Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Pretty self-explanatory here. Obviously, this is a VC decision, but should he be in?
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NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Yes and he will, but he's a long way from consideration. All he has to do is show up for the next 10-15 years, he can't exactly retire right now and get in, but his work was quite important and he deserves to be in.
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
6 seasons.
301 ABs.
66 Hits.
3 HRs.
.219 career BA
I say no. But if he manage another 2,944 more hits, I'll have to rethink my position.
301 ABs.
66 Hits.
3 HRs.
.219 career BA
I say no. But if he manage another 2,944 more hits, I'll have to rethink my position.
Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's? 
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Um, no.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.guru_007 said:Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
The playoffs are all ####### luck down?Koya said:
Eephus
Footballguy
The list of Executives in the baseball hall is pretty short. Most of them are ex-Commissioners and longtime owners. Famous ex-GMs like Buzzy Bavasi and Frank Lane have never gotten much support. I'd argue John Schuerholz has better credentials than Beane, but even he's not likely for induction.HoF Executives are a fraudulent boy's club anyways as long as Marvin Miller isn't voted in.Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.guru_007 said:Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
No argument needed. You're right.The list of Executives in the baseball hall is pretty short. Most of them are ex-Commissioners and longtime owners. Famous ex-GMs like Buzzy Bavasi and Frank Lane have never gotten much support. I'd argue John Schuerholz has better credentials than Beane, but even he's not likely for induction.HoF Executives are a fraudulent boy's club anyways as long as Marvin Miller isn't voted in.Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.guru_007 said:Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
Koya
Footballguy
Yes, because that's a BS line. Playoffs = a lot of luck, but FAR from all luck.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
You are right on all points, and I may have spoke too soon when I said he WILL be in. I should have said, he SHOULD be in. I think Scherolz should be in as well, and stop having elections if Marvin Miller can't join the party.That said though, I think innovation counts for something, and while Beane's theories are nothing new under the sun, the widespread implementation and practice of them, along with the elevated profile from the moneyball book really give him a unique prescence. Would he be the first gay hall of famer?The list of Executives in the baseball hall is pretty short. Most of them are ex-Commissioners and longtime owners. Famous ex-GMs like Buzzy Bavasi and Frank Lane have never gotten much support. I'd argue John Schuerholz has better credentials than Beane, but even he's not likely for induction.HoF Executives are a fraudulent boy's club anyways as long as Marvin Miller isn't voted in.Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
Eephus
Footballguy
Sandy Koufax down?Wrong Billy Beane/Bean anywayYou are right on all points, and I may have spoke too soon when I said he WILL be in. I should have said, he SHOULD be in. I think Scherolz should be in as well, and stop having elections if Marvin Miller can't join the party.That said though, I think innovation counts for something, and while Beane's theories are nothing new under the sun, the widespread implementation and practice of them, along with the elevated profile from the moneyball book really give him a unique prescence. Would he be the first gay hall of famer?The list of Executives in the baseball hall is pretty short. Most of them are ex-Commissioners and longtime owners. Famous ex-GMs like Buzzy Bavasi and Frank Lane have never gotten much support. I'd argue John Schuerholz has better credentials than Beane, but even he's not likely for induction.HoF Executives are a fraudulent boy's club anyways as long as Marvin Miller isn't voted in.Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Koufax is a fruit?Sandy Koufax down?Wrong Billy Beane/Bean anywayYou are right on all points, and I may have spoke too soon when I said he WILL be in. I should have said, he SHOULD be in. I think Scherolz should be in as well, and stop having elections if Marvin Miller can't join the party.That said though, I think innovation counts for something, and while Beane's theories are nothing new under the sun, the widespread implementation and practice of them, along with the elevated profile from the moneyball book really give him a unique prescence. Would he be the first gay hall of famer?The list of Executives in the baseball hall is pretty short. Most of them are ex-Commissioners and longtime owners. Famous ex-GMs like Buzzy Bavasi and Frank Lane have never gotten much support. I'd argue John Schuerholz has better credentials than Beane, but even he's not likely for induction.HoF Executives are a fraudulent boy's club anyways as long as Marvin Miller isn't voted in.Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
Eephus
Footballguy
In 2003, the New York Post ran a blind gossip item implying that he was. The paper later apologized.But Koufax is unmarried and impeccably groomed.Koufax is a fruit?Sandy Koufax down?Wrong Billy Beane/Bean anywayYou are right on all points, and I may have spoke too soon when I said he WILL be in. I should have said, he SHOULD be in. I think Scherolz should be in as well, and stop having elections if Marvin Miller can't join the party.That said though, I think innovation counts for something, and while Beane's theories are nothing new under the sun, the widespread implementation and practice of them, along with the elevated profile from the moneyball book really give him a unique prescence. Would he be the first gay hall of famer?The list of Executives in the baseball hall is pretty short. Most of them are ex-Commissioners and longtime owners. Famous ex-GMs like Buzzy Bavasi and Frank Lane have never gotten much support. I'd argue John Schuerholz has better credentials than Beane, but even he's not likely for induction.HoF Executives are a fraudulent boy's club anyways as long as Marvin Miller isn't voted in.Because with one of the smallest payrolls in the majors, he's won at a high level consistently since he's been there (one of the best records in the majors), his methods have transformed the casual fan's view of the game, and he's the second-most highly publicized GM in the game.I'm not saying whether or not he should be in, but there are reasons he should be considered.Why exactly should he be in? He's been GM of the A's since 1997, right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they haven't won a WS title since '89. They haven't won an AL Pennant since '90. And there is pretty compelling evidence that the steroid age has it's roots smack dab in the middle of the bay area.....McGwire, Canseco, Tejada, Giambi, weren't they all A's?
TLEF316
Footballguy
If they are all luck, why haven't they had any of the good luck?The A's have done a great job with how limited their payroll is. But HOF? Come on. The A's have never won a WS. Heck, they haven't even gotten to one. The giambi's and Tejada were obviously caught up in the steroid era. The so-called "great" money ball draft produced nothing in terms of long term pieces (Jeremy Brown, seriously) Great GM, considering what they have to work with, but not even remotely close the HoF.
Koya
Footballguy
He did pretty good for a while with limited resources.Thats a nice job, but it's hardly HoF, as you mention.Also, while there is a luck component in the playoffs, some teams are simpy better able to win at that time. The great challange in baseball is that the postseason is so different from the regular season in that regular season games, with 162 of them, mean SO little each. It is beyond a marathon. Then, suddenly, every AB counts. To build a team that can first win the long, long haul, and then perform when the whole approach changes is what makes great teams.It was not luck that the yankees won 4 WS. Some? Sure... but overall they had the ability to get to the playoffs and a team very well suited to win playoff games (bullpen, no blown leads for an extended period, a solid lineup up and down and a great approach to the game). I think that you have to say there is more to it than just luck that the A's have had SO little postseason success, generally speaking. Yes, that one Jeter play and they have another series win, but nothing else shows us that the A's were a team built for postseason success for whatever reason.TLEF316 said:
428143
Footballguy
If one of the A's teams that had Mulder/Zito/Hudson/Giambi/Tejada in their primes had won the WS(and they were plenty good enough, simply didn't get the breaks) I think Beane would warrent consideration at this point. He still has time, but he does need to win a WS. His methods have changed the game, that much is certain...
Your Mother
Footballguy
You should probably stick to Duke bandwagon-jumping. HTH.TLEF316 said:
TLEF316
Footballguy
And this is relevant how? TIA.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Seriously, why hasn't this gotten more votes?
