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When does Biden leave office? A pole (1 Viewer)

Year

  • 2022

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • 2023

    Votes: 10 15.6%

  • 2024

    Votes: 17 26.6%

  • 2025

    Votes: 33 51.6%
  • Total voters
    64
HellToupee said:
He can’t possibly serve more than 4 years, when does he leave?
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If he can make it mentally and physically 25 will be his last year for sure, not confidant of that at all though.

If things keep going south would not be surprised if he steps down in a year for so called "health reasons". At his advanced age it is understandable.

 
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Da Guru said:
If he can make it mentally and physically 24 will be his last year for sure, not confidant of that at all though.

If things keep going south would not be surprised if he steps down in a year for so called "health reasons". At his advanced age it is understandable.
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January 2025 is when he would leave office if he fully serves

 
HellToupee said:
No I said I should’ve had another choice , a chump choice as it’s called in the business . An option that could never come to fruition. S
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I don't know what business you are in but I couldn't find "chump choice" in a cursory search of the phrase that fits your so called definition or any definition.

https://www.google.com/search?q="chump+choice"&ei=jJKrYobcE-bEkPIPsJ6K8AE&ved=0ahUKEwiG0pbn57L4AhVmIkQIHTCPAh4Q4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq="chump+choice"&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoGCAAQHhAHOgUIABCGA0oECEEYAUoECEYYAFDhCVjzDGDRIWgBcAB4AIABmwGIAaADkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

 
HellToupee said:
No I said I should’ve had another choice , a chump choice as it’s called in the business . An option that could never come to fruition. S
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I'm not saying it's the most likely outcome, but I think it's not totally inconceivable that Biden runs again in '24 to put the final stake in Trump's political career, then resigns a couple years into his second term to give Kamala a head start.

I certainly think 2026 or 2027 are less of a "chump choice" than 2022, considering we're already halfway through the year.

 
squistion said:
I don't know what business you are in but I couldn't find "chump choice" in a cursory search of the phrase that fits your so called definition or any definition.

https://www.google.com/search?q="chump+choice"&ei=jJKrYobcE-bEkPIPsJ6K8AE&ved=0ahUKEwiG0pbn57L4AhVmIkQIHTCPAh4Q4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq="chump+choice"&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoGCAAQHhAHOgUIABCGA0oECEEYAUoECEYYAFDhCVjzDGDRIWgBcAB4AIABmwGIAaADkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
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Sorry but I’m not clicking on that crazy link. . Could be some modern Rick rolling etc

 
2025 would be leading the Vegas odds I assume.  Probably should have an option for 2nd term or 2028/29.  Politicians just never know when to get out and I’ve seen people age, then kind of plateau for a while.  I really hope he doesn’t run but if he does I’d say it’s even money he wins since I think Trump is his opponent.

 
HellToupee said:
He can’t possibly serve more than 4 years, when does he leave?
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HellToupee, my friend, while this might terrify you and others here, there is actually a narrow, but possible, pathway for Biden to hold onto POTUS in 2024.

It's a complex discussion, but the core scenario would play out

1) Trump gets the 2024 RNC ticket and is the GOP's nominee. And he picks the worst possible VPOTUS candidate possible for his situation - Likely Ben Carson.

2) Trump is still banned off of most of Big Social Media, still pushes the 2020 election nightmare, and his fundraising from previous cycles flee from him. Now he's cash poor with a thin financial warchest and no practical platform.

3) Biden enacts multiple executive orders that essentially "buys votes". Just outright "buys" them. Things like Student Loan Forgiveness would be the tip of the iceberg. Then DNC HQ coordinates with Big Blue Cities and Blue Strongholds with lefty Governors to do the same.

4) Team Blue pushes a stalking horse false front "Third Party" candidates to split the general election vote three ways. Probably a Hollywood actor.

5) Biden selects John Fetterman as his VPOTUS running mate.

6) Amy Klobuchar, locked in by the same big donor interests as Biden, takes command of the 2nd half of his administration and runs his campaign for him.

The current Democratic Party cannot win in a straight up free and fair election with just two traditional and practical candidates for 2024. A third candidate is needed to sap the GOP's vote. Biden then pulls ahead on accident.

6 and a half more years of Biden is basically a death sentence for the working class.

Put it this way, I've seen stupider things happen in my life.

 
HellToupee said:
Excellent post , as usual. But this part in particular is so true. I don’t think there has been a truer statement here in the psf. 
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Thanks.  My thinking is that as the election gets closer the Dems realize they have to get rid of this fossil.

 
It all about Kamala.   No question he wants some role in the first black woman president.  He's proven this multiple times.  Issue is she can't win in an election.  So he will run, depending on who the republican nominee is. Then he will step down and kamala becomes potus.  Thats the plan.  

 
GordonGekko said:
5) Biden selects John Fetterman as his VPOTUS running mate.
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Couple of things. What % range of chance do you think Biden is re-elected in 2024?

For the Fetterman as VP idea, this seems like a huge winner. But I also don't know much about him beyond the current buzz and fawning because he's so unique and charismatic. But today, knowing nothing more than that, I'd think Republicans would HATE to see Biden run Fetterman as VP which probably says a lot. 

 
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supermike80 said:
It all about Kamala.   No question he wants some role in the first black woman president.  He's proven this multiple times.  Issue is she can't win in an election.  So he will run, depending on who the republican nominee is. Then he will step down and kamala becomes potus.  Thats the plan.  
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The thought of him campaigning is absolutely laughable...he had the benefit of being able to hide in his basement with a friendly press in 2020...that would not be the case in 2024...seeing him campaign would actually be frightening...I cannot believe anyone thinks he would be capable of doing this...it would be embarrassing and just awful for the rest of the party...no way he runs.

 
On the VP discussion though, barring some kind of major change or scandal, there's next to zero chance Harris is replaced on the ticket for 2024, right?

 
Joe Bryant said:
On the VP discussion though, barring some kind of major change or scandal, there's next to zero chance Harris is replaced on the ticket for 2024, right?
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It would be tough...the dems are all in on identity politics and the blowback of replacing her would be tremendous (and if it was with a white male it would turn into a circus)...the potential off-ramp was Breyer's seat but now I think they are stuck with her unless it is 100% her decision to cut the cord from a sinking ship.

 
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The General said:
What are you suggesting happens?
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The polls prior to the midterms get so bad that Democrat leadership ask him to step down, most likely in September or October.  He resigns citing "health issues".  Kamala takes over and the Dems get a slight boost. Kamala gets some time to prove herself worthy of being the 2024 nominee.

If there was a Vote of No Confidence like in Parliamentary systems, Biden would be gone by now.  I can't think of anything good he has done other than beating Trump.  His Presidency has been a disaster - even worse than Jimmy Carter.

Who knows - maybe the Ashley Biden diary thing explodes.  Lots of rumors.  I heard the UK Daily mail is going to publish some salacious details tomorrow.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Couple of things. What % range of chance do you think Biden is re-elected in 2024?

For the Fetterman as VP idea, this seems like a huge winner. But I also don't know much about him beyond the current buzz and fawning because he's so unique and charismatic. But today, knowing nothing more than that, I'd think Republicans would HATE to see Biden run Fetterman as VP which probably says a lot. 
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This is a more than fair question.

If Biden survives the Mid Terms in terms of not being forced out of office (the pathway would be Obama simply handing RNC HQ and Ronna McDaniel something that operates as a "smoking gun" for impeachment, probably Afghanistan), then I'd say 30 percent.

The push/pull factor is Big Tech/Big Social Media. It's not just the risk of reform of Section 230, there's a decent chance some of the heads of Big Social Media can be nailed for perjury. Which is why the GOP kept dragging them in front of Congress. Big Social Media has a lot of whistleblowers in their ranks, and they are are pretty big risk here, they have every incentive to keep the status quo as long as possible. The ability for Biden ( really Susan Rice) to issue blanket pardons like he's reeled off a record number of Executive Orders, is the ace in the hole here. But he can only do that as POTUS. Big Social Media can't control the entire narrative, but they can push where the narrative happens, which is very powerful.

Fetterman leans hard Progressive if you scrutinize most of his pathway so far.  If he's asked to be VPOTUS, it means he cut a deal with Obama to protect the ACA, which is all that matters to Obama.

So the daisy chain to Biden/Fetterman is the DNC is asking the general public to vote for Biden on paper but to really vote for Fetterman. The problem is Fetterman is a "face time" politician and not a nuts and bolts politician. More to point, he doesn't really understand public policy. He's very raw. He's the anti-Klobuchar. So to vote for Biden/Fetterman would be actually voting for Brendan McPhillips, Fetterman's new campaign manager, to run the country. Who is an Obama loyalist. McPhillips would likely be Chief Of Staff for Fetterman, thus by default, making day to day decisions much in the way Susan Rice is right now.

McPhillips ideologically, on the political spectrum IRL and not on paper nor in the press, is basically somewhere between **** Cheney and Darth Vader. Susan Rice will be, for the third time in her career, picked up and thrown on her sword by Obama. I don't see many pathways where she's not purged out.

Gavin Newsom and Stacey Abrams are the only real "contenders" besides Biden for 2024. So his chances hinge neutralizing both of them. Abrams has a very difficult time facing Trump. Her entire pathway post 2018 mirrors Trump post 2020. There's about 15 million in dark money in the Georgia battle ground that's unaccounted for and no one is going to talk about it. Barnstorming 850K+ new voter registrations and converting them into voters can't be achieved without ballot harvesting and ballot chasing. It's just not logistically possible. Newsom keeps having affairs with his Staffers and that kind of scandal, while normalized in today's political world, will drive off suburban women voters, which is his only real advantage over other Blue candidates at the moment.

I don't think the GOP cares who runs for the Democrats. They can beat anyone with DeSantis and/or Nikki Haley. The problem is Trump. The Big Cheeto drives out voters to the booth. One for you and two against you.

Here's the ugly part. Here's saying the quiet part out loud. It's not pleasant.

If Joe Biden dropped dead today of natural causes, the entire Team Blue in private would celebrate.

If Donald Trump dropped dead today of natural causes, the entire Team Red in private would celebrate.

If both happened, the country would be safer.

My gut feeling, this is my own viewpoint and my own speculation, is it's likely one or both will be assassinated before 2024. Do I want that to happen? No. I believe just deliver wins for every day working class people and they will want to vote for you and you win lots of elections that way and with the majorities you have, you can push the kind of policy you want and enforce it withe Courts you infuse with your own loyalists. But there is massive media optics value for BOTH SIDES if it happens.

My litmus test here is if I ran media optics for the candidate, could I "sell them" to the American people. I can sell Fetterman. As a "political product", there are things naturally there I can work with and weaponize. I can't sell Biden, Harris, Buttigieg, Raimondo, Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders, Newsom and Abrams. I can't give you steak if you bring me a pack of hot dogs.

Here's the tipping point, I don't think Susan Rice sees it (mostly because she's incompetent), if she revived Obama's old "Cash For Clunkers" and basically forced Biden to use Executive Orders to literally give all Americans an electric vehicle, that would change the voting landscape. It would be impossible logistically, but the majority of the American public are low information voters. Combined with a stalking horse false front "Third Candidate", it might work.

Again, if Biden survives past the Mid Terms, a rough 30 percent.  But if it happens, it's just going to be so his handlers can keep robbing the piggy bank. No doubt that four more years on top of the next likely brutal 2 and a half, lots of Americans are going to die. I've been homeless before, I'd wager nearly all people here have not. The current trajectory, there are lots of vulnerable Americans who will end up on the streets and die there. I was fortunate, I was a teenager when it happened and I was able to find a way out. But many people I knew out there died there. A lot of people in the PSF see politics like a team sport. They see the stakes like some fantasy football league. They don't understand that real people are going to die over all this. Working class people already a paycheck and a half away from being totally homeless.

I've had to eat out of garbage can before not to starve. Some people here don't realize that they are a bad 3 months or a bad six months or a bad year away from having to share that experience.

 
Joe Bryant said:
On the VP discussion though, barring some kind of major change or scandal, there's next to zero chance Harris is replaced on the ticket for 2024, right?
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Why do you think this?

ETA There is historic precedent for VPs being replaced .

 
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Terminalxylem said:
Why do you think this?
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Imagine if you were Joey Harrington's agent and you manage to get him signed by a desperate team in the mud that needs a starting QB1.

And you want to create job security for Joey. So you call the agent for Chris Weinke and say, "Hey, this team needs a backup too!"

Now take the same scenario and apply it to Andrew Walter and Browning Nagle.

Now you understand why Joe Biden wants Kamala Harris locked in at the hip at this point.

Kamala Harris is the woke pathetic political spirit animal version of Browning Nagle.

 
Boston said:
The thought of him campaigning is absolutely laughable...he had the benefit of being able to hide in his basement with a friendly press in 2020...that would not be the case in 2024...seeing him campaign would actually be frightening...I cannot believe anyone thinks he would be capable of doing this...it would be embarrassing and just awful for the rest of the party...no way he runs.
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I agree with this. I hope the Dems force him to step down. 

 
GordonGekko said:
Imagine if you were Joey Harrington's agent and you manage to get him signed by a desperate team in the mud that needs a starting QB1.

And you want to create job security for Joey. So you call the agent for Chris Weinke and say, "Hey, this team needs a backup too!"

Now take the same scenario and apply it to Andrew Walter and Browning Nagle.

Now you understand why Joe Biden wants Kamala Harris locked in at the hip at this point.

Kamala Harris is the woke pathetic political spirit animal version of Browning Nagle.
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Fortunately, the other team looks to be starting Ryan Leaf.

 
GordonGekko said:
Imagine if you were Joey Harrington's agent and you manage to get him signed by a desperate team in the mud that needs a starting QB1.

And you want to create job security for Joey. So you call the agent for Chris Weinke and say, "Hey, this team needs a backup too!"

Now take the same scenario and apply it to Andrew Walter and Browning Nagle.

Now you understand why Joe Biden wants Kamala Harris locked in at the hip at this point.

Kamala Harris is the woke pathetic political spirit animal version of Browning Nagle.
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If I were Joey's Harrington's agent I would try to have a team sign him to play piano before games and during halftime.   :yes:

 
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