rizzler
Footballguy
Coach speak for a 50/50 timeshare w/Tate
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Where are the Ben Tate Lovers now? (1 Viewer)
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gethugefast1
Footballguy
Coach speak for a 50/50 timeshare w/Tate
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
I give this post a badabing
rizzler
Footballguy
aaaaaaaaaaaaand the dagger
In his postgame press conference, Kubiak said he was surprised to see Foster handle 30 carries in his first game back from injury. He said Monday that he went into the game thinking Foster would get 20-25 carries. “We would’ve thought that would’ve been a heck of a first time out,”
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In his postgame press conference, Kubiak said he was surprised to see Foster handle 30 carries in his first game back from injury. He said Monday that he went into the game thinking Foster would get 20-25 carries. “We would’ve thought that would’ve been a heck of a first time out,”
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I'd take 20-25 carries. He only had more then 25 carries 4 times last season, each of those games he rushed for over 120. 10 games he was 20 or under.
rizzler
Footballguy
???The point is, for those who are still under the impression that Tate somehow earned a timeshare with Foster, that they were dead wrong.
That is unless Tate was slated for 20-25 carries as well.
Ah thought you meant dagger for Foster. People were writing Foster off this past weekend because he would be limited to 20-25 carries. Thought that was funny. I read too many "expert" blogs sheesh.
rizzler
Footballguy
Because they're Tate owners, or playing vs Foster.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
Speaking as a owner who picked up Slaton when he became RB1 out of WW and Drafted Foster in his breakout year, I was hoping that Tate on my bench would be the "really!!?! again?" RB from the Texans this year, but after 3 weeks we saw his great chances destroyed by his lack of red zone production. If tate owner still think they have a winning horse after an insane 155 yard game by Foster, than accept the fact that now Tate is in the same situation as Foster beginning of the season, except he is not Foster.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Tate was never going to take over, but he will get carries, and he can do some production with 12 to 15 of them, Kub's not gonna have Foster carrying the rock 30 times a game. 22/13 sounds about right, get you some RB2/3 numbers with potential for Foster injury upside, not bad for an 11th round pick.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
12-13 times? maybe... but not in the red zone so what's the point? I could see your POV in a 18 team league with flex, I suppose 6-8 points could make a difference.
footballnerd
Footballguy
the hate is strong in this one, depends on the match up dude. its okay man, Tate didn't force you to make that pick and put a damper on your first 3 weeks.Tanner9919
Footballguy
Tate is the lottery ticket who'll produce rb3 numbers most of the season.. if Foster gets hurt again.... 
for now, he's stash for dynasty leagues and bye week filler material
for now, he's stash for dynasty leagues and bye week filler material
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Groundpounder
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I'm just not getting the fascination with Ben Tate. I think anyone that knows football and has actually watched the games he's played in and the games foster has played in has a full understanding of the fact that they are two different backs. Foster is an elite talent. Not because of the numbers he puts up. You can simply tell this from watching him run. He is head and shoulders above Tate. Tate is a nice back. So is Ahmad Bradshaw. So is Jonathon Stewart. He's not on Foster's level. He will get carries when healthy. He will most likely produce nice numbers but he will never take any more carries away from Foster than any other mediocre back would. I don't care who the coach is and what ties he has to Denver. If there is an elite back on your roster he gets 20+ carries a game, every game, no matter what. If he doesn't, you are putting your team at a severe disadvantage.
Hue G
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For everyone saying that Foster is considerably more talented than Tate consider this, Tate beat out Foster for the starting job last season until he was injured for the year. Also, Foster's and Tate's YPC so far this season is exactly the same. I really believe that this is a situation where between Houston's system, their offensive line, and the fact that they have a very dangerous threat in the passing game would be a very favorable situation for any RB who has a decent amount of talent. I really don't believe than Foster is this uber-.talent that some people are claiming, of course he's a good back but for me I still think it's too early to call him great. It would be one thing if he was an unsigned guy out of a small school that people overlooked but he played for Tennessee, it's pretty hard to hide and uber-talent there. Also, I realize Foster getting 155 yards vs Pittsburgh looks impressive and getting 155 rushing yards against any NFL team is impressive but the Steeler's D is allowing an average of 119 yards per game and they've played Indy and Seattle already two of the worst offenses and running teams in the league. Tate was never given 30 carries in one game but if he was I'm pretty sure he would have reached or even surpassed 155 yards after seeing what he did with a less amount of carries.
We Tigers
Footballguy
Tate never won the starting job; that's an oft-repeated canard. Again, go watch the highlights of things like Foster's 42-yard TD run. Tate has excellent straight ahead skills, but Foster is quick, nasty, and exploits that great Houston blocking better than anyone else ever has. A decent player in that system looks like Slaton; a very good player in that system looks like Foster.Regarding contracts: Foster is in his 3rd season and will be an RFA. Tate is in the second year of his rookie deal and should be a Texan for a while. I'm not sure how his missed 2010 counts against RFA requirements for years of service, which I believe still exist in the new CBA. Both guys will be in Houston for at least another season, and I tend to think Foster will have earned an extension if Kubiak gets this team to the playoffs, finally.
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rizzler
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So very false.ps: Foster named the AFC Offensive Player of the Week.
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A couple people have already said it, but it is completely false to say that Tate was beating Foster for the starting job prior to his injury last season. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite was true- when both were healthy and in camp, Foster was outplaying Tate and was being viewed as the starter by Kubiak. All Tate's injury did was blow the door of opportunity open for Foster to start without having to look over his shoulder. Had Tate not gotten injured, Foster would still have started, he just would have had to worry about losing his job at the first sign of trouble.As it pertains to their YPC on the season, I think you need to essentially throw out Foster's stats -vs- Miami at this point. It is very clear he was not fully healthy and was not yet back to the player he normally is (again all of this is evident if you actually watch the games).This thread is virtually pointless at this time, by the way. Tate's only value now lies in the potential for Foster to injure himself again. Tate will not be a usable fantasy football commodity until that happens. Anyone believing that Tate will receive 10-15 carries per game without a Foster injury is BADLY misreading the situation. In order for Tate to receive that volume of carries, the Texans would need to be averaging anywhere from 30-40 rushing attempts per game because Foster will see roughly 20 carries a week. Going back 3 seasons, the Texans have averaged 26.4, 26.5, and 27.0 rushing attempts per game. Anyone that has watched the Kubiak coached Texans knows that 35 rushing attempts per game is simply not going to happen on a regular basis.Ben Tate is a hold in redraft due to the chance that Foster could have his hamstring flare up again and because you won't get much for him in a trade now (the time to trade him was 2-3 weeks ago). In a keeper or dynasty, Tate is also a very good hold because there is still a real possibility that Foster won't return to Houston because he will ask for too much money, meaning Tate could be in line to be the starting running back in one of the best running offenses in the league.
Groundpounder
Footballguy
I was just about to type this post pretty much word for word. It's like I have my own personal transcriptionist. Keep up the good work. It's almost Christmas bonus time.'Herm23 said:
GregR
Footballguy
Tate was third on the depth chart at the time of his injury. From another thread:'Hue G said:
The league has had lots of great players who played at big time schools but weren't recognized until they got into the NFL. Terrell Davis, 6th round pick out of Georgia being one obvious example that fits the situation pretty closely.
Tate took a handoff through a huge hole. No one had a real chance to get him until 17 yards upfield. He tried to elude the defender, but he grabbed Tate with one arm up high and pulled him down.In that same exact situation, if you watch both of them run and note their strengths, Foster is probably more likely to make the guy miss completely. If he'd still managed the one arm on Foster, few people bring down Foster with one hand unless they trip his legs. In other words, same situation, Foster would have been more likely to take that 20 yard gain and turn it into a 70 yard TD than Tate was.
That's the difference between them. It showed in the TD run Foster did have. Tate has had a lot of similar plays to that, but hasn't shown the ability to change directions that severely to get to the daylight that Foster did.
That's all before we even start talking about what they are capable of in the passing game, where Tate hasn't shown any ability in 3 games so far.
Shutout
Footballguy
It's a bias a lot of people have against Foster. For whatever reason they just simply can not get over the fact that they didn't see what was happening in '09 when a few people were suggesting that people stash Foster at the end of the year. And they can't believe they didn't see it last year when he was emerging. And they still can't wrap their head around the idea that a guy that wasn't highly touted like Mathews or Moreno or Bush or someone when they came out could actually be this impactful in FF. And because he stung them so bad, they try to make up for it THIS year by trying to make the world believe that Tate will "pip" the guy that pipped them last year. In short, its like someone said a few weeks ago in that they are trying to cover their mistake last year by introducing a new one this year. And I'm so glad a good number of people jumped on that "Tate beat foster out last year". I have been playing whack-a-mole with that for months; seems like A LOT of people like to state that and it is completely and uterly false.'Groundpounder said:
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
I'm 4-0 in both leagues I play, he helped when SJAX was on the bench due to injury, so I don't hate him at all, and just simply stating a fact. IMO he is a bit useless right now when Foster is health, there are other better options at Flex, especially in PPR.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Keep in mind that Tate is basically a rookie in terms of experience.I think his game will get better.'Groundpounder said:
This is a tremendous point and one of the reasons to consider selling Foster next off-season in dynasty or keeper formats. While I have no concern whatsoever with Foster's workload or position as the dominant running back on the Texans this season, because of the fact that Tate is a young player and in only his first real NFL season (because of injury), there is a good chance he will improve enough to start warranting enough carries to steal value from Foster next year. You should be able to get as much (if not more) for Foster next off-season than you can right now, meaning there is no immediate reason to move him, but his value may indeed peak at the conclusion of this season. I'm not exactly saying Foster's value will fall off the cliff next year, but if he falls to somewhere in the RB8 to RB10 range next season (which would still leave him very valuable) and you can get RB1 to RB5 value for him in a trade in the off-season, it would behoove you to make the deal. For what it's worth, I think the same logic can be applied to Adrian Peterson to some extent, although I have been significantly less impressed with Toby Gerhart than I have Ben Tate and I think Peterson is significantly more talented than Arian Foster (and every other running back in the NFL, for that matter), even if he is a few years older.As a Foster and Tate owner in a few dynasty leagues, this is something I have been considering and will have to decide on next off-season. Nothing would be worse than to be stuck holding Foster AND Tate while some form of a timeshare develops in 2012 that kills both players value.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Have 2 $$$ leagues, in one i had Foster in the other i had Tate. i traded Tate in a 4-player trade for Foster...
Now, in bothe leagues i'm waiting, because of bye-weeks, for Tate owners to drop him on the waivers...
i'll give it weeks 5 & 6, if i can't get him off waivers, i shal be persuasive in a deal.
Now, in bothe leagues i'm waiting, because of bye-weeks, for Tate owners to drop him on the waivers...
i'll give it weeks 5 & 6, if i can't get him off waivers, i shal be persuasive in a deal.
drbrainfreeze
Footballguy
All the Tate lovers are hiding. I wonder if the Tate owner i offered McGahee to a few weeks ago regrets not trading him..
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I'd take Tate over CJ
Irish Chaos
Footballguy
?? 100 yards for tate....
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
yeah, keep phishing
Cyclones
Footballguy
244 and 3 TDs for Foster. Sounds like a full on timeshare to me.......
Has anyone looked at the Texans playoff schedule?
Week 14 - Bengals who Chris Johnson ran well on
Week 15 - Panthers, could see lot of runs to control clock
Week 16 - Colt, don't need to elaborate
I could see Tate getting a good share of the carries here especially in week 16.
Week 14 - Bengals who Chris Johnson ran well on
Week 15 - Panthers, could see lot of runs to control clock
Week 16 - Colt, don't need to elaborate
I could see Tate getting a good share of the carries here especially in week 16.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He has value even it Foster plays. He's also obviously got bananas value if Foster gets hurt.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Imagine using this justification a year ago.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
The Tate hate in this thread is absolutely unbearable. You people...you people. I realize most of it is from October but jeez... Hes only 30 yards behind foster on about 50 less carries.
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Obnoxious
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Obnoxious244 and 3 TDs for Foster. Sounds like a full on timeshare to me.......
rizzler
Footballguy
+ 300 receiving yds and 4tds less as well.Tate has insane value as a handcuff. Tate has good value as a flex. And depending on HOU's record, may have serious value come FF Playoff time.It's not Tate hate in here. The major argument, which has already been proven, is that this is not a "timeshare". End.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
And yet Foster - CLE 19 124 1 7 5 26 0 21.0Tate -9 CLE 12 115 1 1 0 0 0 17.5
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Why is this thread still on the first page? Tate is a good back up to Foster.
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rizzler
Footballguy
Because we are 9 weeks deep, and people STILL somehow believe this is or will be a timeshare. If you only own Tate, your opinion on the situation automatically becomes null and void.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I'm a Foster owner and seriously considering making an offer to get Tate. I'll have to give up a good bit of value, some of it potentially coming from my starting lineup, but the safety net that provides with the playoffs getting closer is getting more and more appealing.
rizzler
Footballguy
As you should.Ive stated repeatedly that Tate has great value under more than one scenario. FF Playoffs is one of them, especially if they have the division wrapped up. They'll likely still play for the bye week, but Tate might see plenty of late game action. On the whole though, Foster is the Papa Bear. Tate will be an expensive buy
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Because over half the threads on here can be summed up like this:A) My player had a great week. See! I told you he was good!
B) Your player had a bad week. See! I told you he wasn't good!
C) Which players had a good week and therefore should be claimed off the waiver wire?
D) Which players had a bad week and therefore should be dropped to the waiver wire?
The Comedian
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