What's the deal with L.Mitchell LB/Ari (1 Viewer)

[tkrull]

So what is the deal with the Cardinals MLB position? While I can understand that it's still up in the air with training camp not even started, I'm confused how the FBG depth charts show Mitchell backing up Hayes, but in the LB projections Mitchell is slated to be the highest scoring LB. Shouldn't Hayes and Mitchell swap positions in the projections if the depth chart is accurate?Looking forward to the upcoming NFC Eye of the Guru article.

 

[RAPTURE]

Some people on this site are implying Lance Mitchell is going to be starting from day 1, where I've been saying G. Hayes will come up huge this year. I guess some people are a little stubborn with thier predictions at times.

Here is the link about the Cardinals LB core:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=160228

RAPTURE

 

[Beaumont]

Rapture and I are totally on the same page here ... Mitchell is a gimpy-kneed 5th rounder who likely wont be starting anytime soon ...

 

[Bloom]

im in between norton and beaumont/rapture. i think hayes will put up big numbers as the MLB this year, but i like mitchell long term. i have no idea why this guy fell so far. we already have dozens of cases of guys returning to form 2 years out of an ACL injury. mitchell was considered the equal of derrick johnson as a prospect before his knee injury. he's a do-everything QB of the defense MLB. i think he's one of many excellent, excellent picks by the cards this year that will pay off down the line.

 

[tkrull]

I've been sitting on both in a Zealots league. Sounds like I need to keep both.Let's say I want to keep 9 of the following. Who makes the cut?M.Peterson/MLBK.Bell/MLB or WLBC.Watson/MLBL.Mitchell/MLBD.J.Williams/SLBA.Wilson/MLBD.Thornton/SLBC.Thompson/OLBJ.Winborn/OLBB.Ruud/MLBC.Haggans/OLBG.Hayes/MLBL.Marshall/MLBN.Webster/MLB

 

[Beaumont]

I've been sitting on both in a Zealots league. Sounds like I need to keep both.

Let's say I want to keep 9 of the following. Who makes the cut?

M.Peterson/MLB

K.Bell/MLB or WLB

C.Watson/MLB

L.Mitchell/MLB

D.J.Williams/SLB

A.Wilson/MLB

D.Thornton/SLB

C.Thompson/OLB

J.Winborn/OLB

B.Ruud/MLB

C.Haggans/OLB

G.Hayes/MLB

L.Marshall/MLB

N.Webster/MLB

I would cut Webster, Haggans, Winborn, Thompson and Thornton ...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Norton still expects Mitchell to win that MLB job, thus he projects good numbers from him. Training camp is just starting...things change. If Hayes solidifies his hold on the starting job, I'm sure John will update his projections to reflect that change.

 

[-OZ-]

im in between norton and beaumont/rapture. i think hayes will put up big numbers as the MLB this year, but i like mitchell long term. i have no idea why this guy fell so far. we already have dozens of cases of guys returning to form 2 years out of an ACL injury. mitchell was considered the equal of derrick johnson as a prospect before his knee injury. he's a do-everything QB of the defense MLB. i think he's one of many excellent, excellent picks by the cards this year that will pay off down the line.

I can see this. Does Green want his MLB to be the leader of the defense, or just another guy playing the position? Lance Mitchell is a leader, he led one of the better defenses in college last year, and only slipped in the draft due to injury concerns. In time, he will be a very nice asset for that defense. I don't see top 10 stats from him, but start-worth in most leagues once he gets the job. IMO it's only a matter of time.

 

[helix]

Some people on this site are implying Lance Mitchell is going to be starting from day 1, where I've been saying G. Hayes will come up huge this year. I guess some people are a little stubborn with thier predictions at times.

Here is the link about the Cardinals LB core:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=160228

RAPTURE

Why does Bob Henry have Huff as the starter at MLB? It was updated as of 7/29/05. Has there been a recent change?http://footballguys.com/depthcharts.htm#Arizona%20Cardinals

 

[Beaumont]

Some people on this site are implying Lance Mitchell is going to be starting from day 1, where I've been saying G. Hayes will come up huge this year. I guess some people are a little stubborn with thier predictions at times.

Here is the link about the Cardinals LB core:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=160228

RAPTURE

Why does Bob Henry have Huff as the starter at MLB? It was updated as of 7/29/05. Has there been a recent change?http://footballguys.com/depthcharts.htm#Arizona%20Cardinals

Hayes has been practicing as first team MLB since minicamp, Huff as first team WLB ...

 

[helix]

Some people on this site are implying Lance Mitchell is going to be starting from day 1, where I've been saying G. Hayes will come up huge this year.  I guess some people are a little stubborn with thier predictions at times.

Here is the link about the Cardinals LB core:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=160228

RAPTURE

Why does Bob Henry have Huff as the starter at MLB? It was updated as of 7/29/05. Has there been a recent change?http://footballguys.com/depthcharts.htm#Arizona%20Cardinals

Hayes has been practicing as first team MLB since minicamp, Huff as first team WLB ...

So, Bob is wrong..

 

[Bob Henry]

My bad. Corrected, I simply overlooked this in several passes. As a side note, the Cardinals defense is one of the tougher to keep updated during the season. Green moves his players around A LOT and while a guy might be shown in the depth charts as MLB, he might also slide over to another position in different looks/packages. Last year Green was very creative in this manner, and I expect that to continue.The net effect might be Darling, Blackstock, Hayes and Huff all seeing various degrees of playing time in what could very well turn into a game of musical chairs amongst their LB corps.Thanks for drawing this to my attention guys. I'm uploading the changes as I type.

 

[P Boy]

Rapture and I are totally on the same page here ... Mitchell is a gimpy-kneed 5th rounder who likely wont be starting anytime soon ...

Saved for posterity.He's well beyond his injury, my friend. I happily stole him in the 8th round of our dynasty draft last May.

 

[Beaumont]

Rapture and I are totally on the same page here ... Mitchell is a gimpy-kneed 5th rounder who likely wont be starting anytime soon ...

Saved for posterity.He's well beyond his injury, my friend. I happily stole him in the 8th round of our dynasty draft last May.

8th round rookie pick? Fine pick w. excellent value, surprised he dropped that far ...8th round in an initial dynasty draft? Silly. I would rather have for example Trotter who just went in the 8th round of an initial 16-team dynasty draft Im in right now ...

Mitchell will not be in the top 60 fantasy LBs this year ... and Hayes will be ...

 

[Rozelle]

This should be an interesting situation to watch in camp and pre-season. Arizona MLB's have a history of being fairly productive.Mitchell does have an opportunity here. Hayes couldn't beat out an aging and currently out of football Ronald McKinnon last year, which btw no team is beating down McKinnon's door to sign him either. Now... maybe Hayes has improved considerable from last year, I don't know. I have not read anything to that effect... yet. But, if Denny Green is doing the praise, take that with a grain of salt! Another thing to consider is: Hayes is not one of Green's picks, for whatever that's worth. If Hayes does start, he will most likely be a 2 down backer, as his coverage skills have a ways to go. My guess is, its prolly 60-40 Hayes starts the season at MLB, 50-50 he finishes the season there. Mitchell is prolly the starting MLB in 06, if he fully recovers from knee injury.

 

[mario8723]

For what it's worth, Ourlads currently has Darling at WLB, Huff at MLB, and Dansby at SLB. I'm not sure I'm too high on Mitchell either for this year or long-term. For those of you who that have Hayes, I think he may be worth a shot this year.Arizona IDPs always have good numbers. Anybody that has been playing with IDPs for any length of time knows that there are some teams who lean to the conservative side when counting tackles and assists and those that seemingly make up tackle numbers. Arizona would be in the latter category, to say the least. Remember that tackles are not an official statistic counted by the NFL, so it's up to the teams themselves to count those statistics. Needless to say, some are very generous. Whomever winds up in the middle will be a productive fantasy option...

 

[Rozelle]

Right on the money with "some teams are very generous". Not really related, but in a league I ran, one of our owners was listening to an Indianapolis Colts game on radio back in the late 80's and heard his guy, Cliff Odom of Indy in on alot of tackles. Needless to say he was expecting a huge game when he checked the box score in the USA Today on Monday. Odom wasn't even listed with a stat! This owner was and still is very competitive and actually called the Colts after calling USA Today. They told him tackles are not an official stat (which we already knew) and that the local sports writers that followed the team gave tackle stats. I don't know if that holds true today.

 

[Portis 26]

They told him tackles are not an official stat (which we already knew) and that the local sports writers that followed the team gave tackle stats. I don't know if that holds true today.

Dr Z has written about this at some length, but I think I'm right in saying that tackles USED to be compiled by all kinds of different sources, whether beat-writers or team members or whoever, and that caused huge discrepancies in tackle stats... but that they are now centrally compiled by Ourlads, so there shouldn't be the same discrepancies.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Let the saga continue...

Cardinals | Mitchell with Second String

Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:07:28 -0700

The East Valley Tribune's Darren Urban reports Arizona Cardinals rookie LB Lance Mitchell has already moved up to the team's second team defense. He backs up LB Gerald Hayes in the middle.

 

[P Boy]

Let the saga continue...

Cardinals | Mitchell with Second String

Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:07:28 -0700

The East Valley Tribune's Darren Urban reports Arizona Cardinals rookie LB Lance Mitchell has already moved up to the team's second team defense. He backs up LB Gerald Hayes in the middle.

Some people have forgotten (or maybe they never knew if they don't follow college football very closely) that before he was hurt vs Fresno St that Mitchell was on track to be the first LB picked in this year's draft.The guy runs like a deer (and has much better game speed than stopwatch speed), hits like a Mack truck, and has a nose for the football in both the rush D & pass D.

He's almost 2 full years removed from that injury. AZ got themselves a steal (as did I in our dynasty league). Hayes is looking over his shoulder right now...

 

[mario8723]

They told him tackles are not an official stat (which we already knew) and that the local sports writers that followed the team gave tackle stats. I don't know if that holds true today.

Dr Z has written about this at some length, but I think I'm right in saying that tackles USED to be compiled by all kinds of different sources, whether beat-writers or team members or whoever, and that caused huge discrepancies in tackle stats... but that they are now centrally compiled by Ourlads, so there shouldn't be the same discrepancies.

Happen to have a link?

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Gerald Hayes has a knee injury from the blogger. They are hoping it is a bone bruise, but if it keeps him out for a while Mitchell has his chance to take the job and run with it.

 

[ffchamp1]

Gerald Hayes has a knee injury from the blogger. They are hoping it is a bone bruise, but if it keeps him out for a while Mitchell has his chance to take the job and run with it.

If Hayes is out, this should be the opportunity that Mitchell needed. Anybody have any info on the severity of the knee, please post.Tom

 

[Rozelle]

I seen some of Arizona's game vs Dallas. Mitchell did not look all that impressive to me. He did not stand out. For the most part, this is the first time I've seen him play. Being a Mitchell owner, I was a little disappointed. But...hey, its still early.I thought Dockett and Okeafor looked good.

 

[ffchamp1]

I seen some of Arizona's game vs Dallas. Mitchell did not look all that impressive to me. He did not stand out. For the most part, this is the first time I've seen him play. Being a Mitchell owner, I was a little disappointed. But...hey, its still early.

I thought Dockett and Okeafor looked good.

Cardinals | Hayes Undergoing SurgeryTue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:16 -0700

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals MLB Gerald Hayes (knee) is undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery to determine the extent of his knee injury. He could have meniscus damage according to head coach Dennis Green.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I seen some of Arizona's game vs Dallas. Mitchell did not look all that impressive to me. He did not stand out. For the most part, this is the first time I've seen him play. Being a Mitchell owner, I was a little disappointed. But...hey, its still early.

I thought Dockett and Okeafor looked good.

Cardinals | Hayes Undergoing SurgeryTue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:16 -0700

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals MLB Gerald Hayes (knee) is undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery to determine the extent of his knee injury. He could have meniscus damage according to head coach Dennis Green.

I wonder if the Cards have any inclination to move Huff from WLB to MLB (and Darling from 2nd-string WLB to 1st-string WLB) while Hayes is on the shelf. Huff did play MLB for the Hawks...

 

[Renegades of Funk]

I wonder if the Cards have any inclination to move Huff from WLB to MLB (and Darling from 2nd-string WLB to 1st-string WLB) while Hayes is on the shelf. Huff did play MLB for the Hawks...

Considering Huff couldn't solidify a spot last year with Seattle hurting at LB I have my doubts. The word coming out of Cards camp is that he has looked really good at WLB. I think the ultimate decision will depend on how Mitchell develops. I saw parts of the pre-season game this past weekend and I wasn't overly impressed with Mitchell, but I'll give it a couple more games to see if he gets comfortable and starts making plays.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Off the Cards web site: They are going to plug Darling into MLB with Hayes out.Looks like Denny doesn't think Mitchell is ready, maybe he will change his mind if Mitchell can step up his play for the remaining pre-season games.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Off the Cards web site: They are going to plug Darling into MLB with Hayes out.

Looks like Denny doesn't think Mitchell is ready, maybe he will change his mind if Mitchell can step up his play for the remaining pre-season games.

Yup.Cardinals | Darling to Fill in for Hayes

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:10:48 -0700

The Associated Press reports Arizona Cardinals head coach Dennis Green said Tuesday, Aug. 16, that LB James Darling will take over at middle linebacker while LB Gerald Hayes (knee) is sidelined due to knee surgery.

 

[Donnybrook]

I seen some of Arizona's game vs Dallas.  Mitchell did not look all that impressive to me.  He did not stand out.  For the most part, this is the first time I've seen him play. Being a Mitchell owner, I was a little disappointed.  But...hey,  its still early.

I thought Dockett and Okeafor looked good.

Cardinals | Hayes Undergoing SurgeryTue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:16 -0700

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals MLB Gerald Hayes (knee) is undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery to determine the extent of his knee injury. He could have meniscus damage according to head coach Dennis Green.

Isn't that the same injury that Boldin had last year? If it is then I guess we can expect Hayes back by week 8.

 

[ffchamp1]

I seen some of Arizona's game vs Dallas.  Mitchell did not look all that impressive to me.  He did not stand out.  For the most part, this is the first time I've seen him play. Being a Mitchell owner, I was a little disappointed.  But...hey,  its still early.I thought Dockett and Okeafor looked good.

Cardinals | Hayes Undergoing Surgery

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:16 -0700

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals MLB Gerald Hayes (knee) is undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery to determine the extent of his knee injury. He could have meniscus damage according to head coach Dennis Green.

Isn't that the same injury that Boldin had last year? If it is then I guess we can expect Hayes back by week 8.

Cardinals | Hayes Out 8-to-12 Weeks

Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:54:56 -0700

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals LB Gerald Hayes (knee) will miss 8-to-12 weeks of action after having arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. He had meniscus damage according to head coach Dennis Green.

Tom

 

[Bloom]

I seen some of Arizona's game vs Dallas.  Mitchell did not look all that impressive to me.  He did not stand out.  For the most part, this is the first time I've seen him play. Being a Mitchell owner, I was a little disappointed.  But...hey,  its still early.

I thought Dockett and Okeafor looked good.

Cardinals | Hayes Undergoing SurgeryTue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:16 -0700

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals MLB Gerald Hayes (knee) is undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery to determine the extent of his knee injury. He could have meniscus damage according to head coach Dennis Green.

Isn't that the same injury that Boldin had last year? If it is then I guess we can expect Hayes back by week 8.

good call.

 

[Birdie048]

Looks like James Darling will start at MLB now!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2136997