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What's with Lamont. (1 Viewer)
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thecardiackid
Footballguy
The whole OAK offense is a red flag right now.
Moss and maybe Gabriel are about the only guys I'm considering from OAK this yr. (passing a lot from behind) Looks like they just lost their C for the year (IIRC), and while Brooks looked OK last outing, the O line is fugly.
As for Jordan, based on his ADP (late 1st or early 2nd) I just think there's a lot better (safer) options.
Moss and maybe Gabriel are about the only guys I'm considering from OAK this yr. (passing a lot from behind) Looks like they just lost their C for the year (IIRC), and while Brooks looked OK last outing, the O line is fugly.
As for Jordan, based on his ADP (late 1st or early 2nd) I just think there's a lot better (safer) options.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Lots of threads on this already.
To recap, Raider RBs under Shell have historically had very few receptions.
Proceed with caution.
To recap, Raider RBs under Shell have historically had very few receptions.
Proceed with caution.
awesome Lamont post. Who started this thread anyway?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Let someone else take Brooks.Grab Andrew Walter with a very late pick. He should be the starter at some point between week 6 and week 9 after Brooks destroys the morale of my team and "leads" them to five straight losses. I'm on record as saying that I'm not a huge Walter fan. I question if he has ANY heart whatsoever, judging from watching him at ASU against the top-tier teams in the PAC 10-- but he might be a fairly productive fantasy QB. If Oakland is out of the playoff race at the 3/4 mark of the season, which I suspect will be the case, they might just let the kid fling the ball all over the yard to see if they need to draft Brady Quinn in April.
Big Score
Footballguy
This is thread is about 15 down, Raiders C Grove to undergo a second MRI on shoulde, Update - Only a Muscle Strain
thecardiackid
Footballguy
They both play in the "bay area", so maybe that counts.awesome Lamont post. Who started this thread anyway?
Big Score
Footballguy
Just went through the full "Play By Play" for all the Raiders pre season games so far.
LaMont Jordan has had one catch for 4 yards, but it was nullified by penalty.
Other than that, he has no other targets!
Instead, it looks like the targets that were going to LaMont at the RB position last year, are now going to the TE position.
Down tick for LaMont's receptions, uptick for Anderson's receptions.
Different offensive philosphy perhaps?
Last year with Norv, keep the TE on the line for blocking and release the RB for short passes.
This year with Shell, keep the RB in for blocking and release the TE for the short passes?
LaMont Jordan has had one catch for 4 yards, but it was nullified by penalty.
Other than that, he has no other targets!
Instead, it looks like the targets that were going to LaMont at the RB position last year, are now going to the TE position.
Down tick for LaMont's receptions, uptick for Anderson's receptions.
Different offensive philosphy perhaps?
Last year with Norv, keep the TE on the line for blocking and release the RB for short passes.
This year with Shell, keep the RB in for blocking and release the TE for the short passes?
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Thanks for the update, and for pointing out my laziness
Though it still doesn't make me feel much more confident in the OAK O line... and therefor Jordan's potential this yr.280/1050/6 (w/ a couple Crockett vultures)
40/320/2
nygiants56
Footballguy
most people in here agreed that Lamont's receptions were due to drop 1/2, to 35 or so, but that his totals rushes would be up around 350-400 carries..but it looks like not only will his reception totals drop significantly, but his rushing stats could take a big hit as well..they just lost their center, too...this whole team is one giant red flag. I'd steer clear of them all, let someone else deal with the headache..He has not a single reception in the preseason. This is a red flag for me.I know it's just preseason but this is something to look at. I think a 70 recep RB could muster at least a few grabs. Norv Turner Dipped and maybe he took all of Lamonts grabs with him.
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Sheriff66
Footballguy
Until his knees give out in week 5... :(
Yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here. Are the Raiders really that much worse than they were last year? I dont think so. Lamont is awesome.
Big Score
Footballguy
In post #8 & again in post #11 (just two posts before yours)Raiders C Grove to undergo a second MRI on shoulde, Update - Only a Muscle Strain
How on earth did you manage to miss it?
massraider
Footballguy
Too bad the 49er game wasn't televised nationally, Lamont might be a candidate to take over LJ's spot in the top 3.
redman
Footballguy
Traders2001
Footballguy
L looked at the first 3 pre season games and decided to trade him .
1) he is nt that great RB to start with ( he would be successfull in the Bronco system ) but when your with a team with a bad OL and bad QB then you nedd exceptionnal talent to still be great . And he is not a exceptionnal talent just a average RB.
1) he is nt that great RB to start with ( he would be successfull in the Bronco system ) but when your with a team with a bad OL and bad QB then you nedd exceptionnal talent to still be great . And he is not a exceptionnal talent just a average RB.
LawFitz
Footballguy
LOL. Funny how things change around here... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=256535&hl=
For all of you now hating on Lamont, I will follow up my earlier reception prognostication by saying that if the Oline plays better (which I think they can as they continue to be molded by Shell/Slater/Eatman) Jordan has the talent to be similar to Rudi Johnson this year - lots of rushing yards and a decent amount of TDs. But even then, his catches will be way down from last year.
Well there line lost there center the other day. Thats not a good start to the season. I wouldn't touch Lamont even with your pick.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Jake Grove was playing like crap. This guy was drafted to be a stud, but has been as big a bust as Gallery save for the fact that he was a 2nd rounder and not the #2 pick overall. He just doesn't seem to have the strength needed to be a good center at this point in his development. Plus he will be back after the week 3 bye. It's not a loss that they can't overcome.But I agree that Lamont was overrated as a 1st rounder. Late 2nd round after some elite WRs are off the board he's a better risk. Tough part is that he and the Raiders have a good chance at busting big time if things don't get off to a good start and Shell loses the locker room.Well there line lost there center the other day. Thats not a good start to the season. I wouldn't touch Lamont even with your pick.
The Raiders are definitely a buyer beware team this year with some significant upside if things somehow do come together.
Full Disclosure: The only Raider I drafted this year was Sea Bass, but that was mostly a function of ADPs that were way too high for my taste.
LawFitz
Footballguy
It was the Lions and Niners, but the Raider Oline has now gone from dominated to dominant thru 4 games. Even with two backups this week, they looked very good. Considering the quality of the Iggles and ViQueens DLines and the newness of the OLine during that time, I'm developing optimism that the first two games were anomalous and this line is going to be at least decent this year.
With that, I like Jordan and all the Raiders more and more. OLine will be everything since the skill position talent is there and ready to produce. I see Jordan as much less risky if the trend in OLine play continues. Even with a notable drop in receptions, Rudi Johnson type stats are very realistic for the guy.
I'm very interested to see how this team plays on 9/11 on Monday night at home against their division foe. A win will do wonders for this VERY young team's confidence and momentum.
I really like what Shell has done so far overall. He has the team looking and feeling much better this preseason than they have in a long time.
With that, I like Jordan and all the Raiders more and more. OLine will be everything since the skill position talent is there and ready to produce. I see Jordan as much less risky if the trend in OLine play continues. Even with a notable drop in receptions, Rudi Johnson type stats are very realistic for the guy.
I'm very interested to see how this team plays on 9/11 on Monday night at home against their division foe. A win will do wonders for this VERY young team's confidence and momentum.
I really like what Shell has done so far overall. He has the team looking and feeling much better this preseason than they have in a long time.
I heard he called off practice the other day as a wake up call and from what I've heard it's really taking effect.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yeah, Shell did that right before the Niner game.The media mostly portrayed it negatively, but they've played pretty well since that point. This really looks like a team that is buying what Art is selling right now.The key will be momentum early in the season for all teams, but especially one like this with a new coach selling old school Raider mystique to a VERY young, humbled and surprisingly talented football team. Shell's doing a better than expected job so far than most, including myself, gave him credit for.
LawFitz
Footballguy
??? Considering most are predicting between 2-4 wins right now for this team, it's pretty hard to see how Shell could be overrated. Are you predicting 0 wins?
Big Score
Footballguy
He might actually be talking about the thread topic, as opposed to the
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Little harsh on Brooks there, no?I think Brooks has a great arm and has enough mobility in and around the pocket to have a very nice season this year. I am a big proponet of the change of scenery theory and I think Brooks is the prototype guy to prove me right. I am heartened by the speed and youth I have seen in the defense and have high hopes that Oakland won't be playing from behind so much this year. That being said, with a healthy moss and Jordan, and Porter (once the season starts of course
) give Brooks plenty of talent to work with on offense. He has the ability to move around if the line breaks down and to make throws on the move. I am hoping that Brooks can be a little more careful with the ball this year. I don't think Oakland wants to see Walter this year and from what I have seen so far, I don't think he is ready. I think Oakland broght Brooks in to try and win now, with this group. And I think a lot of teams are going to underestimate Oakland when they see them on the schedule, and that is going to be a mistake. If the D plays well (not even looking for great), I think Oakland and Brooks are going to surprise a lot of people.Change of scenery brother. It can make all the difference. Here's to easing off those negative vibes dude and thinking warm fuzzy thoughts about Brooks and the offense in 2006. 
LawFitz
Footballguy
Gotcha. Makes sense now.Yeah, I'd probably have to agree with that for those picking Lamont ahead of elite WRs in PPR and 3 WR leagues.He might actually be talking about the thread topic, as opposed to the
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I hear ya, but it's really REALLY hard for me to be in Brooks' camp.He isn't my kind of player. You never know though... I'll let him win me over.Little harsh on Brooks there, no?I think Brooks has a great arm and has enough mobility in and around the pocket to have a very nice season this year. I am a big proponet of the change of scenery theory and I think Brooks is the prototype guy to prove me right. I am heartened by the speed and youth I have seen in the defense and have high hopes that Oakland won't be playing from behind so much this year. That being said, with a healthy moss and Jordan, and Porter (once the season starts of course
Doug B
Footballguy
Ouch. I've been wrong plenty of times ... I know that smarts.I think Brooks has a great arm and has enough mobility in and around the pocket to have a very nice season this year. I am a big proponet of the change of scenery theory and I think Brooks is the prototype guy to prove me right. ...Change of scenery brother. It can make all the difference. Here's to easing off those negative vibes dude and thinking warm fuzzy thoughts about Brooks and the offense in 2006.
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