When does heavily weighted QB scoring impact draft strategy? (1 Viewer)

[mbrennan5]

You always hear about 6pt vs 4pt QB touchdowns and how that impacts draft strategy. I think my league favors QB's more than most leagues.

- At what point does your draft strategy change when the league has high scoring QB's?

- Does this scoring seem to favor QB's as much as I'm thinking?

- Does this breakdown justify taking a top tier QB early and ignoring the late round QB strategy? Draft Dominator leans towards a top 3 QB in the first 3 rounds.

- Can anyone share their final points?

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLX (RB/WR/TE)

Here's our 2013 final points (sorted using a VBD formula for for top 12 QB/TE and top 24 RB/WR):

QB 1 704
RB 1 506
RB 2 460
TE 1 421
RB 3 456
QB 2 604
WR 1 434
RB 4 388
WR 2 420
WR 3 413
RB 5 368
WR 4 408
WR 5 407
WR 6 394
RB 6 346
WR 7 388
WR 8 386
WR 9 375
TE 2 292
WR 10 372
WR 11 372
RB 7 327
TE 3 289
TE 4 288
RB 8 323
RB 9 323
RB 10 321
WR 12 364
TE 5 278
TE 6 276
RB 11 311
WR 13 354
QB 3 481
TE 7 263
RB 12 295
TE 8 258
RB 13 291
QB 4 468
WR 14 333
RB 14 288
RB 15 286
QB 5 464
WR 15 329
TE 9 247
RB 16 281
QB 6 457
QB 7 456
WR 16 322
RB 17 271
RB 18 266
TE 10 228
WR 17 308
RB 19 257
RB 20 255
WR 18 297
QB 8 427
WR 19 293
RB 21 246
QB 9 424
WR 20 284
QB 10 417
WR 21 280
TE 11 193
RB 22 228
WR 22 272
QB 11 405
WR 23 271
RB 23 226
QB 12 404

 

[Chaka]

QB scarcity impacts draft strategy more than anything else. This barely moves the needle, maybe you move on a top 3 QB a couple picks earlier but other than that it's not a big deal.

 

[babydemon90]

We did a 1 pt for 10 yds passing league a few years back.... Drew Brees went. #1 overall

 

[habsfan]

I play in one that awards 1 pt per completion. I was shocked to get Brees at 1.12.

 

[Sleeper 43]

IMO - There was a time when Manning, Brady, Brees were in a tier well beyond the others but it seems like in recent seasons the gap has narrowed significantly and now there are 7+ QBs that all have elite upside in any given week i.e Rivers, Cam, Cutler, Kaepernick, Wilson. This being said in this current state I don't think a QB heavy format is grounds to reach any earlier in the draft, I would rather wait it out and get RB/WR/ starting TE secure before considering a QB.

 

[Tool]

without analyzing the #'s in too much detail, scoring rules can absolutely make a difference. The question is how much.

 

[Gawain]

Playing in a league that gives 12 points for 50+ yard TDs, 3 points for 300 yard games, 4 for 400 yard games. If Rodgers is there at 1.12, think I have to take him.

 

[Insein]

As long as you still only need to start one, it doesn't really matter.

 

[ratbast]

If you dont have a top qb, you cant make up the difference. 10 extra 6 pt tds by your qb negates the other guy's RB2. 10 extra 3 pt passing tds is only 5 rb tds. etc

Bringing the QBs down to earth makes it more possible to win based on the rest of your team.

 

[Ilov80s]

If you dont have a top qb, you cant make up the difference. 10 extra 6 pt tds by your qb negates the other guy's RB2. 10 extra 3 pt passing tds is only 5 rb tds. etc

Bringing the QBs down to earth makes it more possible to win based on the rest of your team.

I know most support a 4 pt per TD pass because they think it makes QB value too high to go 6. In real football, isn't the QB the most important spot? Shouldn't that carry over to fantasy? It makes sense that Brees and Manning have elite value in fantasy as they do in reality.

 

[hines]

If you dont have a top qb, you cant make up the difference. 10 extra 6 pt tds by your qb negates the other guy's RB2. 10 extra 3 pt passing tds is only 5 rb tds. etc

Bringing the QBs down to earth makes it more possible to win based on the rest of your team.

I know most support a 4 pt per TD pass because they think it makes QB value too high to go 6. In real football, isn't the QB the most important spot? Shouldn't that carry over to fantasy? It makes sense that Brees and Manning have elite value in fantasy as they do in reality.

yes, this is the main problem with the standard scoring system. ours is weighted where the big QBs are always the highest paid players, this year Manning/Brees/Rodgers were the 3 most expensive players pretty easily. it makes sense

 

[ratbast]

If you dont have a top qb, you cant make up the difference. 10 extra 6 pt tds by your qb negates the other guy's RB2. 10 extra 3 pt passing tds is only 5 rb tds. etc

Bringing the QBs down to earth makes it more possible to win based on the rest of your team.

I know most support a 4 pt per TD pass because they think it makes QB value too high to go 6. In real football, isn't the QB the most important spot? Shouldn't that carry over to fantasy? It makes sense that Brees and Manning have elite value in fantasy as they do in reality.

They still have elite value. You must realize that this 4pts vs 6pts is not new and evolved somewhat out of necessity to make the game more fun. I am sure there are full articles you could find as old as 15 years.

 

[rick6668]

It can absolutely make a difference even if you start only one QB. One league I am in is a 16 team, start 1 QB. QB's get 6 points per TD and 1 point per completion -1 per incompletion.

QB points

P.Manning - 624

Brees - 522

Rivers - 428

Ryan - 379

Dalton - 354

Romo - 350

Roeth - 332

Luck - 318

Newton - 312

Stafford - 311

Foles - 296

Brady - 294

Wilson - 282

Palmer - 279

A. Smith - 270

Tannehill - 247

Kaep - 237

Flacco - 210

E. Manning - 162

RB
Charles - 288

WR
D.Thomas - 241

In order to compete, you MUST have a top end QB in this league. This is some crazy scoring, but just an example of where it can make a difference.
Last year in this league, 3-4 QB's were in the top 10 VBD drafting with DD.

 

[biju]

The funny thing is, everyone who has answered so far hasn't really taken a good look at your numbers. Obviously in this league drafting one of those top QBs is essential when QB1 and QB12 are separated by 300 points.

 

[massraider]

The funny thing is, everyone who has answered so far hasn't really taken a good look at your numbers. Obviously in this league drafting one of those top QBs is essential when QB1 and QB12 are separated by 300 points.

Yep.

 

[stbugs]

The funny thing is, everyone who has answered so far hasn't really taken a good look at your numbers. Obviously in this league drafting one of those top QBs is essential when QB1 and QB12 are separated by 300 points.

Yep.

Well, I don't think that is a good point when you are talking about the #1 QB last year having a historical season, i.e. probably the best season ever by a QB in a 6pt passing TD league. Manning set NFL records for passing TDs (by 5) and passing yards. He had 100 points more than QB2. That obviously won't happen every year. The #1 RB had 19 TDs, which has been done 35 times, i.e. almost every year.

If you look at the spread, it seems to me that the scoring seems pretty nicely spread out for all positions. Where QB12 is you see TE11, RB 23 and WR23, which are the bottom scoring starters. Seems to me that all positions are equally ranked (not perfectly, but close). In one of my leagues where QBs score a lot, you see clusters of QBs at the top, that said, the spread still makes them not too valuable just that all QBs score high.