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Where are the Ben Tate Lovers now? (1 Viewer)

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The Tate love has been overwhelming on this board over the last several weeks. One poster even went as far as to say that Tate owners had "won their fantasy leagues."

I think Foster put to bed any thought today that Tate will be stealing any thunder from him for the rest of the season. I realize Tate got nicked today, but it was clear from the opening drive that Foster was back at 100% and there is no question he is the better back. Best case going forward for Tate is he gets 6-8 touches a game spelling the superior back.

 
Tate went 20 yards on his first run. If he doesnt get hurt, the split easily wouldve been Foster 18-22 carries and Tate 10-14 carries. Now maybe that sways more towards Foster a few weeks from now, but if Tate is running just as good, it makes no sense to not give him touches as well. No need to run Foster into the ground.

 
Fantastic handcuff.

That's it.

Anyone who thought otherwise (and there were PLENTY)were sadly mistaken.

Pantherclub, please remove thine lips from my buttocks.

 
i still have man-love for Tate. i hope he gets healthy soon. has a great OLine blocking for him and at the very least is a good handcuff to Foster. Arian looked strong today against the steelers but you never know when Tate will get another shot.

 
The Tate love has been overwhelming on this board over the last several weeks. One poster even went as far as to say that Tate owners had "won their fantasy leagues." I think Foster put to bed any thought today that Tate will be stealing any thunder from him for the rest of the season. I realize Tate got nicked today, but it was clear from the opening drive that Foster was back at 100% and there is no question he is the better back. Best case going forward for Tate is he gets 6-8 touches a game spelling the superior back.
dude tate got hurt, if not it would of been closer to 50 50
 
The Tate love has been overwhelming on this board over the last several weeks. One poster even went as far as to say that Tate owners had "won their fantasy leagues." I think Foster put to bed any thought today that Tate will be stealing any thunder from him for the rest of the season. I realize Tate got nicked today, but it was clear from the opening drive that Foster was back at 100% and there is no question he is the better back. Best case going forward for Tate is he gets 6-8 touches a game spelling the superior back.
dude tate got hurt, if not it would of been closer to 50 50
Woulda, coulda... There is no way this becomes anything LESS than a 75/25, if Foster remains healthy.Comes back, and outdoes everything Tate has done so far. Tate has talent, I'm glad I have him as a handcuff. But this argument has been laid to rest.
 
Personally I think the only thing more ignorant than suggesting that Tate made Foster obsolete with a few good weeks is the notion that a good game back from Foster where Tate got hurt makes Tate irrelevant.

Perhaps tempering all reactions would be a good idea since things change quickly in the NFL.

 
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Personally I think the only thing more ignorant than suggesting that Tate made Foster obsolete with a few good weeks is the notion that a good game back from Foster where Tate got hurt makes Tate irrelevant. Perhaps tempering all reactions would be a good idea since things change quickly in the NFL.
Good posting.
 
Too many people are bothering to post opinions in all of these Foster/Tate threads that have not watched the games and have no real idea about what occurred, greatly clouding the reality of the situation. The fact of the matter is that Foster was dominating the workload BEFORE the injury. Including 2 plays that were called back due to penalty, Foster had an 8-2 carry advantage over Tate BEFORE the injury. If you are going to attempt to say that the split will be anything different than something very close to this between the 2 moving forward, THEN IT IS CLEAR YOU DID NOT WATCH THE GAME. Foster was night and day better and the difference between him and Tate is simply vast at this point in time. The injury probably added 5-6 touches to Foster's total workload, but it was evident from the very first snap of the game that Foster was back to owning this backfield and was the clear cut, #1, no doubt about it lead back and bell cow.

I fully expect the Texans to use Tate like the Steelers use Redman, minus the 3rd down work- they will spell Foster for ~1 series per half with Tate, but otherwise Foster is going to dominate this backfield because he is simply too dynamic and frankly just too damn good to take the ball out of his hands for any more than that. 6-10 touches weekly for Tate is realistic, but expecting anything more than that is simply ignoring the blatant evidence that has been shown by on field performance.

That being said, Foster's injury still is something to consider and still makes it impossible to feel truly confident about him. However, the only worry here is that he strains the hamstring again, NOT that he will be in any form of timeshare if he is healthy.

 
Please, Tate got hurt or you may have seen more of a split. I own Tate and will hold him for a few more games to see if this hammy flares up again.

 
Please, Tate got hurt or you may have seen more of a split. I own Tate and will hold him for a few more games to see if this hammy flares up again.
Of course you hold him, it's very possible Foster could have further hamstring problems as the season progresses.However, as I said before, there isn't going to be any kind of "split" to speak of. The stone cold reality is that Ben Tate is strictly a backup and the Texans were using him as such even before he was hurt. During their opening drive, which was incredibly long, the ONLY time Tate touched the field was when Foster tapped himself out because he was tired. This is what resulted in an 8-2 carry difference and is a good indicator of how this will play out assuming Foster is healthy. As I said, things like that are only going to be known if you watched the game and saw how things transpired rather than just looking at the numbers (even if the numbers indicate the same exact thing in this instance).
 
Please, Tate got hurt or you may have seen more of a split. I own Tate and will hold him for a few more games to see if this hammy flares up again.
Of course you hold him, it's very possible Foster could have further hamstring problems as the season progresses.However, as I said before, there isn't going to be any kind of "split" to speak of. The stone cold reality is that Ben Tate is strictly a backup and the Texans were using him as such even before he was hurt. During their opening drive, which was incredibly long, the ONLY time Tate touched the field was when Foster tapped himself out because he was tired. This is what resulted in an 8-2 carry difference and is a good indicator of how this will play out assuming Foster is healthy. As I said, things like that are only going to be known if you watched the game and saw how things transpired rather than just looking at the numbers (even if the numbers indicate the same exact thing in this instance).
This is silliness. Of course there starting RB was owning the touch share in the opening drive. You have no idea how the game would have played out had Tate not gotten injured. I don't care one way or another as I own neither player in any league. I'm just pissed the Steelers D looks like crap this year. :rant: The speculation in these threads is hilarious, on both sides of the fence.
 
Please, Tate got hurt or you may have seen more of a split. I own Tate and will hold him for a few more games to see if this hammy flares up again.
Of course you hold him, it's very possible Foster could have further hamstring problems as the season progresses.However, as I said before, there isn't going to be any kind of "split" to speak of. The stone cold reality is that Ben Tate is strictly a backup and the Texans were using him as such even before he was hurt. During their opening drive, which was incredibly long, the ONLY time Tate touched the field was when Foster tapped himself out because he was tired. This is what resulted in an 8-2 carry difference and is a good indicator of how this will play out assuming Foster is healthy. As I said, things like that are only going to be known if you watched the game and saw how things transpired rather than just looking at the numbers (even if the numbers indicate the same exact thing in this instance).
The Tate > Foster posters were ridiculous but by the same token it is ridiculous to say tate wont see a bigger share than this game indicates once he returns healthy. If Kubiak wants Foster to make it through an entire season he better be cautious with the work load. One game does not make a trend my friend.
 
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Please, Tate got hurt or you may have seen more of a split. I own Tate and will hold him for a few more games to see if this hammy flares up again.
Of course you hold him, it's very possible Foster could have further hamstring problems as the season progresses.However, as I said before, there isn't going to be any kind of "split" to speak of. The stone cold reality is that Ben Tate is strictly a backup and the Texans were using him as such even before he was hurt. During their opening drive, which was incredibly long, the ONLY time Tate touched the field was when Foster tapped himself out because he was tired. This is what resulted in an 8-2 carry difference and is a good indicator of how this will play out assuming Foster is healthy. As I said, things like that are only going to be known if you watched the game and saw how things transpired rather than just looking at the numbers (even if the numbers indicate the same exact thing in this instance).
Exactly. The logical people in all these threads have maintained that Tate will always have a role, and him having that role is a good thing for Foster owners. You should never want your primary RB to get 30 carries a game. But the talent discrepancy is clear...Foster will get his 65% going forward.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.

 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
McFadden, Rice, McCoy, Foster, Chris Johnson, Jonathan Stewart, MJD- from a talent standpoint alone, it's pretty difficult to distinguish any of those 7 guys from one another (I think if you polled 100 different people, you may get 100 different answers). However, I still do agree that Peterson is a cut above.But yes, Tate doesn't come close to being in this group and I suppose that is the point of this entire Texan's running back saga. ANY decent running back is going to be able to put up stats in this Kubiak regime, especially given how good the offensive line is, but Foster is an awful lot better than just your run of the mill decent running back. Teams that have these upper tier running backs tend to ride them unless they have another similarly talented running back on the roster (such as in Carolina with DeAngelo and Stewart). You would need to view Tate as one of the 7 or 8 best running backs in the NFL to think that he will be used as much more than a backup to Foster and a player to give him a rest. Having seen every carry of Tate's short 4 game NFL career, I can't say that I yet see him being anywhere close to this upper tier group.

 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
 
Tate went 20 yards on his first run. If he doesnt get hurt, the split easily wouldve been Foster 18-22 carries and Tate 10-14 carries. Now maybe that sways more towards Foster a few weeks from now, but if Tate is running just as good, it makes no sense to not give him touches as well. No need to run Foster into the ground.
With all due respect to Mr. Tate, I thought two things immediately after his 20 yard run - 1) I haven't such an obvious gaping hole since my last trip to brazzers.com, and 2) any of the 8-10 elite RBs in the NFL would have housed that run. One move and he would have seen nothing but daylight, but he couldn't make it.
 
Tate went 20 yards on his first run. If he doesnt get hurt, the split easily wouldve been Foster 18-22 carries and Tate 10-14 carries. Now maybe that sways more towards Foster a few weeks from now, but if Tate is running just as good, it makes no sense to not give him touches as well. No need to run Foster into the ground.
With all due respect to Mr. Tate, I thought two things immediately after his 20 yard run - 1) I haven't such an obvious gaping hole since my last trip to brazzers.com, and 2) any of the 8-10 elite RBs in the NFL would have housed that run. One move and he would have seen nothing but daylight, but he couldn't make it.
:jawdrop: :excited: :lmao:
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
He just gets no love because where he came from. It's ok if you have a narrow view on things, but talent isn't exclusively produced from big name colleges. Oh and wasn't he supposed to do worse without Vonta Leach? There are maybe 3-4 RBs with more talent then him, anything past that is a stretch.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
He just gets no love because where he came from. It's ok if you have a narrow view on things, but talent isn't exclusively produced from big name colleges. Oh and wasn't he supposed to do worse without Vonta Leach? There are maybe 3-4 RBs with more talent then him, anything past that is a stretch.
WTF are you talking about? Foster came from Tennessee, one of the most famous football factories in the country.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
He just gets no love because where he came from. It's ok if you have a narrow view on things, but talent isn't exclusively produced from big name colleges. Oh and wasn't he supposed to do worse without Vonta Leach? There are maybe 3-4 RBs with more talent then him, anything past that is a stretch.
WTF are you talking about? Foster came from Tennessee, one of the most famous football factories in the country.
Meant draft position. You are right. ;) Edit* but we will never see eye-to-eye on Foster. I've seen the kid run enough to know he is something special.

 
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I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
He just gets no love because where he came from. It's ok if you have a narrow view on things, but talent isn't exclusively produced from big name colleges. Oh and wasn't he supposed to do worse without Vonta Leach? There are maybe 3-4 RBs with more talent then him, anything past that is a stretch.
WTF are you talking about? Foster came from Tennessee, one of the most famous football factories in the country.
:lmao: That and "get's no love." Really? Must be new here. The guy was the consensus #1 player in most fantasy leagues heading into this year. If that isn't love than I don't know what is.

 
Tate is a good RB, and good enough to be a starter in the NFL. He does not compare favorably to Foster though. Tate gets the handoff and usually heads for where the hole is supposed to be full speed. He generally cannot cut it all the way back because of how he runs. Foster on the other hand runs with patience. A lot of his big runs start out towards one tackle and then he completely cuts it back outside the other end of the line. He had one today in the first half where Tate could not have made the cut back that Foster did.

Another big difference between them is elusiveness and tackle-breaking. Foster led the league last year in broken tackles, was second in RB receptions and led the league in RB receiving yards. He has a good stiff arm. Tate has shown some decent moves making people miss in the scrum, but he hasn't shown the kind of ability in the open field that Foster has. Tate is strong between the tackles. He hits defenders hard and drags them for a couple of yards. He's a bowling ball. But I've also noticed that sometimes he actually seeks out contact with a defender where Foster would have tried to put a move on the guy and gone for another 20 yards. I first noticed it with Tate in preseason and have continued to see it since. Great example was a 4th quarter play against the Colts where Tate got the ball around the edge and only Pat Angerer was anywhere close to him. Tate went right at Angerer, trying to bowl him over rather than make him miss. If he'd made him miss he might have taken it in for a touchdown. Instead he maybe gained an extra yard or two by attacking Angerer.

It makes a difference. Foster isn't going to make every guy miss, or break every tackle, but all it takes is one more of those a game to turn a 10 yard run into a 40 yard touchdown. And that elusiveness serves him well in the passing game where he can get the ball in space. At 230 lbs it is tough to arm tackle Foster, and that extra elusiveness he shows over Tate makes it tough to get him wrapped up well.

When both are healthy Tate will get touches. He'll be in whenever Foster needs a breather, plus I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a series every now and then. I've really never had much fear that Foster would not be the full time starter though. When watching the qualities that each has as a RB rather than the stat line, it's very clear to me that Foster is the better running back and gives the Texans more flexibility.

 
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I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
He just gets no love because where he came from. It's ok if you have a narrow view on things, but talent isn't exclusively produced from big name colleges. Oh and wasn't he supposed to do worse without Vonta Leach? There are maybe 3-4 RBs with more talent then him, anything past that is a stretch.
WTF are you talking about? Foster came from Tennessee, one of the most famous football factories in the country.
:lmao: That and "get's no love." Really? Must be new here. The guy was the consensus #1 player in most fantasy leagues heading into this year. If that isn't love than I don't know what is.
He gets FF love. But people always say its his situation and not his talent. I disagree obviously.
 
He gets FF love. But people always say its his situation and not his talent. I disagree obviously.
He's got plenty of talent. I haven't tried to say otherwise. Still, I think there are at least 8 or so RBs I'd rather have from a talent standpoint. That's still great company to be in the top 10 of the NFL.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
If by most, you mean top half then yes.
He just gets no love because where he came from. It's ok if you have a narrow view on things, but talent isn't exclusively produced from big name colleges. Oh and wasn't he supposed to do worse without Vonta Leach? There are maybe 3-4 RBs with more talent then him, anything past that is a stretch.
WTF are you talking about? Foster came from Tennessee, one of the most famous football factories in the country.
Meant draft position. You are right. ;) Edit* but we will never see eye-to-eye on Foster. I've seen the kid run enough to know he is something special.
OK, I understand now. The Texans OL is great. Foster's backup ripped it up last season when spelling him. I'd like to see more before I give most of the credit to the guy.
 
Tate is a good RB, and good enough to be a starter in the NFL. He does not compare favorably to Foster though. Tate gets the handoff and usually heads for where the hole is supposed to be full speed. He generally cannot cut it all the way back because of how he runs. Foster on the other hand runs with patience. A lot of his big runs start out towards one tackle and then he completely cuts it back outside the other end of the line. He had one today in the first half where Tate could not have made the cut back that Foster did.Another big difference between them is elusiveness and tackle-breaking. Foster led the league last year in broken tackles, was second in RB receptions and led the league in RB receiving yards. He has a good stiff arm. Tate has shown some decent moves making people miss in the scrum, but he hasn't shown the kind of ability in the open field that Foster has. Tate is strong between the tackles. He hits defenders hard and drags them for a couple of yards. He's a bowling ball. But I've also noticed that sometimes he actually seeks out contact with a defender where Foster would have tried to put a move on the guy and gone for another 20 yards. I first noticed it with Tate in preseason and have continued to see it since. Great example was a 4th quarter play against the Colts where Tate got the ball around the edge and only Pat Angerer was anywhere close to him. Tate went right at Angerer, trying to bowl him over rather than make him miss. If he'd made him miss he might have taken it in for a touchdown. Instead he maybe gained an extra yard or two by attacking Angerer.It makes a difference. Foster isn't going to make every guy miss, or break every tackle, but all it takes is one more of those a game to turn a 10 yard run into a 40 yard touchdown. And that elusiveness serves him well in the passing game where he can get the ball in space. At 230 lbs it is tough to arm tackle Foster, and that extra elusiveness he shows over Tate makes it tough to get him wrapped up well.When both are healthy Tate will get touches. He'll be in whenever Foster needs a breather, plus I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a series every now and then. I've really never had much fear that Foster would not be the full time starter though. When watching the qualities that each has as a RB rather than the stat line, it's very clear to me that Foster is the better running back and gives the Texans more flexibility.
Very :goodposting:
 
Tate went 20 yards on his first run. If he doesnt get hurt, the split easily wouldve been Foster 18-22 carries and Tate 10-14 carries. Now maybe that sways more towards Foster a few weeks from now, but if Tate is running just as good, it makes no sense to not give him touches as well. No need to run Foster into the ground.
With all due respect to Mr. Tate, I thought two things immediately after his 20 yard run - 1) I haven't such an obvious gaping hole since my last trip to brazzers.com, and 2) any of the 8-10 elite RBs in the NFL would have housed that run. One move and he would have seen nothing but daylight, but he couldn't make it.
:jawdrop: :excited: :lmao:
:goodposting: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Too many people are bothering to post opinions in all of these Foster/Tate threads that have not watched the games and have no real idea about what occurred, greatly clouding the reality of the situation. The fact of the matter is that Foster was dominating the workload BEFORE the injury. Including 2 plays that were called back due to penalty, Foster had an 8-2 carry advantage over Tate BEFORE the injury.
Newsflash: lots of teams have their RBs alternate series. Tate got injured on the first series, so we'll never know what Kubiak was planning.Seriously, what's with the attitude here? You're acting like being a Tate fan is a crime against humanity. Chill out.
 
Too many people are bothering to post opinions in all of these Foster/Tate threads that have not watched the games and have no real idea about what occurred, greatly clouding the reality of the situation. The fact of the matter is that Foster was dominating the workload BEFORE the injury. Including 2 plays that were called back due to penalty, Foster had an 8-2 carry advantage over Tate BEFORE the injury.
Newsflash: lots of teams have their RBs alternate series. Tate got injured on the first series, so we'll never know what Kubiak was planning.Seriously, what's with the attitude here? You're acting like being a Tate fan is a crime against humanity. Chill out.
Actually it has nothing to do with any particular player. I always think it sucks when someone glances at a box score and then proclaims to have intimate knowledge of how the game actually went. I generally find that it causes a great amount of misinformation to be given out. I have seen an above average amount of it with this Texans RB situation, as people have looked at Tate's stats and simply proclaimed him Foster's equal (or whatever level you want to put to that- 95% of Foster, 90% of Foster, etc...). I think it is bad practice to make sweeping generalizations off of stats alone without having seen the players play and I get the feeling that in this particular situation, only a small portion of the people chiming in have actually watched Tate play. I apologize if it came off as anger, as I didn't mean it so (or at least I didn't mean it in the form it obviously was taken).
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
thats going quite a bit too far (mcfadden and mccoy obv) but foster is really good and even if he is a product of the system, he clearly accentuates the system.
 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
People who think all those RBs are better than Foster must be smoking crack.

 
I don't own either guy, but I watched the entire game today (much to my regret as a Steeler fan.)

It's not that Tate isn't a good back; I think he is. It's that Foster is a SPECIAL back. He put a move on Polamalu today that I've rarely seen a RB able to do. Right now this kid is only behind Peterson as the best running back in the league. IMO.
There are several other RBs better IMO. McFadden, Rice and McCoy for sure. I'd say Charles (when healthy of course), Jackson, Forte and Johnson are all likely better as well. None the less, Foster IS the best RB on his team. A team that is the best run blocking team in the NFL right now. He is very talented and still one of the better RBs in the NFL.
It's amazing that someone with his talent level gets such little respect. Foster is one of the most talented RBs in the league today.
People who think all those RBs are better than Foster must be smoking crack.
There are very few RBs who we can call better, and only because they have done it years consecutive.Foster, now seemingly healthy, should be able to pull off another great season... And in the process, should solidify himself as an "elite" runner, to those who were doubting him.

To me, it's clear as day when you watch him play that he is elite. Hell, What'd Tate do in his 3 games that Foster didn't do in his 1?

Anyways... The system is great in HOU, no doubt. Great system + Elite runner + health = near repeat of last season.

Health is the only 'unknown' which is the indicator of a timeshare or 80/20 split.

 
By the way, for anyone wanting to see what I mean about Foster having better vision and cut back ability, check the video of his 42 yard touchdown: http://sportznutz.com/2011/10/02/nfl-highlights-arian-fosters-42-yard-touchdown-run/

It looked like it was designed to go between the left tackle and guard, but Foster cut it back completely outside the right tackle who had drove his man upfield. There have been a couple of plays this year where I would watch Tate in very similar plays where it looked like there were more yards to be had cutting it back as hard as Foster did. But Tate is quicker to the line so less chance to see that let alone make it, and I'm not sure he has as much agility as Foster.

 
Is this where the sanctimonious Foster owners congregate to proclaim him incapable of being reinjured and on his way to single season rushing and scoring records?

Foster looked good - hammies linger - hopefully he is past it, but I wouldn't start spending your championship money just yet.

On the other hand - man am I glad I traded Tate last week.

 
I don't own either players but I've watched all the Texans games, and it's extremely obvious Foster is the better running back. Foster's vision continues to impress me.

 
I don't own either players but I've watched all the Texans games, and it's extremely obvious Foster is the better running back. Foster's vision continues to impress me.
Agreed. The difference between Foster and Tate are the "wow" plays. Foster makes them; Tate doesn't. Hence, Foster is a special back; Tate is a good back. There's nothing wrong with being a good back. If Foster weren't around, Tate would be very productive in that system. Foster made two "wow" plays in yesterday's game. The move he put on Polamalu when the Texans were backed up near the endzone, and the cutback on his long TD run. I've watched every Texans' game this season, and have yet to see Tate make a play remotely close to either of those. And unfortunately for Tate, and all of the other "good" backs in the league, you can't teach that. You either have it or you don't.
 
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Is this where the sanctimonious Foster owners congregate to proclaim him incapable of being reinjured and on his way to single season rushing and scoring records?Foster looked good - hammies linger - hopefully he is past it, but I wouldn't start spending your championship money just yet.On the other hand - man am I glad I traded Tate last week.
I agree with all of this. I think most of the responses in this thread are directed at people stating that this would be a full blown RBBC or that Tate would command a larger portion of the carries than logic probably dictated. However, I think it is foolish to assume Foster is out of the woods and will simply resume being the best running back in fantasy football. The real concern here is not that Tate is good enough to warrent anything more than a strict backup role (he isn't...at least not with a player as good as Foster in front of him). The true concern is that the Texans are shaping up to be a good team and should be contending for a playoff spot. IF Foster aggravates his hamstring for a THIRD time this season, I would not at all be surprised to see Kubiak increase Tate's in-game reps in a simple effort to ensure his 2nd best offensive weapon (or best offensive weapon, depending on your view of Foster and Andre) stays healthy for the critical stretch run. I do believe that it would take another aggravation for this to occur, but I hardly think it is out of the realm of possibility and certainly something that should temper some of the enthusiasm for Foster owners.
 
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Is this where the sanctimonious Foster owners congregate to proclaim him incapable of being reinjured and on his way to single season rushing and scoring records?
Please find me the quotes that back up this ridiculous statement.Tate owners... so predictable.
 
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If Foster had played in the New Orleans loss, Houston would not have kicked 4 field goals and would have won. Yes Foster is that much better than Tate and Tate looks good. The only thing that will stop Foster from leading the league in yards is injury.

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on Monday Night Countdown that the Texans believe Andre Johnson's hamstring injury will not keep him out long term.

Schefter confirmed that Johnson probably won't play in Week 5 against the Raiders, but the team hasn't yet ruled him out, and the injury isn't season-threatening as may have been initially feared. In other words, it sounds like a "week-to-week" situation. Just keep in mind that the Texans are still awaiting a second opinion on the hamstring injury. Coach Gary Kubiak suggested Monday that the Texans will "lean on" Arian Foster until Johnson gets back. Oct 3 - 7:09 PM

 

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