammation since I kicked the habit.

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

I worked with a guy about 20 years ago and he drank a lot of milk - couple of gallons a week and had been that way for years. I worked with him three years and he had kidney stones 4-6 times. They were bad enough he was hospitalized each time. Doctor said it was probably from drinking so much milk.

 

[Terminalxylem]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

To acknowledge the existence of unhealthy vegetarians/vegans/etc. doesn’t make plant based diets less healthy, nor does it make dairy comparably healthy.

I see no problem with avoiding milk, no matter the rationale.

I took OZ point as more about the subset of people who choose not to drink it for any of a variety of reasons (ideology, personal health choices, lactose intolerance, etc) and then feel the need to proclaim the black/white absolute "milk is bad for you" to everyone. But the same rationalization doesn't apply to other foods they eat, and a more nuanced view isn't quite as satisfying, I guess.
(So it was more about the people than the relative health values of the foods, really)

Understood. But someone doesn't need to have a perfect diet (if such a thing exists) to recognize milk isn't particularly healthy. It's not as "bad" as many sugar-sweetened drinks or alcohol, but there are far better beverage choices.

I posted this in one of the weight loss threads, where mention of the healthiest diets is a rarity. Predictably, it was met with :crickets:

To be fair, low-fat dairy is included in DASH, Mediterranean or some flavors of vegetarianism. But it certainly isn't emphasized. So I wouldn't call it "bad". But I also wouldn't say it "does a body good." Regardless, I wouldn't chastise someone for drinking milk.

 

[Terminalxylem]

As for the OP, I avoid dairy, and rarely drink milk substitutes in smoothies.

Healthfulness aside, it's always been interesting to me the differences in beverages we consume as kids and adults. Why do we trade sweet for bitter as we age?

It's a good question and other than suggesting a blanket statement like "our tastes change as we age" I'm curious why that is too.

When I first started drinking coffee I needed cream and sugar. Over time, I switched to just black, mostly because at the time, I was pressed for time trading stocks and needed to be at my station, so no time to fart around with the coffee. Pour, race back to trading desk.

20 years later, I can't drink a cup of coffee if it has cream or sugar or God forbid both. I love the bitter taste of dark, black coffee. Weird.

Meanwhile, I never started drinking coffee, and still find it unpalatable. Same goes for alcohol, where I only can tolerate sweet or sour mixed drinks. That's not to say my palate hasn't evolved. My diet has changed dramatically from childhood, but I still drink like a kid (not really, because of health concerns, but easily could).

I know taste bud distribution (and number) changes with age, but I think the biggest component of shifting preferences is cultural pressure to delve into "adult" beverages. That and enjoying the mind-altering properties of caffeine and alcohol. Ultimately, if one eats or drinks anything consistently, they start to like it.

 

[-OZ-]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

To acknowledge the existence of unhealthy vegetarians/vegans/etc. doesn’t make plant based diets less healthy, nor does it make dairy comparably healthy.

I see no problem with avoiding milk, no matter the rationale.

I took OZ point as more about the subset of people who choose not to drink it for any of a variety of reasons (ideology, personal health choices, lactose intolerance, etc) and then feel the need to proclaim the black/white absolute "milk is bad for you" to everyone. But the same rationalization doesn't apply to other foods they eat, and a more nuanced view isn't quite as satisfying, I guess.
(So it was more about the people than the relative health values of the foods, really)

Understood. But someone doesn't need to have a perfect diet (if such a thing exists) to recognize milk isn't particularly healthy. It's not as "bad" as many sugar-sweetened drinks or alcohol, but there are far better beverage choices.

I posted this in one of the weight loss threads, where mention of the healthiest diets is a rarity. Predictably, it was met with :crickets:

To be fair, low-fat dairy is included in DASH, Mediterranean or some flavors of vegetarianism. But it certainly isn't emphasized. So I wouldn't call it "bad". But I also wouldn't say it "does a body good." Regardless, I wouldn't chastise someone for drinking milk.

That’s certainly fair. And if people drink milk thinking it’s really healthy so they can go eat cake afterwards, that’s not a good way to get healthy. But if you drink a small glass of chocolate milk as dessert, that’s healthier than other desserts. So to that end, realizing that it isn’t a perfect food is a good thing (human milk is damn near perfect but kinda frowned upon after age 2 or so).

 

[Hastur]

I put about 2 oz. milk in my coffee in the morning. Otherwise, it is usually almond milk or oat milk.

 

[brianj74]

chocolate. daily.

This.

 

[Sand]

I drink about a quart a day. Breakfast & dinner for sure. Usually not for lunch.

3 in my household right now and we go through 4 gallons a week. Milk and chocolate milk. Chocolate milk is the perfect recovery drink - just had some after my ride tonight.

 

[Terminalxylem]

"Good for you" is such a relative term as to make it almost meaningless.

Saying milk isn't good for you seems to me like an overreaction to the advertising that made it sound like a perfect food.
Most of the arguments against it point to lactose intolerance being common and it being high in fat or cholesterol (as if low-fat milk didn't exist). Or it being somehow "unnatural" which is just silly, IMO.

I'm lucky enough to tolerate and digest it well and I drink 2% or less (very rarely whole milk). Sure it has some sugar, but it's overall "good for me" (if not "you").

Too many of the “milk is bad for you” group eat and drink far worse things and aren’t really health conscious. If you’re intolerant or just don’t like it, great.

To acknowledge the existence of unhealthy vegetarians/vegans/etc. doesn’t make plant based diets less healthy, nor does it make dairy comparably healthy.

I see no problem with avoiding milk, no matter the rationale.

I took OZ point as more about the subset of people who choose not to drink it for any of a variety of reasons (ideology, personal health choices, lactose intolerance, etc) and then feel the need to proclaim the black/white absolute "milk is bad for you" to everyone. But the same rationalization doesn't apply to other foods they eat, and a more nuanced view isn't quite as satisfying, I guess.
(So it was more about the people than the relative health values of the foods, really)

Understood. But someone doesn't need to have a perfect diet (if such a thing exists) to recognize milk isn't particularly healthy. It's not as "bad" as many sugar-sweetened drinks or alcohol, but there are far better beverage choices.

I posted this in one of the weight loss threads, where mention of the healthiest diets is a rarity. Predictably, it was met with :crickets:

To be fair, low-fat dairy is included in DASH, Mediterranean or some flavors of vegetarianism. But it certainly isn't emphasized. So I wouldn't call it "bad". But I also wouldn't say it "does a body good." Regardless, I wouldn't chastise someone for drinking milk.

That’s certainly fair. And if people drink milk thinking it’s really healthy so they can go eat cake afterwards, that’s not a good way to get healthy. But if you drink a small glass of chocolate milk as dessert, that’s healthier than other desserts. So to that end, realizing that it isn’t a perfect food is a good thing (human milk is damn near perfect but kinda frowned upon after age 2 or so).

Human milk is great for developing babies, but it’s far from a perfect choice for adults. Ignoring the big segment of the world who can’t metabolize lactose, it’s high in saturated fats (generally not good for vascular health) and the proteins it contains are less healthy than plant-based alternatives (animal proteins may increase the risk of some types of cancer). Plus it contains no fiber.

It’s good for many micronutrients, but not all (eg. Vitamins K and D), and getting worse with time, as ultimately the healthfulness of milk is a reflection of the mother’s diet.

The passive immunity acquired when a baby drinks milk likely wouldn’t translate to adults either, given their mature gastrointestinal tracts and immune systems. That hasn’t stopped people from marketing it as an immunity boost, but it‘s far from settled science. Meanwhile, ingesting raw milk (human milk, when sold for third party consumption, sometimes isn’t pasteurized) has been associated with food borne illness.

Lastly, it’s good for a baby’s microbiome, but who knows what it provides an adult?

 

[belljr]

This thread is awful

 

[jhib]

As for the OP, I avoid dairy, and rarely drink milk substitutes in smoothies.

Healthfulness aside, it's always been interesting to me the differences in beverages we consume as kids and adults. Why do we trade sweet for bitter as we age?

It's a good question and other than suggesting a blanket statement like "our tastes change as we age" I'm curious why that is too.

When I first started drinking coffee I needed cream and sugar. Over time, I switched to just black, mostly because at the time, I was pressed for time trading stocks and needed to be at my station, so no time to fart around with the coffee. Pour, race back to trading desk.

20 years later, I can't drink a cup of coffee if it has cream or sugar or God forbid both. I love the bitter taste of dark, black coffee. Weird.

Individual differences in bitter taste preferences are associated with antisocial personality traits - PubMed

In two studies, we investigated how bitter taste preferences might be associated with antisocial personality traits. Two US American community samples (total N = 953; mean age = 35.65 years; 48% females) self-reported their taste preferences using two complementary preference measures and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The results of both studies confirmed the hypothesis that bitter taste preferences are positively associated with malevolent personality traits, with the most robust relation to everyday sadism and psychopathy."

Sounds about right.



(yeah, seems like that's probably a silly correlation)

 

[The General]

Drank all the time until maybe college. Can’t remember the last time I poured a glass of milk to drink. Have in coffee now. don’t really eat cereal. Keep that skim stuff away, so gross.

Maybe was my parents thing to drink this with a meal.